Klipsch battle of the biggest and baddest - Klipschorn VS Jubilee
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Paducah Home Theater / PHT TV - Ep. 28 - Klipschorn VS Jubilee
"You think you know what to expect when you hear a K-horn...and you flip over to the Jubilee...and you're surprised because you don't expect to hear that next level."
"If aesthetics are out the window and you just want the biggest baddest mofo speaker you can get your hands on.."
Time to check out the biggest and baddest there is. We have put every other model in the Heritage line up to the test at this point. Now it is time to put the big boys up against eachother. The Flagship model, and the would-be flagship that never officially made it to the consumer market. The Jubilee was initially intended to be a new K-Horn and take it back into a 2 way design but, when it actually came to fruition, it became a whole new beast and thus - the Jubilee was born.
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@drde4010 Жыл бұрын
I think the Klipschorn sounds much nicer. I think that was the end game speaker for Klipsch really. The Jubilee has a muddy, muffled top end by comparison. When you listen to this video with headsets and the Jubilee goes on, all the openness, air and top end in the music vanishes. Maybe the oversized diaphragm in the Jubilee is the reason. Great video!
@TopShelfAudio Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! You should check both out in room if you ever get the opportunity. These videos dont do either justice. And one step further .the new jubs are perfection. I love the KH but man...I've never heard anything quite like the new Jubs. -Jason
@Book-Mark Жыл бұрын
@@TopShelfAudio Is it the placement of the recording mic. the jubilee being a taler speaker? They sounded muffled to me but I am sure they are not, so put it down to tweeter positioning relative to mic.? Great video, thank you.
@TimpBizkit 7 ай бұрын
I'll bet the Jubilee horn is fairly directional in the very top end.
@nebulusnebulus6503 3 жыл бұрын
What I love about the entire Klipsch Heritage speaker range is that you just have to choose which speaker model you want to install in your living room and then tell your partner that you want to install the next largest in the Klipsch ladder. Then your partner will tell you: Look, that speaker is too big and bulky for our living room, why don't you buy the next smallest model in the catalog? That's why Paul envisioned the Jubilees. They are for those of us who dream of installing a K-horn. You tell your partner that you are going to install a Jubilee and the K-Horn seem even small next to the K-Horn. And I would say the same of the La Scala with respect to the K-Horn.
@TopShelfAudio 3 жыл бұрын
I believe Klipschorns are a "compromise" anyone could be happy with!
@peteleoni9665 Жыл бұрын
My woman could phone me from the motel she lives in after she told me "It's either those Khorn speakers or me" And Mr. Bose is welcome to join her (-:
@tarquineous 2 ай бұрын
I'll have to listen to the La Scala's in person .Those would fit my room best. They sound great on KZfaq demonstrations.
@tommagnum6302 3 жыл бұрын
I love the Klipsch speakers. I owned every brand out there from B&W 802s to Magneplanar 20.1 and each had its attractions and delights. I own now the Klipsch LaScala and I love them. I run them with Conrad Johnson tube preamp and tube amplifier. You guys have no idea how awesome they are until you run them with tubes. K horns are more majestic sounding. Low power tube amplification for Klipsch speakers. They are so efficient. 105 dbs with one watt of power.
@TopShelfAudio 3 жыл бұрын
I have a 6 watt tube amp that I enjoy for the most part, but at the same time I'm a bass head, and it just can't keep up. We have some 14 watt English Acoustic amps with hand wound transformers en route, excited to try those out. -- Cory
@TimpBizkit 6 ай бұрын
@PaducahHomeTheaterTV active crossover, tube on the tweeters and beefy solid state amp on the woofers?
@larryboles629 2 жыл бұрын
OUTSTANDING FANTASTIC EPIC !!!! Wonderful video guys. Thank you. Be happy, be safe
@TopShelfAudio 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! -Jason
@Ladco77 3 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a 3 way comparison with the RP-8000, RF-7 III, and Forte IV. It'd be great to see how top end Reference Premiere vs RF-7 III vs Heritage compare. If someone is considering the jump up from RP, do they go with RF-7 III or make the plunge into Heritage?
@TopShelfAudio 3 жыл бұрын
We will be getting some RF7s and some 8000s to play with here shortly. Not sure if we will do a 3 way side by side but maybe 2 separate videos of one on one battles. Stay Tuned!
@grantbrown8047 2 жыл бұрын
MUCH aPPRECIATED !
@TopShelfAudio 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! -Jason
@sy247 Жыл бұрын
I'm using Klipsch Jubilees with a Sansui AU-111 valve amp with passive crossovers. I experimented with an active crossover with valves on the tops and a solid state MC2 amp on the mid/bass but I prefer the passive crossover by far. They are amazing speakers and paired with the Sansui it's a system that can communicate incredible emotion in music
@TopShelfAudio Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and for your input! Glad you are enjoying your system. -Jason
@johto 3 жыл бұрын
Cool stuff ! 👍
@TopShelfAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@RollinRagu Жыл бұрын
I have a pair of '76 Khorns. I find that a very tight seal in the corner makes a difference. For this demo, you do not have them in the corner really. I'm confident you lost potential extension and output in the LF range. I also wonder with the angle of the top hat not being 45 degrees, how that effects imaging? My LF bins are tight, including pipe insulation. But since my LP is 22' back, I have wondered about rotating the top hat so the axis crosses at the LP instead of well in front of me? I do run mine crossed to subs. Bliss. Always enjoy the videos....wish I had some local buddies to do the same with. Thanks.
@TopShelfAudio Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! There is a huge difference between the older gen KH and the New ones. The new ones are designed to give a bit more flexibility in placement and allow them to be pulled slightly from the corner. That said, I still absolutely recommend getting as tight into that corner as possible for home use and never recommend putting them in the middle of a room or anything...but they are significantly less effected by this than older gens. The issue we had here was with the Jubs being so much larger, it was interfering/blocking the KH. As we couldnt get the jubs back any further, our only option was to pull the KH a bit. Ideally, you would never have such large speakers in the same room but, for side by side testing, it's a necessary evil and we tried to make the compare as fair as possible. -Jason
@samo8204 3 жыл бұрын
I THOUGHT I knew about Klipsch. I'm learning I didn't/ don't know as much as I thought. Thanks guys!
@TopShelfAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Our pleasure! As the tag line says: Here to help :)
@bchboy1206 3 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed that a lot! In the 80s my friend had a pair of Khorns and I have wanted some ever since! How are they for home theater?
@treycannon2275 3 жыл бұрын
funny thing about electrons....you can't tell move electrons from music electrons. so the speakers won't care.... They work better than most.
@TopShelfAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Trey. They work great in home theater as well.
@sum2automation 2 жыл бұрын
Klipsch are my pick, awesome speakers but they are always yelling at me... lol. I had khorns 45 year's ago, my ears are now to old tell the difference anyways, but I still run Klipsch but don't chase the HiFi extreme anymore... Nice sharing, thanks!
@TopShelfAudio 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! Happy to hear you are still enjoying your Klipsch! -Jason
@nomorokay 2 жыл бұрын
In regards to speaker height, a "rule" that you often hear is that the tweeter should be at ear height when you're seated in your listening position. I've tried this, and to me it makes it sound like the musicians are seated, too. That's not bad for acoustic folk or chamber music, where you might be seated a short distance from seated musicians. However, we usually hear music with the singer/band on a stage that's above us with the musicians standing, so that we're looking up at them. My main L/R speakers are 402 Jubscala IIs, which are La Scala IIs with Jubilee tweeters sitting on top of them. The size and shape of the speakers is much like a pair of washing machines with 40" flat-screen TVs sitting on top of them. With the tall bases that I made to support the K402 horns w/K-691 tweeter drivers, the total height of the speakers is 67"/170 cm. This gives the effect of being in the first few rows at a big concert, looking up at the stage, which seems right, since the musicians are normally standing during a concert. Some "rules" should just be taken as guidelines or starting points, not iron laws. Every room is different and every listener is different. This applies to speakers, too, of course. Experiment, and you'll find what you really like, and what the speakers seem to "like" best as well.
@TopShelfAudio 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching. This hobby is all about experimentation and finding what you enjoy the most. positioning (both for the speaker and for the listener) certainly comes in to play a great deal, as it would in a live show. We always recommend experimenting with your setup. That's half the fun. :) -Jason
@TimpBizkit 6 ай бұрын
I have speakers on tall stands pointing down. They work well for a "dancefloor" near them and a bed at the back I sit on. If you are sitting reclined you get the best treble anyway looking up at them. My TV is quite low in comparison.
@margaretclark7629 3 жыл бұрын
Could you guys give us some info on the excellent sounding Bigger speakers the Klipsch kpt456? If you can get a hold of a pair.
@TopShelfAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Not sure what you're asking but those 456's are discontinued. I have plenty of other large ones including the KPT-942 with four 15's and the same 402 horn as a Jubilee if you need any info on current ones.
@philipketchum1407 3 жыл бұрын
How much effected is the bass on the K-Horns with the Jubilees setting between them? Isn’t that blocking part of the bass output of the K-Horns?
@TopShelfAudio 3 жыл бұрын
The K-horns being in the pocket between the wall and that huge marble fireplace actually boost the response somehow. If anything is going to negatively affect K horn bass response in this room I'd say it's the suckout in the middle of the room, we had to move the couch back more than what you would naturally do when setting up furniture to get away from it. The bass from the Jubilees is more directional and wouldn't be affected in quite the same manner. -- Cory
@philipketchum1407 3 жыл бұрын
@@TopShelfAudio makes perfect sense
@lilah66 2 ай бұрын
I have experimented with my Khorns using a minidsp4x10 for correcting the phase problem because the bass mid and treble have to travel different distances due to the throat length of the different horns. I kept the crossover points and slope of the original crossovers but I dialed in the delay times for the mids and bass bins. The image snaps into focus so well that it makes the hair on my ams stand up. A friend with Apogee Divas could not believe he was listening to Klipschorns. I am using four McIntosh Mc30 and two Mc275 bridged. Another friend that is a concert pianist stopped by while I was playing a BluRay disc of Martha Argerich and Daniel Barenboim in concert on a 12' screen and he was floored by the sound. Not bad for a speaker that was designed 75 years ago.
@artyfhartie2269 7 ай бұрын
Like listening to two friends talking. I like it
@metalrazor79 2 жыл бұрын
Greetings my friends, excellent video. Personally, I think that the Klipschorn are the best for metal music in all its variations, the bass can be improved by adding sub woofers. Greetings
@TopShelfAudio 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! The K-Horns are amazing options. I never leave disappointed after rocking out to some Klipschorns. :) -Jason
@mdr4670 3 жыл бұрын
How many and what size are woofers in Jubilee? What amps are used for each speaker? Thanks
@TopShelfAudio 3 жыл бұрын
There's two 12's in Jubilees. We were using the Cyrus Stereo 200 which I've grown to prefer for Jubilees. K horns were on a Parasound Halo JC5.
@mdr4670 3 жыл бұрын
@@TopShelfAudio Are the 12 inch woofers in Jubilee the same ones as in the Forte 4s or from the pro line or are they totally new woofers from Klipsch? I'm temporarily bedridden now and your series of Klipsch Heritage speakers is very entertaining.
@MuscleBN 3 жыл бұрын
Did the jubilee create Bass level output that u could actually feel? I LOVE the heritage series minus the bass output lacking under 40 cycles
@treycannon2275 3 жыл бұрын
La Scala, I agree...but it started as a PRO speaker...The Khorn is 105db @ 35Hz and about 100db @ 20Hz WITH 1 WATT! The Cornwall is 102db @34Hz and about 96db @ 20Hz. So I don't agree.
@MuscleBN 3 жыл бұрын
The question was can u feel the bass output?..the Cornwall are very strong in the mid bass, but lack the last octave..Trey, I'm sure u realize that u can NOT go by speaker specs..because the reality of associated equipment and listening room environment can totally make the written spec meaningless in REAL listening world and the specs u quote are not indicative of real listening levels either, given the ultra efficiency of klipsch
@TopShelfAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Jubilees can easily get to that point. I think the consensus is that you start actually feeling the bass over about 100 db. I've had Jubilees sustaining 124 db with Metallica before. It was probably higher but my microphone was clipping. With electronic music and test tones I've had the bass high enough that it feels funny to breathe, like your breath is partially taking away, feels very strange, and that goes well beyond just feeling it on your butt when you sit in the chair or whatever. That being said, was it that loud with this session? I don't think it was no but it's pretty easy to do. Also worth noting is that the tactile sensation is typically associated with higher frequencies. Your kick drum frequencies around 60-70 hz is most often what gives you the "kick you in the solar plexus" feeling like at a concert, it's not 25-30 hz doing that. Your Cornwalls should be able to get to that point if they're set up right. -- Cory
@josuesantiago723 2 жыл бұрын
What amplifiers are you using for both klipsch.
@TopShelfAudio 2 жыл бұрын
We were using the Cyrus Stereo 200 amps in this video. -Jason
@Dr_Xyzt 3 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, Trey in the house! If it weren't for him, I'd never be into Klipsch. Changed my life, man! How does the Jubilee compare to an RF7-ii? It seems Fortssimo below 250hz. To me, the 7's sound like good headphones, mixed with how you remember the song. I love them very much. Hours a day. I'm moving to a new state and will have a bigger living room. So, Heritage Klipsch are an option now...
@TopShelfAudio 3 жыл бұрын
>> "How does the Jubilee compare to an RF7-ii?" Well I hate to say it but it's just not even same ballpark really. Not sure where to start. If you have specific questions I can answer them but realistically speaking they are entirely different.
@Dr_Xyzt 3 жыл бұрын
@@TopShelfAudio That's effectively what I wanted to hear. If my RF7's are a gunboat, then Jubilee is a nuclear submarine, and the KPT MCM's are like a UFO. -- The RF7's are the first amazing speaker I ever had. Before that, I had a $200 surround sound. I mean, my RF7's have better high frequency performance than the local theaters. So, I'm very hesitant to make a change from them.
@Asheface11 2 жыл бұрын
I haven't owned or heard Jubilee's, but I have and still own RF7 ii's and love them still. I also own la scala's and the biggest difference between the reference line and the heritage line in my opinion is that they're meant for different types of listening. Heritage speakers project their sound effortlessly around the room in a very refined way. There almost isn't a "bad seat in the house" with a good set of heritage speakers. Reference speakers are more in your face, and they love to be cranked up loud with your favorite hard rock...but they don't quite fill the room unless played really loud, and even then, the bass kinda falls off, and like the la scala's, need a good sub to pair with, but more because they just can't fill a space like the la scala's/heritage speakers can. The la scala's also aren't that great for cranking and rocking out, but more refined to listen at a good level, not too loud, but fill the room with everything they've got. They're more for fans of good clean recordings of live music in a 2 channel setup. I have however found a great balance of both worlds by utilizing multi channel stereo utilizing an awesome center channel RC-6 iii. I accidentally switched my stereo setting to all channels one day and was listening and thought that somehow the la scala's just sounded better...turns out they had the assistance of my center channel. In the end, I think if you're looking for 1 set of end all be all speakers, you probably won't find them if you love a wide variety of music like I do. But with combining, tinkering, and tweaking multiple types of speakers paired with really good sub(s) (I run a pair of 120-THX woofers) and you will find your personal sound nirvana.
@Ladco77 3 жыл бұрын
How about a side-by-side comparison with the Pro Jubilee and Heritage Jubilee?
@TopShelfAudio 3 жыл бұрын
maybe when they're out, which will be late this fall maybe early winter. -- Cory
@harbinger8083 3 жыл бұрын
All I know is if I had the 14K I’d buy those Jubilees now. After Cory told me what he Heritage Jubs will cost and Klipsch discontinuing the Pro Jubs :( Now I’ll never be able to afford a pair
@twobeer3316 3 жыл бұрын
@@harbinger8083 15K, and you come pick them up...Lol
@normanseitzjr2702 2 жыл бұрын
Definatly need a huge room for both of them speakers, but they both sound awesome
@TopShelfAudio 2 жыл бұрын
^^ This guy speaks the truth! ^^ Couldn't agree more. -Jason
@daveycrockett5738 3 жыл бұрын
Wow those two sound so different. Can’t tell which one I like more but the khorn is much more shouty for sure.
@TopShelfAudio 3 жыл бұрын
They are so different but have so many similarities as well. If you ever get the chance to hear them in person, do it! amazing experience.
@daveycrockett5738 3 жыл бұрын
@@TopShelfAudio will do for sure
@john34199143 Жыл бұрын
It would be great even to know how the speakers are driven (amplifier and so)
@TopShelfAudio Жыл бұрын
This was kinda meant to be a continuation to the previous episode where we unboxed and setup the jubilees. Looks like we forgot to mention in this video what we were using. sorry about that. Both are being powered by the Cyrus Stereo 200. -Jason
@michaelmurgolo1561 3 жыл бұрын
Will you be doing a Pro Jubilee vs. Heritage Jubilee video once the Heritage ones are released?
@TopShelfAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Possibly. The new ones may all be sold by then but I should still have the original prototypes at that point. No plans to get rid of those.
@cdawg9149 2 жыл бұрын
I have a pair of Cornerhorns that I have owned since 1982. The efficiency of the speakers is bar none. Back then Digital was just coming to fruition. The first Sony CD player cost just under 1k. So the records seemed to me back then way better sounding than the cd's are now. Occasionally I will get a cd that has a really good recording and sounds fantastic. But I never know what Im getting. So my point is the efficiency of the speakers bring out the bad in recordings as well as the good. Any way you know how to find really great recordings that are on CD's?
@TopShelfAudio 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! In your search for great recordings, I'd recommend joining forums and groups that share the same interests. The Klipsch owners facebook group is a great place to start and there are tons of other as well. -Jason
@tarquineous 3 ай бұрын
I would like to hear some results of fine tuning these speakers with components, cables and equalizers.
@TopShelfAudio 2 ай бұрын
Placement alone would be pretty big and room correction would be much more significant. Not much point in doing speaker comparisons if you're going to EQ them. That being said, if you want to buy some $36,000 jubilees from us, I'll hook them up to about whatever you want.
@bltodd578 2 жыл бұрын
Will the Klipsch Jubilee be a limited run before they discontinue it?
@TopShelfAudio 2 жыл бұрын
That ship's done sailed. They did a limited run a little while ago. I have the last ones. Currently I have one pair of walnut, one pair cherry, one pair black. They aren't making any more of this kind. We didn't exactly know about this decision when we were making the video. :) -- Cory
@bltodd578 2 жыл бұрын
@@TopShelfAudio Oh wow! Thank you for the info.
@larryboles629 Жыл бұрын
BY GAWD YOU BOYS ARE DOING IT RIGHT !! Be happy, be safe
@TopShelfAudio 6 ай бұрын
thanks man
@daveycrockett5738 3 жыл бұрын
Kind sirs please do a review of the rf7iii or please do some comparisons. Me personally when I bought my rf7iii from my certified heritage dealer I was buying them from I told them it’s mainly for music listening and they mentioned if so I should get something from the heritage line but I was apprehensive because I didn’t know basically anything about that line at that point in time and had more experience with the non heritage floor standing speaker but if I new more about them at that period of time I might have very well went that route instead. I absolutely love my rf7iii but would love to see what exactly you guys think about them and maybe even some comparison videos with them and some heritage speakers or maybe even different brands or just other klipsch floorstanding speakers like the rp8000f and so on. Also maybe the best ways to set them up or maybe some good equipment to pair them with and possibly even a video listening to the rc64iii and also how it sounds paired up with rf7iiis. This would be the most anticipated video for me.
@TopShelfAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Funny you should mention that. RF-7s, RC-64s, amps/recommended equipment to run all of these....all on the to-do list. Make sure you are subscribed and turn on your notifications because...pretty much everything you mentioned is on its way :)
@TopShelfAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Oh---and as a side note: RC-64 is a perfect match for the RF7s. Hit up Cory or Steven at Paducah Home Theater to get yours. You won't regret it. It's a game changer!!
@daveycrockett5738 3 жыл бұрын
@@TopShelfAudio already got them my friend and already subscribed.
@TopShelfAudio 3 жыл бұрын
@@daveycrockett5738 Good to hear! Hope you are loving the setup!
@barchetype6430 2 жыл бұрын
Is this the Jubilee with the Celestion Axi2050?
@TopShelfAudio 2 жыл бұрын
no the new ones aren't released yet -- Cory
@tantabi2531 2 жыл бұрын
Pair of Jbilee cost $35k, pair of La Scala cost $13k so if i were to buy 2 pairs of La Scala for $26k wouldn’t that be a better purchase than a pair of Jubilees? I am assuming with the 4 La Scalas i can cover a bigger room better but i am a novice what are your thoughts
@TopShelfAudio 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly I would say it depends on your use case. Yes, price point wise, you can get more speakers (quantity wise) for less. If you're doing a theater, you can do a full 5 channels of laScalas for the price point of the Jubs. That said, for 2 channel, there is no comparison of what you get out of a pair of Jubs. They cover a huge range, dig deeper and are just completely different beasts than the LaScalas. Don't get me wrong, I love the LaScalas. They are amazing. but the Jubs are just next level. -Jason
@servehim1746 Жыл бұрын
Can you guys set up this experiment with a couple good mics about where your ears are located on the couch? The sound from the video doesn't doe either justice.
@TopShelfAudio Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! We have since updated our recording techniques but not sure we will be able to recreate this compare specifically. If/when we do the KH vs new Jub we will utilize the new setup. -Jason
@MrVairhead 5 ай бұрын
Did you use the klipsch DSP for the jubilee?
@TopShelfAudio 5 ай бұрын
these are the old Jubilees, aka the "underground" ones. The new ones in the Heritage line with the Klipsch DSP is different.
@sebastianejlertsen3118 3 жыл бұрын
You could maybe talk and advice on amps? I’m lost on receivers and amps. I just buy them and hope they will be fine lol. I have seen Crown amps with 2000 and more watts of power in 4 ohm at a low price, but big amps which cost 3,000-5,000 and they only take 200-300 watts in 4 ohm. Don’t know what to go with. Can you make a video explaining the difference between receivers and amps and which to go for?
@TopShelfAudio 3 жыл бұрын
yeah we'll try to get to something like that eventually
@sebastianejlertsen3118 3 жыл бұрын
@@TopShelfAudio Thank you! Great video. Keep doing what you’re doing!
@johnlepkowski3831 3 жыл бұрын
20 watts is more than enough for k horn. Many folks will run with tube amps under 10 watt. Horns are very efficient and don’t keep much power
@lilah66 5 ай бұрын
I am on my third pair of Khorns. The first two were in the 70's then 80's. I ran them with the most godawful amps possible. A Marantz240 then a phaseLinear700b. I use Infinity IRS Betas for music and bought a pair of KB-WO with black grills for optical soundtrack movies.. My first two were KC-BR. Now that I am 68 and my brain is fully developed I am using a pair of McIntosh Mc30 mono amps. I bought the Klipsch for video use with a 12' screen. I can't fit or afford Western Electric horns so Klipsch it is. Paul was right in saying "what the world needs is a good 10 watt amp". I find myself listening to the Klipschorns for music. They sound that good. And I find the B series one of the best looking speakers ever made.
@aaronharrison7729 2 жыл бұрын
I had to laugh when they said Paul didnt factor in wife exceptence for Jubilee. I worked for a pawnshop in Arkansas, and we bought a pair of vintage K Horns at an estate sale. When we listed them for sale, Mrs. Paul Klipsch responded to our listing. When she arived to see the speakers, we hooked them up to an amp and let her listen to them. She asked me to turn them up so i did..... then she says no! All the way up so i did..... she said isnt that wonderful. I will never forget that moment.
@TopShelfAudio 2 жыл бұрын
That's a great story! Can picture it every step of the way too! -Jason
@josuesantiago723 3 жыл бұрын
when are the new Jubliee's coming out
@TopShelfAudio 3 жыл бұрын
probably close to the end of the year. I expect late fall but who knows, with covid everything keeps changing.
@TimpBizkit 7 ай бұрын
What do they sound like on something like Diva by Darius Syrossian?
@TopShelfAudio 6 ай бұрын
would be a stupid amount of bass for sure. It's somewhat of a waste to feed a $40,000 system something like that in my opinion but I'm sure somebody likes it.
@TimpBizkit 6 ай бұрын
@PaducahHomeTheaterTV that's the thing with electronic music is you have no reference if you're trying to see how well your speakers replicate real instruments. It's more music for a "power" system than a truly high fidelity. It does show you what the bass section can do well.
@richh650 6 ай бұрын
The Jubilee's do not sound like posted here. They have much more life than this recording illustrates. I'm not sure where your mic is placed or what kind of mic you are using, but the Jubilees while not as hot as the K-horns, definitely are not as subdued in the mids and treble as your mic appears to show. Can you explain where your mic is located? The mic should be facing the speakers, maybe even in your sitting location for best results for the audience.
@plato801 2 ай бұрын
Love the KH
@bphilbac Жыл бұрын
Wow, that jubilee is a great sounding speaker!
@TopShelfAudio Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! They truly are! -Jason
@thehighend4545 2 жыл бұрын
Why dont you guys get some real microphones, recording foam boxes and a Focusrite to actually record the speaker voice correctly?
@TopShelfAudio 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! Honestly, we didn't do this because there is no way to replicate what we hear in the room over KZfaq and we would never claim to provide that for viewers. These are intended to be viewed for our thoughts and discussions and we would always recommend listening in a showroom prior to purchasing the speakers. All of that said, we will likely dedicate a mic to just the speaker over the next season, but even still, the above recommendation still stands true. There is no substitute for hearing them in person. -Jason
@timmotel5804 5 ай бұрын
2/2024: Please be more precise as to which speakers you are playing each time. and each time you switch speakers, let us know which ones we are listening to. Thanks
@bobking7347 2 жыл бұрын
Using the dsp on the k5s which isn't necessary like it is on the jubilee will change their sound signature greatly, if you were to run them flat and then use the dsp on the jubilee, it would be more of an accurate comparison. Still a nice video.
@TopShelfAudio 2 жыл бұрын
Eh, well, it would only change the sound signature if you tried to tune them to the room. We have never done this because that negates any attempts at a comparison. With a DSP you can make most any speaker sound however you want it to in terms of frequency response. That would be a completely meaningless comparison if you did that though. With the Jubilees we used the factory settings that were made and approved by Roy in the acoustic chamber. We did not change them due to the room. This is about the only way to get even close to a meaningful comparison, to use both in the same way that they were designed in the lab and chamber. -- Cory
@bobking7347 2 жыл бұрын
@@TopShelfAudio I see now, great video
@ferrelallan9575 2 жыл бұрын
How about doing some live recordings. 1.Outlaws- Green grass and high tides. 2 .Thin Lizzy- boys are bad in town 3. Jimi Hendrix- Johnny B. Good
@TopShelfAudio 2 жыл бұрын
We listen to quite a bit of these, as well as other items off camera but, can only use the ones we have permissions for in the final video we upload to KZfaq due to copyright restrictions. -Jason
@minazmorgul 2 жыл бұрын
If the Klipschorn has more bass it would be perfect. But more importantly, it would be perfect if I can afford them :D
@TopShelfAudio 2 жыл бұрын
Corner and overall placement is key for those guys. Also, budget as you mentioned of course lol. -Jason
@fabieneldridge3414 Жыл бұрын
The sound isn’t very good compared to other recordings. Your camera sound card doesn’t do a very good job. The recoils sound very weak ? I run K- Horns and Klipsch Belle’s , it’s a wall of sound. I’m a Klipsch Fan , Forever ! They rock with every kind of music !
@josephsee5435 3 жыл бұрын
Great comparison but I gotta say I didn't care for either speaker. J's were way too boomy and the KH's sounded totally anemic on the low end. Maybe KH's with a couple of good subs would be the sweet spot?
@TopShelfAudio 3 жыл бұрын
I don't know what's going on with the microphones but we never thought it was boomy in person. The Jubilees had factory settings where it was perfectly flat in the acoustic chamber. If anything I like to boost the bass a little from there. If it was equipment then the only explanation is that somebody hit the bass knob on the tone controls and I didn't realize it. Ironically these come with a programmable DSP, you can make them sound however you want. Not wanting Jubilees because they have too much bass shouldn't be a realistic thing. -- Cory
@DanielPerez-rp2oz 2 жыл бұрын
IDK if you could get all that from a KZfaq video. I own both and must say they both impress.
@josuesantiago723 3 жыл бұрын
I like the Klipschorn the music comes alive. I think the Jubilee needs a tweeter that can make the difference in the sound and on the highhats. Paul Klipsch loved his 3 way speakers.
@TopShelfAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Actually Paul's long term dream was to return the Klipschorn to a 2-way, which is why the Jubilee exists. The Klipschorn was originally a 2-way and was only changed due to limitations in driver technology at the time, it was simply a necessity at the time. Once the new generation of compression drivers were available in the early 90's, he went on a quest to get his 2-way Klipschorn. These were originally intended to be the Klipschorn's replacement and only after they were finished did he decide to make it a separate line. We will be releasing a Jubilee history video soon that explains all this. -- Cory
@josuesantiago723 3 жыл бұрын
Cory i am starting to like Jubilee. Thanks for the video. watching the video more and more the sound is hitting me more on the Jubilee. I don't know how much the price range on the Jubilee but hopefully i can own a pair.
@PrinceWesterburg 2 жыл бұрын
You shouldn't A/B between speakers - it works on KZfaq but in the room you're way better off listening to one pair with all sorts of music then switching to the other and all the differences will become apparent very quickly!
@TopShelfAudio Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your thoughts! With audio memory being so short, A/B is the way to find the subtle differences. When trying to find what you prefer in your home and not specifically call out differences, I would agree with you. -Jason
@dtr2058 3 жыл бұрын
We know Trey has La Scallas at home, what does Jason have?
@treycannon2275 3 жыл бұрын
Heresy III and a bunch of other stuff.
@TopShelfAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Jason: I was on Beta testing teams for Klipsch for quite a while so, my sets would swap out on a weekly basis. Would drive my wife nuts. lol. Currently though, my main setups are as Trey mentioned, HIIIs, as well as HD Wireless setups in my living room. My space is a bit of a pain so wireless was the only option that worked for me.
@elvincuevas1727 3 жыл бұрын
I am not sure I would buy Klipschorns over the Cornwalls; the Jubilee on the other hand if I had the space needed I think I would try to go with the Jubilee...
@TopShelfAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Make the room. You won't regret it :)
@dillonquackenbush3895 3 жыл бұрын
Could you guys cover some RP series products? Maybe like RP8000f vs RF 7iii. That may help people understand what they are getting stepping up. RP600c vs Rp404c vs 504c vs rc64 iii. This could show the benefits of going 2.5 way vs 2 way and then RP vs reference. Maybe a video on monopole vs bipole surrounds for people interested in rpxxx bookshelves or the 502s/402s. I don’t know haha. Just trying to offer ideas. No matter what I’ll be watching :D
@TopShelfAudio 3 жыл бұрын
We will try in the future, Heritage was my top priority and now we have Perlisten to do as well. RF-7III's are after that, plus some amplifiers. We will probably try some Reference Premier after that.
@dillonquackenbush3895 3 жыл бұрын
@@TopShelfAudio Awesome! I totally understand. Heritage is definitely the first priority since that’s where all the big guns are in the range. I’m stoked for Perlisten. Those drivers look awesome! I can’t wait to see what the future holds!
@MostlyBuicks 3 жыл бұрын
Huge difference on the Draekon track. K-Horn sounds harsher and congested. Jubilee sounds thicker and more boomy.
@TopShelfAudio 3 жыл бұрын
If you ever get the chance, listen in person. It's an entirely different experience :)
@perniciouspete4986 6 ай бұрын
I'd feel better about the comparison if the electromics were all the same.
@TopShelfAudio 5 ай бұрын
amps sound more similar than different, there isn't going to be a drastic difference.
@marxug1 3 жыл бұрын
It’s a shame you’ve done all these listening reviews without a decent center stereo mic.
@TopShelfAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Attempting to do serious listening of Jubilees even with that setup is like trying to appreciate Picasso based on a black and white Xerox copy of one. The low distortion and crazy imaging can't be duplicated. We try to encourage people to pay more attention to the commentary.
@marxug1 3 жыл бұрын
@@TopShelfAudio - For serious listening, I’d agree. But nobody is on KZfaq to do serious listening. I’ve seem other demos of speakers that sound halfway decent even at the end of the whole KZfaq/home system chain, achieved with just some elemental attention to miking. All I’m saying is that (especially) for A-B comparisons like yours, it could enhance your viewers’ experience significantly.
@yourendwastheroad 3 жыл бұрын
@@TopShelfAudio I love your commentary and I've learned a lot from you guys. I have to agree that better audio of the speaker listening/comparison experience would take things to the next level for y'all. I'll keep tuning in!
@treycannon2275 3 жыл бұрын
@@marxug1 ...Mark, I agree and we have talked about doing something like this...but I doubt the outcome would be worth the effort.
@boogerracing 11 ай бұрын
Maybe it’s the crappy Bluetooth speaker (Bose) I’m using, but I like the K-Horns better.
@TopShelfAudio 9 ай бұрын
at this point I do too.
@lbudt29 2 жыл бұрын
The KH sound more like a PA speakers, and J sound more ballanced and smoother. The KH belong behind an acoustic video screen in a movie theater.
@TopShelfAudio Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! Loved but units but the Jubs do take the win in my book. -Jason
@1mctous 3 жыл бұрын
The K-Horns extend farther in bass and treble but the Jubilee does everything else better. The midrange has an unrivaled presence and cohesion, probably because it has no treble crossover.
@treycannon2275 3 жыл бұрын
...the specs don't agree with you.
@1mctous 3 жыл бұрын
@@treycannon2275 Maybe true but specs never tell the whole story. DSP can radically alter the frequency and phase response but the speaker's innate qualities still come through.
@TopShelfAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Just keep in mind you're largely listening to the room and speaker position. Naturally speaking, with no crossover at all, no dsp or anything, the chart makes it look like K horns naturally extend a little lower, however with the DSP we boost it a little on the Jubilees, putting in a 5 db boost at 33 hz for home use, so realistically speaking the Jubilee should extend lower with this going on. With this particular demo, the way the K horns energize the room and both rear corners being open, the super low bass is strong as you get close to the back wall while the Jubilees are more directional and linear so I wouldn't go by the sound on this video to make that assessment as a general statement. -- Cory
@1mctous 3 жыл бұрын
@@TopShelfAudio Directional and linear is what I heard in your demo, a presentation I liked very much. I can't know for sure what the Jubilee's would sound like in the corners but the driver integration is really excellent. Thank you for your detailed and spirited responses. I'm glad we can be passionate without degrading into personal attacks.
@seanathair432 3 жыл бұрын
Khorns for the Win! Jubilees dont seem to have the midrange detail and presence of the Khorns
@TopShelfAudio 3 жыл бұрын
There are some things we found that we liked the KHorns better for. If you get the chance though, audition these in person. The Jubilees are pretty amazing!
@troyheffernan1261 2 жыл бұрын
I totally agree
@craigmorris4730 2 жыл бұрын
Same preamp output to both amps?????God damn what speaker is that playing?????? Sounded sonicsally superior to K Horns,,,YOU can tell the sound quality by the volume of the prsenters voices.You don't realize the increased music clarity makes it harder to talk to your buddy
@TopShelfAudio 2 жыл бұрын
There are for sure limits to doing this all on video. Check em out in person if ya have the chance! -Jason
@james542 Жыл бұрын
Although I listen to this through my cell phone I could hear how smooth the Jubilee's were compared to the K horns.
@MakerTools 2 жыл бұрын
Nice. Funny seeing two guys trying to get the most distortion free reproduction of distortion. Lol. Fun.)
@TopShelfAudio 2 жыл бұрын
Always a pleasure to listen to these. We listen to tons of other stuff off camera and our opinions are based on it all but, unfortunately what we show, is all we could use without issues with copyright infringement. :/ -Jason
@johnroberts4571 3 жыл бұрын
All of klipsh heritage speakers put out what ever you put in... crPpy recorded music will sound crappy or if u put good clean musicin to them u will get a live concert back out of them ..
@TopShelfAudio 3 жыл бұрын
^ truth
@nebulusnebulus6503 3 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a video with La Scala Bi-Amped. Highs and Mids with tubes class A mono amps and LF with solid state mosfets Class A mono amps. ¡Oh Yeah, baby!
@treycannon2275 3 жыл бұрын
IMHO that would be a waste of time. IF the amps on a bi-amp system are not the same then the balance of the speaker will be off. the balance is the sound of klipsch...you will change the sound. Some like this and that is fine. Bi-amp input are on speakers for marketing not engineering.
@TopShelfAudio 3 жыл бұрын
We take requests to a degree but, this is very specific. haha. We will see.
@mmakshak Жыл бұрын
Come on! On the first song, without any words to explain it, the Jubilee is far superior. Who knows why? There's a tonal difference between the two speakers. I don't think this is a fair comparison, although it's interesting. I think it would be better if you optimized each speaker in their own rooms, and compared it then(yes, I know how this would be criticized-aural memory, etc.).
@TopShelfAudio Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! There are several different ways to compare and we try to be as fair as possible. In this we wanted to keep them as close together as possible...keep them in the same room and keep as many of the components as possible identical. -Jason
@peterw6341 3 жыл бұрын
You guys like to talk a lot during the music. 😕 your room has a lot of echo too it sounds like it needs some sound dampening and/or diffusing. It also sounds like you just stuck microphones out in the middle of the room not actually where you’re sitting. I’m sure both of these speakers sound better than what your room and microphone set up are allowing. I’ve heard the K horns and I know that they can sound better.
@TopShelfAudio 3 жыл бұрын
The K horns actually sound quite nice in here at least in person. There is a need for treatments of course. Unfortunately this room is a little strange in that I can't simply hang cheap panels on the first reflection points and call it good, I'd be sealing off an entire adjacent room. We have partnered with Kinetics Noise Control and they're going to be doing a proper design to get it as good as possible. But otherwise yes what you're saying is the problem with these videos, here or otherwise... you're primarily listening to the room. Just the difference in positions alone of where the Jubilees are vs. where the K-horns are is pretty significant in terms of bass response so I wouldn't get too hung up on it. -- Cory
@peterw6341 3 жыл бұрын
@@TopShelfAudio I hear what you’re saying the room definitely looks like a challenge. I guess I’ve gotten spoiled listening to New Record Day on KZfaq he’s got a pretty good set up to demo speakers
@Roof_Pizza 2 жыл бұрын
One pair shouldn't be on the inside and one on the outside. Instant fail.
@TopShelfAudio 2 жыл бұрын
Did you watch the video? We explain this a little bit in. In every other video we alternate to give an equal soundstage to both, but the KH need corners. Priorities. Short of building faux corners, this is the best option available. -Jason
@socksumi Жыл бұрын
Terrible room acoustics. The uncarpeted floor reflects the sound all over the place... sounds like a train station.
@TopShelfAudio Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! -Jason
@margix1172 3 жыл бұрын
You should play good Music like DISCO-FUNK AND SOUL not crappy country and primitive metal
@TopShelfAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Everyone has their own opinion on what we should/shouldn't play based on their personal taste in music. We listen to an incredibly diverse range of music off camera, but are limited to tracks we have licenses for while on camera due to copyright restrictions. While you only hear a few tracks, our opinions and commentary are based on a wide variety. Feel free to donate the millions of dollars for licensing of whatever track you think would work best, and we'd be happy to put it on screen and test with it. Always open to more variety. ;)
@margix1172 3 жыл бұрын
@@TopShelfAudio Yes but metal is maybe the worst style in order to test equipments since they (metal records)really sounds very bad .If I wanna to check bass I would play some gino soccio....or chic....or jamiroquai...or change ....or earth wind and fire etc...
@ronlevine8873 2 жыл бұрын
Guys: please don't talk while we're trying to listen to the speakers!
@TopShelfAudio 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! These are primarily for the commentary as, with all of the compression of KZfaq, not having the ability to control the listeners system (typically phone), and so forth, it's impossible to get a real idea of what they sound like in the room. That said, we do try to keep it down in future videos. :) -Jason
@JAMESSmith-km2vu 3 жыл бұрын
No disrespect and I know everyone has an opinion but a lot of audio files plays these kinds of tracks and I would like to heat just some 70,80,rock, country for me.
@TopShelfAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! We play a loooot of music off camera before we come to our final conclusions. We are limited to what we can play on screen though, due to copyright restrictions.
@JAMESSmith-km2vu 3 жыл бұрын
@@TopShelfAudio I understand I’m really interested in Klipsch Cornwall 4 with a Macintosh ma352 what do y’all think?
@chonasimpson6487 2 жыл бұрын
Play some good music with vocals sax Frank Zappa . Not just modern country and congested modern three cord rock pop. try some Supertramp or music with harmonies.
@TopShelfAudio 2 жыл бұрын
It's a licensing issue, but thanks. -- Cory
@hendrix101010 2 жыл бұрын
Stop talking between the switch....
@TopShelfAudio 2 жыл бұрын
noted. -Jason
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