Klon Centaur & J Rockett Archer A/B comparison test

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Klon Centaur & J Rockett Archer A/B comparison test - Tones For Tache Day 15

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@birdwoodcbgs71 3 жыл бұрын

Oh my god it’s funny to see the guys in their pre ‘That Pedal Show’ days.

@coldacre 2 ай бұрын

before Dan started dying his beard & waxing his knuckles

@reso1349 9 жыл бұрын

The guitar strap blind fold is killer.

@guillerob99 9 жыл бұрын

Clean, booster: Klon Overdrive: Archer

@SFolkes97 9 жыл бұрын

Excellent satire on the universal OCD of most guitarists. That said, I COULD tell a difference even with 62 year old ears. The Archer is tighter and the Klon is - sho' nuff - better at that mystical, elusive old school vibe. Although I AM facing north on a Saturday in Roswell. Well done.

@johnk3195 7 жыл бұрын

Mick's strat sounds amazing...I'd put it up there with Mayer's "Black One" for best sounding strats

@ForViewingOnly 9 жыл бұрын

I really hate to say it but the Klon does have a certain magic to its tone. I could definitely hear the difference on my speakers every time, although there's no way I'd ever pay that much for a pedal.

@JohnW335andTele 4 жыл бұрын

I came here from the episode of That Pedal Show on 9/4/20.

@ttammcnulty 4 жыл бұрын

I was thinking during the last TPS vid (Tomatotone) that they need to blindfold test it against the original pedals, they should definitely include smell & feel tests 😂

@Driftuner 9 жыл бұрын

man..the tele and the sg sound even (specially) without the pedals sounded absolutely brilliant..great amp!

@rasmusvadavlund7270 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely awesome sounding amp! I would like to know of the settings for this video!

@intrsoul 9 жыл бұрын

Archer doesn't have the low-mid squish and sag. Not the same charm. But damn great sounding rig/guitars even without the pedals.

@hegartyj1 9 жыл бұрын

The SG tones just rock! Sounds so much like Grissom. Now I know why he uses a Klon from time to time. But the base tone was fantastic - even better than the tones in the actual amp test itself. Makes me think the Victory might be a good amp choice in my future.

@glencruciani 4 жыл бұрын

Best video production of a pedal demo ever! Must have been fun making this.

@strings2wood 9 жыл бұрын

Love how the scores progress. A little bit exactly like somewhat different from the results I expected. But we get hard water too.

@fretts 5 жыл бұрын

This is over four years old now but the Klon always has a less filtered-down high end and sounds open and sweet at every setting. The Archer seems to use filtering to tame the harshness of the diode overdrive. I suspect that the so-called magic diodes that Finnegan uses don't require filtering because maybe they have a naturally truncated high end to them so they can be run wide-open in a sense. The Klon always sounded more open to me and the Archer always sounded somewhat blanketed. Isolated like this, I definitely prefer the Klon. In a band situation, I can't imagine it being an audible difference, with cymbals, snare drums and vocals going.

@SomeLittleShoe 9 жыл бұрын

Klon, $2000.00 Archer, $179.00 Happy that I could afford a sound nearly as good (sometimes better than) as the rich mans pedal. :-)

@mr501mc 5 жыл бұрын

I actually prefer the archers tone

@ChrisEffort 2 жыл бұрын

2022 Klon $5000 Archer $199

@63caster 9 жыл бұрын

They are very close and no one could tell the diference in a live situation but in this A/B setting there seems to be a difference in the attack, when the note is first palyed. The klon seems punchier and a little fuller. Would be satisfied with either.

@dannylee214 9 жыл бұрын

Amazing guys. Accent is spot on, sounds are great. I just picked up an archer and I'm sure I'll be glad I did.

@lhgriffin 9 жыл бұрын

ere is a fact, No two Klons sound completely alike, I have heard more then a dozen of them and I have seen like 4 of them in a side by side comparisons. while tones may be similar feels actually varied a lot, so I always go back to my belief, get your tone even if it's a mental thing where your telling yourself you have to have the Klon. Just be honest with yourself about your tone. While this seems like a spoof

@trillrifaxegrindor4411 6 жыл бұрын

the black shit the aliens crap on top so you cant copy them makes them different.

@volcomstoned876 8 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha well done boys. Movember brothers from around the world showing some love for the Klon

@NickKBMusic 9 жыл бұрын

I just found one of the Archers in stock and I am waiting for it to ship. Im so excited!

@deanguitarninja 9 жыл бұрын

Ahhhh Mick Taylor. Still got it mate.

@joshmuz9018 5 жыл бұрын

Shit he looks good compared to Keith and mick and ronnie

@Art-zs6sl 7 жыл бұрын

Archer seems clearer in the details possibly from cleaning up quicker, where the Klon imparts some nice breakup between the notes.

@Josbornevonosborne 6 жыл бұрын

That might be the best video I have ever seen

@lloydgraves6701 7 жыл бұрын

I actually laughed out lout in the middle of a lecture when Dan came on screen wearing his glasses over the blindfold!

@FuukanaTV 9 жыл бұрын

A bit more growl on Klon Centaur. Smoother on J Rockett

@jimleininger8963 3 жыл бұрын

In all of the comparisons I preferred the no pedal references. Very helpful because I finally realized I'm not an overdrive person. I liked the EP best, but I think I'll just stick with my Sugar Drive turned down as a subtle boost. Thanks guys!

@ziexus4644 7 жыл бұрын

Is the Amp the Victory V40?! Regardless of the pedals and how they were set up - this amp just sounds amaaaaazing! WOW!

@rasmusvadavlund7270 2 жыл бұрын

I would love to see the actual settings of this amp!

@alexwoolridge94aw 5 жыл бұрын

I closed my eyes on all these tests to hear unbiased what I felt was best and i thought the archer sounded best to me. $180 compared to 2 grand. Not bad

@kcave23 7 жыл бұрын

My favorite sound of the entire video was the no pedal ref at 5:17

@TENNcaveman 3 жыл бұрын

The SG without a pedal is killer at 6:40 too :)

@themanwins 6 жыл бұрын

I really think you could further exaggerate this with cheaper equivalents such as the EHX Soul Food. There are probably slight differences across the gain pots broadly, but ultimately these guys achieve equatable sounds and feels. Great video guys!

@Mr_Bollie 5 жыл бұрын

Yes, That Pedal Game Show please!

@fullmetalsal 7 жыл бұрын

I love the patch cables used

@johnmarquez333 9 жыл бұрын

Everything sounded great, especially that Telecaster. I'm dying to know what amp was used.

@guitarist 9 жыл бұрын

Watch tonight's Tones For Tache John - Sunday 16th November. All will be revealed!

@williamrobertson694 9 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that tone is really tasty man...

@williamrobertson694 9 жыл бұрын

Guitarist Any memories about the speaker that were used also ? (it's a huge part of the sound too)

@volcomstoned876 8 жыл бұрын

It was a victory v 40 man

@joshrdealmusic 8 жыл бұрын

The Archer was close enough that I would have it over the real thing, but Klon based pedals aren't my thing. As soon as I put away my Tele and plug in something with humbuckers, the heavy low mids of the Klon voicing mucks up the tone. It literally sounds like a half cocked wah at times. It does have nice smoothing effect on single coils though. Makes a nice clean boost or low gainer to push the dry signal or the amp overdrive.

@relevantinformation6655 4 жыл бұрын

The Coriolis effect may be impacting the guitar pick depending on what hemisphere your in 🌎 . Probably should put a 17.5 degree azimuth on the pick if your in the Western Hemisphere. 🤷🏼‍♂️

@johanhallgren6717 8 жыл бұрын

Greatest video on youtube, no doubt..

@crazylikeafox1000 3 жыл бұрын

I was all set to buy the long lusted for Klon, and did extensive research. My conclusion was to buy both the gold and silver archers. The close proximity to the original just didn’t warrant the $2-3k price difference. 98%there for a few hundred dollars compared to 100% for a few thousand was a no brained for me. When you think of all the other variable associated with your tone......

@cycloptical26 5 жыл бұрын

Watching this has caused me to have retinal floaters.

@andyhunt5150 3 жыл бұрын

Superb, gents. Very professional.

@kierenmoore3236 7 жыл бұрын

They are quite different. I could hear the difference/pick it, every time, though the last round was certainly challenging ... for want of another/a better phrase, the Klon is more transparent ... the Archer can sound noisy/fizzy by comparison ... the Klon is just so clear/transparent, by comparison ... without any reference, the Archer would sound just as good, especially at a pub/gig etc ...

@hegartyj1 9 жыл бұрын

But back to the pedal test, it's obviously quite subtle, especially on the high gain tones, but the Klon seems to sound a little darker and fuller. Cork sniffing though.

@station2station544 8 жыл бұрын

I nailed it - not tooting my own horn. Just that the Klon had a darker muddier tone. The Archer sparkled. (That being said I had to listen to this video with Beyer-Dynamic studio headphones on to hear ANY difference. Nearly identical.

@robertgibbs7296 8 жыл бұрын

production one word, BRILLIANT!! :)

@blues61 3 жыл бұрын

Amazing, Tick Maylor talks just like me! ;-)

@dc.guitarholichk 6 жыл бұрын

Even if $$ is no object, I would go for the Archer. To me the Archer sounds more natural and balanced and a little bit warmer and sweeter compared to the Klon.

@ZeBossdenoo 6 жыл бұрын

Interesting video ! But it's quite easy to recognize the smoother Klon vs the brighter Archer. Easier is to recognize the smoother sound of the switch 😜

@adriangonzalez7850 2 жыл бұрын

Dude I just got directed to this video from the Automatone video on @ThatPedalShow I AM DEAD FROM YOUR ACCENTS HAHAHAHAHA

@adriangonzalez7850 2 жыл бұрын

@That Pedal Show

@MartinArgg 7 жыл бұрын

That tele was ON FIRE

@scottharvey8718 9 жыл бұрын

totally funny guys! the whole thing was great! I didn't care about the pedals, I just thought the comedy was brilliant!

@Bwoods612 7 жыл бұрын

also u cant a/b the klon and archer at the same settings as they have slightly different values

@trevorjalla 8 жыл бұрын

Except for two, I closed my eyes and picked the Klon each time - the Archer lacks the initial pick attack response. The two that I didn't get were 1) the first (since the result popped onto the screen before I decided to participate in the blind AB), and 2) the last - perhaps because the bypass sound was inherently spongey, the difference was far less noticeable to me. I couldn't pick the difference based on the mids response - or I wasn't listening as closely for that. Not going to buy either anycase ;)

@heliobluesrock 6 жыл бұрын

Soooooooooooo good! Lovely video! Loved it!

@anyday82 8 жыл бұрын

You guys are hilarious! Loved the idea and video!!

@SidFi20 5 жыл бұрын

Awesome guys! Nice to see this out of the box twist. Lol. Favorite part was Dans intro video clip. ROFL

@PieIX 8 жыл бұрын

No question the Klon is a darker sounding pedal

@bloodySunday77 9 жыл бұрын

Didn't expect it to be funny... but it was! :-D Keep these nice videos coming...

@robertsimpson5801 6 жыл бұрын

Definitely a brighter mid range on the Klon than Archer. Both sound great, though, and the Archer is easily accessible. :)

@TheGurner1 6 жыл бұрын

I've just bought an Archer - the Klon sounds better here though, sightly more gnarly upper mids and a touch of transparency - I expect the Archer will be fine in about 20 years time! Am I the only one who thought the real Klon sounded more 'transistor' and the Archer more 'valve'?

@CLaw-tb5gg 7 жыл бұрын

Isn't the Archer literally a Klon internally?

@rubberband9570 6 жыл бұрын

How did dan get 9,006,461 but mick only got 400 and tenty sixteen?

@klepetar 9 жыл бұрын

i dunno if it's because i got a lemon.. but my search for a klon clone has been going on for the last 4-5 years now i[ve bought-sold at least a dozen pedals..and the Rockett to me was the worse.. i was not able to get a good comfortable tone out of this.. maybe it's because of the variations of electronic components... i got a chinese that was pretty good..i have a keeley oxblood that i use for my telecaste but the one i have chosen as the final outcome is the Stewmac ghost drive kit.. perfection.. my search is over now..

@MrFrenchHarp 7 жыл бұрын

The Klon has more low mid girth or upper lows. The Archer sounds better at higher dirt settings. I prefer the Archer for both reasons with my amps.

@GregVasquez777 2 жыл бұрын

You guys are mad!!!

@dylanl9532 6 жыл бұрын

these pedals basically don't do anything, yet everyone likes it

@SimpleManGuitars1973 6 жыл бұрын

I'm a Strat guy and really not a Gibson fan and especially have always disliked SG's but DAAAAAAAAANG that little SG sounded SWEET!

@Rogijimbex 3 жыл бұрын

Great acting and funny stuff - thanks! Oh yeh - and good sound shootout

@Jeepjones85 9 жыл бұрын

What amp were you using with the sg ? It's all sounded amazing

@guitarist 9 жыл бұрын

So now we know it was the Victory V40 The Duchess prototype. See the Tones For Tache Video from Sunday 16th November for more on the amp.

@bloodySunday77 9 жыл бұрын

Absolutely agree! Sounded very very nice indeed...

@jw112mail 4 жыл бұрын

the magic of the KLON is the low mid push which is missing in the Archer

@MrDT543 8 жыл бұрын

In the context of a band/full mix, you'll never hear the difference.

@commandhtf 7 жыл бұрын

Yeah, in that context, but who is the one using the pedal? You are. Outside of the stage, you're the only one who can tell the difference (Hopefully). Aren't you trying to improve yourself and your sound? You're the judge of your sound.

@jst601 6 жыл бұрын

Always subjective & always a trade off. One can be armed with, in his belief system, the best gear he can afford, & still have people who don't like his sound. I submit the difference as demonstrated here is so subtle that most "players" can not tell in a live situation what they're listening to. And the humble fact is this: we can all be fooled, & we have been, whether we know it or not. If someone thinks the Arher can't sound like the Klon, then he's already defeated in his mind & in his approach to playing, & he won't be happy & he won't be confident; he'll doubt everything he hears thinking he's less than because it's less than. He's depending too much on his gear & not his ability to deliver.

@bernardbrennan1612 6 жыл бұрын

You’d hear it on a recording. I was surprised how different they sounded

@ArcDevErik 6 жыл бұрын

No.

@flagainst3 8 жыл бұрын

Loved the video!

@TrevBec 9 жыл бұрын

A bit of that reminded me of a scene in Reginald Perrin!

@Bwoods612 7 жыл бұрын

a big part of the klons tone is the big enclosure

@kyzorsosay9938 5 жыл бұрын

J.Rockett makes excellent pedals.Check out the lemonade it's a good one.

@NothingHereButMe 7 жыл бұрын

Theres definitely a difference. I don't know which I like more though

@carlosoceguera2091 6 жыл бұрын

I'm surprised (And a bit dissapointed) at how obviously different they are. In my Genelecs they sound completelly different, the mids are way pokier in the Klon...

@maxstrandberg6714 6 жыл бұрын

Man that tone!

@duncanearley 9 жыл бұрын

So they are the same right? Just different boxes?

@guitarist 9 жыл бұрын

Very similar by all accounts, Duncan. They do sound marginally different to us, however. Very marginally!

@ndtealmusic 9 жыл бұрын

I didn't laugh until he said "four hundred and tenty sixteen." That got me! Lol.

@colaboytje 6 жыл бұрын

I own the Archer and it changes the sound too much. I play a strat and it's like a shift to a P90 sound instead of a single-coil. The Klon is more transparent. You can still hear the original sound.

@rogeriosartori555 7 жыл бұрын

Glasses ON!

@basdenchris 6 жыл бұрын

This is the best Klon-parison video on the internet, hands down!

@AP-ui7oi 2 жыл бұрын

I got my Archer for $100. Works great.

@geirolav2 9 жыл бұрын

I think the klon is more harsh on the high gain settings

@Tomsdrawings 4 жыл бұрын

Hello friends from TPS!

@Teleman76 9 жыл бұрын

Bravo! Bravo!

@weimondo 9 жыл бұрын

What pickups does that tele have?

@okaytastic6691 8 жыл бұрын

I didn't like one over the other. I liked each in different clips. Still wouldn't bet money on which was which with my eyes closed

@monkeyxx 9 жыл бұрын

close but no cigar. if you want a REALLY close and even harder test, try the Rimrock Effects Mythical Overdrive vs Klon video. The SMD construction of the Archer is a compromise where the through-hole clones stand a better chance against the real deal, I'd say. I would pick the Archer over the KTR Klon, though.

@chrisvantassel8867 9 жыл бұрын

Just an FYI, all of the audio path on the Archer is through hole not SMD.

@monkeyxx 9 жыл бұрын

Chris van tassel Having built a Klone, and looking at the Archer's PCB, I'm going to say that is not true.

@monkeyxx 9 жыл бұрын

Chris van tassel Well you're wrong. The electrolytic capacitors in the Rockett are all clearly surface mount, as well as all the resistors. That puts a lot of SMD in the direct audio path. You got some bad information somewhere, it's just not correct.

@williamrobertson694 9 жыл бұрын

monkey dangus Hello, I probably misunderstand you, but do you mean that there are some SMD components in the Archer ? (I am french so I probably misunderstand you ^^).

@chrisvantassel8867 9 жыл бұрын

William Robertson Yes, the parts in the power section are SMT but parts in the audio path are through hole.

@documentingordinarythoughts 9 жыл бұрын

GigrigShire !!! Cracked me up LOL !

@jamesgrobertson8024 9 жыл бұрын

Excellent well done, what amp are you using?

@guitarist 9 жыл бұрын

Hi James, the amp will be revealed in tonight's Tones For Tache video (Sunday 16th November). It's a prototype of a new model.

@vjau75 6 жыл бұрын

The klon seems to have more gain in those comparisons.

@marcospintor1333 6 ай бұрын

Mick speaking with an American accent is uncanny 😂

@inlasttonowhere4459 6 жыл бұрын

Bitchin' Hilarious 😁 Best Comparison video on these two pedals. I however feel that placing these two pedals against one another is really comparing "Apples to Oranges". I own a J Rockett "Archer" and all I can say is- "Thank you J Rockett for this great pedal and giving me the opportunity to have a little of this awesome sound". My "Archer" paired with my "JTM45" is very impressive. (I know a strange combination to pair a tube with a solid but honestly, it works).

@PieIX 8 жыл бұрын

Klon sounds better. No doubt about it.

@ChinchillupaGuy 8 жыл бұрын

Did you blind test yourself? You might be surprised by your score.