terry waller I mean bullets just pass through the damn thing!

@terry waller It wasn't that ancient. It was designed in the 30s. Such was the speed of the paradigm shift.

@terry waller a musket can turn your internal organs into pink mist. A 45 can kill you

**That's where you are wrong dude! I was almost the victim of a drive by shooting a few years ago, but fortunately for me, the 4 gunmen were using obsolete MP-40 submachine guns. Sure, they use modern 9mm ammo, which can easily kill you, but its completely irrelevant if the gun is obsolete! Sure enough, they sprayed me with dozens of 9mm rounds from just 30 feet away, but since the guns were obsolete, the bullets all just bounced right off me!** Yep.... Reminds me of the Iraq war, where Iowa class battleships were firing Tomahawk missiles and 16 inch high explosive shells. The missiles and 2300lb shells landed directly on the enemy positions, but with absolutely no negative effects on the enemy soldiers, because of the battleships being obsolete! Lol

@terry waller I was joking.

And the torpedoes were Austria Hungarian

The torpedoes sunk it, but even then (As the reply above says) they were Austro-Hungarian...

That just goes to show that guns and ammo have no allegiance. Like all the guns and ammo the US sold the Germany in WW2

The movie: The King's Choice shows the scene. They even found an actor that could have been a twin of the actual commander.

I see a few folks remember torpedoes. Lol

Worked perfectly in the Denmark straight

Kind of. PoW didn't make the same error. Worth noting too that just one 15"/42 or 14"/45 round on target, would've made Prinz Eugen's career dramatically shorter. (see HMS Defence & the Regia Marina's Frume & Zara for why Cruisers were typically kept away from hostile Capital Ships where possible)

And luck wasn't on the German's side either, the torpedoes used to sink the Blucher had just returned to the fort the day before, after being subjected to an extensive check and full service. So when the Blucher came up against them, they were as efficient as was possible.

Bullshit

Blucher sank aldri 9 april 1940, skipet ble satt på land ved DIGERUD. Sjekk første siden til Aftenposten 9. april. Skipet ble slept til Kiel for reparasjon.....

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@@oveonkli4814 hvis skipet ble slept bort hvorfor ligger det i oslofjorden fortsatt?

Even then...she Survived it but had a leak and due to radiation...could not be saved Hence it sanked so it could Still be luck.

It took two nukes to sink her. Prove that German Engineering is superior

@@yousefseed1874 it wasnt even nukes that sunk her...she Survived it but a leak that could not be fixed due to the radiation got her... otherwise had she Survived it would likely take more Its basically the world of warship when you die by flooding rather than the initial torpedo salvos

@@funbro99 if there's flooding, there should be a counter-flooding measures but no, the Americans decided to use the best heavy cruiser ever built as a nuke target. It's like the USN doesn't care about their ships more than glorious yet efficient Kriegsmarine

@@yousefseed1874 thats the thing...the leak was basically a mercy slow bleeding shot Since they couldnt fix the leak it essentially bleed out... exactly what happens in world of warship (the game) when you've used your repairs and Still getting flooded You slowly bleed to death and then die

Low key? He an imperialist

And survive :)

yep, she's still there though, you can see her (maybe even at night lol)

Drachinifel she was definitely a tease 😄

Arguably the WWI veteran Nagato attained the same feat, in far worse material condition.

@@jimtaylor294 Nagato did not see action in WWI. Laid down 1917, launched 1919 and commissioned 1920.

Yeah, they basically had a 15 year gap where the institutional knowledge of how to build ships was lost, they had to start over from scratch, it's a reasonable credit to them that (apart from dodging stern construction) their ships were competitive in most areas, just overweight for the firepower.

They were also lacking in good quality anti aircraft batteries. The original C/30 20 mm guns were very poor guns with a small magazine of just 20 rounds. That made them have a practical rate of fire of only about 120 rounds a minute. The C/38 models was a much improved gun, especially when used with the sophisticated quad mounting. It had a 40 round magazine and doubled the rate of fire per barrel compared to the C/30. Allied airmen soon learned to give German vessels used to escort submarines in and out of the Bay of Biscay a wide berth to avoid the fire of these guns. However, it was only when the German Navy started manufacturing Oerlikon 20 mm guns reverse engineered from army models that they had a truly effective single barrel hand swung model. It had a rate of fire of 450 rounds a minute, twice as fast as any German designed gun. As usual,, there were too few produced too late to make much difference. The 37 mm SK C/30 guns were hand loaded with very slow rates of fire and a poor mounting with a failed triaxial mount. The later KM 42 and KM 43 37 mm FLAK versions were much improved but came very late in the war when most of the surface fleet had been lost or decommissioned. The 105 mm guns had the potential to be excellent antiaircraft gun but, once again, they were in a triaxial mount that was too difficult to manufacture and just didn't work well in practice. The gun housing was poorly designed, being open at one end and allowing water to get in and ruin the electrical systems. Too few were manufactured to replace war losses as the war wound down for improvements in the 105 mm gun housing and fire control system to make any difference. In addition to luck, the Prinz Eugen survived as the only large surface vessel of the German navy by continuing improvements in her anti aircraft batteries. All the 37 mm guns were replaced with the German version of the Bofors 40 mm gun and the earlier C/30 and C/38 20 mm with the FLAK 28 and 29 models covering any empty spaces on the deck. While operating in the Baltic in the closing moths of the war, she was able to do impressive shore bombardment missions against the advancing Russian army while fighting off hordes of Russian aircraft due to her much improved anti aircraft batteries and radars.

My friend, most of them stayed afloat so long because they spent most of the war in port having no fuel. In 1942 the monthly fuel deficit of the KM amounted some 116 000 tons. They barely had fuel for the U-Boot force which had priority.

As it turned out, he was both court-martialed (and acquitted) _and_ decorated.

Germany was also playing catchup with the RN in warship design, which was also a factor in the less efficient design. The British by contrast had benefitted from the 1922 & 1930 treaties being geared to accomidate their unique operational needs for Cruisers, as numbers mattered more than pure size. (which was proved right at the River Plate, with the largest Cruiser being mission killed by mostly smaller opponents, and then scuttled as soon as word of an approaching Battlecruiser hit home, the same type of ship that had slain the ship's namesake admiral a generation prior)

I'll do that! .

Thanks for mentioning it!

i wish i could watch that movie ;-;

Great movie. You can watch it on KZfaq for free.

Only Hood did though. PoW, Suffolk, Norfolk & the four Destroyers didn't, though as it was timing & weather had it that only two of the eight RN ships present engaged.

@@jimtaylor294 Did you mean Duke of York and not PoW?

@@ajsnagratin6504 No. DoY was still being fitted out at the time of this battle. My point was PoW engaged the correct target from the start, while the Bismarck's similar outline to her escort - and looking roughly the same size due to position - confused the Gunners on Hood for several minutes.

Huuuhhh!!!

baka

Get a life

I came here just to see how they'd narrate loli Glowworm ram flat Hipper-chan UwU

Azur Lane reference... *BUT I SIMP TO PRINZ EUGENE!*

Try telling Capt Hans Langsdorrf that...

The Germans had very good optics in general but lagged behind in radar and radar controlled gunnery.

Science Chap the captain of Graf spee? One of the most successful yet short lived surface raiders of the war?

@@fyorbane Tell that to the crew of HMS Glorious, which got hit by 11inch gunfire despite being covered with smokescreens. Drach himself said that while German radar gunnery lagged a bit behind the Allies, it wasn't all that much, and early in WW2, was certainly among the best available.

The Germans really underestimated the Fortress and it's weapons

Blucher sealed Old Boney's final crushing defeat at Waterloo, after Wellington's Thin Red Line had broken the corsican emperor's best troops. #EnoughSaid

In theory there is a finite number of warships built... :p

when you ar at the age of 80 years old you will reach the nuclear carriers

@@Drachinifel you'll cover them all. And on that day we'll be contacted by alien life. They have one purpose to their contact: to share the naval history of their homeworld with the one humans call "Drachinifel". Primary sources will be provided. As will a replacement android body* should yours not last long enough. *Or glass jar for your head to float in... Whichever you prefer.

@@AdamMGTF Next thing we know, the sheer number of upload CyberDrach put out knocks KZfaq Offline... So CyberDrach builds his own video platform just for warships. Oh, and never challenge CyberDrach in a World of Warships duel.

But that's boring when the ship stays together in one piece. it's more exciting when the guns decide that they're going on their own adventure

If that happen there is no such thing as a european theater ww2.

I would never have happened.

Large parts of the fleet would be scrapped for cash. Will probably have the most modern ships be in mothball. Germany might actually be able to field a more effective Scharnhorst-class and Bismarck-class ships. Same thing with the heavy and light cruisers.

why hello there Napalm o7

I'll give it a go :)

Admiral Hipper: Huh!?

Berwick did drive her opponent from the "field" though, thus still can be ascribed the victor. (a blooded boxer is no less a victor)

Comparing the Baltimores to the Hippers is a mistake. they were a complete generation more modern, having been designed with war experience and being launched some eight years later. Chronologically, USS Wichita is the closest US heavy cruiser to the Hippers. The British weren't building anything comparable by he mid 30's, but the Towns were chronologically comparable.

Germany was desperate for an aircraft carrier and that was a quickest way to get one.

Not a fair comparison. New Orleans & the Counties were Washington cruisers, built to adhere to the terms of the Treaty. Both were 100 feet shorter than the 697 feet of the Hippers, which displaced around half as much again as the other two. The Counties and the New Orleans were also around eight years older.

@@dovetonsturdee7033 Watch the video. He made the comparisons to those vessels, not me. I simply pointed out that the extra size was certainly why the Hippers had greater range, while he ignored range and criticized the Hippers simply for being bigger without being significanty stronger.

@@lmyrski8385 Well, whoever made the comparison, it is not a valid one.

Stephen Bond sure

Have you seen their displacement compared to their statistics? In terms of fighting potential, Allied Heavy Cruisers were on par or even better armed and protected than the Hipper-class with LESS displacement overall

The Hipper Class Heavy Cruisers had a very short range compared to other ships of their size and their engines were not particularly reliable.

I really dont think he reads these comments. Also, he's British and will of course refuse to make any attempt whatsoever to correctly pronounce words of another language.

To the British ear, they all sound blurp blurp blurp when they go under

@@vasilileung2204 to us Germans they all sound bumm bumm bumm when they blow up. When they get Hooded. Hood....Invincible....Queen Mary...

I would imagine the Italian capital ships lacked the range as they were mainly designed for Mediterranean operations. There was also Gibraltar to consider which would have been difficult to get past..

Karl Dubhe America, Britain, and the assorted commonwealths ‘under’ Britain. For the purpose of the Battle for the Atlantic, anything commonwealth based is labeled under the British flag for simplicities sake. And can you blame them? They make British warships, use British tactics, and in general operate as an extension of (and in many cases as part of) the British fleet for much of the war and especially when it comes to the submarine war and convoy escort in the Atlantic. IIRC multiple commonwealth ships were used in defense of the arctic convoys, which is almost halfway across the world from the respective flags the ships are under. The commonwealth nations have very close ties with Britain, so much so that they are indistinguishable from Britain when your talking major naval battles, and to a lesser degree land and air battles(as you usually don’t fly your flag, obviously.).

Karl Dubhe *I am very well aware of this* . But that is what any historian sees when they make the swathing overviews of History in general. Only the ones which go out of their way to mention those small and frankly crucial details are the ones where you’ll Canada mentioned in the battle of the Atlantic as a separate entity. In anything else history related, it is always labeled as the British and Americans, nothing more... You only see Canada mentioned off-hand when there is the inevitable question of who participated. If you’d read the message even a little bit, you would of realized I was talking in the grand scheme of things... Because it is not only the Canadians which are subjugated to this. The Australians and New Zealanders are also left out. I was explaining why the poster didn’t include them, and goes back to information simplification from the general history books down, in terms of public knowledge. Obviously, commonwealth ships are independently manned, made(at least in the case of Canada, and maybe Australia), and organized. But because the Commonwealth nations assets are still effectively under British command structure(or at least follow British tactics, doctrine, and strategy), they are seldom mentioned anywhere except in more detailed stuff(such as specific battles), because for something as broad as the Battle of the Atlantic, information is simplified more than it should be, and ends up with the commonwealth nations being precluded under the British title, if they are ever mentioned at all. Sorry if I didn’t convey that with the previous message.

The Italian Navy had issues trying to break out of the Mediterranean Sea as well as the whole issue of having no aircraft carriers of their own to provide integral air support. Plus, the Italian Navy surface fleet had commanders who were nowhere near as daring and skilled as their frogmen and special services. The French Navy all but practically ceased to exist as a separate military force after the fall of France thanks to the British raid on Mers El Kebir in 1940 that prevented the Germans from getting their hands on the French ships. Only a small handful of French naval forces responded to Charles de Gaulle's call for Free French forces and while present they lacked any kind of numbers to have a visible impact in the Battle of the Atlantic.

The Italian Navy had quite a large submarine fleet at the beginning of the war, variously estimated at 105-112 subs of all types. If those, 32 were based in France after 1940 as the passage through the the Strait of Gibraltar were too dangerous for the large and slow to dive submarines. They contributed quite a bit to the sinking of allied ships, with 665,000 tons sunk. They also sank 18 convoy escorts so the numbers weren't bad for a fleet that never had more than about 23 subs active at any one time. SEveral of the large long range submarines made successful voyages to and back from the East Indies carrying vital wartime cargoes like rubber and quinine. The Italian submarines were much less successful in the Med as the relatively large and noisy submarines were either caught on the surface or sunk by British destroyers and sloops.

There was no way for them to pretend that they were complying with the Washington Naval treaty if they did that. The Hippers were presented to the world as "10,000 ton 8-inch Cruisers." In reality shipbuilding professionals in the other treaty nations knew they probably displaced far more than 10,000 tons based on their sheer size, but their governments couldn't just throw such accusations around willy-nilly so Germany got away with it. Using 11" guns would have eliminated all pretense, and possibly prompted other nations to drop the treaty as well.

@@nerd1000ify Yep, which is why the Scharnhorst class was launched with three 11 inch turrets. The plan was to switch to triple 15 inch twin turrets later. But then the war started early.

@@lancenorton1117 I think this also allowed them to complete sooner, as the 11" gun was a mature design that could be deployed a lot faster than developing a new 15" weapon. The 15" was of course planned for the following Bismarcks, so a retrofit was feasible once development completed.

horselips THIS!!!

Apparently, Generals don't swimm so well.

This was during the period they were officially allies.

​@@Drachinifel "Officially" doesn't mean anything when Hitler always planned to attack the Soviets anyway. So this still makes no sense.

@@thefilthycasual516 originally the breakdown of the German-Soviet alliance was supposed to be much longer down the line when the ship wouldn't have been relevant anymore.

See what you just said? How many Russians said the same thing "Why would they sell us a huge ship if they were planning to attack?" Which is probably partly why the NKVD had such a tough time convincing Stalin that Germany really was planning to attack. Germany had no plans to get into a Naval battle with Russia once it kicked off anyway.

@@13redlion13 Yes Initially Soviet invaded Poland from east and that really threatening the Germans so bad. That broke off the peace pact between them (the pact which grant soviet that warship). So Hitler foguht back Soviet by invading Poland, then British announced war with German. And the rest is history.

They were powerful and very accurate and had better range than any other 8-inch gun in WW2.

Germany didn't subscribe to the all-or-nothing paradigm because they'd fallen behind on shipbuilding concepts during the interbellum period where they weren't allowed much of a navy. The Bismarks and Hippers were in many ways WW1 design concepts scaled up for WW2 engine and weapon technology.