Pillar of garbage I have no doubt this is good video theory about the movie but I'm not going to watch it the reason is that I've made up my mind not to watch anything that has anything to do with Trump or that he's mentioned in . you always make fun videos that are fun to watch. greetings from the Netherlands

Pillar of garbage a question about your patreon. is there a reason you only have a monthly subscription and not an option for an annual subscription?

Ransome was my personal favorite character in Knives Out 1. Chris Evans was really good in the role, and I'm a sucker for characters that don't give a f**k.

@@ladysam3834 to be honest, I hadn’t even realised it was an option! Maybe I’ll set that up Update: seems I'm not eligible: Patreon FAQ says "Creator account must have a well-established payment history, including at least £200 earnings/monthly in the previous three months." - which I do not currently meet (and likely won't for a while)

two versions, the in-theater one with just Rian, and a second one with the DP and Noah Segan with Rian as well!

....I like how you act like you also wouldn't be upset if your family just randomly decided to give your inheritance to a random nurse...

@@mcameron6031 what? thank you for completely missing the point of the original comment.

@@jeffreydenenberg7101 oh sorry...."white people bad"...... Yeah great points brought up

@@mcameron6031 triggered?

@@mcameron6031 still wrong buddy but keep trying im sure you can get there

Most definitely, and Fran is specifically identified as the housekeeper as well, whereas Marta is identified as a nurse, so we know that her and Marta both have different specific responsibilities to the Thrombey house.

THIS!!!

True, and despite the specialized knowledge and college education required, she's treated as the immigrant help. In the case of each Thrombey, no degree is required for their position, no additional work was needed prior to them being handed their opportunities, but they're the ones who act entitled to their positions. It makes for an excellent contrast and pointed commentary.

THIS

@@dangranot5703 I especially like the recurring bit where they name a different country of origin for Marta's family every time they mention her, such that the viewers can't really tell where her family is from, because the Thrombeys obviously couldn't care less where she's from or what her family's story is.

So it's also a criticism of Berniecrats. Most are upper-middle-class white people who think they're more progressive than even their Left Wing peers, despite falling for the exact same cons as Trump supporters.

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I love the opening of this movie where each family member is lying and saying that Marta wasn't invited because x. They were comfortable enough with Marta to presume some sort of friendly association. I mean, she wasn't treated as if she was a stranger. She was treated more like a "family friend" but not quite a family friend. It showed how empty the existing Thrombey clan all were. Harlan is the only one who was Marta's friend and Marta was the only one who was Harlan's friend. They talked. They played Go. They were friends even if Marta was paid. Harlan cared enough for Marta that he committed suicide just to protect his friend. so we also see that class divide only exists when people want that class divide to exist. After all, Harlan was rich. he was white. He was male. He was respected. His best friend was Marta. Marta was poor. She was not white. She was not respected. I mean, the Thrombeys didn't even know where Marta came from. It was a running joke. That's how superficially "nice" they were. They're no different from the republican family members or co-workers or grandparents who seem nice. When push comes to shove, they never had a problem hurting Marta or any person they thought 'didn't belong here'.

Reminder that neolibs are conservatives ashamed to admit they’re bigots too

Yes but that isn't what "neoliberal" means... it doesn't mean "new liberal", it's a specific right-wing/conservative economic ideology/strategy that many liberals like Hilary happened to adopt, and that is shared by both elite liberals and by conservatives.

Also look at how they view themselves: Ransom calls the house, the fortune, his "birthright". He feels entitled to it, even though he didn't work for it, he didn't _earn_ it. He believes he's inherently more deserving. Steve Rogers, aka Captain America, by contrast, answers with this when the Red Skull asks him why he's special: "Nothing. I'm just a kid from Brooklyn." He doesn't see himself as more worthy than the other soldiers who were up for the chance to get the serum. He just wanted to do his part. He didn't want to be the star.

Amazing casting. Despite the fact that he is, ironically, best known for his role as Captain America, who is the exact opposite of that, Chris Evans is at his best when he plays character that are, for a lack of a better word...total freaking d-bags.

So Homelander.

It's just the same actor playing a different character. Does it have symbolizing of American capitalism? Yes, but not every character a notable actor plays feeds into another character. "OHMYGAWDJAMESBONDVSCAPTAINAMERI-" Shut up.

@@onearmedbandit84 now I’m wondering how good of a job Chris Evans would’ve done if he was cast as Homelander

Rian Johnson is a genius. Not unexpected from the only person to make an original and good Star Wars movie in 3 decades

@@gurigura4457 Super intelligent viewer who only watched the first half of the movie before getting bored

@@grenadegang5161 Sorry, are you implying that I didn't watch the whole film, as though it were a particularly difficult chore? I would have thought a "Super Intelligent" viewer would realise they have no way of knowing such a thing.

​@@gurigura4457 Nice job accidentally admitting that you didn't actually watch the whole movie and instead just have a hate-boner for anything that doesn't prescribe to your incredibly narrow world view lmao.

@@thysens Alright, since you can apparently infer personal information through your screen, on what basis are you claiming I never finished the film?

Lol fellow Flilipino here, weird how my parents seem to really like Marcos? And one of their arguments is that the young people complaining weren’t there to experience that kind of political history back then

@@jomaq9233 yikes, so sorry to hear that. classic apologist mindset - undermining; even shutting down the voice of the youth simply because “back in their day” they were privileged enough not to experience the same hardships a lot of their fellow filipinos did. people like them need to learn that the world does NOT revolve around them and that just because they had a swell time during the dictatorship doesnt mean the same for everyone else. the brainwashing and historical distortion is real and THRIVING in the philippines and i hope other countries see through apologists’ bullshit.

@@TheMoodyfire I personally notice that some older POC conservatives seem to use the “traditional cultural values” excuse, and that any complaints about that are just from “white people who don’t understand” or younger POC who have been “too westernized”

@@TheMoodyfire also, both of my parents weren’t exactly all that well off back then, either, I guess they just felt that for them, a lot of their own problems with the country “got solved” when martial law became a thing

@@jomaq9233 did they speak out against atrocities? Or just played along to the whims of those in power? They are not neutral, they just choose to ignore the worst of it and reap the boon of silence. They are not marginalized therefore they think they're not part of the problem. Ableists

Politics are cyclical like that, the late twentieth century saw a boom in (relatively) progressive politics, the children of that generation (Boomers and Gen X) naturally have a reactionary political ideology. Maybe not naturally but there are examples of this throughout history, it's just that generational differences are way more catalogued now than they were in the past

Not just "extreme" but representative of generational perspective. The Silent Generation: Harlan's mother barely speaks at all. The Boomer Generation: Harlan built the wealth, did the work. Generation X: Harlan's children are relatively harmless neoliberals; they're racist and entitled, but don't actually pose a threat unless threatened (they'll be friendly to Marta until she threatens their comfort). Millennials: Meg and "the Nazi child" have gone in different directions away from their parents' generation. They both recognise the failings on their parents (as Harlan does), but with Harlan make up three points of a triangle that respond differently.

@@zandytheaxiom8015 Meg and the kid are zoomers not millenials. At least the kid is. They'd have to be like 26 to be millenials

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@@zandytheaxiom8015 This is a pretty accurate take. I like it.

*Uruguay

@@nocturnomediodia4403 Was gonna say thus

Which means that for all their money, they do not travel or at least venture beyond the English-speaking, ignorant rich people bubble.

Yeah lol. She’s not housekeeper; they just treat her like one.

That’s one of the things that makes this movie and Glass Onion fascinating in juxtaposition to each other. The failure of Ransom’s plan to frame Marta for Harlan’s death hinges on his underestimation of her skull and knowledge at what she does. She subconsciously didn’t fall for his swapped vials because she’s so knowledgeable of her field that she instinctively knew that the viscosity was wrong and used the right medicine regardless. In Glass Onion, Bron almost gets away with an incredibly dumb crime because everyone overestimates his intelligence. Underestimation in the first movie, overestimation in the second.

Ikr... 😁

For clarity - I'm of course not saying Ransom is literally Trump, or a direct caricature. It's more that (IMO, as I lay out in the vid) the film uses him to obliquely explore Trump and Trumpism & argue for limitations

@@PillarofGarbage I know.

@@PillarofGarbage this take only makes sense if you believe Benny boy was right about Bron being a stand in for Musk

@@PillarofGarbage Furthermore, you could just as well say that Miles Bron of Glass Onion is Trump. Despite being assumed to be modeled after Elon Musk, he could also be perceived as a Trumpian picture in that he's an untalented, unintelligent individual with an unrealistic self-concept who has become wealthy despite having not really done very much or created anything, but by placing himself in proximity to talent and glamour and creating an overhyped mythology of wealth and success, an empire where other people work and puts his name on it. This particular type of toxic privilege is applicable to many public figures, which is why all these same people like Musk and Trump all simp for the other. They're of the same breed.

@@eomoran Not necessarily Musk, but people like him. Bezos and Zuckerberg could’ve also served as an inspiration.

I do expect them to be shy about being racist when Marta's not in the room, actually. For some of these people, being Not Racist is part of their self-image. For Meg it seems to be an important part. To brush it off as purely performative is to miss the point of the character. They're not "just as racist, except they're hiding it." The point is that even if those feelings are genuine, they're not enough. They don't take priority when a person's own standard of living is threatened and they don't equate to an actual understanding of the people they ostensibly support. In a way it *is* performative, but they're performing to themselves more than anyone else. That's the kind of performance that doesn't slip until push comes to shove, and when it does they'll have a thousand justifications to convince themselves that this situation is different.

@@android19willpwn Great observation!

I have been repeatedly stunned by the things certain white people will say when there are only white people present. The first time I had jury duty, this old white guy opened deliberations with "I knew he was guilty the minute I looked at him." Had the evidence not been overwhelming (and the case not rape/murder,) I would have hung the jury on principle.

I am the thumbnail goat

@@PillarofGarbage so true king

I still enjoy Critical Drinker's videos, but he definitely has a flawed approach. One example being Midsommar where he seemed to go out of his way to detect "THE MESSAGE" and completely overlooked everything in the movie that disproved his narrative

tbf. I think Critical Drinker has also gotten worse, as his most obnoxious takes have been rewarded by views. Just eyeballing it, it looks like the percentage of negative reviews of vaguely liberal films has steadily increased over time on his channel.

if you want a good movie reviews and maybe analysis. also see red letter media. the fact that the critical drinker has gotten this popular because he preys on the insecurities of men, primarily being the target of things. Real men understand not only themselves, but others and don't go on attack mode to undermine others.

Adding to this, I do really enjoy his positive reviews. Like even recently, his review of Everything, Everywhere, All At Once was quite fun.

@@camipco i feel like creators with lesser subscriber counts can be as credible with their analysis and reviews. For example pillar of garbage.

Same. Thought it's a good detective drama movie with family drama regarding inheritance like any family. Land to be inherited, family fight over the scraps, etc.

Likely some SJW will have their feeling hurt by an "online troll" and Blanc will have to use his skills to track them down.

@@mcameron6031 Now that you bring it up. I could see Ryan using Cancel Culture to his advantage in a future film. They kinda brought it up with Birdie but it was more of a joke. I could see a future film fully deconstruct it and how toxic the internet is

@@PaintSplashProductions except Rian is the type of person who would make cancel culture look like a good thing

I kind of hope they tackle political subtext on a more middle class level. Most whodunnits concern the lives of Upper-Middle Class (as in Knives Out or most Christie whodunnits) to the super-rich (as in Glass Onion), which are perfectly ripe for satire, but I’d love to see Benoit Blanc take on a mystery/politics of a level more representative of most people’s economic levels.

@@mcameron6031 ah yes, the man who was flooded with hate for years for making a star wars movie people didn't like would *totally* have a positive view of cancel culture 🙄

I'll give Ryan Johnson all the credit in the world, but man he's anything but subtle sometimes

@@Carlos-Mora Subtlety rarely gets a point across.

On the contrary, subtly is the usually the only way to get a point ACROSS.

Me, Staring at The Last Jedi and Looking Like Thanos: Perhaps I was too harsh on you.

TLJ is my favorite Star Wars movie, and I'm not a Star Wars fan. It was the most interesting and thematically complex move in the series to me, and had me still thinking and talking about it for days afterwards. The vitriolic backlash to that movie really disturbed me.

I never saw SW 9 and I won't watch it. But TLJ has a lot of flaws even if you loved Knives Out and Glass Onion. TLJ was terrible at being a movie in the middle of a trilogy, let alone being in an existing franchise.

@@l.n.3372 Oh? I disagree, but am interested in what you think. Personally I thought it a terrific second movie, much more interesting than the first.

@@flyforce16 I've written practically novels on why TLJ was terrible lol, but I certainly don't wanna spam this comment section with such. For a quick summary tho: A) Rian Johnson failed to deliver on making it a consistent sequel that connects plots or answers questions. TFA, for better or worse, promises things. TLJ does not care about them. It has Rey's family secret be meaningless so Kylo Ren can randomly claim it doesn't matter. If they didn't care about Rey's family, then do not waste our time for an entire fucking movie in TFA. This isn't solely the fault of Rian Johnson, Kathleen Kennedy is to blame for not having a coherent plan as a whole. If they wanted Rian to do his own thing, then have a plan from the beginning and USE it. Don't hire JJ Abrams for one thing and Rian Johnson for a different thing. B) TLJ failed to care about the established universe of SW too. In no world does Luke Skywalker even consider murdering his teenage nephew when Luke refusing to kill his own father is a huge plot point of the original trilogy. It character assassinated Luke so that the white, male villain Kylo Ren can look like a sad woobie. C) speaking of Kylo Ren, ugh. Don't get me started on the god awful forced romance between him and Rey, which started dropping hints in this film. Not to mention that it shafted a potential Rey/Finn romance to push Rey with a white, male villain. D) speaking of Finn, he was so important and unique in TFA as a stormtrooper turned rebel. Suddenly he doesn't matter anymore in TLJ. He went from an A plot in TFA to barely a C plot in TLJ. I don't wanna say someone in the staff is a racist to shaft Fin. But when you also see how much Poe got shafted too, you start to wonder if an executive was being racist overall. Combined this with pushing the romance of Kylo Ren and Rey and it def feels very racist overall (pushing a white ship over a mixed race ship). E) this argument isn't my cup of tea, but sure, I'll include it too. The new character Rose (?) added nothing to this film. It seemed like her only function is just to get Finn away from both Rey and Poe. Possibly because an executive was afraid of the mixed race romance (Rey/Finn) or afraid of the homosexual romance (Poe/Finn). F) Dear Lord, Snoke went from a significant threat in TFA to a High Hefner ripoff in TLJ. What the hell happened here? The entire threat of this enemy went out the window so Kylo Ren could kill him and what?! Again, this shows that Rian Johnson had no plans to care about anything already established in TFA at all. G) this is getting long already so I'll just throw in one last argument. A lot of the appeal of TFA was the new cast mixed with the old cast. People liked Rey, Finn, Poe and Kylo Ren. They liked seeing them interact with the old crowd. Obviously, TFA killed Han for story. And then TLJ killed Luke for story. Now, I know Leia's actress passed away and that wasn't controllable. But the vibe of TLJ feels very very different than TFA. It no longer feels cohesive as a SW film anymore. It feels like Rian Johnson wanted to say fuck the existing canon and do his own thing instead.

Rich coming from the same people who have a melt down if your "preferred pronouns" aren't used 🤣

@@mcameron6031 😄 yes that's rich coming from a group of people who had a major meltdown because they're dear orange leader lost an election fair and square therefore he couldn't become dictator of the United States for life.

@@grapeshot hmmmm, I seems to recall y'all crying in the streets (literally) and claiming the election was stolen in 2016........something something glass houses......

@@grapeshot Nice

@@mcameron6031 I seem to recall that Democrats did not try to overthrow the United States government January 6th 2016. But guess who tried to overthrow the United States government on January 6th 2021? I'll answer that question for you your kind so I will throw stones in a seditionist's glasshouse.

Good film tho, time worth spending

How many times have you watched it so far?

I was more talking about Marta here, not the other Thrombeys

Ranson tried to dispossess Harlan Thromby of his life (and thus all his property as well).

Spoiler alert if somebody clicked on this video and this comment and still hasn't watched Knives Out. dispossess: to put out of possession or occupancy (Merriam Webster dictionary) Ransom was trying to dispossess somebody. He was trying to pin the murder on Marta. Why? Because it would disqualify Marta from inheriting. Side note - In a case where the "current will" is invalidated, the older will will come into play and if there is no older will, we have estate probate rules for how an estate is split up. This is why Ransom swapped the medication rather than hiring a hit man or something. He needed to disqualify Marta. Ransom as attempting "to put out of possession or occupancy" the real heir, Marta.

@@jenniferhunter4074 My remark is a comment to the review. The *review* says that Ransom is painting himself as an outsider by trying to disposess the thrombys, but it is the 180 degree opposite. If Ransom's plan was successful, ALL of the thrombys would have regained their shares of the inheritance, not just himself. Ransom's only goal is to get his share of Harlan's fortune so that he can continue on with his spoiled playboy lifestyle. I know he's trying to disposess Marta, that's clear, but that's not what the remark in this review is about.

@@mischiefandmayhem8409 Think back to that scene where the will is read. We just find out that Marta is the heir and shit hits the fan. Marta is being chased by the Thromby family. She's in distress. What does Ransom do? Does he join the Thrombys or does he "help" Marta? We know the answer. He "saves" her by giving her an escape from the rest of the family. Ransom is pretending to side with Marta. All the audience knows is that everything is going to Marta. WE know that the Thromby's are very concerned about being disinherited. We know that Ransom "saved" her". What does it look like to us as the audience? Doesn't it look like what Pillar said? Now, naturally, outside the movie, we can make that argument that you push. But inside the movie, Ransom is pretending to be an outsider and he's definitely giving the impression that he's okay with Marta inheriting over him and his family.

to clarify, I'm not using 'liberal' here to mean leftist, progessive, or socialist - I'm more focused on it's original meaning (which is still a bit more dominant overseas) broadly meaning capitalist

I don't think we watched the same video. He is the establishment, in every sense of the word. Nothing about him upsets the status quo. Actual change still isn't happening.

@@Sadie-tr7lz “Ransom is Trump” That day meant Trump was going to leave. I’ve no interest in splitting lefty hairs on this.

Thank you :D

For clarity - I'm of course not saying Ransom is literally Trump, or a direct caricature. It's more that (IMO, as I lay out in the vid) the film uses him to obliquely explore Trump and Trumpism & argue for limitations

Thanks for the continuing support Sebastien :D

@@PillarofGarbage A part of me was like "Maybe I should just abandon this channel after he makes my Doctor Doom video." Lol. Nah, you seem to be a great dude and while I don't watch every video, every video I have watched has been excellent, and I'm especially glad you've gone in the "Dunking on conservatives" direction, although it is unfortunate that it makes you the target of hate. Anyway, I'll definitely be subscribing to your patreon once I get employed again!

Hi - at the moment it’s just a time thing. I generate the subtitles from the video’s script file, and which clips / which part of the clips I’m using isn’t finalised until the editing process is done, after which (at the moment) it’s usually a race against the clock to meet my regular upload time. I guess I thought there’s also the YT auto-generated subtitles to supplement my own - though thinking about it I guess that’s pretty inconvenient. I’ll do my best to sort this out going forward (And good note about the positioning of on-screen text, thank you)

@@PillarofGarbage Thank you for your consideration! Auto generated can sometimes be good enough, at least for me, FWIW.

@@PillarofGarbage I wanted to come back and say I do appreciate that you thought to include your own subtitles at all. A lot of folks don't, they lean on the KZfaq software that can be enough and is getting better but can also be utter gibberish. So just thanks for thinking of that in the first place, it does matter.

I did initially try a face-merge type thing but that... uh, that did not go well

Chris Evans was playing a-holes before he was cast in the MCU.

I know the words of some rando on the internet probably don't help much, but hang in there, things *will* get better 💗

I get it 😎

@@PillarofGarbage wow so intelligent You can understand my high form of comedy that mere mortals cannoy Edit: cannoy was a typo, but I’m just gonna leave it cuz I’m so cool and sick 😎

Ha ha ha ha😶

I read that as reflecting the way certain parts of the BIPOC communities did fall for Trumpist BS (for example, could be wrong, but I seem to remember Floridian Latinos being a big deal for Trump in the run up to 2020)

Not sure why you'd describe any analysis this guy does as "high quality". Bad faith argumentation, hero-worship of Rian Johnson, and reaching so far he may as well say that Knives Out is a 9/11 analogy. Based on the 4 videos of his I've seen, he has the intellected and analysis ability of a 12-year-old who thinks reading the first page of the Communist Manifesto makes him well-read. Not to mention he's clearly biased against cetain content creators, and is happy to lie & omit to attack his political opponents.

@@gurigura4457 I have to largely agree, the videos aren’t really “analysis” of movies as they are political commentary mixed with the pretty obvious themes of movies. And then a lot of the stuff is sort of a scarecrow-criticism-he’ll take one thing another reviewer said, or what a certain group is supposedly saying, attack that, and then declare victory for himself and the movie he likes. (Online trolls say ___ about this movie, lol aren’t they so dumb to not even understand it!)

Just to develop on what I meant by “fascist”. When the Thrombeys realize that their privileges are in danger, or more exactly that they would not have control other it (this is shown by Meg still giving the information about Marta’s mother after she assured her that she would take care of her financial problems), Ransom is not the only one to display fascist behavior. In his case and as you suggested, he is deceiving the working class by promising them solutions to false problems that will actually lower their statuts even more. Linda tries to demean Marta’s merit by accusing her of sleeping with Harlan, invoking reactionary Christian rethoric. Walt is literally threatening Marta at her doorstep with a cane, reminding us of far-right milices harassing strategies during the 1930’s. And as I said Meg, good old “crypto Marxist” Meg, straight off denounce Marta’s mother’s illegal status just like a good old French collaborator during WW2.

Except the Main character, murder victim , state trooper and Housekeeper were white people so go off I guess.

@@gamblorrr reminds me of a dude who said God of War Ragnarok had a "white people bad" message when 95% of that games main cast is white People who say this shit are either joking, or so incredibly dumb that they don't see simple faults in what they're saying

What specifically about it said “white people bad” instead of specifically “rich and entitled people with bigoted beliefs are bad”?

@@TheNinthGenerarion they can't even twist hating Tate into an anti white male thing either lol Tate is mixed

And the main character of the franchise Blanc is a good guy and he's white lmao

Miles is more Elon Musk

Since the video is more than 2 seconds long, maybe consider the possibility that there's more here than just that :)

@@PillarofGarbage Sorry that my critique was unduly harsh, because I've only just found your channel and have enjoyed your series on #Wokeism so far. But I was specifically referring to your analysis of that one episode of "New Girls" and the fact that it seemed to drag on for 27 hours after you'd long since made your point. "Knives Out' makes us feel good by showing the marginalised rejecting and defeating Fascism, just like we all assumed that Hillary would win, so don't get complacent." ...Thanks, your point is obvious, and you could have saved yourself a lot of editing and frustration. 🌻

At least Steven Universe is explicitly a fantasy show, lol.

Republicans aren't nazis, democrats however are communists.

I don't think anyone was saying it wasn't political, that's part of the problem

@@LSK2K so the people calling for the eradication of a minority aren’t fascists while the people who are doing nothing to really push back against it are communists? Both parties are right wing, with the democrats being more of a central right party and republicans being a far right party, there are no left wing politicians in congress, at most you have social democrats who are welfare capitalists.

Well, certain youtube viewers do so they can akshullay sound smarter than their peers :)

That is a really cynical take on what actually reflects one of the great things about American society: income mobility regardless of birth. Obviously new immigrants will have initial trouble adapting to a different culture, but that doesn't mean they won't be successful like Marta and become a nurse.