9:30, Maxx is still banned in the TCG, yes… but in Master Duel, it’s perfectly legal, and thus there is a non OCG format where you can use it

The major issue that prevents Yugioh from being tempered is less about cards with multiple effects as it is cards that refund their "cost" in card advantage immediately. Sky Striker was a top deck as recently as 2019 and even nowadays is still arguably rogue and the only card they have with effects both on-field and in GY is Raye, whose GY effect is a float that only is responsive in nature (Roze also has a GY effect but that is very rare to see). The central cards used to win games in Striker are Engage and Kagari, which are both quick and immediate +1s even though neither have any effect in the GY. But I digress. The main reason IMO for the ramp up with the game's sheer speed is how quickly every card pays for itself. Take for example a standard HERO Combo: begins with Faris which summons Enhance which summons Vyon which searches Poly and dumps Shadow Mist which searches Liquid Soldier which summons Shadow Mist which fuses to Sunriser which adds Miracle Fusion, etc. You went from 2 cards in hand to 2-3 boss monsters on field with zero need for extenders. And HERO isn't even a meta deck at the moment. The thing about "combo deck" is that it fundamentally means something different in Yugioh than it does in other games - in most card games when they talk about a "combo deck" they mean something that aims to use their game plan setting up a strong combo by creating a board state and then using the combo with multiple specific cards to push. In Yugioh, a "combo" actually only tends to require one starter card - maybe two or in rare instances three - because every other part of the combo automatically is brought to the board by the domino effect of the starter. Floating effects certainly do make playing a more grindy deck in Yugioh more difficult but really the main reason why the game became so turn 1 oriented is because of one card playmakers. Regardless of if you have a game with a resource system, or if each card only has a single effect, if there were a game where every single card you played let you immediately draw a card and it wasn't balanced around that then it would be a complete mess, and Yugioh not only has become such a game but it's actually not even "draw a card" but "search a card," maybe even "summon this card."

Digimon borrowed its system from Chrono Clash, not Fire Emblem Cipher. Cipher was more Duel Masters inspired. The now defunct Lord of the Rings TCG has a resource system where the good side cards add Tokens to the Twilight pool and the Evil cards subtract from the Twilight Pool. It's pretty neat.

I honestly love the resource system of Universus. The fact you make yourself more open the more your play cards really gives the game a massive risk vs reward scenario where you can go all in and if you don't kill your opponent, they can backswing and you would be defenseless. Or you can limit what you do on your turn, you can block your opponent's attacks. I love it and the fact the numbers actually matter on the cards

I loved seeing our box on display! The eyes look right at home. The Wyrdwarp core game doesn't really have a resource system. However, we do have some mechanics in our future expansions that act as a sort of "soft" resource system. Accumulating tokens or discarding extra cards to fuel more gamebreaking abilities or cast more powerful cards.

I believe one of the most unique aspects of yugioh that is somewhat overlooked is the extra deck. Having cards that you always access to is what I feel allows decks to always have gas and it makes variance feel a lot less impactful.

I can definitely understand that resource cards are not an objectively bad thing, but from my own personal experience, for the longest time the only card game I'd ever played was Magic. Mana cards were just a thing I kind of assumed were a staple part of card games. How else could card games work? Many years later, when I first played games _without_ dedicated resource cards it was like having lived in an era of oil lamps and suddenly having lightbulbs and electricity installed. "Oh wow, I can just turn on the light like this? Without all of that annoying faffing around?" It was a revelation. On a personal level, yes, I do feel that dedicated resource cards are archaic. I think Magic gets by because it's always been the biggest, most popular game, and as such many of its players continue to stick with it. I think Pokémon gets by because card draw is so prevalent that running out of energy cards is hardly a worry.

I don't know if there's enough in it for a whole Playing Around discussion because I only really follow mtg, but a comparison of card draw power, how card draw is balanced, and common game mechanics that have the feel of "draw-lite" (mill, exile-&-playable-this-turn) across different games could be interesting? maybe also talking about decking vs reshuffling, and discard to hand size vs discard all & draw to hand size?

I actually think the WoW TCG (not Hearthstone, the paper one) had the perfect solution. It had dedicated, but not required resource cards. There were cards that did things from the resource row, but anything could be face down as a resource. It never felt bad to draw them because you still got an effect of some sort (usually card draw), but you weren't overly punished for not drawing them since you could still play your cards anyway. It had the benefit of having a curve but not the downside of being able to miss it entirely. You know, until Cryptozoic fucked the game up royally by having quests all be underpowered and making aggro the only viable archetype.

It isn't necessarily that _players_ don't like dexterity games, though I'm sure there are players who do dislike them, it is companies, makers, investors, and distributors, that don't like them, which is why they don't get used. Besides the fact that dexterity mechanics introduce a skill floor to be able to reasonably compete, whether in tournaments or against established players at your local cardshop, and thus an additional barrier to entry for new players, there is also the issue of accessibility/inclusivity, a potential player who experiences regular and uncontrollable tremors in their hands can't play Bakugan with any consistency, while a potential player with vision issues that limit their depth perception is going to struggle to play Battleclaw, for instance. The skill floor and increased potential for playstyles/strategies in games with dexterity elements are great for competitive games/scenes and to let entrenched players show off their prowess, but trying to get such a game off of the ground in fthe first place and to keep it profitable is, while not impossible, considerably more difficult than for games without those elements. Games are meant to be played, but in order for the owners and makers of that game to keep making and supporting that game they need to be able to make money off of it, and new players are the primary income source for tabletop games, so from the business perspective it makes no sense to take the unnecessary risk of including dexterity mechanics

I think Force of Will does a great job at solving the problems that Magic's lands present while still having all the benefits...

Great videos! Maybe another game mechanic to talk about would be how different games deal with "damage", destroying monsters, attacking the opponent, avoiding damage, winning the "victory points" and so on, because there seems to be quite a lot of variation on that concept. So... Combat system mechanics, maybe?

Weiss/Schwarz is my new sweetness and the “any card as resource” there feels simple and sweet. I didn’t get into Duel Masters back in the day, but if I had, it’s something I would’ve like then, I think. Sucks that you drew hate for your analysis, I thought you summarized the pros and cons perfectly well. Important Note: Wind-Ups *were* super good. Nowadays they could unban the combos and it’d be a playable but still not super-meta strat.

With Yugioh I think it really depends on what level you wanna play it. Casual yugioh is pretty accessible, you'll see a lot of people are playing very basic decks like Dark Magician, Blue-Eyes, or a very casual variant of Destiny/Vision Heroes at any given lowkey type of locals. You won't really run into anything that insane at that level (aside from the odd hyper meta player here and there, but dif locals have dif ratios of that stuff) and even then, sometimes a deck looks flashy but doesn't actually... do... anything. It can give the illusion of impenetrability in that way also. Generally, it's not that hard to get into the game if you don't fixate on entering the higher level competitive formats. Thanks for addressing the Yugioh thing though, I noticed some of the other comments about it were pretty angry, so I was worried it gave the community a bad impression. I will say that in the future, perhaps it would be best to familiarize with modern yugioh a bit more, or have heavy discussion with people invested in it to get that perspective to avoid that kinda backlash. We're not THAT bad a group of folks usually, just a bit scrappy, lol. Good vid, Kohdok.

Imo a big but subtle issue with dedicated resource cards is they increase barrier to entry. Not just with the learned skill of tuning the amount but with how competent your deckbuilding overall has to be to account for how much "junk" you're forced to put in, even before any meta consideration.

vanguard has the ride deck btw, so grade stuck isnt as bad of a thing anymore due to the ride deck

I think it's worth noting that Yata Garasu when it was banned wasn't a good card itself in a vacuum it was only because of the combination of Chaos Emperor Dragon who has gotten a pretty bad errata as well as Sangan/Witch of the Black Forest who also got erratas(the latter two only that you cannot activate the effects of the card searched on the turn the card was searched). The infamous Yatalock being that you had a sangan or witch already on board from a previous turn, summon chaos emperor dragon through special summon pay 1000 life points to send all cards in the hand and field to the graveyard and then normal summon Yata Garasu and attack, Yata Garasu skips the draw phase of the player who was dealt damage by Yata, but Yata has very low attack.

I feel that something commonly overlooked with Yu-Gi-Oh! is the amount of both interactions and moves, that players make despite how relatively short some of the cards are. Though games with say control decks tend to last longer.

I'd be curious to hear about drawing mechanics. Pot of greed is forever banned in Yu-Gi-Oh, but Bill is relatively underpowered in Pokemon. The new Digimon turned every digivolution into an upstart goblin. Drawing is always good, but why in some games is it extra good while in some it's just okay?

I really enjoy the follow ups since you provide feedback in the comment section. I am glad the Expandable Card Game I designed will not utilize resource cards as like others have posted takes away from the match's experience and deck building process. I also feel if we can eliminate resource cards we can totally focus on how you play cards rather than did I draw a land when I needed to or did I draw something playable as opposed to a resource. I think another point to add about resources is that resource cards create balance issues in the long run as cards with great effects typically require a decent amount of resources. But as you mentioned in the top levels, decks run minimal resources because cards tend to be great when they do not require many resources cards to be active. This also allows you to play more threats or answers in spots where resources would be used in other decks. It takes away from the deck building experience because players are trying to craft decks in a way that runs just enough resources. Games that do not have resource cards can focus purely on the deck construction and unique card interactions. Games also become whoever can draw more action than resources. This is often seen in the older formats in MTG for example where even mana intensive decks run 19 lands.

I would love to see one of these on life point systems and alternate rules for winning and losing. Just an idea for another mechanic to possibly do a video on

I don't think resource cards are necessarily bad, but the fact that MTG and Pokemon are the top games I think just comes from the fact that MTG was the first, and Pokemon was early and is attached to a really successful franchise.

I just want to note that "Vampire: The Eternal Struggle" and "Vampire: Rivals" are two different card games. Other than that, you made good points.

you can't actually get gradestuck in game younolike anymore because there's a separate deck for your ride chain in the most-played format, but the game has gained other problems since then

I'd say the windup format was a pretty bad one overall for Ygo''s history. The game you don't like might never have taken off in the US if ygo wasn't bleeding off huge swaths of its player base when it came out. I won't say wind up was a bad as MTG' s combo winter but it is the dynamic that was going on around then. Ygo does show a good overall resilience and the little side format oasises around now do give players a place to park during bad formats. Edit Since YGO is a member of the big three and has major differences from the other 2 members it would be good to bone up on modern YGO. A colab or extended call with MBT Yu-Gi-Oh might be good for both of you. MBT given a little heads up on your wheelhouse would be an excellent guide. I know from 7 sins that you are more than capable of fantastic work and we can't know everything ourselves.

I'd really like to see a video discussing search mechanics in games, their pros and cons, as well as their becoming necessity in games like yugioh, or like just how playable demonic tutor is in mtg.

Let's see the Pokémon TCG Classic decks come in with 21 energies now.

I love these videos they are very informative

Ive come from yugioh to magic and love resource cards! especially getting the specific art i like or want to fit a decks theme. The slower more methodical gameplay and multiple formats keep it fresh if I dont like standered or modern I can go to commander. Instead of having archetypes based solely around preventing your opponents from playing the game I get to actually play my cards.

Not sure if it’s enough for a whole episode but I’d love for you to discuss alternate win conditions: Magic has things like coalition victory, Yu-Gi-Oh has things like exodia, etc.

What do you think of games that use a stockpiling resource like in Arkham horror or star wars destiny (or even Faeria, a criminally underrated online game)? It seems like a cool way to do resources and it does not really add much token wise but for some reason I don't see it used very often

I kinda liked the ressource system in that one TCG, you get another card for free, each time the opponent reduces your life points enough. (I don't remember if it was Digimon or something else.) It's just this wouldn't work in Yu-Gi-Oh, since if it was a crucial combo piece, then you couldn't search it out of the deck, since it is already face down on the table.

Another aspect to discuss might be something like summoning Sickness, and other aspects other than resources that pace a game.

Yata-garasu could have been unlimited during wind-up format and still do nothing.

Both types of mana screw was the worst feeling I had when playing Magic: the Gathering. Sure, it may have been a skill issue, but it still felt worse than anything that happened when I played, say, Hearthstone. I know, it may have been a skill issue, but there's a reason we don't play games on planks that hangs over a pile of dung, where the loser falls - sure, getting there might be a "skill issue", but it doesn't change the fact that it really stinks and we'd rather just play games that don't involve this sort of an experience. I get that some people don't mind that much, and that's fine. I also get that it brings some gameplay benefits that non-resource-card games don't have (which I kinda missed in Hearthstone). But saying people view mana screw as a flaw just don't understand something is simply wrong. Getting flooded with lands/not getting enough of them (while still having low-cost cards in hand) and then drawing poorly was some of the most frustrating experiences I ever had in a card game - it's basically losing on the first turn, without being able to do any of the fun stuff your deck does, without it being clear enough to instantly concede and just having it drag out.

Yu-Gi-Oh is impenetrable in the same way that calculus is impenetrable. It almost has its own language, and you can learn the inner workings of the game pretty easily if you're fluent in that language. But if you have trouble learning that language, then you're going to have a hard time learning the game. A lot of people (read that as "magic players") like to say that "Yu-Gi-Oh cards don't do what they say" or "the card text doesn't explain how to play the card", and that's simply not true. The card text explains how the cards work perfectly clearly, IF you understand the language underlying all of it. Yu-Gi-Oh doesn't have a comprehensive rulebook like magic does, but that's only _kind of_ an excuse to give up learning how to play. Learning the ins and outs of the game is completely doable for anyone that actually wants to do it. It mostly comes down to just playing the game and waiting for weird interactions to come up. You learn something from almost every game you play in the early days of playing. Hell, I've been playing for almost 20 years and I just recently learned the actual flow of effect activation/resolution and activation priority. As for the "cards you play twice" thing... I genuinely don't see how that's a problem. All that does is give you more things you can do when you decide it's time to do so. In Yu-Gi-Oh, nothing feels worse than a turn where you have to just say "I can't do anything" and just pass. More options is always better.

MTG has a term for a type of Bricking, "Mana Screwed" (missing too many Land Drops or lack of enough Lands in opening hand).

I’ve always been a fan of the way the WoW tcg and VS system did resources. Every card can be a resource but there are distinct resource cards so you can still play a resource per turn.

yeah about the whole 'doing things risks giving stuff to your opponent is a rare thing' rhystic study asks if you pay the 1.

If a typical starter deck is loaded with more resource cards than optimal for casual play, that's another example of a tutorial issue rather than a shortcoming of the card type itself.

So we've seen resource-cards-in-deck (Magic, Pokemon) which has the known problem of screw/flood even if your proportion is correct; we've seen Separate Resource Deck (Force of Will) which completely offloads the question of 'how much resource do you draw to play' to a player choice or even a nonchoice (for games that simply autoplay a resource from your resource deck each turn)... I wonder if there is some interesting middle ground. I wonder what it might be like if your resource cards were in-deck, but all of the *basic* resources came with a cycling-like effect. As a natural result, the benefit of playing 'special' resource cards could be partially balanced by the inability to cycle them out of your hand if you draw them late; this could make it a more nuanced decision of whether or not to play a lot of special resource cards. Or maybe some of the more modest special resource cards *can* cycle, but only 2-to-1-draw, so you can still benefit from their specialness with less risk. I wonder what sort of mechanics the game would develop to take advantage of that sort of play. It opens up some design space for effects that trigger on resource cycling, or even effects that shut *off* when you cycle a resource, to be more centrally placed in the game mechanics. It would make card drawing itself more interesting to balance (I wonder where on the Bill vs Pot of Greed spectrum it would land). Would the design be improved by allowing cycling of resources indefinitely, or would it make sense for there to be a limit per turn on resource cycling? Perhaps special resources could cycle just fine, but had some extra cost to cycle, like a life point cost or similar. Lots of possibilities. :)

Resources was a great topic to kick off this series. I hope you also get into Drafting and different winning conditions.

Grade stuck doesn’t exist in the standard format of Vanguard, They added a small stack of cards called a ride deck to the game. Basically you set 4 cards of different grades from your main deck aside and during your ride phase you can discard one card in your hand to ride up to the next grade. Bricking is almost nonexistent in the standard format

Hm... it might not seem like much but I'm interested by what you could say about deck size. I've been ruminating in my mind about what would be the smallest deck size possible to still make an interesting TCG experience. Anachronism worked with only 5 cards (though, in competition format, it was 2 out of 3 games so it was more like 15 cards) but thath ad a board to move around and dice too. How about alternative win condition? Either games where combat isn't the path to victory, or games that have combat but also othr ways to win?

Great videos Kohdok. Loving every one of them so far. To me, in my humble opinion, having resource cards like the lands in Magic is not a bad thing. Yeah, you could get mana screw/flood, but it also gives you full freedom to balance your resources in your deck as you wish. Depending on your style, the amount of mana varies quite a lot. It is a steeper learning curve, but if you make a well balanced deck then it's not such a big issue (also, mulligan rules are getting better/more forgiving lately). When resourse cards are "not an issue" then new issues tend to pop up. Not gonna say "dedicated resource cards in your deck" is a perfect system, superior to any other, but for the most part it works. Card games without resources tend to be too easy to break, in my personal experience. Anyways... Most of the time it's a matter of prefference, just as with any other game mechanic. Let's just have fun and learn from all the different systems all games provide. Have a nice day!

GREAT VIDEO

Wind-up Carrier is only banned in TCG format. Its completely fine in OCG and even in the digital game Master Duel cause they banned the card Wind-Up Hunter that was used with Carrier to hand loop the opponent

I know that resource-to-playable ratio is a skill-expressive facet of deckbuilding in these games, but it's still an unstable part of the game design, even then. I know we're talking about a card game, but the core mechanic to play the game shouldn't be a possible obstacle to playing the game. Hands of cards are random enough imo. Shuffling do-nothing resource cards in with the actual ones you're there to play just doesn't gel with me. Guess that's why I enjoyed Force of Will significantly more than MtG- the skill expression in the resource system was gameplay decision-making and not random chance weighted by deckbuilding decisions. You can get that deckbuilding skill expression and brick hands as a punishment for failing that requirement in any system with or without resource cards, but said resource cards are significantly more prone to cause brick hands by nature of their function.

I think it'd be fun to see a vid on fetch/tutor/combo cards. Maybe understand why yugioh is so gratifying to ppl. As a magic player who plays mostly standard I find combo decks to be meh and decks that dig for combos to be not fun so how does yugioh make a whole game like that fun?

Honestly I find the whole ressource system very annoying, in recent years mtg tried to fix this by introducing double faced cards that can be both a land on side and a non-land on the other side but still, you can't fill your deck with those. Kinda funny too how the introduction of companion who s basically something similar to the extra deck pretty much broke the game even though said companion did put a restriction on deckbuilding to the point they literally had to change the mechanic and ban most of the companions across format which pretty much tell how restrictive the ressource system is in general Also the only issue with wind up is wind up hunter, carrier isn't anything to write home about compared to everything we have now, its just that for some reasons they refuse to ban wind up hunter to make carrier legal again. Even in ocg they already have carrier at 3 and hunter banned and wind up literally did nothing on the competitive scene in those at least last 4 years(and maybe longer, its just that i don't remember much past that).

I know I'm extremely late but loved the video! You've already probably heard this 1000 times already, but just want to toss in my two cents and say that mana bricking is the exact reason why I was turned off MtG. As a novice player, my land card ratios were definitely off in most of the games I played (I was playing with modified prebuilt deck, so who knows how poor the starting land % was), so I constantly bricked while playing against opponents with well-tuned decks. Maybe if my local table was nicer it wouldn't have felt as bad, but I still had to helplessly watch myself get flattened without being able to see if my *actual* strategies were worthwhile. Totally fair to say that tuning your resource balance is a crucial skill in these kinds of TCGs, but when suboptimal builds result in being mostly shut out from playing the game, it's incredibly demoralizing to new players IMO. Ironically, I felt the same bummer trying modern YGO, watching my opponent crush me at the start of Turn 2 because I couldn't adequately intercept their plays on turn 1...Once again, maybe if my local table was more supportive (everyone else had loads of experience and no desire to coach a new player, outside of barking when I inadvertently broke a rule) I might've been encouraged to hone the skill of balancing resources more, but without that I was just watching myself get remorselessly trounced without any clear indication of improvement. I definitely appreciate that resource cards aren't a bad thing by default, but if someone's designing a TCG with a main deck resource mechanic, I would strongly urge you to find a way to accommodate novice players with suboptimal decks. If I have to climb over a learning curve for resource balance before I can even adequately judge if the rest of my deck is OK, I'd have to be *unnaturally* motivated to play that game in a neutral environment. I think if I was able to easily cycle out the bricks in my mana floods or droughts, it would've made losing much, *much* more enjoyable because I'd have been able to just play more cards in the process. Either way, thanks again for the vid!

Hey kohdok, I've been watching your videos for a while (this is my first comment) and I find them very interesting and make me think about several points about card games in general, I don't think the mana system has to cease to exist but I find it very interesting to play games that don't are based on them, I would like to see a video of you about Yu-Gi-Oh if I have the desire to play it again, if possible try to talk to MBT I think a video with you two would be excellent, I recommend watching his video in response to actman i think it could be a good reintroduction to yu-gi-oh. Edit: sry english is not my first language maybe some of my sentences are a bit wierd.

An argument could be made, that with yugioh, the monsters are the resource system. Especially with the multitude of summoning mechanics. Specifically requiring monsters on the field to be tributes, overlaid, tuned, or linked off.

1:40 Imma stop you right there Kohdok. I went yesterday to a Magic the Gathering Dreamhack Qualifier tournament and Flooding can happen to even the best players. I saw a match that would dictate who would enter top 8 in round 6. A saw a PREVIOUS JUDGE and a man who has played Magic at the highest levels have over 15 lands in play and 5 more landsin hand. A flooding of biblical proportions and it cost him the game and top 8. Like the dude even got to search off Wren and Six and still with the deck thinning drew into his last few hands. Sure in a casual sense, flooding and screwing is whatever. But at the highest levels it can feel so disheartening playing to your best of the abilities and losing because of the varience of how lands work in Magic the Gathering. It is soul crushing. Now of course like you've said, the way Magic handles resources isnt perfect, but when people bash resource cards it because of these expiriences.

03:51 and that is one of the reasons they are imo bad products. even if they are intro products, hell because they are intro products, they should teach new players the right way to build decks from their first experience.

I like resource mechanics as it lets you build your game in some cool ways.

Can you do one about multiple decks like yugioh with its' extra deck? Or maybe a short one on how much shuffling is to much, like magic and its' fetch lands?

hey can you make a topic about how many cards do you need in a tcg i am just curious

I understand what you're saying about building your deck around cycling and not getting mana-f'd, but if your resource system requires everyone playing to run full sets of those draw/cycle cards (as opposed to the cards they actually want to play), then the system is fundamentally broken at its core.

I thought your previous video was sound and thorough and I still see the likes bar overpowering dislikes so I'm surprised to hear it was controversial. There's a lot of factors to such a bubject and I very much liked your video. I think it sometimes isn't even a constant within the same game. For example, MTG alone is not immune to power creep so stronger effects made faster and more tools to get more mana can cause an average of less lands compared to 10 years ago. The ratios within a main deck make it harder to deck-build, but the deck-building stage of the game is on itself a fun challenge to many as some people often enjoy making decks more than they enjoy actually using them. That said, there is the mana flood/screwed scenarios that, even if they can be minimized, they are still currently impossible to completely avoid. This I can see how is can be enough to put a ton of people on the fense since 1 time it happening is one too many times for a lot of people. Then there's the pokemon tackle where the energy is equally bland but never the cost for the rest of your hand to be played. It is just the charge cost for abilities and attacks, which helps out a ton although it could perhaps be more interesting if it was to a point applied as playing cost JUST for the non-Pokemon cards, because otherwise the costs and restrictions are limited to once-per turn clauses or discards mostly...... It's not bad but it could work better. Force of Will's system is more balanced out but it is perhaps a bit too uniform and so a little more bland than MTG's method at the end of the day. A noble attempt but not one that feels any more enjoyable for me personally. Yugioh IS way too fast and it is my primary game in this list, but a resourse system would not be what I do to fix it. A resource system does not really prevent an overall powercreep or complexity creep when those are often made also in the spirit of trying to keep the game's ecosystem fresh and interesting rather than the same pace as 20 years ago. Resource systems the way the previous games I mentioned use them are a good way to balance a game but Yugioh didn't seem to need them particularly for the longest time. I think many of the key factors that have broken this game would still be a thing regardless of any ruleset that the devs would still find a way to break. Duel Masters' "any card as resource" model is very appealing to me, and I'd say having to choose which card to give up as energy instead of playing it as a card is a huge plus to the strategic side of things, rather than it being a downside. What I would actually say is a downside would be that such a model makes the "resource" potential of each card be a secondary trait that can only go so far in favor of anything else the card can otherwise do. You can't exactly "add 4 basic lightning energy cards from your discard pile to the hand" with an effect. I guess it is possible to have cards still be especially dedicated to be that "double colorless" or something but it somehow seems less plausible in this game.... not that I'm very experienced with this card pool, there might be but it seems like this game's system would not be the type to accelerate the mana zone (from a first glance at least). The pros and cons are everywhere so it is very hard to choose what the best thing would be. Though there is still this constant pursue of trying to come up with something that can make the most of all these cool benefits from successful games while minimizing the downsides without killing the joy in the process. I've been breaking my head on it for a while xD

V:tES came out under the insensitive name of Jihad in 1994. It didn't take all that long to change the name, or lose the Deckmaster logo on the bottom of the card back.

I love Yugioh but I completely agree with you. Going full throttle is pretty fun but it also enables alot of turn crazy combo decks to make a whole load of boss monsters with negates/disruptions where player 2 has to either "draw the out" or play through all the negates then still have enough gas in the tank to do their combo. Ishizu Tearlaments dodged this problem by making every card usable on turn 0. I can't speak for everyone but alot of players do enjoy a good control mirror grind game, with a lot of back 'n' forth over sh1tting out a whole load of crap on turn 1 and player 2 needs the non-counterable Board Breakers to break through and then do their combo.

I've been OOTL on Speed Duel for a while. Are new expansions still being released for it?

Wait, you are an American who knows and even seems to somewhat like the Snooker? Wasn’t expecting that. Keep up the good work.

The last Yu-Gi-Oh deck I put serious consideration into trying to finish was a _Crystal Beast_ deck. I stopped playing before the XYZ summons where a thing let alone anything else that's come out since then. I neve did finish my Crystal Beast deck... . 12:24 Huh, I'll look into Vampire: The Masquerade Rivals a bit more later. I really enjoyed V:TES but it was hard to get groups together to play it. 13:08 The original name was "Jyhad". It was changed because of the religious subtext the name has. Thanks for the video Kohdok.

Ok soooo, I made my previous comment on the general subject as I had barely started the video (though I still will please ask you to not skip it if you have the time, this post is for something else xD ). I'm in minute 9:00 and I wanna talk a little more specifically about Yugioh for a sec. I don't mean to sound bashful or inquisitive at all, I just would like to explain some context about it. Since Yugioh has no resourse system, both players can start a combo right away with their hand resources, which means more commonly nowadays they are likely to receive an interruption attempt from the opponent as early as turn 0, so many of these GY second uses are meant to get the strategy back on track to complete at least the amount of the setup needed through it to not leave an auto-losing board by the end. A decade ago, an Effect Veiler turn 1 could kill a turn outright if they negated your Normal Summon's effect, nowadays people can get harsher disruptions. GY effects are often either restricted to an archetype and dependant on a specific action to happen before they can trigger, or they outright cannot be done the turn they get sent to the GY. Back in the Synchro era (my favorite time to play Yugioh, from 2008 to late 2011) is when GY effects started to become more of a thing, and you could argue that this WAS the main resourse system. Taking something like my old Flamvell deck as an example. Turn 1 you could play Flamvell Firedog that thourgh some action can search, say, Flamvell Magician, which before that turn ends lets you make a Stardust Dragon and see where the game goes from there. By turn 2 you might need something like Shrink or Book of Moon to have another copy of the same play achieve the trigger, and by your third turn you are low on hand and maybe field if the opponent pushes back every turn (and any serious players of the time would be). Here's where you maybe would fire the card "Rekindling" with the busted effect of "revive all the Flamvells you can fit that you've used so far" and give you an explosive 2 Synchros with 1 card, but only after you went through the earlier grind. I personally miss the GY effects of this sort in Yugioh because they required early game grind and mid-game payoffs through the remnants of said plays left behind. Wind-Ups started decomposing that pacing via effects that more readily got things straight from the deck without wasting that early time. Your Wind-Up play if anything was potentially stronger turn 1 than it would be turn 4 in that same game, if there even was a turn 4 after the loop. I think the Xyzs that is banned should be back into the game in favor of Hunter getting banned instead, like they already are in Japan's banlist. Nowadays the fact it swarms a lot of monsters isn't the main issue, but Hunter enabling the hand-emptying loop of Wind-Ups keeps the Xyzs on the banlist here after all this time. That is the context on why the some parts of the game are the way they are. Modern decks could not exactly turn back the clock from the Wind-Up days, so whenever Pandora's box is opened in Yugioh, it doesn't really close again. Even if the deck gets banned to oblibion the game is bound to even out the field regardless and eventually make it the new standard. TeleDAD was a tier 0 deck so powerful in 2008 that I could not even imagine anything else ever getting close to that level of ridiculousness. Fast forward 15 years and I think I could beat it with 3 copies of any Structured Deck Konami's made in the last couple years (even the Crystal Beast one). Before this month, Tearlaments were the best deck, and a lot of people enjoyed it but it is a tier 0 deck so take their critisism with a grain of salt as they more often than not had fun by playing mirror matches since nothing else really stood a chance. A lot of people like tier 0 formats, but I think it is much more common for people to prefer diverse ones, even if this often is the side of the more casual players, I think it is worth keeping the info in mind for this one.

Maxx C is banned in the TCG format only. That is the in store out of Asia one. Master Duel, the online format I play, Maxx C is legal.

Impenetrable is a good term to describe modern Yugioh. Where other games limit you to playing 1 resource card per turn, Yugioh's limit is "1 Normal Summon per turn." Yes, it is still an important limitation that players consider during deck building, but its nothing like it used to be in the early days of the game. Old Yugioh was just as "slow" as MTG, as the only decent way to "special summon" a monster was with cards like Monster Reborn, which were not abundant. Fusions and Rituals were always gimmicks considering how difficult it was to set up and how many cards you had to pay for it. The only decks that bothered with cards like that had ways to bypass the cost and were pretty much all banned later. You already discussed the problems with set rotation, but for a game like Yugioh that is now 20 years old, that means 20 years of power creep. Yes, the most broken cards are banned (including a ton of old cards), but when you compare the average power level of an old common to a new one, there's no contest, the new cards make the old ones look like a joke. Every time they unban a card like Yata every old player has a heart attack, but sure enough it doesn't matter at all, nobody plays it, because it's infinitely worse than 100 alternatives.

Mana flood/screw isn't a skill issue, it's a game design issue, because if your game isn't fun until you have a lot of experience, then really, your game just isn't fun. Who's going to play a game they don't enjoy long enough to learn what they need to do to make it fun? And then beyond that, your game still might not be fun if it feels like you have to spend too much of your deck space on certain kinds of cards that have evolved meta status because they fix the part of the game that isn't fun. When I'm building a deck, I usually want to do so to a particular theme. I don't want to have the same core 80 cards covering all the basic functions a deck needs to have and then just 20 cards functioning as the actual theme engine. Staple cards like draw power being used to fix known problems in resource card systems just creates a new problem.

So time for a pick one: Life decking or Resources in the deck?

Do "Playing around" about combat systems, specifically monster summoning vs. One hit cards like Universes or flesh and blood

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you'll never be able to convince me resource cards are a good thing

Professor's Research i.e. Professor Oak...again 🤣🤣

10:01 Yayagarasu is modern equivalent of Bolt the Bird

I still think that the duel masters system is the best one.

Keyforge doesn't use a resource system at all. I believe that it is unique (yeah I know its a bad pun) amongst card games in the genre not to have a resource system preventing the play of cards. Cards are instead balanced by either (providing Aember when the are weak - the win condition) or providing restrictions or a negative (like gaining chains). Plus you can only play cards from one of your three houses. Its a very different balancing system for the way cards are costed.

I know it’s not competitive, but I really like the Marvel Champions style where every card in hand is a resource if discarded. You can always play something, might not be what you really want, and you have to choose a direction every turn.

*Game you no like HAD problem called gradestuck. The ride deck REALLY streamlined the experience, so now it's never a matter of your deck not doing it's thing, it's just that it might not do it WELL.

Yugioh does have a resource system. The resource system of yugioh is the monsters themselves. Thats why every extra deck costs 2 cards so you go -1 for extra deck summons. Thats also why draw is so prized in yugioh. Yugioh is about card interactions as you said and a lot of that is taking smart -1 plays. And Maxx C is still banned in the TCG yes

Mechanic for future video would be win conditions such as life points or victory points.

Well considering that Richard Garfield, THE FATHER OF CCGs, has come out himself and said that Mana being in the main deck of Magic is one of its biggest flaws design wise, amongst other things, I think Resource hate IS valid. The problem with Resource in any game is that it completely removes skill and really makes winning dumb luck. One can have a perfectly locked down win but just cause your deck says "nope your next mana isnt for 6 turns" you lose, through no play error of your own. As you said many games have tried to "fix" Resource problems, most notably I think Force of Will got the closest to fixing the problem, although Id make a change to even that system to have it perfect imo. In FoW i would have the first "mana" of the turn be free, so everyone is always on curve. THEN you could tap/spend your leader for the deck if you wanted to accelerate your mana. This makes it a trade off as since a good number of FoW decks are designed around their Leader being the lynchpin. So you either keep your commander for attacking doing other things OR you accelerate your resource curve. Also my favorite CCG of all time, yes even more so than MTG, Warlord Saga of the Storm, is getting a relaunch and is for the most part a resourceless game and plays so much better than MTG or Pokemon IMO. Edit: 1:44 Yeah NO Mana Flood/Drought is NOT a "skill issue". And yes I know the response is "It is cause you just dont know how to properly mana curve your decks". MTG/CCG/Game player for nearly 30 years at this point. When a core game mechanic has intricacies that can mess up a 1st time players game, and that same intricacies can complete mess up a long time veteran simply cause enui/chaos/entropy decides that the next 5 cards are lands that is NOT a "skill issue". And I wont sit here and entertain the idea it is cause it flat out isnt. When the phrase "Top Deck Wins" is such a ground in trueism in magic its not a skill issue on anything pertaining to drawing.

I will say every game I ve played has resouce, most not in the way you think like yugioh. yugioh's uses action economy in the form of 'you can only normal summon a monster once per turn, also, while yugioh lets you play any amount of spells and trap cards you are limited by spaces on the board. You can have your whole deck in your hand but you can only have 5/6 continous/field spells/traps in play at once. Action economy is also a form of resouce even if it's not always physical.

Grade lock, it's called grade lock, and it dosen't exist anymore kohdok

I've been playing a lot of Yugioh online recently, and personally I like that many decks have cards that have more than one use to them. Because there aren't many turns in a game, there is very little natural drawing, so only decks that include a lot of card draw effects, such as Runick, even think about the idea of drawing more than their starting hand. Many games are really about playing with your grip of 5 vs your opponent's 5, so having cards with extra grave effects is a good way to keep the game live even when both players might have empty boards and hands. Otherwise the game would turn into just the first person who can topdeck their combo winning. Because so many engine need just a little bit of fuel to start up again, having a free search after having your board broken is a way to guarantee the game has a little more back and forth. An extreme example of a deck that can just keep going is the one you mentioned, Tearlaments, that only created those long and interactive back and forth games because it was an insanely powerful deck that would basically never run out of resources. A Tearlaments deck is never truly done comboing until the pilot is dead.

Welll .... I love resources, however I think Warcraft TCG did it best (with locations, quests and in a pinch you cna use that 9 mana card to allow yourself to play the 5 mana card). However Yugioh has its advantages as well (I do wish they wouldn't print ridiculous cards - now we have a contact fusion card that negates THRICE each turn .... not sure if it will be any good, since it's Gate Guardian support, but it looks really good as a standalone monster once it's on the field).

btw gameyaknow even has way of making players not getting gradestuck ergo gassist that exists in older formats and eternal format. in standard we dont need it cuz we got ride deck

I still play Yu-Gi-Oh!, but it's more a game of Solitaire now. Turn one, go for full combo, hit a couple of interruptions, pull through them, boom! Full combo, GG, time to scoop

Kohdok have seen Hermitcraft TCG on youtube Vintage beef made card game on minecraft smp server

I was in 5th grade when YuGiOh got big. I also loved pokemon but I stopped wanting pokemon card explicitly because the resource cards were lame to pull from a pack. I always preferred YuGiOh and would cite that as the primary reason. I chose cards based mostly on "pretty" which might play into other peoples' perspectives, certainly the collectors

On Yu-Gi-Oh, it really depends on what deck people are playing, if they're playing anything control oriented, you might be in for the long haul

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one big problem with resource cards is they're often the least interesting to look at. I mean which is more exciting to draw from a purely visual sense? A dragon lord spewing flames, a cute mascot or a coloured orb that represents an element. Heck when you open a bunch of booster packs, you're guaranteed a bunch of cards that will be pure chaff on every level because many resource cards are made to appear a minimum number of times per pack (a nessessary requirement to allow new players to build a deck, but still annoying once you start chasing cards)

Vampire's TCG was first released under the regrettable title of Jyhad, after an equally regrettable bit of in-setting terminology.

I absolutely hate combo being the top of meta, so resources are integral to my ideal card game. Dedicated resources may or may not be the best solution (as i said before, i like the any + quest method that WoW used), but a lack of resources altogether makes me bounce off a card game, because i have to learn the use cases for every single card in existence instead of seeing a [4BB] cost and realizing I probably won't be playing this first turn.

best deck in one with 35 resource card and 5 monster cards.

The possibility of mana flood/screw in Magic is not a bug it's a feature. The fact that it's so variable means that it's possible for a novice to beat a master In fact, the most popular format is *designed* to maximize variance

Maxx “c” is in fact still banned 😢

Honestly even as a yugioh fan i think the game is mostly impregnable. I tried using both floo and sky strikers in the past without learning what they do beforehand and got overwhelmed. That's why i mainly play gren maju since that deck doesn't really have strings of combos you need to learn to play the deck. The main reason i didn't move over to magic is because they don't have a free simulator like yugioh has (all unofficial tho obviously.) If i played magic I'd have to get magic arena since I'm far away from any card game scene which might not be so bad. But I'm worried about what deck i want to even play in magic. I hear burn is simple and bogles is like gren maju so those are my 2 main choices not counting certain commander gimmick decks.

Thank you for casually clowning on Yu-Gi-Oh!