Super convincing indeed, but you know how much of us laptop shredders you would amaze actually trying to achieve the same only with plugins. A video on that would be awesome. Hats off for your work sir!

@@FlyingMachete take you're DI and spectrum match it to another guitar. I found free multi tracks online and used those , I have the spectrum of a bare knuckle aftermath and a Seymour duncan nazgul . Anyways spectrum match then flip the phase, into a new amp and IR that are close in character. print you're amp tone then flip youre phase again. Use two different amps and IRs but make sure they are close enough to compliment each other rectifier and 6505 are great combos as well as driftwood purp nightmare and a 6534+ ,all amp sims . But this method works well I've tested on two tracks already

If you "un-delay" the Mimiq double tracked emulation signal a few miliseconds, you'll get a more realistic/balanced double track effect. Mimiq's algorythm adds random pitch and delay changes to a copy of the original signal (higher "tighness" values add longer ms delays and wider pitch differences), but it will never add a negative delay (as that is "scientifically" impossible). So the idea is that you "record" that processed signal into a track and then zoom in untill you can compare peaks against the original signal side by side and move the audio clip back a few ms manually until they are aligned somehow (some peaks will happen before the original, and some will be after, that's the sweet spot!). This way you won't get the typical "unbalanced" volume effect that results from our ears perceiving the "sooner" signal (original DI) louder. When you do this, the double track effect is undistinguishable from a real double tracked recording. You can't do this live, but it can easily be done when recording with this quick post-processing trick! Try it out and let me know what you think! 😉 I'm not a big fan of polarity switching, as it can cause phase and/or mono compatibility issues. I also recommend to repeat this process 1 track at a time with the same settings. You will always get a totally different resulting double tracked signal from the same original track, as the MIMIQ pedal's algorythm is constantly applying random changes. That's why it works so great when used live!

you said one track and I hear bass ;)

The riffing and some of the drums bass all mixed in sounds a lot like 'Bloodbath - Eaten'! That is a compliment!! 22:15 - both my grandmothers are dead, so are my grandfathers...lol Although, my great grandmother was around until my 16th bday and I just barely remember my great great grandmother when I was 4!

The Sisyphos part of every metal guitarist‘s life 🤪

True! That's why I gave up metal guitar. I unwittingly witnessed Dimebag/Pantera in a tiny bar with only 3 patrons,counting myself. Afterwards,I could never get a bigger,better monster tone. My guitar sighed like an un-fulfilled woman. So now I just play blues or country🤣

especially when you fuck around with your settings and forgot to save them...

I fell for it for so long too. As an amateur everything… (musician / audio engineer / everything like everyone else these days) … it was ridiculously grueling. Because trying to get an engle sound on zero money will basically just ruin your soul. Lol. Everything is pretty different now… we can afford at least some of the best stuff even pros use these days so better sounds can be achieved easier at home now. But chasing tones like Danny Carey’s drums from Lateralus and guitar tones from super expensive studios and meshuggah and all that… yea. Not so easy in garageband in your parents basement on like, the worlds cheapest shit. Anyway, moral of the story is now when I listen back to my old recordings… literally the only music that still stands was the stuff I recorded that was just all me, and using whatever tone was quickly inspiring and worked. Most of anything i worked on back then in which I tried super hard to get super modern “great” amp sounds and such all sound like a kid exploring shit he doesn’t know… and not so musically compelling. The songs I thought were so cool that it didn’t matter much how i recorded it, but rather needed to get down the flood of ideas I had… those are some of the only ones that still stand. The song is just too cool to remotely care i didn’t shave off the top end sizzle-slush in the distortion. It literally doesn’t matter in so many cases. And honestly some of the absolute best tones i got, were just totally me and almost haphazardly. I would obviously try to record pretty well no matter what but yea. I really really recommend people just being themselves. Don’t chase anything too much. Your creative self will get lost. It really will. There’s nothing wrong with making sure you have a great sound but do it in chunks or something. Work with others who will help. Get feedback. And stick to it for a while and only change shit if you actually hear a change or it genuinely sounds bad. Let others bother with the super microscopic stuff.

Yes Bro ! I love the real sound of two guitars playing two different things. But this maybe Will be an alternative to records guitar alone sometime. Sorry my english

@@Chiavenatto Anyway Mimiq + different amp is a perfect solution for live one guitarist bands 👍

Shouldn't your Dry knob be completely to the left for a unity gain signal?

What you do is still record a left and a right track, but use this to make sure you've got two takes of the left and the right for every single real take.

Same here man! You’re welcome! 🤘❤️

Isn't he always? 😂

Never double track guitar again on your songs with drum samples.

I’ll let him know!

​@@KohleAudioKultTell him that preamp tubes color the sound and see if he pops 😂

I don’t really think Fricker is running a recording/studio channel anymore. It’s more of personality show. I come here to actually learn how to record/do it better. Not a dig against Fricker. It just feels less and less recording focused these days.

Sure!

I forgot to add the link to you and the Kourse! 🫣 will do now

@@KohleAudioKult damn youuuuu

So you detune then retune your di before the amp sim ? What about after the amp sim ? I will try that.

@@AndJesusSayWTF I just detuned it and re-tuned the DI before adding the amp sim, but I did leave it out of phase, re-reversing phase after the sim. It appears that the pitch algorithm is not able to perfectly reverse whatever micro-changes it originally made to the waveform when pitching it down, and those subtle differences seem to be why it works. The reason I didn't do it after the sim is because I assumed the distortion would sound weird. But maybe not! Let me know how that works out.

@@nikht0 No, you're definitely correct. I've done the same thing; it works. I found that even one semitone either way works fine. Mind you, the problem is that pitch-shifting plug-ins have unfortunately gotten too much more accurate over the years and the 'micro-changes' you mention are getting ironed out. I just use an ancient BOSS Pitch-shifter pedal and the result is exactly how you describe.

@@maxduncan4473 I didn't use a plugin, I used the re-pitching/time-stretching tool that comes with Ableton Live, which is actually licensed from Elastique. (I used Ableton Live 11 and for now at least, it still works). Other DAWs that have the exact same Elastique tools built into them are Logic Pro, Cubase, FL Studio, Reaper, Bitwig, Tracktion and Cakewalk. It's pretty cool that this works so well, eh?

Thanks for the kind words!

For Quads this should be even easier! I don't think I will record quads anymore unless someone forces me to.

@@KohleAudioKult Kohle, are you giving prizes away on Telegram as depicted above in the comment above? I had no faith in it but I thought I'd check with you in case I did win a fabulous prize.

@@richardrofacale4557 It will be a scam if its anything telegram. Quite common and hard to keep blocking as it comes back in a slightly different form.

It is called Haas trick and it will sound phasey in mono, as you don't change the source signal, only shift it a bit

It usually takes days to do a proper rhythm guitar session, to play all the doubles perfectly. Moving a mic and twisting some knobs takes me three minutes.

If you set it to 2 dubs, and turn the dry all the way down you can make the Mimiq affect both the left and the right signal simultaneously

Ehhh it looks like the Nembrini doesn't really do the exact same thing the Mimiq does when its in stereo... another KZfaqr did a deep dive into the specifics and the Mimiq does some real crazy shit with the outputs left and right, not merely just delaying one track or another. Unless you'd wanna show that the nembrini can do the exact same thing then idk.

Why do you comment when you havent’t even tried the Nembrini? It does not merely just delay one track or another. It does the same thing Mimiq does. Try it, it’s free for 14 days.

Same here

Do you run two different amps/cabs as well? How much of a difference does the pedal make in addition to that? I might get one for live shows as well, I'm the only guitarist in my band, already running a stereo setup.

@@josuastangl7140 Yeah I use two different amps/cabs, One a little brighter and one a little darker. I used to split it through a stereo chorus pedal until the Mimiq came out. Made a huge difference sounding like two separate guitars.

​@@jgmopar damn maybe I have to get one. John Browne of Monuments uses the Mimiq model in the Helix live for essentially quad tracked guitars.

The HM2. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gdB9rMeF1Zm-nKM.html&ab_channel=OscarJordan

You’re welcome! Next week there will be another video about this. Stay tuned!

I attempted something similar with an aby pedal when i used to play live. On my side i ran path A into a Marshall head and a peavy cab. Path B went into an engl head and a Frankenstein cab. Our other guitarist ran his into a bogner head and a Marshall cab and his other path into a peavy head and blackstar cab. Not sure if it really sounded quad tracked but you couldn't help but grin uncontrollably when playing through either rig lol

Yes, always.

@@maxduncan4473 That’s what I was thinking the entire video… if it doesn’t sound okay in mono also, then this whole experiment is basically pointless.

@@personalfreedom2700 Very much so. There's a million ways of creating 'pseudo stereo' or even doubling tracks, but making it mono-compatible is so often the deal-breaker.

at this point I've resigned to just commit to double-tracking things organically. Every time I've thought I found the solution to double-tracking with just one take and some trickery (using delays, detunes, haas effect, I even had the Mimiq pedal too) ... it sounds like ass in mono. Mono is so important because you don't get to decide what form your listeners will hear your music from - so if it's summed to mono (let's say in a mall or a store), you don't want horrible phasing issues to be present and ruin the track for people.

@@lilSchmoob yeh same, i use a different guitar for double tracking also, sounds way fatter and organically removes phase issues

Audio Assault has a multi take plugin. And they have a double track 'simulation' option in almost all of their guitar plugins. Just get one of those, it's pretty good. It has the same limitation as this method in that it breaks down quite a bit in mono.

If you have Axe FX 2 or 3, just buy Mimiq pedal, and insert it into loop, add as a block between drive / tube screamer and amp, and you'll get the same results. Still, due to linearity of the digital models, it's best to use real amps, since tubes tend to add that chaotic variable into the whole thing, makes the difference between the takes even more obvious = more separation but still tight. I found that this doesn't work the best with modelers. I have Axe FX 3, and 3 amps, and amps work better.

I also do this, always use one track and use different amps and eq

6 is a lot, I tried 3-5dB and already liked that a lot!

@Sonicdrive Studios has a great video of this EQ trick.

I didn’t even know it existed. Thanks!

Oh really? That might explain some of the comments that seemed rather odd to me. 👍🏻

The last firmware update for Mimiq pedal was released on 2019-11-26 and it didn't make much difference, LOL😂 TC Electronic tech team members know about the phase and panoramic issues produced by Mimiq pedal (at least from my e-mail conversation with them I had about a year ago) but they seem to don't give a sh*t about that.

🤘🖤

Sounds like you’re having fun! 🤘🖤

Thanks! I didn't even know there was a Mini version.

@@KohleAudioKult Don't get the mini. Stick with the full pedal. The effect just isn't the same without the channel separation. It just sounds like phased latency.

Have you tried the Captor X stereo out double tracker? It has an algorithm for double tracking that effectively does automatically what your workflow sounds like, with adjustable parameters. It also has an included program called “wall of sound” to test out the stereo double tracking… of course the final sound will all be a cab simulation and not real speakers, but can be a nice blending layer to throw in a track.

@@personalfreedom2700 If it's available for Reaper, I probably will give it a crack at some point. I tend to be a real-amps-with-mics guy (nothing again simulators, though), so it'd be a bonus if the signal chain allows for direct output pre-cab simulator.

@@maxduncan4473 Yeh i think the stereo double tracker effect is all part of the final simulation … i just use it as stereo field addition to the blend of my analog tone

I forgot to mention I was actually inspired by the comments. So thanks for that!

@@KohleAudioKult I've mentioned this pedal as well. I'm glad you heard us!

I fully agree! Better spend your time on the creative stuff!

Man, the Mimiq pedal just adds some constant short delay to the wet channel. It doesn't make a real double tracking. I've got one and I know what it sounds like. It can be useful for live playing but not for studio work. Don't be fooled by the promo stuff.

" literally one of the “best” mixed albums of all time the black album has phasey guitars all over it so…." That doesn't invalidate their concern though. What if they hate exactly that sound from the best mixed black album?

Thanks! The comments about Mimiq under the last video inspired me to check it out! 🤘

If you only have one guitarist in the band, I’m sure Mimiq is killer. At least for bigger shows where people actually hear both sides of the stereo field.

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Win/Win 🤩

@@KohleAudioKult indubitably

You’re not the first to say this!

Boom!