Wanna improve your drum editing skills? Let me know! 🥸

I remember when Kohle was editing drums on Termination Redux (Aborted) and Sven and I sat behind him and just started laughing out loud because Kohle’s editing skills were so ridiculously fast that it looked like when you hold down enter in windows when a pop up won’t go away. Crazy skills, legend.

I'm so used to manual editing that i simply ignored learning about slip editing. My life is now changed forever hahaha

A trick I really like for reaper that I’m sure most daws have a form of, when you put all the tracks in a bus it shows a waveform of all the tracks combined in the blank bus track so all of your shells are clear and sharp and in one spot, as opposed to how in overheads sometimes toms or softer hits can look softer and not have as clear of transients

I'd love to see a comparison between different levels of editing for a song. Like full on-the-grid, partially-edited and raw (in the context of a full mix). It'd be interesting to see the differences in feel and dynamic. Same thing with the same song recorded with and without a click track.

I love manual drum editing. For whatever reason, it's relaxing. I definitely prefer the end result to any automated method

I have not tried editing an actual acoustic drums but am struggling with a MIDI file recorded by a drummer who does not understand notes and quantizing. It's true that this is the most time consuming instrument to mix / edit. I am a guitarist and used to be really stressed out putting my guitar in place on the grid. Now, after spending a week on just a single MIDI drum track, I probably will never feel bad editing guitars again (with the exception of tone /Eqing it).

Learned something new! "Slip editing", that's gonna really make it faster for me, thanks!

It blows my mind that videos like this are so rare on KZfaq (or I just haven’t come across them!) amazing tips! Can’t wait to join kohle audio kult 🤙🏻

that’s a great idea, lots of mixing videos out there, but it always starts with great tracks... doing records, at least for me, is spending far more time recording stuff in small increments, comping, beat detectiv-ing drums and elastic audio stretching guitar DIs, than actually doing mixing lol

Thank You Kristian for this video ! I tried to find the shortcut to have the scissors directly with a command without always reaching to it on the toolbar and never really found it, and now, not only did you give me 3 awesome shortcuts to save so much time, but I also learned the existence of the "Slip Editing" wich I didn't know at all. That's so great ! Vielen Dank !!

It's also a good idea before doing any editing to save the session as "Raw Drums Tracks." Then as soon as you start editing, save the session as "Edited Drum Tracks." That way you don't accidentally save over the raw natural performance, just in case.

I wish I knew this two years ago. Thank you very much for the tips!

I am so glad you are working in Cubase because it seems all tutorials I see use Logic or ProTools. For me it is very hard to do the drum editing because I am not that good at metal drumming....so if the hits of the snare drum and the bass drum are actually not really in the same spot, that means I HAVE TO move the tracks out of phase, or no?! It is frustrating because even if a take felt really good and on time, the hits are really all over the place. Playing on click is so incredibly hard. Also I just realized that this video came out yesterday at the perfect time for me :) Thanks

I bought the course. Heh answered a lot of questions. I do have one though. You edit the snare hits from the overheads. That aligns the snare on the grid. But what about kick? Move down to the kick drum,keep them all grouped and grid the kick drum based on the kick track?? Course is friggen great. 😊

Kohle it is important to note that scrolling with SHIFT key only works if "Automatischer Bildlauf" is activated. So if it doesn't work for you, press (F) to activate this. Because I was just wondering why it didn't work for me.

Never thought to make a shortcut for "toggle triplet." Trying this on an editing session now!

Wow! Never did the slip mode editing thing, have to check it out. And thanks for showing the relevant shortcuts, pretty impressive skills you've got!

You're quick! Must have done this a time or two before. Thanks for the tips and advice, Kohle! 🤘🤘🤘🤘

Would love to know how to "slip edit" in Pro Tools. Ive been editing drums in Pro Tools for over a decade and didnt know you could slide the clip that way. Obviously it's not simply selecting slip mode, but there's got to be some other selection in order to slide the clip the way you did at 12:48 in this video.

Does anyone know how to do the slip edit in pro tools? How can I move the waveform within its region? Cheers!

So, the first thing, about moving all the tracks, often my internal kick mic doesn't line up with the kick hits on the overheads, for example. I have no choice but to pull the kick mic forward about 80 samples, but when I do so it makes it so they do line up, and they line up throughout the entire sequence. This is just starting from kick and 2 overheads. It's also set up in a way that it's 180° out of phase, but I correct that by flipping the phase of the overheads. There's no way around both of these things though, other than having some kind of box to delay the kick mic by maybe 2 milliseconds or so, and also using a reverse polarity cable on the kick mic. I don't have the equipment to do this. That said, my kick is recorded internally by a mic very close to the batter head and with a heavy piece of high density foam covering the front of the kick drum, so that I can record with the front head off but still have the low end controlled. This isolates the hell out of it. My kick tracks have basically no bleed. Snare close mics are a different story, but I fortunately have a heavy snare hand and the most obnoxiously loud 9mm handgun of a snare drum, so a pair of mini k47s, set to figure-8, in Blumlein, with a heavy panel hanging right over them so that they aren't picking up Reflections from the back, is perfectly adequate snare drum pickup. The only thing I can't do is have a gated snare track that triggers a sample, but I'm making punk rock, so I generally want to keep my real drums intact. That lack of alignment between the kick and the overheads becomes problematic though, I definitely do have to move the kick forward some.

Ah yes, finally someone really showing how to edit drums to the grid. I knew that one shouldn't just move close miced tracks but I still had my suspicions how overheads and room mics would act when they're cutted to pieces. Apparently the editing is easier than I thought but yet again, about as much a pain in the ass nevertheless. :D

A big challenge of editing drums is when there's a drum fill for example, and the toms are kinda OK, but the kick is not hitting when it should (kinda inbetween the tom hits). In that case, it is impossible for me to get a good sounding edit by moving all the tracks at once. The solution for me is that I edit all the tracks together based on tom hits, then move the kick track separately and then apply a hi-pass filter on overheads to get rid of possible phase issues (in other mics, the kick is not that much of an issue). If you have a better solution, I would love to hear that :) Great video btw, slip editing ftw, thanks :)

Serious question; in order to harness more control over bleed and phase issues, do you ever take a drum session and sample kick, snare, toms, cymbals then paste those samples into the grid and build the drum track like electronic drum programming?

Thanks A LOT for this video! ...and those shortcuts are totally game changing, wow

That Cubase slip editing blew my mind 😂 never knew that only used Cubase since SX3

Super easy to follow concept. Way too many youtube videos out there making this look like black magic when it clearly isn't! I use Reaper and the slip editing is the same as this - super quick and easy. when using dynamic split (the Reaper equivalent of beat detective), you have to manually check/move anyway, so I don't bother with that and just do it manually.

That’s an amazing lesson. I’ve been manual editing for years and wish I’d had this lesson 15-20 years ago. Slip editing looks like witchcraft 😁

Great topic and a gold tutorial on a skill that is 100% needed for every audio producer!

ohhh I love rule #2, never thought of that. that's an awesome tip!

i just found this method about 2 weeks ago in studio one and its more simple.

Full course purchased. Can't wait to check it out!

Just learned about slip edit, thank you!

Do you have a programmatic way to remove quiet space from your tracks, or removing Tom hits from snare mic? Gate? Or manually select + delete?

One question is every time you edit something, wouldn't you be moving hits that could potentially already be in the right spot? In that case you would basically be forcing yourself to edit every single hit, when in reality it might not be needed.

That was confusing because you didn't cut ahead of the hit that you're moving - meaning : you cut and move but now you're dragging the entire performance. So a hit in the future that is on the grid, it is now being moved off the grid. ? By the way, what version of ProTools Has Sip edit? Or is it even called slip edit in ProTools? Thanks so much for any future info here

Great instruction

thankx mr Kohle 🤘🤘

Unless the playing sounded audibly loose AF, I would just warp the grid to the hits, and preserve the live feel timing.

What do you do if one of the drums is out of time and the others are fine? Like when a kick and snare are supposed to be hit simultaneously, but one of them is slightly delayed by mistake.

k you are a great educator, thanks

Mmm I think this can be improved. First you should group and lock the takes, that way you can cut, move, adjust and all of them will move together so I t is impossible to make just one track as accident. Then you can cut your hits from the beginning of the hit and press Q for quantize. Once you have a group of hits ready or the hole song ( I suggest to do it in sections) you can select them all and move the beginning of the hit to the left, so there is space for the crossfade without destroying the attack. Then you can hit x and do the crossfades for the whole group. You will have to inspect that the crossfades are in the correct position but there will be just a few things to check. Doing it this way will save you a lot of time.

Thanks!! Really helpfull!

Hi kohle i have an issue with slip editing. When i cut the section i am unable to shift to left side. In other words if a transient is late i am unable to shift it to the left to put on grid. But shifting to the right is ok, it is just shifting to left that is limited. Hope i make sense. Thanks in advance.

Three things I missing: 1. when you "fill" the gap there are situations where you cannot. Maybe theres a cymbal and you hear the "wusch-wusch" when its repated. Or there another noise. Solutions are: time shifting the gap. Or copy somthing from another part of the song. 2. Do you cut different performances? I do. For instance verse from take 5, chorus from take 7, but the break between both from take 3 or so. 3. Hot to copy fucked up hits? For instance a snare hit is to soft. Copy only the snare top track? Or even overheads?

YES!

Question about rule #2: what about kicks? I’ve seen a lot of performances where the kicks need to be edited considerably while the rest of the drums do not. Assuming that you’re sample replacing the kicks the phase issues are no longer a problem, no?

Yeah, thx a lot!!!! I do manual editing for years, as ALL automations suck regarding put the drums into grid (or better... near the grid belonging how the band played at all as it can be supercool when drums are a bit ahead or laid back in different parts to make it more energetic or less... depends on the parts, of course)... I experienced that I am much faster doing it manually in spite of using the cubase auto tool...you have to select and prepare every part like hell and this costs so much time that it just makes no sense. regardless of the fails that will show up and remove them will add extra time. Several little things I would like to add... (maybe more important on non metal music where the grid is even less important)... I always do my editing WITHOUT hearing the click track as it will distract me from how it will sound in the end. Sometimes you just realize you dont have to change some hits as it is great as it was played in the recording...drum fills...laid back attitude... stuff like that... if it fits with the other instruments.... I just do not care about it... more: the slip editing is really nice and saves really a big amount of time...but.... when I do it the same way as you have shown in the video I would prefer to make ALL your cuts in the whole part you want to edit first..because you will "destroy" all the let me say perfect hits done later in this one...means you will have to edit every hit then, when maybe just 2 or 3 were badly set. Hope that was understandable... I loved when Cubase implemented group editing so I did not have to select every track with the mouse what was always a pain in the ass and even more disgusting when you forgot the room mics on the bottom of your folder and realized it 2 minutes later haha ;) My way of doing edits was just looking at kick and snare in regarding to the OHs (like you've shown), then set a cut with ALT+Mouse, doing the next cut for the next Kick or Snare to not destroy the original like I mentioned before... move it in place and then hit X for doing the Crossfade... mostly easy when the hits were to late (as they are not very often you name it lol) but when they are to early you sometimes have troubles with the left side showing up a little bit of the transients of kick or snare in the crossfade itself...then I had to move the crossfade again to the left to get rid of that. So.... I will try to learn slip editing in the future because then there is no such a problem. Long story short... BIG THUMBS UP!!!! This technique is a huge topic in itself. Hugs from Leipzig.

Wouldn't be good to have first a click track of the song itself so then you can reference everything to that?

Slipping in studio one causes artifacts

wenn du vorher einmal alle track gruppierst, musst du nicht ständig alle auswählen. Wenn es in einem Ordner ist, kann man bei Cubase auch einstellen, dass automatisch immer alle Tracks gemeinsam geschnitten/verschoben etc werden. Hilfreiche Tastenkürzel für das reinzoomen und bewegen im Fenster STRG bwz SHIFT und das Mausrad bewegen. Ansonsten wie immer danke für deine Tips! Mit Kohle ist es immer Rock'o'clock \m/

Lovely Kris

Nice, but u don't have to make the crossfades with the slip editing technique?

But what you need to do when the shot is late and after you moving you cannot make it long because you have another shot. I often use OH moves separately

Drum editing is definitely not my favourite thing. But I need to look into that slip-editing though, seems I could be wasting a lot less time! 😱

Super interessantes Video - hat mich auf jeden Fall angefixt mich nochmal näher mit der Materie zu beschäftigen. 😎🤘 Danke dafür! Wenn ich mich in den Kurs einschreibe, allerdings Logic als DAW benutze, wird mich das trotzdem voran bringen, weil du dafür auch Tipps integriert hast oder ist das Cubase Driven? Beste Grüße!

Why do you fill up the gaps manually and not just Cross fade?

I have a question : is it something you would consider...having the drummer not playing the kick at all in some situations ? lets say you have a pretty fast song and the drummer have too much trouble and you know at the end you will replace the kick. Since i take a guess, but a lot of songwriter must have their song in gtr pro or they have their demo with a midi drum...

How do you do the 'slip editing' thing on Pro Tools? Is it actually possible?

Das slide-editing ist cool... hat Logic ähnlich aber mal wieder "nur" mit festen Rasterwerten (man möge mich berichtigen , wenn ich es nur nicht anders gefunden habe); bei Drumediting/Programming hat Cubase irgendwie immer die Nase vorn - bzw bekommt es Logic einfach nicht hin, sowas ähnlich effizientes mal nachzubauen... -_-

After snare is done, going by the overheads, do you then do the exact same thing for kick? Or can you do snare and kick at same time (going by the overheads). Prob in the course lol

What if you've got multitrack with drums not so perfect but other bass and gtr are already recorded on these drums?

and if youre an anxious engineer you hold ctrl and drill that S button. The amount of time, the pressure and the tempo you hit that S button reflect how you suffered as an engeneer 😂

Are you cross-fading all the cuts, or does Cubase do that by itself?

11:31 But shouldn’t I also cut behind the i.e. snare hit, so I don‘t move the complete track? Because if I don’t, all next hits might be late or too early. That‘s why I need to dive into phase correct Warp editing in the latest Cubase version. Prior to that I did it manually and I was overwhelmed especially since the room mike made cuts even more difficult.

Hi! How the drum editing implies recording of other instruments? Do you edit drums first, then record the rest (and give musicians edited drums into IEMs) or everyone is recording to the click only? Or you record all instrument first and edit later? Or something else? :) Thanks!

Can you please teach how to write and mix/master vst drums?

Haben vor einiger Zeit die Drums für unsere EP genau so editiert. Allerdings bei weitem nicht so Blastbeat mäßig mit den Fingern 😅. Mega 🤘. Die Short Cuts hatte ich so allerdings auch nicht parat, wäre dann wohl auch fixer gewesen. Aber das probier ich dann mal beim Bass. Machst du denn noch ein Crossfade oder hast du Cubase direkt so eingestellt einen Fade/Crossfade zu machen? Greetz

What was Miloš Maier's editing like? :DD

Why Linking Park - In The End started playing in my head while watching this video?

Thank you for this Video! When i edit drums, the biggest problem i recogniced is something like "Flams" between Snare, Kick, Ride, Hihat. It really drives me crazy when hits are not played well together when they should be. The only thing i do, is to replace single Hits with better ones, but it takes so much time. Are there other Solutions out there or am i the only one with this problems an bad recordings? 😅

Great video! But do you not move the entire song out of position if you edit like this? So after the first one you have to reposition every hit. But maybe some hits are already on point and you would not need to touch them. Or do you want to touch each and every hit anyway so it doesn't matter too much?

Hi, I was practicing on Cubase your course (thanks a lot) with a random son, just to get the skill When signal is "late", I cut where it need to be, i use Option+Command (on mac) to move the signal to the left, but sometimes it stop moving before it need to go. Is it because it's really too late? Thanks

Question : how do you edit a kick and snare drum that dont hit at the same time when they are supposed to as you cant move any track individually ? Thanks!

I don't edit drums. I just re-record them or punch in.

I love you bro.

Thank you so much ! Don't you align the snare tracks with the OH ?

Hi Kristian, great video. Question - if I need to make an edit, let’s say to a snare, during a part where there are cymbals being played, do I need to worry about the slip edit making the cymbals sound weird? Thanks!

Does anynone know how the "slip in place" function is called in Pro Tools? (12:30)

whet is the shortcut for that slip function in pro tools on a Mac?

How many milliseconds is too much off?

Same for guitars and bass?

Does anyone know these shortcuts for mac 🖥️

So how would you slip edit in pt? What’s the short cut to have it slip underneath?

As usual 😞 ableton gets no mention. It's one of the most user friendly and quick daws but no metal guys seem to use it

What about this Warm 2mpx though?! 🤔🤔

what kind of pc is needed

Man unless you are recording something really simple, beat detective always made things way worse. Technical Death Metal never works with those kind of tools. Cool video dude!

Why does everything always have to be beaten onto the grid in metal? It sucks out life of every performance. But I think that's just the way it is these days.

Devil's advocate time here. In all probability the other instruments in the mix were tracked to the drums. By snapping the drums to grid you change the feel of the other instruments as well. What are you going to do? Warp the guitars and bass and mess with that performance as well? I get fixing something that really is a mistake, but the modern metal obsession with drums quantised to look like an Excel spreadsheet has really killed the subtleties that micro timings bring to the table.

i think the deadest problem is drummer didn't hit two shells flat ................ jesus.jpg

But when you move a hit and you do not cut behind it also to seperate it from everything that is happening behind it, you are moving the entire performance behind the hit. So you are moving all the hits behind your edited hit, that might have been in time. That´s a big mess you are creating. I can´t believe you are doing it like this. It´s ruining the whole drum performance and takes for shure a thousand clicks...

I am the only one tired about low guitars tuning ?

Or you can leave it alone and it will sound human or more organic. This tip is great if you're making electronic music.