Lets not forget that Konoha in Boruto series still doesnt publically aknowledge that the Uchiha Massacre was orchestated by them even if Naruto is the Hokage. For someone that likes to show himself as the most moralistic shinobi of the world, hiding that dark truth to the world makes him an hypocrite just like Hiruzen.

Danzo might have ordered it, Itachi and Obito might have pulled it off, but Konoha killed the Uchiha. You're telling me no one with a Byakugan noticed a wholesale slaughter happening? None of the hundreds of ninja hounds alerted to the murders? No one from the Nara clan thought it was odd that a vast majority of their village's police force wasn't on patrol? Sasuke wanted to destroy Konoha for the wrong reasons.

Can we just talk about the fact one of their hokage literally invented the power to rip people out of heaven, enslave them, then use them as unlimited suicide bombers? That is literally cartoonishly evil

The quote "we're all heroes in our own stories but a villain in someone else's" comes to mind

I remember when I was a kid and my older sister and I were sharing fandoms to try to get to know one another a bit better. I was trying to explain to her the plot to Naruto and how he grew up and the at the time: Chunin exams. She looked at me like "You do realize that is sooo effed up, gladiator arena for children, adults cheering on?" At the time I was young and thought she was just knocking down something I liked... As I grew up I realized that she was right. She said that they were probably raising Naruto to be so desperate for attention and recognition that he would be a perfect mindless soldier. Now I think she was right, although if her theory is correct.... Konoha failed. But I know now she was not being mean, just objective.

Danzo had a fever dream one night dreaming of a strange world where the Geneva convention was held, woke up, and instead of rethinking his life, thought "Huh, That was a wonderful list of ideas to try out"

The village was built on the promise of preventing the deaths of children on the battlefield, and yet nothing but children have Died since its establishment.

Tbh it's funny how people say Tsunade is the worst Hokage when she was like the only one that fucked up the least and helped bring a gateway to save the Ninja World/Bring peace.

You know what is so funny about the Uchiha slaughter. They did it to prevent another Madara, while not killing literally the incarnation of Madara. Like the fire lord killing all the Air Nomads but the Avatar...kinda missed the mark there.

The entire ninja world is extremely corrupt, no one hidden village is completely just in their actions. Which I think makes it a great mirror to real life

I feel like "Konoha is morally good" kind of went out the window with the whole child soldier thing. And like... a dozen other things that come with a world founded on a system of assassins and war.

Sakumo Hatake executed Obito's Omega W quote:"Those who break the rules are scum,But those who abandon their friends are worse than scum" and was punished for applying it,More proof of Konoha's corruption

Also, the fact that Hizashi's death only happened, because Hiruzen was perfetly fine with sacrificing him, because the cloud village wanted revenge on Hiashi for PROTECTING HIS OWN 3 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER.

This is why I like the Land of Iron so much, since for some reason, they found successful peace through a system of honorable warriors, restricting their power to the use of only weaponry and have them widespread over the land instead of concentrating power in a single village. Sure there might be less samurai than shinobi, but consider where the samurai live, a land covered in an eternal winter, to survive there you would need to be extra tough to live as a normal person. A military force must be strong enough not only to defend their country, but also to survive in it's harsh conditions. This might be biased but I think they kept the more important part of Ninshu as their core belief, understanding one self. The better you understand yourself, the better you are capable of knowing your limit. There is a reason why the five great nations uses the Land of Iron for the Kage Summit. And Mifune is kage level, at least as strong as Hanzo, who is a Kage level threat. Even the stubborn Ohnoki is wary of the samurai, saying along the line of a shinobi cannot defeat a samurai on a one on one fight. Tldr; I want a samurai video.

You forgot one concept of the Chunin Exams....That I believe this was the FIRST time that the other villages agreed to send their Genin to another village. It was supposed to be a promising aspect and bridge the countries. They did have their own Chunin Exams...and Admittedly by the other Nations - THEIR CHUNIN EXAMS WERE ON THE SCALE OF GENOCIDE! The Valley Hidden in the Mists I believe had their Genin OUT RIGHT FIGHT TO THE DEATH in one large Battle Arena - and only the ONE SURVIVING GENIN would become a Chunin. That was their exam. Cause only the ABSOLUTE BEST could proceed. Survival of the Fittest. And that is just ONE example. Just imagine that for a hot moment: you train - live your life - and out right grow with like 100 other students, and when the time comes you are to be thrown into effectively a corpse pit and told "Only ONE of you may leave here alive. How that happens? You fight till you are the last one standing. This is NOT optional. You WILL do this. And the only way out is through death." and then left to kill or be killed by your companions whom you may have grown bonds with.

When you think about it, What Danzo did in the hidden rain to Hanzo indirectly resulted in Konoha being destroyed. Which is ironic because Danzo did everything he felt was necessary to protect Konoha.

No wonder so many people wanted to destroy Konoha, the village has a long history of unprovoked aggression against other smaller or bigger nations, it has probably the biggest history of crimes than any other village, hell it even has it's own history of exterminating their own clans. I kind of understand the intentions of Obito, Madara, Danzo and Nagato much better, they were people who were one way or another subjects to a massive amount of trauma that Konoha has produced upon them which is why they started to search for peace and creating their own definition on how peace should look like. Also to add another thing that i found it weird which is related or not, when Naruto came back in Konoha after the training with Jiraiya, Tsunade immediately sent Kakashi and his team to pursue Akatsuki, the same guys who wanted to capture all jinchuuriki, so she sent Naruto, a jinchuuriki and the most important one to fight them literally puttiing him at risk not once, but many times knowing very well how important his well being is, add that Team 7 still lacked a member so it was incomplete and she still decided to sent them fight off Akatsuki.... Hell they even counted on Naruto to fight and win against Pain, the most powerful Akatsuki member and basically it's leader who killed Jiraiya, a Legendary Sannin and one of the most powerful ninjas from the village. What i want to point out is the lack of common sense Konoha had shown when came to Naruto, he was pretty much alone every time when a crisis came up and everyone came up to him to solve the problem putting on his shoulders a big responsibility and he wasn't even a genius or a strong ninja at the time like Lee, Neji or Shikamaru

Can we consider the fact that Danzo also managed to convince the Sand Daimyo to filter/assign missions to Konoha instead of Suna? Because that shit was one of the main reasons why Orochimaru managed to pull the Kazekage into his plan to crush Konoha and kill Hiruzen. They where literally impoverishing Suna actively to the point where the Kazekage had to work his ass off 'farming' gold dust to sell. Mind you, they were 'allies' at the time.

I’ve often wondered about Konoha in this sense. I guess the “good guys” are often just based on perspective 🤷

Imagine if Naruto wasn't such a nice person and turned out like Gaara.

Sasuke is looking like a saint now. 🤣🤣

Boruto (anime) actually is good in touching on this. Specifically around the introduction if kara arc. Speaking on how smaller villages were/are always the ones that suffer most when something big happens in one of the major villages. Many of Konahas actions can easily be viewed as reckless, evil or simply destructive when viewed from any perspective from outside konoha.

How about creating Edo-tensei? The jutsu that basically forces souls do act against their will and includes a human body sacrifice. We're not gonna use children but we're gonna use some souls of other people.

Danzo also ordered the assassination of Hiruzen and got caught. But instead of executing him, Hiruzen pardoned Danzo and swept the matter under the rug. Allowing Danzo to continue abusing the citizens of Konoha.

I think the only reason why The Leaf has so many horrible moments is because its the main village we focus on the most so we learn most of its horrible internal affairs. I'm sure if we spent just as much time in any of the other villages, they would be just as sick and twisted as The Leaf is. Remember what the Sand did to Gaara and his family? Yeah, that's only one aspect we learn of it.

so glad you made this video, even as a kid when I was watching the show I always wandered, "are we sure we're the good guys?"

Naruto: I'll Rebuild the Hidden Rain The Hidden Rain in Boruto:

I knew Nick was gonna have me laughing when I saw the title of this video. "Good thing we found out that one couldn't go to war."😂😂

The chunin exam thing is self explanatory. They send children to the chunin exam to show daimyos and businessmen the future potential of their country so that they can get more missions. It's also a way to weaken the potential of other villages in an official way. It's also a way to make money as different villages host the exams so they all get some economical growth too. It's a lot of compromise but hey .. in a world that's been warring for 2000+ years , compromise is the best you can get unless you go for world domination.

This is like looking back at “The Office” and realizing that Jim is the bad guy.

Naruto should be the head of interrogation. He'd just Talk No Jutsu all his victims.

Sometimes when I rewatch Naruto, I just wish that their ages were written above their heads so that way I didn’t forget just how young certain characters are

Every villain is a hero in their own way.

Since we learn the truth about the uchiha genocide I hated the 3rd hokage. Danzo commits genocide against his wishes and hes like " ok you dont get your super secret assassination squad anymore. Carry on. Theyre all monsters.

7:32 "That's a WAR CRIME!" I'm dead 😂😂😂 This whole video is just amazing. I was grinning the entire time while you pointed out both Konoha's atrocities and their hypocrisy - your speech was very passionate and exactly with the tone I'd use if I were allowed to monologue about their MANY war crimes. Fantastic 😂😂

I knew Konoha were the villains since the begging, The Rain just made it stand out

As Churchill once said, "history is written by the victors".

They send 8 years old childrens to assassination missions 😂

Everyone: OMG Konoha really isn't shit Gotei 13:*laughs in genocide*

Konoha technically created Pain.

"Good thing it didn't happen in America because then he'd have a surprise in his back pack." 💀💀💀💀

Actually you’re technically right, madara literally ended a treaty with the hidden stone because he thought it would make the village weak, on top of danzo basically making it impossible to stop the coup and being manipulated into essentially recreating the new akatsuki but let’s not just mention the bad guys Because of the hidden leaf playing basically chess with the uzumaki clan, wiped out the entire clan leaving literally a few survivors

I came to this conclusion just yesterday after explaining the plot of Naruto to my girlfriend. Literally told her at the end that I think the Leaf Village may be the problem. So seeing this pop in my suggestions and posted just 2 days ago is absolutely hilarious to me

How about the time the village demonized kakashi’s dad for saving his comrade to the point he killed himself and instead of getting therapy for his son they turned him into a living weapon

Just realised something. Obito dies on a mission to destroy a bridge to interrupt supplies. Ninja can seal supplies into scrolls and carry a massive amount. Ninja can jump whatever the bridge is over/walk down, cross and walk back up. What was the point?

A large part of the corruption came from Hashirama's softness. Hiruzen too.

11:56 We can see in kakashis flashbacks to his own chunin exams that the leaf used to keep it to just the leaf genin, at least that’s what i took from it since we don’t see any enemy ninja

Konoha's leadership/Konoha ordering the killing of the Uchiha and all the other shady things they did as a nation to remain "on top" is precisely why Sasuke is such an amazing well thought out and well written character and his motives for revenge makes 120% sense. If you hate Sasuke, it's either because there's something fundamentally very wrong with you or because you only watch Naruto in Dub.

You know how Konoha is evil? Ask Danzo.

What about how everyone in the village drove Sakumo Hatake to kill himself after choosing to save his teammates instead of completing his mission

That's how plotholes work. Danzo was that dude yet no way what happened to the Uchiha wasn't a complete public event. Konoha as too many sensory types and war vets. I'm not even gonna bring in the Hyuga. Like how people just accepted Naruto killed Minato. They turned their backed on the Uchiha's.

"You can't truly call yourself "peaceful" Unless you are capable of great violence. If you are not capable of violence, You're not peaceful, You're harmless."

I've always thought of this because honestly all major villains were from konoha or a product of konoha Orichimaru,kabuto, madara, obito

Nick: "Sure Kakashi was a Jounin and the others were Chuunin, but they were 11 years old." Also Nick, "Sure Kakashi became a Chuunin at age 12..." Just a minor correction, Kakashi and his team were 13 during that mission.

If I remember right, the Uzushiogakures protection was the actual whirlpools around the village and the only way to enter was to know a specific path in the water through/around the whirlpools and the only people who had access to the path besides their own people was Konoha so its entirely possible that Konoha (Danzo) actually sold the information on the path to the other great villages.

The kakashi blowing rins back out joke always gets me 😂😂

Honestly I hated Naruto (the character) and I loved the villains because they were the literal definition of the perfect bad guys. They had true intentions and they truly thought they were saving the world. Naruto was a stupid kid who was too optimistic and who was protected by plot armor. I love how positive he is despite all that he goes through don’t get me wrong but he’s just not as interesting as the villains and that’s not good

Minato had a run on sight order. No one would fight him. They were told to retreat if they saw him. Then he would hunt them down and kill all of them. He has killed thousands of shinobi who were all told not to fight him.

I wrote a fanfic called; What if Minato arrived sooner. Basically Kakashi put chakra into the Kuni that Minato gave him and this summoned Minato and he was able to get them out before Obito got crushed so basically everything that would have happened afterwards didn't. The Uchiha massacre didn't happen, Madera died without anyone to take over for him, Minato and Kushina didn't die

Man Hashirama and Tobirama could not have predicted all of this would happen with the creation of Konoha. A united world government seems best for the Naruto world.

Don't forget danzos dad, sauske sarutobi who was the absolute worst in the 1st great war. Killed his dad when he was 15 during a battle against the senju and uchiha and made it look like the enemy killed him so he could take over the clan, stole and killed more kids from other clans then anyone else, killed his own daughter since she fell in love and was pregnant with an unchiha, so he killed his grandchild too, made the other clans kill the children he stole from them to demoralize them, killed many more of his own children, the list goes on and on. He accepted a one on one dual and had his clan jump other guy from behind, truly the MOST underhanded do anything to win type of person. the 3rd had an outside ninja come in and erase all the memories of him and the 3rd destroyed all the paperwork that's the only reason why people don't know about him.

In one fanfic on KZfaq Naruto is bullied so much that he starts to give up on being loved by everyone and attempts to unalive himself but kurama stops him and convinces him to sneak out of the village go out on his own. Not many what ifs hit me in the feels but a 7 year old feeling so broken and down that they take a kunai that was thrown at them in hate and tries to end it all is definitely a guy punch

I love the shoutout to the ruthlessness of Canadians in World Wars. for context for those who don't know through all of ww1 and most of ww2 Canada was not given the choice to go to war independently despite being an independent country at that point. We were forced to by the brits and served as infantry and cannon fodder until we sacked up at Vimy Ridge and then do horrendous things to the POW's from said exchange and furthermore

Yeah, konoha is an autocratic dictatorship that uses ANY means to dispose of anything or anyone outside or inside it's borders in order to maintain stability and power. And by doing so produces its villains like Sasuke, Nagato, Obito and Madara. The worst part is it still acomplished to maintain it's moral superiority over them. Wich is RIDICULOUS! The problem I have with that is that a great deal of the fandom buys this moral narrative. Objectively, there is no "good guys" here. And Konoha as a city-state is just the worst.

Another thing to note about all villages is that the leders all have unlimited power and can just tell children to go fight there wars. And for the leaf hashirama kept saying not to send children to war and conflict but yet children still go to war!

11:04 we don't know exactly when the forest of death was made, or even if a Hokage Okay'd it. Hiruzen was also hardcore and his mentors lived through the most insane fighting in the warring states period, so maybe he had a chip on his shoulder and wanted felt like the old blood and the old ways should be incorporated into the chunin exams. It's also great for Danzo to look for more potential Root Shinobi unlike the Boruto chunin exams were your psyche isn't tested in life or death situations. On that note I still think the Boruto exams are silly since one day they might have to perform an assassination and now you have a generation of kids in peace time that won't know what true agony is until the next war breaks out and then it's pain all over agai

Straight up, Gaara & Naruto had every reason to comit treason & murder their villages & yet, some how, they both turned out as decent people lol.

Pain was right to destroy Konoha.

Pain: It’s true. I am a means of communication.

I like anime. I like listening to Nick lull me to sleep. Perfect combo

Well, we can say that all villages are very bad for all jinchuriki

Madara rebeling against Hashirama looks like a good thing now...

Konoha: hidden mist is so evil they made their ninjas kill each other to become genin Also konoha: chuunin exams go vrooom

Hero and villain are relative terms. These acts are indeed atrocious by Konoha, but are commonplace in the shinobi world, which is why Madara just wanted to do away with everything altogether.

i think rather then konoha being "evil" its more like its "no better than the other nations" and this is pretty apparent once you enter shippuden, and its one of the big reasons naruto convinces nagato to stop killing, because naruto wants to end the "cycle of hatred" which INCLUDED konoha. konoha was never treated as the "heroic city" just...classic naruto was too naive to see the corruption so it never really popped up until he matured.

This is why I have problems with anime. DS has the starting exam with literal demons that is unsupervised leading to so much death. HxH exam is a given.

Hey, the second great shinobi war is where the legendary sanin got that title! A positive, right? Oh, it's only because Hanzo took so long to kill them that he was impressed and decided to let them live.

I’m telling you if they had discontinued the funding for the torture department, Naruto would’ve had more money to spend growing up😂😢

Madara hoped that the Infinite Tsukuyomi was going to bring peace.

Imagine if shisui decided to clap danzo. Shisui and Itachi would of been unstoppable together

Ok, I’m really surprised that you don’t remember/know this. Konoha is not the only village which holds the Chunin Exams. Every village holds the Chunin exams with them taking turns hosting them every six months. We just see the exams repeatedly happening in Konoha’s Forest of death because of bad writing and laziness from writers, since the writers didn’t want to design/draw an exam arena that belongs to a different village. The Konoha exams should only happen once every 3 years.

Let’s not forget the history pain shared about Konaha

"Good thing we found out that one couldnt go to war" lmao

Those are very good points I never really thought deeper into it. However I'm curious, how bad was Konoha in the context of the other villages? Because I remember back then feeling that actions and stories from other villages are far more brutal than konoha. Like the battle royale exams in the swordman village, Gaara being a raving pychopath, all other villages going for the kill in the exams, using the exams as an all out attack to destroy an entire village, the salamander being a shady tyrant. Wasn't Konoha at least more humane than them?

I recently thought it was kinda cool that a lot of people in Naruto were fighting for the same thing. Some just corrupted and lost sight of what they were trying to really accomplish

Yo! I love your content and passion for Manga and Anime. Keep growing brother! ✌️

Now that you say that Konoha may be the only village with the most war crimes

Anyone remember when ibiki held borutos hand and he folded immediately? No lie I would tell him anything before he starts. He is a chilling presence bro goddamn he sees pain as an art form. I'm good

Okay now I see why Hiruzen, Danzo, Homura and Koharu ruling era are the worst history period and why there are many missing ninja came from Konoha.

I mean when you say the village turned against the Uchiha because they believed they were the ones who released Kurama. They were not wrong, Obito is an Uciha and the only other person who could control Kurama was Madara another Uchiha.

When you realize that Project Tsuki no Me wasn't so bad.

I’ve been thinking about this on a basic level as in every war, all Participants are guilty of crimes and someone essentially end up ruling over someone else. That usually leads to suffering and resentment towards the in in charge. Since Konoha has held itself up for such long time I’d be absolutely down to know more of their personal crimes against other countries. Good idea, make it a series plz 😀

Let's be honest the 1st to 3rd kage again we're very shady

I kind of wanna see you make a video about what you think would be the perfect Naruto timeline. (Basically just you going over every event and say what you would want to happen)

It is like the idea of the first Hokage not wanting kids to die wasn't a thing back during the early parts of the story.. it one of the greatest weakness of Naruto...

Point of order: All the nations agreed on the Chunin exams but in Naruto, it was the selected location. Konoha was only the location because it added to a new story, developed power levels and diversity, and in the meta universe it was merely coincidence we spectate the exams at Konoha. In Shippuden, the Chunin exams are in the Hidden Sand. In these terms we need to step back from ethics and understand that while every nation had a mutual peace for the exams, they were all technically strategic allies and enemies with every nation. It was understood by every nation that despite having open borders and trade, there was a very good chance two Shinobi but what seems to be two allied nations, would be set against each other during a mission. The Chunin exams weren’t just testing kids for war. The children get observed for their prowess in future non war related missions. It was kakashi’s prerogative to upgrade the first Team 7 mission from Genin to Chunin after he realized they were up against Kisame. It was expected to be a simply watch and observe mission, and perhaps a small fight if there was any resistance. Naruto, Sakura, and Sasuke were not expected to fight someone of Kisame’s level, nor were they considered skilled enough to contend with him. When it comes to the Ninia World you must realize that the leadership technically is a quasi-fascist state, where the ninja are considered the standing military, and each Kage is essentially the general of that standing army Every resident of that Mation has the potential to join as a standing army and bolster the standing forces. We know Tenten is a skilled fighter, but in Boruto she is a simple shopkeep. Are we to suggest she is no longer capable of holding her own in a fight? I’m pretty confident that if it came down to protecting the village, she’d join the fight. You’d think twice as a single ninja to start shit in a city where the Flower Lady (Ino) can Possess your mind. This is why strength and chakra are considered to hold prestige while having no Chakra or very little chakra would open you up to ridicule and disrespect. The more skilled you are and the more chakra you have makes you a better soldier for the nation’s army. The Chunin exams were a declaration of the Strength of a Nation’s army, and an assessment of personal aptitude for future missions. Konoha was not exclusive in this. All nations participated to say “This is how strong we are and this is what you will come up against if you try to harm us.”

You know when Nick says it's not the Uchihas fault it's serious

That joke at the start was simply fantastic lol

Konoha also is one of the only nations to adopt ninja from other nations. Train them and give them ranking in their system. Maybe trying to blend multiple nations and ninja created tension, evil, and uncertainty since it was such a new concept being done. Just like America

Nick has blessed me with a youtube page where I can find all the questions on Naruto that I have... He has cursed me by being such a good KZfaqr that I can't watch other Naruto KZfaqrs anymore!!!