I miss times where idols were friends, not rivals

One thing I miss the most is idols having genuine reactions,emotions and personalities. Now they just act and do how their company tells them to

The reason why there's more competition today is that the new generation of fans doesn't care about standards anymore, it's all about popularity, who's the most likable and the most visually appealing.

I love the fact that the senior idols are looking out for the rookies.

The part where they said the competition is harder and idols getting called flop more is true. Back in the days, it is easier for idols from small companies to success or at least getting recognition. Nowadays, people only care about groups from mid-big agencies

Remember when Bora from Sistar used to sleep over at Girls' Generation's dorm so often that Girls' Generation's manager just treated her like one of members?

We still got aespa, nmixx, bm, kof and unis don't worry guys there's still a lot of kpop group that will debut in gen 5 and I hope majority of them are vocal groups, now sm is going to debut a new girl group and i expect it to be a strong vocal group

I’m glad the older idols acknowledge where there needs to be change but also show sympathy for what the younger generations have to go through

After seeing baby monster and Kiss of life, We still have some hope

UNIS has a 13 years old maknae, but you cannot deny that she's talented. I hope that the group have enough time to rest.

Gone are the days when "We Got Married" and "Invincible Youth" was a thing..... sad that we can never go back to those days were K-Pop was FUN 🤩

If there is anyone in this industry who are not enemies, it is the artists... They are fine, they get along well and they love each other... The "fans" are the fools for feeding something that only exists in their heads... "Mine is better than yours!" "Mine is bigger than yours!" And the artists are congratulating and rejoicing for each other...

Babymonster and KOF are literally slaying so theres no need to worry

Before each group had their own style, choreographies to remember and catchy songs. People knew more about each member in the group and that lead to feeling a connection with them. Now there’s just too many groups coming and people can’t keep up

Bro no matter how much ppl try to sugarcoat it.... debuting a minor and having them wear those outfits....is madness.

When i was a lil girl i started watching kpop songs, at that time i did not know about them so much. But I listen to them and enjoyed them but nowadays this is kind a boring 😢🙃😮‍💨

The idols now is just idols but the ones in 1st gen and 2nd gen is real idols artists that actually are talented and natural not robots also good singers

I have noticed that too, kpop world literally change, it's like a home with many strangers.. Eventhough 2nd Gen very problematic still rooting them.. That was the kpop i know of.. colorful, and full of life.

As a fan, the constant pressure to vote and stream a new release is stressful and takes away from the pure enjoyment of listening to the music simply because you like it. I want to listen to a new record or album organically. But in order for your favourite singer or group to continue to be successful, it's been made into a necessity by the companies, award shows, social media, and because every other fandom is doing it.

In SM vocals I believe

I really agree with C.A.P. if you can't sing well, you should get less lines. I also agree that it's definitely harder for newer artists because their dances are harder, they have to face social media, and they can't have one bad album or people will turn against them. I'm glad veteran idols are speaking out about how hard being an idol is.

I 100% agree on this

I would like to point out how yoongi as agustd have released "snooze" as his part to motivate and cheer up the new idols and young artists so they don't suffer with shackles of fame like he and his members did

Back then idols were move freely without any concern but nowdays idols bang move freely and had too much pressure bcz of comptetion and can't get along with other artist like how artist of 1st and 2nd generation were and I kind of feel sad about that I really hope that fans don't get so obsessive and leave idols alone

To me the most profound thing was the sistar members warning I.O.I of the older male idols because they aren’t nice 😭 why can’t mean old men just leave young ladies alone

I've been a K-POP fan since 2012, and with the expansion and globalization of the culture, more fans became close with their favorite group. And as we can see it with 4th Gen and 5th Gen (5th gen is 4.5 gen for me), some are lacking vocally, some of them are weak dancer and they rarely write their own rap while in other generation, real singers were there, freestylers were there and real rappers. Now we give them a sheet, they sing with a lot of autotune and make hard choreographies to find an excuse to not sing on music shows. well fans find them an excuse even though idols train years for their stamina to Increase and hit the notes they can naturally reach but some aren't trained and just sing perfromatively without trying to work on the note they did once for a song. Their songs only rely on haters talking about them when they are loved by the industry or apart from their fans. No one cares about them, and their haters are their own fans. This can lead their fans to think people are hating on them when the only hate is receiving is the hate their own fandom have been given to other groups. When they get valid criticism, Idol urges to falsely apologize as they know their fans are going to defend them. Idols aren't dumb. They'll apologize saying "don't judge" "I did my best and fans will label everything as hate and we are being too hard on them even though no one could careless about the haters except the group itself so that their narrative is "valid" and fans who thinks everyone hate them. An example I have is Lesserafim (I'm a fan, and these are just assumptions, I need clarification). When they debuted, Lesserafim were praised for singing live well among the other 4th gen groups that were doing lipsync. The only remark they got from everyone was that their vocals weren't good enough for debuting Idols that are supposedly train for that and their fans quickly jump by saying "They'll improve" "Yunjin is an opera singer" (which she constantly said she wasn't) "Sakura is good for someone coming out of J-Pop" (Putting down a whole industry just to praise your fave) "At least they know how to sing. Can you sing" (When it's not our job and thanks to us they live just by singing a song that was given to them) and "They just debuted" when they are meant to be prepared for it. All groups that were good singers but not great dancers were constantly compared to Lesserafim dance level even though kpop is both and Lesserafim and Hybe have been influencing kpop on being good dancer and visual and not singing well but whenever we ask about if they know how to sing, it is either portrayed as bullying or they are going to take the best member (who are lacking too) to represent the group or lastly blaming on the training time. If it was the training time, they have time between comeback, so why didn't they improve? They say Lesserafim are writing and producing their own songs, then when they get criticized for not singing their own songs, then say, "HYBE is giving them songs that are out of their ranges." For two years, some Lesserafim fans have been bragging about their inexistable skills while bullying other idols, and Lesserafim did nothing to stop their fans from being problematic cause they didn't give a damn and it didn't hurt them. And now that they perfomed at Coachella, we waited for those skills that were bragged around to show off. Performing at Coachella is a big deal after Blackpink was the first K-pop girl group to be invited. Coachella is a huge festival, and Lesserafim has been acting haughty for the last 2 years. Their first week was lacking, and all missed notes and even Chaewon who "carried" were bad, fans blamed it on nervousness. The second week, they put backtrack and autotune, but fans said they improved. Their whole argument was, "Why are you only picking the bad side?" Well, because it's Their job to sing well, so why point out the obvious? And also they don't sing phenomenally good to be even talking about those. After those horrible performances, Chaewon put a middle finger in her Insta Story and Sakura apologized litteraly saying she did her best and people shouldn't hate when she has been working for 13 years in this industry and that she focuses on trolls that come from her own fandom. After the Coachella performance, many newspapers said their performance was good and videos and Mr removed were taken down and surprisingly other Coachella performance, even Ateez's one weren't talked about this way this much especially when Lesserafim performed at the Sahara... And as yall know, Lesserafim's fan played the witch hunt and blocked every content in mass that gave valid criticism, and Lesserafim played the game. And those pseudo tiktokers who talk about POV: A hater is watching Lesserafim when only fearnots and people who were fearnots before cared about their performance. The fandom is Loud and Wrong and too big that they think the kpop world revolves around them. This a recent example, but Lesserafim aren't the first one to use their fans like this. BTS who are culturally appropriated, racist, nword, being misogynistic and everything, their apologies were lackluster, and now they scream at us, saying they are grown up and won't apologize and their fans are eating it. I'm only talking about both of them because they are part of my favorite groups, and they are the only one who did that stuff. Recently, ILLIT indirectly did when people constructively critized their singing, but they focused on hate and started crying cause people criticized their vocal when it's their job. We can't lose a tradition of idols being trained for year to be perfect in all areas, finding them excuses and them playing with our morals. IDOLS are using you. AGENCIES are using you. Making everyone believe that MHJ said BANG PD stole from her to make BTS was planned by HYBE, and we all jumped on MHJ throat like They know how to use us.

So funny how it would be "easier" for idols back in the old days but yet the quality of the idols was way higher before, they are legendary, but it's way harder for newer generation idols to reach such status. That says a lot about the industry as a hole and it giving a huge hint to which direction companies should be going. Instead of thinking abt short term success and gains, companies should think abt the longer ones, to build a group for more time to achieve greater success after a while, not instantly.

Why is nobody talking about mamamoo how it was hard for. When nobody believed in them and judged them by looks . They prove everyone wrong mamamoo had a hard way

It’s bad now because stuff like MHJ is dragging down other idol groups. A CEO is causing drama among idols. Fanwars were toxic but not to her level she’s at. She’s actually isolating NewJeans instead of integrating them.

I loved when idols would be friends and no matter of the gender, also I like how there are l groups like kiss of life , Nimixx , babymon , Xikers and bnd 💗

C.A.P. just continues to give reasons for why he was my favorite Teen Top member.

Every generation have respect for the same type of formation in his practice, the hard work works well for the songs, every idol needs support from other idols and they can feel the same experience

Think of the Symbol , Remember the Legend , say the Name " Dreamcatcher , Dreamcatcher , Dreamcatcher " , Now you also have the Strength and Courage of the Eternal Legendary Dreamcatcher

Babymonster is still there but I think hybe is ruining kpop

Since the groups who went viral in west were not exceptionally talented, and achieved a lot with just good promotion and payola, the industry doesn't feel the need to choose talented artists. Because international fans proved they don't care about talent in K-pop, they just like the VIBE. And that will ruin K-pop completely. Because they will allow everyone to look down on K-pop idols as artists and use them just for clout. Because they know how strong K-pop fandoms are and they will do anything for their idols.

Ke1per is going on , Chosen by planet guardians and , Blessed by Dreamcatcher

I agree w them tbh

As someone in the K-pop industry myself not as an idol. They aren’t debuting younger and younger. It’s always been this way. People are just noticing now which is strange because it hasn’t changed the workload is not as much as it used to be

she will return soon , with the fall of the rose 🌹petals , and the fragrance of summer ☀, the one they call Dreamcatcher , Her Symbol has become her Name for all Time , " She is and They are the first and always" , Eternal Legendary Dreamcatcher "

One thing is for sure... though it can be considered harder for kpop idols now (competition, social media, etc.)... the rewards are greater than ever before. That's just the nature of the game.

And i dont know why dreamcatcher is so underated. They got the wholepackage.

with this competition going on if the company recruits properly talented ppl then they can easily reach to lvl of success tht is somewht close to bp, bts n such grps

Not to mention the dance is more complicated back then. I still remember learning dances from 2nd and 1st Gen for 2 months. Now it's just tiktok dances so it takes 2 days. It's too simple...

With Babymonster we need not to worry

I mean they are artist/singer aren't they? They should definitely be singing well i mean that's like asking a doctor why they should save lives

But it’s normal for people not to click at first! I don’t know why fans think all members will like each other OR other K-pop idols will like eachother. Sometimes people just want to stay co workers / business partners and that’s okay!

K-pop has changed a lot over the past several years. The 2nd, 3rd and early 4th generation were probably the last generations before all of these changes that we see right now. K-pop before was more focused on Southeast Asia and Japan. Now it's more focused on western countries like the US, Canada and Europe. They are more English lyrics than Korean lyrics. Vocals and live performances are not that great anymore plus fewer appearances on Korean shows.

🤭it's reminds me of tvxq5 years ago.. When tvxq still on the hit, jaejoong always make mistake with his stage's performance..BUT, because of their powerful stable vocal during live while dancing..the even non-fans love them 😊

They have shared the stage with many Generations of idols , as the 5th gen idols enter the stage , the Flame of the Eternal Legendary Dreamcatcher , Burns on 🔥

Like for real, you'll see a fandom giving excuses on why their favs couldn't sing live And music is not about numbers but people forget that

Play smarter not just work harder. I believe not everyone who wants to be an idol are artists or singers but that doesn’t mean they don’t deserve whatever success they’re having. They also worked hard and that’s the reality.

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taeyeon's album eunwoo 😭😭😭

I don't know what it's like on the girl group side since I don't follow girl groups but on the boy group side I have literally been watching live recordings of groups for the past week and their live vocals are insane. Yeh there are few duds around but in general I find most live vocals in the boy group corner are pretty damn good for once.

Mnet games create criticism ,hate and more ,the game is a game that lets them debut too ,babymonster does not have a debut contract. anymore.

Me the one who's 6 years younger than Eunchae and got accepted into a K-pop ent. yesterday............. Hint: One of the 3 big ents.

The sad things is this is happening it seems althroughout the music industry, people are gaining fame or debuting bc of physical appearances etc instead of these companies/labels focusing on longevity with artists and talent . They continue to ride the hype train and its pretty disheartening, because the standard is decreasing.

Here are 5th gen ggs with good live vocals Babymonster Kiss Of Life Young Possie X:IN VVUP ....

It's interesting that predators are hardly mentioned. One day a girl - or a boy - will start talking and then all hell will break loose.

Think how extremely competitive the industry has become, and see how the age of the debuting idols is reducing day by day. They push literal children to the war of survival with all the groups who are debuting each year and the fans who put the stress and pressure on the idols and comment "flopped", "tanked", under the records of their sales and streams. And also add the pressure and stress of the fans who force their parents to buy albums and marches , not because they need it, but because they need to support their idols and make them happy. music industry should never be like this. Music should never be used as a tool to destroy another artist. And Hybe made this industry like this. I was here since 2nd generation and I never experienced this even with big3.

Kpop legends BTS are supportive of all the newer idols and do everything to support them in the industry. Each generation ate different and you can't compare them to each other

Newjeans and illit dont hate each other. The ones above them do

Is a Dreamcatcher a idol or Legend , They have shared the stage with many gens . As the 5th gen enter the stage , The Flame of the Eternal Legendary Dreamcatcher Burns 🔥 on .

Xiumin is fcking right

Hybe is trying to ruin kpop tho

Badvillain debuted two days ago and they have amazing vocals

that is why IU is the undisputed queen

All of the legend in this video that care and understanding younger idols is really kind legend. They know how hard to be the idols because they also used to be an Idols, they didn't easily criticize and say idols nowadays are lazy just like that one girl. All these legend give really good advice, show support and younger idols also really thankful for their advice

5th Gen is literally slaying tho so I’m not that worried

the thing is the dance part become more and more tiring nowadays and ppl hoping the idols now can do both without losing breath

14 min Early yay!!!! Btw love your videos ❤

It's the target market. Open your doors to the neighbors and I guarantee you'll start catering more to them to keep them coming back. It's the way of the game.

the Tears of a Dreamcatcher are Precious , " the fall of the Raindrop , is as the fall of the Tear of the Dreamcatcher ". At the Time of the Rain Fall , Close Your Eyes , Let Every Raindrop Reach Your Heart and Make a Wish ✨✨

End of the day it is music, they're meant to be singers first

Facts for real Only few are exception Majority are literally below average

The fandom of the younger idols are so toxic! They only care about numbers. Numbers numbers. They no longer care about quality. It still breaks my heart when I recall the seventeen albums being thrown away on the street cause the fans only wanted the cards. THEY ARE MUSICIANS. I could only imagine the heartbreak Woozi must have felt seeing all his hard work being trashed for stupid plastic pictures. What is the point of buying music when you don't even listen to it??

There are Many Legends , But only 7 Eternal Legends , Her Symbol has become her Name for all Time , " She is and They are the first and always" , Eternal Legendary Dreamcatcher "

Ok Joohyun was definitely right. Based on the drama going on in 5th generation I can’t say that all of the companies took TIME to figure everything out for their debuting groups… 0:56

what about the Eternal Legends ❓, the ones they call Dreamcatcher . There are Many Legends , But only 7 Eternal Legends , Her Symbol has become her Name for all Time , " She is and They are the first and always" , Eternal Legendary Dreamcatcher "

The only thing I'm sure of is, the day Twice ends is the day I stop being a kpop fan 😂

❤5 TH GENS BABY MONSTER KISS OF LOVE

Baemon, KOF, NMIXX are literally saving the 4th and 5th gen

Well, we have NMIXX, Kiss Of Life and BM have good vocals, actual singing abilities so they‘re fine

I'm a KPOP stan for 6 years I'm stanning a lot of groups but from what i see in my opinion the kpop industry changing so much from day to night but something doesn't changed the fandoms are still toxic and the companies doesn't care about debuting minors etc so in conclusion the kpop instustry still has bad sides ,i hope one day it will change

Fin-Kay-Elle. lol. I'm from generation 1 and have never heard their name pronounced like that.

I hope 5th gen bring back the old gen 😢

2:50 this... The fact that Itzy still sells more music but People call them "flops", is sad

7:01 what girl group is that?

you saying the young groups have it hard while dragging all the groups , kookielit is a hypocrite

The cookie cutting groups.....because all their are worrying, about making is making another group...and so the quality has no real Focus like they did at first.......the kids think it is get on a Group and that makes you an Idol ALL of them think stardom just happens and there is nothing they have to do is sit back and fame will come to them. And with not getting Vocal training why 90% of them have to Lipsync Because They can not really sing Shower sing is Not Vocal lesson Kids you need to invest in training yourselves if want to be Better

Its sad that the companies sees them a cash cows and not people

2nd gen idols had to work so hard for what they got while rookies today get it over night. They are so entitled. Most groups today would of never have made it back then.

I want all these top 1st & 2nd gen idols to gather & criticise 4th & 5th gen idols talents. There's still idols who are actually talented & cares about music but majority of them just wants the money & the fame. Its sad that the top groups of 4th & 5th gen are all good to strong dancers but they have no knowledge in music especially their subpar to non existent vocal skills. Why are y'all praising the mediocrisy & making the bare minimum the standard?? I'm shocked at how kpop stans are amazed by NMIXX's talent when in the beginning, that should've been the main standard. Kpop stans in general are only here for the vibe, trends, fashion & choreo.

Oh dear. 5th. Gen Idols nowadays have the youngest KPop idols in KPop history. They are way more fragile than those 4th. Gens for sure.

Because KNetz and other international fans nowadays are sooo toxic...

a K-pop idol can stop been a idol , but the Dreamcatcher must go on , the world is calling for Her , " Dreamcatcher , Dreamcatcher , Dreamcatcher " ,

That's why 1st 2nd and 3rd gen are waayy better than 4th and 5th gen

I wondered why Wonyoung and other idols from newer generation slaying so hard. It's because they have cool seniors from 2-3rd gen! Just remember from what went through 2-nd gen gg idols. And what kind of awful male idols there were.. That's why I really hope our girls will keep themselves safe☺💖

IDOLS JOB IS TO SING AND DANCE OR PERFORM. I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY NEW GEN IDOLS LIP SYNC

BAEMON are breaking records and reshaping KPOP with their vocals and live performances. Just like BP and 2NE1 did.