@seveteensBIGGESTfanfor groups come from small companies, music show is the only chance for them to promote. At the same time the big companies just rig the show and rig the chart.

MAYBE THEY ARE CRYING BECAUSE THEY HAVE PAY FOR THE DINNER 🤣🥲

@@AnHuynh01101 Exactly. The big companies rig the shows and the charts. That's why you see some groups get a win on the day they debut and other groups sometimes take years to get their first win. Just too cruel and unfair. There are so many talented groups from small companies that should get a fair chance.

@@angelanam793 Yeah, I just noticed that how groups from big companies get so much more compared to groups from small companies. BTS didn't get their first show win until they released "I Need U" which was the starting point of their success. Twice got their first show win with "Cheer Up" in 2016 which was the year after they debuted. Blackpink got their first win right after debut. No wonder why idols from small companies cry when they get their first win because it's literally their only way to get into the K-pop mainstream.

I don't want to be that person but thats why I really admire BTS, those of us who have followed kpop from early days know how rigged the Korean music shows used to be and how the Big 3 always dominated there with their money and influence but BTS being from a small, bankrupt company broke that cycle and gave hope to other idols from small companies that anything is possible💜

what do you expect? they're there to PROMOTE their song they don't have to its the same as when you pay for an ad lol

36$ vs promotion? I’ll take the promotion please.

@@SBBunny93 but not all can afford that

@@shubham_gupta9I guess what I’m saying is promotion trumps money. During the initial release cycle. You want more money you need to promote yourself. How do you do that? By going on music shows. Sorry if you’re only getting 36$ but later that will seem like nothing when your music stage reaches 3.5 million views in 24hrs and your album sales went up internationally. Bigger picture seems to be lost on many.

@@SBBunny93 fair enough

The K-pop industry is just like every other industry, it's all about making big money for these selfish greedy companies.

Singing and dancing is not considered high skilled. It’s an all or nothing industry

7000 dollars is perfectly fair. Do you understand how many staff have to be paid to work and move heavy equipment, security, catering, audio/video,lighting,monitoring etc. so many people need to be paid for their hard work.

@@blacklikethesun Exactly. People need to be payed for their hard work. Idols deserve more than 36$ 😭. That’s ur opinion so stick to urs and I’ll stick to mine lol 💀💀

@@OliviaJones-kt8im your mistake is thinking promoting on a music show for 36$ is their only form of income. Thsts why album sells, fan events, concerts exist. Its not an opinion because i didnt even mention the 36$. Regarding that however, there should be a set price that isnt lowered or raised based on group popularity. Thats the unfair part considering everyone pays the same entry fee. $300 should be the set pay for appearing. Again, The staff who work at the stations are employees who are paid a salary daily. idols companies are responsible for the bulk of the idols pay. Most are in debt to them. The issues lay with the company. Modhaus for example were able to pay tripleS members in only 2 years because they sell photocard objeckts and the cosmo app to vote for things. it has been super profitable and the 24 members dont have debt now and make a salary. others dont see profit for atleast 5 years. fromis 9 for example.

I mean did you even care to ask ? Google is free

@@cvyyjg Whoah calm down. Why so mad? 🤣😭

Probably bc the kpop industry likes to sell to fans that it's "perfect"

$36 each or the whole group?

@@gabs5831whole group 😢

Then kpop idols should actually learn to sing. Late 4th gen and 5th gen lack so much in talent. No wonder people don’t take kpop seriously. Just look at Le Sserafim emberassing themselves in Coachella.

@@vixxexo6855 As a person who followed 2nd gen groups and then stopped caring abt kpop after that, I was actually so surprised when I saw the kind of idols being produced lately. It's like they're actually being mass produced in a factory, with very lacking skill sets and everything seems to be lipsynced now. It's such a shame what this industry has devolved into, it's become a parody of what it once was. Companies are v obviously pushing out groups that are years from being ready one after another, for the sake of quick cash grabs.

@@vixxexo6855 that's what I mean by Shein outfit. How long did Exo, mamamoo, GOT7,monstax have to train to sound the way they do. They all have distinct RnB sounds that it's very easy to tell them apart even on a random listen.And that's thanks to the big success Gen 2 had when it came to vocals and stage presence, they were a hard act to follow. Now, I can't even tell apart stray kids from NCT let alone the younger idols. I feel bad for these idols who were never given enough time to train and for the generation of kids who pay so much money for trash.

Idc, I will think of what I will like the most. I don’t care about rich strangers in a foreign countries feelings. Kpop idols could care less about me and you. Most idols come from rich families btw.

Broooooo... A dollar fifty!!! That is just INSULTING.

Your right 👍

It makes sense now, it's much more better made their own stage of 'live performance', and upload it in KZfaq.

sm too

The 3rd generation was last great generation before all of these changes that we are seeing right now

That's basically the same response in Korea among the general public. Too many groups debuting and they have a low opinion on idols in general.

We don't know what we don't know

Why would anybody keep up with artists they're not interested in?

Bro calm down it's just music, you're not required to perform a 2nd job just so nugus can get paid lol, it's ok

Tbh I can't keep up with the amount of groups I am interested in. I literally just hope it comes up on my YT when they have a comeback. I have literally missed out on seeing some of my favourite acts because of it.

And there they will found more problems, like being underpaid while the lead actors get most ot the production budget. The entire South Korean entertainment industry has problems, not just Kpop. It's sad.

​@@edivaldosantos8321 Actors are more respected than K-pop idols. When it comes to acting, It doesn't matter if they get supporting roles, they'll learn and gain experience and most likely become leading actors/actresses. Just look at Jo Byeong-kyu, I first saw him in a very minor role in the kdrama Who Are You: School 2015 and he went on to be a main actor in The Uncanny Counter kdrama. (Yeah he's not a K-pop idol.) But he worked his way up and got the main lead. I do agree that the South Korean entertainment industry needs a lot of work.

most idols? that's a huge reach

@@universe986 I said most, not all. A lot of female Idols have moved to acting as have a lot of male Idols.

@@Kayy3020 still not most, some. a lot of also keep being idols

it has been changing ever since it has been invented what are u on

K-pop during the second and third generations were the best times every. But all has changed especially with the 4th generation and beyond since BTS and Blackpink broke into the US market in 2018 and 2019. From there, companies shifted there focus more on the western markets rather than in Japan and Southeast Asia where K-pop has always been promoted

@@jordicarvajal2834 I disagree a bit. Yes, many do try to promote in the West but they still promote in Japan and Southeast Asia as well. Any K-pop group that gets a big enough audience will eventually promote in Japan because they'll get more money there than in Korea.

@@MrSuperjam789 K-pop back than was so good compared to right now. So many groups are being pushed into the US market so quickly and make their music more appealing to a western audience rather than make real K-pop music. The 3rd generation was the last great generation. It was the generation that got me into K-pop and showed how the genre was amazing and different from western pop.

@@jordicarvajal2834 I'll agree to disagree. 3rd gen music is great but there's some good 4th gen music being made right now. I do agree that many K-pop groups are trying to promote themselves in the U.S. market now earlier than before but I understand why since they'll make more money overseas than in Korea itself.

They aren’t recycling, it’s just stylists all borrow from the same sources.

@@momokoblue8032 yh that

Finally Kookielit left Hybe's ass and is doing something useful🙌

I feel bad, but wonder why they don’t do another job.

Monsta X was supposed to be on Kingdom?

@@furuyakeifu yes back in 2021 and mnet tried to deny that they don’t have beef with sse but every fandom noticed that they never invited any sse artists to their shows the whole year

exactly lol

It's funny because I.U asking EXO's D.O. if he was going to do music shows and he said no made me laugh because I bet you his solo fans blamed SM for not letting him due them for his last two album. But now as the CEO of his own company and him not doing any of them shows it was probably him asking SM not to send him to them and not the company sabotaging an avenue of promotion

each member or is it divided?😀

@@rottenYeondivided 😃

I heavily doubt it’s for more popular groups

@@rottenYeon divided

@@Supershy822 no way😭

What 😭

you'd get paid $4💀

24 members* 😂

the first group I thought of were seventeen

@@vixarts4114 tripleS right now 😭😭😭😭

Nct with 26 members imagine when all of them come together after their military period is over to do a year end group performance

But isn't that an award show?? I thought they meant music shows like music core and m countdown because they promote their comeback there. they perform on award shows like MAMA too but they are there mainly for the award ceremony.

MAMA isn't a Music show.. It's the in qoutes "most prestigious award show in Asia"

@@shorya1471 yeah sorry I didn’t mean music show

@@yasminchan7425 yeah I didn’t mean music show sorry

​​@@yasminchan7425 its a quote for them but it's not the most prestigious award show in ASIA, I have been watching that since 2nd generation and MAMA barely included all of Asia. It's basically an award show for Koreans and with some inclusion of other regions in Asia, it's a faulty show and people are now seeing how kpop itself has issues with its system.

that's what i'm wondering too.. shouldn't it be obvious they don't get payed alot/at all for promotions? Like if you want to be on a show, you pay the show.. if the show wants you to be on the show, the show pays you.. and in the case of promotions the groups want to be on the show, they are paying the show for exposure.. how are people so surprised about this?

Funny, I was thinking along the same lines… do American celebrities get paid to be on talk shows? I always figured they paid the show so they can promote their new book, movie or album. Unless you’re huge famous like Michael Jackson probably.

For sure, the amount of win for rookie groups from big companies is insane

Complains about capitalism on KZfaq. From an iPhone. Gen Z for ya.

@@desertdwellerpete yeah you can use something and still criticize it

And ours too😢😢

It's also selfish greed from these K-pop companies

@@jordicarvajal2834 greed for what? Capital

so many kpop stans don't know that concerts is the biggest $$$ source lol

Don't forget that often time those groups from small companies don't even get slot to perform in the music shows😢

I remember when they used to cut Ateez performances back when they were rookies.