Yup, spot on. Honestly for me, I knew it and it was just a mental mistake. I also know that many people might not realize that, so wanted to take the opportunity to teach from one of my mistakes!

Red dawn G43x Yep, you have successfully pointed out exactly what was just explained in the video.

Not trying to be that guy who always disagrees. But I think every situation could be different. Like depending on how high your stand is. Are you shooting compound or crossbow. Is he 18 yd or 38 yd. That's why I preach, practice practice practice and from different scenarios. I do agree 9 out of 10 deer their first reaction upon hearing the twang is to duck.

Like if you're shooting from a high 24 FT stand and that deer is only 20 yards. I'm going to aim center Mass. Especially if I take out the crossbow that day. Sorry you didn't recover it was a nice dear, take care and good luck

There are always additional variables to consider and it’s hard to cover all in one video, so that’s what the comments and conversation is for. Thanks for sharing

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​@@WeekendWoodsmen😅

Glad we could help, it’s the least I could do after wounding a deer, hopefully it will mean fewer people and animals experience it. Good luck this year!

Yes tk u for the info... just moved here from Maryland.. looking for a hunting buddy ... and a place to hunt... iam in dayton ohio.... tks

Good luck this year!

you're a stand up dude!! just came across this video, thanks for taking the time to help fellow hunters!!@@WeekendWoodsmen

Glad it was helpful and thank you for the comment and the support! @@brett1567able

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Brian, I was told ages ago that the basic reason for holding low was because the downward trajectory takes gravity out of the equation, that if you aim from a tree stand like you would on flat ground, you'll always hit(or miss) high. From what I'm seeing in this video and some others I've watched, the reason to hold low is to account for the deer ducking prior to launching it's hairy ass out of the area. How much of what I've been told is correct, and how low should I be aiming? I don't know if it's worth mentioning, but I shoot a recurve. Should I just follow the advice here on this channel, or is there more to it? Thanks.

Someone else mentioned that. Makes sense! I guess that also means that you are better off stopping the deer, even though it is “on alert”? What do you think?

Well idk. But let’s say a deer is grazing or eating at a cornpile. Now that I know that I would rather wait for their head to be up. I used to just assume it was best to shoot when their head was down if you get the option

Good job, Seth. I've tried to explain that to many people and I think I must get too technical. The way you explain it is much simpler and easy to follow. I usually can generate a deer in the headlights look shortly after I explain an "equal but opposite reaction." I never realized how far a deer can move like that until I put a scope on my crossbow that records video.

Great stuff!

That's one of the best things about this, is also learning from you all!

100% agree, I actually do something I am not sure a lot of other people do, to get "Mental Reps" on deer I don't plan to shoot. Check it out! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/i7x9pr1pxr3GdIk.html Thanks for the comment!

Great advice. I say the same thing because I've learned the hard way. Practice how you hunt!

@@KeepinYouUp07 💯 thanks!

Great reminders, thanks!

Great advice and very true ! I had a friend/customer that was getting ready for a Canadian whitetail archery hunt. I had told him the same thing about practicing in what you will be wearing. The next day he called me in a panic, begging me to come to his house and help him figure out what was wrong with his equipment. He was shooting 2ft to the right at 20 yards and his grouping was opened up pretty badly. I get to his house after work and he looks like the Michelin man , lol ! He is wearing his 40 below zero , white snow suit he planned to hunt in. We had to retune and resight his bow ! Had I not given him the advice to practice in his hunting suit, he likely would have had a catastrophic Canadian hunting trip . Even a thin net type face mask can wreck your anchor point and cause a miss, or worse, a bad hit.

It's good to see someone to understands what it is all about! Appreciate the comment and good luck this year!

Appreciate the comment! Thank you! Good luck this year!

Yeah this bah thing is not very smart. Back in the late 80s hunting shows started doing this. Take your mouth and make a clicking noise like you would to a horse. You set a deer up to explode with the bah.

Thanks for the suggestion I will have to try that! There have been times that softer/different noises doesn't stop the deer or doesn't stop them long enough for a shot. Notice I went softer at first (I always try to start subtle), then I went loud. I would rather have the deer stopped and on alert than gone with no chance at a shot.

I read they drop 75% faster with their head down

Interesting

Thanks for the comment! It does make it hard! Have to be able to plan ahead and think about different scenarios so you are just reacting vs trying to figure it out on the fly!

It’s tough!!! Thanks for the comment. Good luck this season!

Thanks for the comment! Good luck!

Glad you liked it! Thanks for the comment!

When I began bow hunting, I had to learn to manage buck fever, not used to seeing so many more deer bow hunting, vs rifle hunting. Enjoy the show, & relax. “Just focus on hitting that small pea sized spot on your target”.

@@L2FlyMN Also spend some time thinking about where deer will come from, and shooting lanes around you so when you are in the moment you have less to think about and are more in reaction mode. Mental prep is a huge component to bow hunting. Thanks for the comment!

if your deer are spooky at 100 yards, you probably won't ever see one at 20

@@Day12My very true

Thanks! It’s harder to get your brain to allow it than you would think 🤣. Appreciate the comment!

Thanks for the comment! I was also shocked I didn’t spine him, I wish I would have 😔

Thanks for the comment! They also drop even when they aren’t on high alert. It’s amazing how much the drop when they hear that bow regardless!

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Not gonna lie tho them aluminum arrows seemed to blow through anything they hit, it took me some time to get my arrows right when i switched to carbon weight wise.

I used to shoot aluminum also, they were tanks!

@@WeekendWoodsmen Easton gamegetters! Oh for the old days…!!!

🤣 I forget what I shot but they were Eastons!

Thanks for the comment and great advice!

Awesome! Congratulations! Especially on those close shots, it is easy to miss high because of the steep angle (any small move up will be exponential) Thanks for the comment!

Thank you!

Hunt long enough and we will all make mistakes. I love it when people can openly share so others can learn. Thanks for sharing and good luck this year!

@@WeekendWoodsmen Thanks! Same to you!

At that distance they not only drop but begin to turn. I've also had them freeze not knowing where the noise was coming from.

@@craig5649 That's right. The further the shot is the more time they have to drop before the arrow makes contact and they'll have time to turn away as well. Having said that Mostly I wouldn't take a long shot like that.

Thank you, I was really hoping I had clipped that artery, no dice ☹️ thanks for the comment

That’s right! I had a few people reply that they took this advice and shot too low, and I said “that’s really hard to do”

Thanks!

Yup, you are correct, and on steep shots they have no time to drop so works out well!

@@WeekendWoodsmen Even if they did have time to drop, the location of the entry wound is irrelevant as long as the center of the wound tract goes through the bottom third.

Many people can’t see it in real time, they are naturally going to load up, which makes them drop. Appreciate the comment!

Nice shot! Congratulations!

Appreciate the thoughtful comment!

That’s crazy! Appreciate the comment!

Witnessed the same thing at 25 yards. Missed her clean! They can be masters, at dodging arrows. I’ve even shot low, expecting the drop, then they jump instead. 😑🤷‍♂️

Impossible based on physics and reaction time. An animal simply can’t react that quickly at 10 yards to dodge an arrow. Either you are lying or there is something you aren’t telling hs

Waholo, nope. I had a ~15 yard deer duck my arrow last year shooting my micro mag at around 320 fps. Here's the thing about physics (and I'm a PhD in solid state physics): the Schrodinger wave equation allows information to go in both directions in the time stream. Look it up. So a deer may be acting on instincts that don't conform to typical linear time models. Second, they have a head with mass. I can whip my hand down to catch a dropped pair of keys faster than free fall due to overall momentum of my body. A deer can whip its body center low faster than gravity if it is moving it's head up quickly at the same time. Pretty amazing, but not at all impossible. Good hunting.

@@waholoopesorry74 " *Impossible based on physics and reaction time* " A trad bow at 150fps would take about 0.2s to reach the doe. Theoretically possible, but not really. I remember I once counted the frames on a collection of bowhunting hits. Embarrassingly, I don't remember the result, only the conclusion, that chasing speed in order to hit quicker seemed like a folly idea. The animals reacted, sure enough, but the reaction time was fairly consistent and quite reasonable. Anybody can repeat my approach. A "." and an "," advances and backs up the video by one frame increments. Just find a compilation and start counting. Should be useful, especially for people who think that 30% more speed is a worthy trade off for the penetration potential.

Absolutely! Great point

The shoulder and bone structure is what pushes my aim point back a little further than what most recommend.

I did not hit scapula. I aim back edge of the leg to take it out of play completely.

You are welcome! Thanks for the comment!

Yup, many people don’t even realize it is happening because they can’t see it in real-time. The camera tells the real story! Thanks for the comment!

The speed of the arrow would make a difference. I'm shooting 425 grain at 350 fps.

When you shoot from an elevated position,your POI is slightly higher than aiming point .. yea????

I really only think about my elevation if the deer is really close like 15 yards and in. In those situations they don’t have much time to drop. General rule of thumb is aim for where you want The arrow to exit

@@b.a.lineman7582 both mine were from the ground and pretty level shooting position but I get your point and will keep it in mind if I start using a tree stand

Yup! Glad you appreciate the video! Thanks for the comment!

Sorry to hear it, and it is also what we try to do, which is make it better for all (including the animals). 🙂 good luck this year!

Hopefully it makes a difference!! Thanks!

That scapula is tough to get through if you hit it, sorry to hear it. Thanks for the comment!

Thanks Mike. It was tough, I’m hoping sharing my experience will prevent others from feeling it!

Yes, it’s a complete heartbreak to wound a beautiful animal. Pick up a rifle and all that STOPS.

Awesome! That’s why we do this! Good luck!

Thank you!

That’s was why he sat inside 20 yards for so long with no shot attempts! I am also very careful with lanes and obstructions! Thanks for the comment!

I 100% agree that stopping the deer puts them on alert and makes it extremely likely they are going to drop. I have a hard time saying it’s okay to shoot at a walking deer, I don’t even like shooting at a moving deer with a gun. Have I done it? Yes. Do I recommend it, no. Ideally you are either stopping the deer and aiming lower 1/3, or you are waiting for the deer to stop normally and STILL think aim lower 1/3. That being said, you have to know your capabilities and your equipment, so I am not going to tell you “you are wrong” just, general recommendation for most people, would be to wait until the deer is stopped.

@@WeekendWoodsmen If you’ve never watched “Bowhunting October Whitetails” with Barry Wensel , I’d recommend you checking it out. It’s pretty eye opening.

Will check it out, appreciate the comment!

I'm with you. I don't stop deer inside 20 yards unless they are moving fast.

@@IIDASHII We try not to, which is also why he walked right through my first shooting lane!

Awesome good luck this year. Thanks for the comment!

Glad you like it! Appreciate the comments and support.

Excellent advice 100% agree with it and I wanted to make sure that others learned from my mistake, it in a small way makes a bad situation better. We owe it to the animals we hunt! thanks for the comment!

I am not meaning to say anything negative. Far from it. A few yrs. ago I went to Nevada on a deer hunt. I took this suggestion from a older guy. I thought he was full of it. That was the first mistake I made. We were using rifles in that hunt. I remembered what he had told. A nice buck came out, at about 150 yds. Took my time squeezed the trigger, shot about 2 1/2inches above the shoulder. Dropped him right there. Since I had another tag, we sat there and talked. This guy bet me $700 that I could not do it again. The older guy that taught me about this was with us. I said OK , then Ed said he would double up. OK, the guy that had bet $1400 I will add another $700. O K . Ed looked at me, the next deer that came up, same distance. I thought if I miss , I will have to pay this $2100. Needless to say, I look in Ed at Ed, and he winked at me, told me you got this. He told me to take my time. I sueezed

Since I accidently hit the arrow to send it. When I squeezed the trigger, watched the deer drop right there. That was the most money I made in about 30 minutes. I would definitely try to go to some 3 D shoots.duringthe summer months. It is fun and you learn quite a lot from each other👍

I have heard 3D shoots are fun. I do plan to try them sometime! Thanks for sharing!

3 D shoots are a blast! Once you go to one, you will be hooked, really. Everyone shares little things and bounces this and that off each other. I love them. Believe me when bow season starts, you will even be more sure of yourself. I will say, people will share everything they know. I have a Mathews TacTic and I use a HHA single pin slider sight. Makes it easier to adjust for different distances. One trick a senior pro showed me to set different distances I to take a piece of cardboard and use gorilla glue tape and tear it in half. Then the cardboard , which I use about an 18 inch square make one tape vertical and the other tape horizontal. The HHA sight you can make adjustments so you are hitting dead on where you are aiming. I use it and I set my my bow out to 40 yards. The HHS sights come with different sight tapes. Makes things so much easier. If you know someone that can help you, it makes it so much easier. Once you get this taken care of, bow hunting is even more fun, just saying and losing arrows are a thing of the past. Bowhunters are a different breed of hunters.

You are welcome! Thanks for the comment!

thanks for the comment

Congratulations on the deer, appreciate the comment and good luck to you this season!

🤣🤣 what video are you watching?

So glad someone else said this. That deer did not move one bit until the arrow hit🤣🤣🤣

@@tannerharris1483 and you both clearly didn’t watch the whole video…🤣🤣 Jokes on you bud there’s a reason you are now pinned to the top.

you and tannerharris are either blind or trolling because the deer obviously moved. My father and his father taught me to aim low in bowhunting here in western Maryland for the exact same reason.

lol@@pickler_pickler

Kinda the ENTIRE point…

FFS watch the video and use your brain. Braindead comment.

No sht sherlock, thats the point of the vid...omg lol

Thanks for the comment and the subscribe! Good luck this year!

Good luck out there!

Seems like you are really angry and lacking drastically on specific instruction. You are also clearly not paying attention to the video where I say, something along the lines of “Unless they are really close” and had the deer not dropped then it would have been a double lung, so what specifically is your actual problem with aiming at the heart? Because 99% of the time a deer is dropping whether on alert or not, and alerting the deer to get its head up actually REDUCES the amount a deer will drop contrary to popular belief. Finally you should read through the comments on the number of people this has helped before you start giving crap to people about “making money”. How many other people would have made this same mistake if this video didn’t exist? At what point was I in a better position to take a more ethical shot? The first lane I had I DIDN’T stop him because I DIDN’T want to alert him and he walked right through it, that’s the risk you take when you don’t stop them when you need them stopped. How many people do you see out there highlighting mistakes they have made so others don’t have to? Everyone else just “sweeps them under the rug” You should really try to broaden your perspective, and if you are going to criticize someone, you should offer specific information on how to improve, otherwise. So I will ask, where would you have aimed in this situation?

@@WeekendWoodsmen you need to acquire some sound experience before giving instructions. I did offer you some information, stop playing with your camera and focus on making a clean shot. I commend you for admitting your shot was bad that's more than some others would do.

@@user-ql4ji8di9x camera or not the advice is sound. Thanks for the comments

1 never alert the deer to your presence if you would of stopped messing with the camera you would of killed that buck and you are wrong about lower 1/3rd if that deer doesn't drop you just shot to low here's my advice on a deer stop with bad advice you just made a bad shot in happens we all make mistakes but stop with the excuses

to each their own on stopping the deer. yes that is the downside to filming...and the lower 1/3 MOST deer drop and if you shoot at the lower 1/3 it's a heart shot vs aiming CENTER MASS which is too high to start let alone when that drop. it was a mistake that is admitted in the video? Aimed too high which means I shot too high? lol@@tylernewton3719

Glad it helped, thank for the comment!

Thanks for the comment!

The unwillingness to listen is pervasive throughout our country! Thanks for the comment

Thank you!

Glad it helped! Thanks for the comment

Congratulations on your buck and thanks for the comment!

Appreciate the comment!

For sure! Thanks for the comment!

good luck!

Glad you enjoyed it! Have to make the most of a bad situation!

@@WeekendWoodsmen just shows you are a true leader. Not afraid to own mistakes and share so other may benefit. A rare find nowadays!

@@user-fq4ku3jk1p appreciate it and try to live it every day!

@@WeekendWoodsmen❤

Really appreciate the comment!

What about one jumping the string when shooting low?

They don’t really “jump” they always drop. Even if they were to jump they would load up first resulting in a drop.

It's vital to know yardage when aiming low. Probably thousands of deer hit in the brisket doing this then finding the deer was a bit farther out than thought.

Yup! You better believe the lower 1/3 (and really the belly line) on my target this year is WORN OUT!!!

Glad it helped! Good luck!

Appreciate the comment! Good luck this year!

Thanks for the comment!

Glad to hear it!

Greetings! Thanks for the comment and good luck on that moose hunt!!

Great! Check out the “Vital V” by Ranch Fairy, he has good stuff in shot placement too

@@WeekendWoodsmen I'll check it out for sure.

Thanks!

good luck!

Thank you! You as well!

thank you!

It hurt, not sure what was worse, thinking it was a good shot and finding out otherwise or knowing it was a bad shot from the start 😔

Good luck!

Thanks so much! Good luck to you also!

Appreciate it and thanks for the comment!

Awesome! Congratulations! Thanks for the comment

Sure thing! Thanks for the comment!

Thank you for the kind words!

It is so hard to do! 🤣 I literally would tell people this all the time, then I make the same mistake!

Yes it is! Appreciate the comment!

Glad to hear it! Good luck this year!

It is absolutely harder said than done. I knew better when I made this shot too, made a mental mistake. It also made me think about how many people may not realize it, which is what led us to create the video! Thanks for the comment!

@@WeekendWoodsmen it just doesn’t feel right aiming that low, especially when shooting at a regular target from flat ground. After my first season we set up a tree stand in my friends yard to set try and mimic every scenario I ran into. Also for learning quartering shots, I had an old target that was layered so the arrow would protrude out the back. I placed a piece of duct tape on the backside of the target and visualize where I wanted to exit. I would practice left and right quartering shots. In doing that was amazed how far back I would have to aim to exit where I wanted.

You are doing it right! Kudos to you! Mental reps and physical reps are all incredibly important

Thank you! Good luck to you also!

@@WeekendWoodsmen thanks 😊

Totally agree! Appreciate the comments!

It's great advice and I hope you never have to feel what I felt! Thanks for the comment!

Appreciate the comment! Shot angle should come into play at close range. If the deer is close (let’s say inside 15 yards) you have to be careful about aiming low because if you miss the heart you risk a “one lung” hit by catching the front lung and exiting below the second lung. This will lead to a long or impossible recovery. At close range the deer don’t have time to react at close range so you can get away with a higher aim point to account for the steeper angle. For shots outside 15 yards, unless you are 30 feet up in the tree (which we do not recommend) the angle becomes less prominent and the deers reaction time becomes a bigger factor, so you should aim low. Hope that helps!

It’s a tough lesson to learn! Thanks for the comment.

Thanks for the comment!

Thanks for the comment! That is our hope!

I made sure to take extra steps to silence my bow also! Good luck this year!

I put yarn silencers on my longbow and i shoot a pretty heavy arrow. I have yet to have a deer drop before the arrow reached them. Granted i have not killed a huge number of deer, but i have been pretty lucky with it so far.

Sure! Thanks for the comment!

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Thanks for the comment

Fantastic! Congratulations! I just shot a doe last week. Never made a noise completely non-alert at about that same distance. She dropped a number of inches and I took the top of her heart out, she crashed within 50 yards!

Really glad to hear it!! Congratulations!