Krystal hits the nail on the head. This map is contrived to not allow people to easily pick sides. It isn't supposed to make sense.

This is gonna be Tim Pool’s favorite movie.

The fact that you failed to identify Colorado undercuts the rest of your arguments

The “What kind of American?” line gets me every time. So well delivered! 👏🏾 chills

Saagar is such a dude lol. Like many of us, he sees the absurdity of the premise but can't help himself but start running the numbers on things like industrial base an nuclear weapons. Cheers mate, that made me happy today.

"I like Oklahoma, it seems OK" I see what you did there Saagar, even though it was unintentional. 😂

Here's my theory: California and Texas is an alliance of convenience. They pool resources towards the effort to break away, then part ways if successful.

I'm thoroughly impressed neither of these two know where Colorado is on a map.

The most unrealistic part of this is California and Texas forming some kind of Alliance.

I think Krystal is correct that if it made sense it would be cringe. I think the movie is likely to be less about our current political predicament and more a reminder of how horrible it would be to have to answer the question "What kind of American?" -- which I think is valid as hell.

One problem is believing there has to be only two sides in a civil war.

To make the movie red state vs blue would be a mistake, Krystal is correct on that. That said Saagar is also correct in that any civil war in America is likely to be urban VS rural. That in itself would be interesting since the majority of food and raw materials comes from the rural areas while finished goods come from the urban areas. Would the urban areas starve before the rural areas ran out of finished goods they need (my belief is the urban areas would be in for a world of hurt).

The most unbelievable part of this movie is mainstream journalists being the good guys

Funny that Sagaar can’t point to Utah and call it Colorado

As a former Oklahoman (and former Texan) Oklahoma is a great state. It's much more varied than it gets credit for - much of the state is forested hills and mountains rather than flat farmland. And its history is very different from Texas's - they weren't even permanently colonized by the same European power.

In a Civil War 2.0, the lines would be drawn along counties not states.

I’m just glad they’re making a movie with an original concept

Krystal is right. Alex Garland wasn't going to just make it north vs south again. And, technically, I don't believe Texas and CA are the same ideologically in this scenario. Rather, they've both seceded and made an alliance to not fight each other. There's a difference.

I love how discussion about the movie isn't about whether or not the concept of a civil war in the US is impossible or not, but it is centered around the TX/CA alliance and the journalist lead

I am so excited for this film. The map and alliances, i take it to be more unrealistic just to avoid giving crazy people any ideas.

How the hell is South Carolina not included in the "Florida Alliance"?? 😂

Both Alaska and Hawaii would definitely do their own thing. Alaska would make an independent treaty with Canada. Hawaii would just quit answering the phone.

The map is kinda interesting when you thing about it; at least with the Texas and California part. Texas would secede and become it's own country again, California would vote to become it's own Republic. Both states may not agree with how the other is run but an alliance out of necessity would make sense to prevent each of them from having to stand alone. You run your state the way you want to and we will run ours the same. It's simply a military alliance kind of like NATO.

Afghanistan, Iraq, and North Korea watching this like “Do They Even Need Us Anymore?”

Did Saagar just confuse Wyoming for Colorado!?! Come on Saagar show Colorado some love.

It is quite absurd but to be fair to whoever wrote the script and such for the movie, they probably were intentionally being unrealistic about it to not encourage people that fantasize about too much. And a new civil war would be more akin to Guerilla war and violent riots rather than organized nation states.

As a texan we would never join California in a alliance

Saagar: "How absurd! .... now, let's crunch some numbers..."

Glad the writers realized the cultural differences between Texas and the old south.

I think A24 is known for some really good movies. So I'm excited.

I love that Saagar is a huge film buff. Step your game up Krystal!

I don't think it's bizarre at all for a California/Texas alliance, I think it actually makes sense and this is why: 1. Texas has always have had separatist tendencies and never to separate with others, but by itself (aka being the Lonestar state). 2. California has laid out a "strategy" to divide itself into several different sections and to actually separate from the USA (aka Calexit). 3. Texas doesn't want to combine with southern states, like Alabama, Mississippi or Arkansas, territories they see as welfare states. 4. California and Texas are the two states with the GDP that could definitely prosper as their own countries. California and Texas would be a marriage of convenience at most. Fight together to separate from the United States and then go on their merry ways. I don't think anyone would say they are tied at the hip as "like-minded" places. The thing I don't agree is with the "Western Forces". I think Washington, Oregon and Minnesota would be part of the "Loyalist" states and the rest of the west would become the Free states of America (neutral and out of this conflict)......that and Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee and West Virginia would more join this southern "Florida" alliance than be with the Loyalists (unless they are taken over by the Loyalist US military). And BTW, these states borders would be ripped apart, it will more of a series of ever shifting blobs of where loyalty lies. And I don't agree that because a certain group of people live here (rural red, urban blue for example), that will automatically mean that they will become a territory of something.....As we have seen in other wars, the migration of a war-torn population is commonplace and that will happen here as people flee. That map is just a starting point.

For once Krystal has it right, I think the producers were neutralizing our politics in the movie, so our attention goes toward the story, not in how a side is being presented that way we can all absorb what Civil War perhaps actually looks and feels like, to scare us or to warn us or just to tell a story.

Pretty sure Saagar mixed up Colorado and Wyoming. They may just be 2 squares, but they are very different 😂

You never know. Sometimes ppl form alliances by necessity, not similar ideology. Texas and California would probably be the only states that could realistically survive as independent countries. Maybe they formed an alliance to help each other secede, but after the war they would separate. I mean look at any major war in history. There are always troubling, shaky alliances that form out of necessity. I think the important part isn’t the map itself, but how accurate the beliefs of the players involved are compared to the divisive ideologies currently present in this country. I think the map is supposed to look chaotic, like our country is broken, sliced up beyond repair. When I first saw the map, the first thing that popped in my head was the revolutionary flag with a serpent cut into 8 pieces. “Unite or die.” Seems fitting to me.

Oklahoma would go with Texas due to the populations having so many family members living in both states. Oklahoma oil and gas reserves also tie it closely to Texas

As a born and raised Oklahoman, I take zero offense to being referred to as basically Texas, after all we are Texas's hat and what is a Texan without his hat?

" I've been to Oklahoma, it's OK ." Saagar

Rare time where BP didn't understand the assignment. The director already explained his choices why.

A US civil war map would look very close to a Red Blue election map with it being more city oriented rather than state oriented.

I hope there will be scene in the movie where someone ask: "remind me how we end up split this way", then the quick succession of absurd events which make the map logical. It could be comedy gold.

Alex Garland is one of the most talented and brilliant screenwriters of his generation. I'm sure there will be some good explanations in the film. He thinks every detail through. I'm excited to see what happens in it.

This looks like a map of: People who live or lived in CA People who wish to live in CA People who don’t wish to live in CA

i felt like the point of having Texas and California together (besides the ‘enemy of my enemy’ mindset) was to avoid it seeming like overly red vs blue a la The Hunt from 2020, which everyone thought was obnoxious. this seems more like driven by wanting to show what it would be like to live through this on the ground.

"I like Oklahoma; it seems OK." -Saagar, unwitting comedy genius

If you guys want a realistic take on what a modern day civil war might look like , read Euel Arden’s novel Down Here in the Warmth. Takes place in NYC. After a race riot a militia comes down to manhattan to try to start a larger event. Yada yada yada… running battles, attempted recruitment of key public figures, media manipulation of the masses. A well written, prescient novel (came out during the blm riots in 2020) . very intense book.

Imagine being so ignorant that you can't identify Colorado on a map.

I somewhat agree with Sagaar that our differences don't lie on geographical lines anymore but they do seem to align somewhat between urban (city) and rural populations with the suburbs being a mixed bag. I think the movie will still be cringe so I'll probably wait till it streams unless someone else tells me it was good.

Saagar wants Timothee Chalamet to “bulk up”, he wants to untwink Chalamet.

Saagar probably gave this more thought than the filmmakers. A24 has put out some interesting films.

The reason they have Texas and California together on the same side, is to avoid it being TOO realistic. That was obviously intentional, and im glad they took that approach. As i would have EXPECTED Hollywood to simply portray all of the Red states as being the "bad guys." By taking this approach, you can't really accuse them of doing that.

You know how Americans are with their movies...when star trek came out grown men wore turtlenecks and were fascinated by lasers for decades. Its a blueprint, give it a few years, I'm sure y'all can make this work.

The Filmmakers are genius, because it now adds to the curiosity of why Texas and California are together. If they would've made it Texas and Florida or New York and California for example than it becomes predictable.

Didn’t think I’d hear that Saagar wants Timothee Chalamet to bulk on todays show 😂

Ok. Check it out people. IF something like this actually happens, NOBODY is going to be able to predict how the map is going to split up!! When there were predictions that US building could be targeted by jet airliners in the mid to late 90s, people said that was absurd. Nobody can predict the future, or how a potential splintered US would look. Let's be a bit more realistic, and not attempt to analyze how something that could occur so many different ways.

I’m guessing the movie is going to focus more on how a civil war would impact the people of a country more so than providing an accurate prediction of which states would ally with which other states.

California would control the entire west coast in this scenario not just its territory

I love how Krystal and Saagar are basically like the boys vs. girls with a time machine ,meme on who they would support in the war.

I admit that it’s an odd choice to have Texas & California team up, but since the plot is intentionally kept vague, maybe we should reserve judgement until we see the movie and the back story has been revealed to us. It’s an alternative universe and history, maybe there’s a plausible explanation. Maybe not, but maybe there is.

I think they're reading the map wrong. There's no reason to think that the "Republic of California" and the "Second Republic of Texas" are allied. They're just the same color. They used the grey color for two separate entities as well.

"I love movies I'm an AMC A-List member." As a fellow cinephile trying to keep the movie theater scene alive you now have my full respect Saager.

“It doesn’t make any goddamn sense.” 😂

I’m hoping the movie debuts before the real Civil War.

That’s not Colorado, Saagar. And that guy was not in The Wire.

Alex Garland is an amazing writer in speculative fiction and an awesome screenwriter. The dude did The Beach, Sunshine, 28 Days Later, Annihilation, MEN... so good, this is gonna be rad. Also, it's a movie, I'm not taking this map literally.

What I would be most interested to see in this movie is seeing what circumstances would bring California and Texas to team up together against D.C.

"Indie arthouse"... with a 75 Million Dollar budget. The point isn't picking "sides", it's how awful a Civil War here would be... for everyone. This is why it's following the fictional war correspondents, and not just one of the sides.

Amazes me when people say things like "these states could be countries"... like yes... THEY'RE STATES. Not provinces. The US is a union.

The real flaw is any idea the military would be fully consolidated. There will be so much insurrection and AWOLs in the branches there would be effectively no military force.

I drove through Oklahoma once....and in a tiny gas station I saw the most gorgeous tatted southern accent speaking woman I've ever seen in my life. She will forever be imbedded in my memory lol.

Yea so swing States wouldn't be the only Middle ground faction I don't know why people seem to believe left and right are the only places people stand, but of course you have a fair amount of people standing in the middle as well as all around the outskirts on every side, most of which don't want anything to do with any politics. Realistically who's to say how many factions would actually pop up, or which other countries might get involved?

I’m with Krystal. Virginia has an arsenal of bases alone with NC and SC makes them a powerhouse. But at the end of the day the map is totally off 😂

When A24 stamps it i know it going to be good. They rarely disappoint me.

I agree the map is stupid, but I do believe the movie does play on what a lot of people are feeling these days. There is a definite longing to get away from identity politics, to have a government that actually is "for the people", to be able to get jobs that pay the bills, to not be beholden to corporations, and to choose to just be who they are and be left alone.

If we have a second Civil War it would be Democrats vs Republicans and by the time the dust settles, the majority of the map would be Red .

Sad that things are at this stage

krystal being a loyalist.. is wildly accurate.

It would be my guess that map is intentionally avoiding an obvious red vs blue split.

A second American Civil War would be interesting. There is a reason the bulk of the US Military's bases and footprint are found in the South and it isn't for recruitment or Russians. Any Southern based alliance would highly depend on which way the Military swings.

Sagar is confusing Utah with Colorado on the map

Just saw it. The point is what a civil war might look like, not the political sides and how it would start. This was purposely done in order to not alienate a possible audience. The idea is what happens when political hatreds take over and the pandoras box is thrown open in a society. In other words, Civil Wars lead to mass death, economic and infrastructural destruction, ethnic cleansing and genocide. This is what real civil war would look like in modern America. In fact, the movie probably even downplays this, as is often the case with Hollywood. A real civil war would be much much worse.

One thing to note, the US has a huge military. However, it is primarily composed of non-urban Southern-bred leadership. Like the original US Civil War, the "Union" soldiers ended up serving in the military of their home states. So, the President may be trying to order a military that is mostly going to be loyal to the "other" America. Good luck with that Mr. President.

My favorite part of this clip is Saagar doesn't know where Colorado is 😂

I really hope no one takes this movie seriously😂😂

“big Chalemet head” lmao Sagar never ceases to be hilarious 😂😂

This is not Hollywood. This is A24. This is an independent movie. They are responsible for movies like Hereditary, Midsommar, The Witch, Talk To Me and X.

When y'all saw the previews for Finding Nemo, did you freak out because fish don't actually talk?

The guy made Ex Machina, Annihilation, Sunshine, 28 days Later and the Beach. He’s great at story and pretty intelligent. He’s not Doing that map randomly, and without consideration. No doubt he made it ridiculous so not to get caught up with cultural stuff. I’m sure he’s come up with some kind of an explanation. Who knows, maybe the loyalist states are actually authoritarian, hence the reason you get strange bedfellows like Texas in California.

California and Texas aligning is not as crazy as people think. A lot of California is conservative. It's mainly the Los Angeles area that is progressive. I could also see a lot of the disenfranchised Californians getting fed up to the point of joining Texas in rebellion against the wishes of the L.A. Leftists.

Texas and California being in an alliance has me laughing my ass off. 😂

Pretty sure sagar confused Colorado with wyoming

Factually, people with no higher education and people with multiple degrees are more likely to be liberal. People with 4-8 years of college are more likely to be conservative.

I think the point of having Texas and Cali on the same team was to emphasize that the film was not trying to be political, but instead simply show the reality of the cost and horrors of war. It does not matter the teams. The point of it is people will die and suffer.

Krystal's face after the trailer had me rolling.

I find it funny that people think they know what would happen in a fictional movie.

Saagar has been in DC too long. Can’t even identify Colorado on a map

This film is not about the politics, it’s about the consequences of our division.

Whoever created that map probably see someone like Elon Musk consolidating California and Texas, where tech money rules. Not particularly unrealistic when you consider how much property/power have been concentrated into the hands of just a few men.

"I haven't spent much time [in Oklahoma], it seems OK" good one Saagar

What makes more sense if each state fractured with State of Jefferson area (NorCal) joining Texas, Idaho, southern Oregon (look up Greater Idaho movement). SF and silicon Valley being a CCP Vassal state, and then SOCal going to cartels. Texas (well most states probably) would divide with all of their rural areas separating from the metropolitan cities.