It’s embarrassing that both the Truck and Xfinity Series run more horsepower (700hp) than Cup does (670hp) these days.

Yea I find it really odd that it’s like that makes zero sense

Exactly, at the very least for marketing you'd think they would want advertise a big number to talk about the cars they're driving.

Xfinty runs 650 hp and trucks run lesser then that but still agree with comment they do need more horsepower on short tracks and road courses and eliminate shifter

Nascar has gone woke. It's their job now to go broke.

You could get this if they just made the tire thinner. They have such a massive, thick, wide, tire on these Gen 7 cars that they literally cannot break loose in regular driving. If they kept 670 and reduced the tire size by like 30% it would be better. The problem with the gen 7 car is that they gave it SO MUCH downforce and grip and then reduced the horsepower numbers.

Well, too much HP and they also will blow out tires and go so fast it could get dangerous with crashes even on short tracks and road courses. With 1,000 HP on the high speed road courses, that become dangerous, as would Bristol.

@@V8_DivaThe wheels are bigger diameter, there is not as much tire in the event of a blowout, so going that much faster could get super dangerous.

@ethanweeter2732 you can only go as fast as the track will allow you to go more hp will just make the racing more competitive and entertaining

I don’t know about that. Spec Miata has way more grip than horsepower and that’s some of the closest racing you’ll ever see

Again

I am against having to shift so much. They should not be shifting on most tracks. It does add an element of talent to shift maybe, but road courses and Martinsville you can shift, not a fan of shifting at Bristol.

Need smaller brakes and smaller tires

What Xfinity race did you watch? I don’t believe there were any green flag on-track passed for the lead in Xfinity, and there were 2 in Cup. If it wasn’t for the massive pileup and then Algier blowing a tire late, that race was a snooze fest.

Agreed and xfinity has consistently put on the best races each weekend the past 5 years. I always look forward to Saturday.

Diehard fan, but amen to that. @@boobsball

Xfinity put on a great show there, multi groove racing all over. there were definitely a handful of green lead changes. Guess I'd ask you the same question.@@nathan1sixteen

Xfinity & Trucks run a 60+ year old GMC truck rear suspension. We have the cars in the cup series now because the manufacturers want something similar to what they build & sell which is exactly what they're racing. Cup cars today are closer to a "production" vehicle than they're been since the 60s, with independent rear suspension & transaxle, rack & pinion steering, coil over shocks, etc. ALSO, the spec car has reduced the cost & leveled the playing field, allowing the small teams to have the same parts as the major teams. Andy Petree stated that Childress was spending $3,500 PER A-arm on the front end when ALL costs, engineering, R&D, testing, manufacturing, etc were totaled. That's $14,000 not including the spindle uprights(which were probably at least another $3,500 each). The racing is the best it's been in decades. The top 3 cars crossed the finish line a mere .007 second apart at Atlanta, 15 different winners over the season now with the single source car parts, little teams winning somewhere other than Daytona & Talledega

They don't have bump stops anymore

Absolutely yes. Get the car off the ground by 3-6”. Rear diffuser never has made a difference so take it off too.

Major factor

Blowing engines should be a part of racing.

@@packisbetter90spoken like someone who isn’t paying to replace them

He is a paid actor nowwa days

Hmm, maybe but I would rather think he is more than just a driver these days and being a team/car owner is giving him a bit different view that we are seeing.

That all want to be the favorite child

Didn't get that. Dude seems to be being diplomatic about this and trying to be optimistic. Ripping NASCAR to shreds isn't the only way of analyzing their decisions, and this is from someone who does nothing but hurl invective their way.

I’ve been lost from the sport since Jeff Gordon left. I like JH Nemecheck and Ty Majeski but I’m really starting to cheer for Kyle, however, the issue with the playoffs means the drivers don’t need to “race” all year, your in the hunt and can ride easy until a few months from now

carnage😅

​@@motormech1h343to add 80 HP, ???? ARE YOU SERIOUS. the drivers would actually act right. Amd Make it as professional as they can, Because they want to give the fans and Nascar a big ol HEY LOOK HOW MUCH BETTER THIS IS Compaired to what there running now that can barely do a burnout ,

​@@Tow_Sr. I didn't realize they already had 920HP 🙄

@@motormech1h343 These drivers are surely talented enough to handle appropriately high HP. They're in the biggest oval racing series in the world. Most, if not all of the Cup drivers have driven race cars with higher HP than Cup currently has.

The All Star race at the LA colosseum is a total joke. North Wilkesboro is much better,

I don't think that's the case other than super speedways It's more about wanting pack racing

@@johnhaas2523yea the problem with 1000 horsepower the racing will go back to spread out and the fans have said how much they hate that

Bullshit! Dirt Modifieds run an 8 inch tire & unlimited HP is a liability not an advantage. GM makes a 405HP/350ci crate motor specifically for them. The only dirt cars capable of hooking up big HP are winged sprints & late models & even they can burn the tires off. Most dirt racers care more about engine longevity than max HP.

The expense comes when you have blown engines and more blown tires.

750 should be the minimum for Next Gen. It doesn't need more than that to be a good car.

I mean the sport has zero legitimacy left adding Hp would only be a small part in fixing it

The manufacturers, team owners & drivers ALL have input & they all disagree with you. They had very close to 1,000HP & were turning the engines almost 11,000rpm, before the gear rules. They were forced to change valve springs 3 times per weekend at a cost a over $3,000 per set & were lucky the engines lasted the entire weekend. 200mph seems to be the top speed that it's safe to race at. Cutting the HP & aero helps keep the speed down & the pack closer together. Most of y'all have never experienced driving at high speeds & have zero knowledge to form an opinion. 150 mph without traffic is very "busy", to say the least, even with a good handling car. Races "back in the day" were boring as hell because the winner, usually only 1 or 2 posibilities, won by multiple laps instead of by tenths of a second. Petty would have NEVER won 200 races in today's world, probably wouldn't have won 200 IF David Pearson ever ran a full season "back in the day". Easy to be an armchair quarterback when ya don't actually have to pay the bill or produce results!

@@bradgriffith4231if you’re worried about costs, go be an accountant and leave the racing to everyone else

Completely false.

Lets be honest. I agree with you , BUT they have them tuned to the moon, if they add .003% more they will run so lean they'll blow holes in the Pistons , there maxing them out for the Plate they give them at the TBs, you can only have so much HP with the Air that chokes them off so bad. There is no problems with any parts of the engines. All except the Nascars BUllshit Reatrictor Plates / throttle boddie Reducers , them engine guys are Very good at tunes. Probably best in the world. But with a 3" round reducer from nascar , they can't get any.more.out of them woth anything other than a Turbo, Forced air. Or SUPER CHARGED Intake manifolds , unless NASACAR gives them the 4" or 5" TBs there choked Stuck at 670/685 HP, !!! 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡💔💔💔💔

Pretty sure it’s a bit more than that lol. Probably need a new cam and springs setup. That’s probably about it

@@guntherdadson5046 they probably run a different intake port depending on horsepower too. A larger port made for 900 hp is going to give up air velocity at low RPM for more air flow at high RPM. It would be wise to optimize the intake tract to maximize average horsepower over the entire Rev range. So I'm sure it would involve a different port job on the intake manifold and heads, as well a different camshaft.

@@C6Z_Bob ya like a high ram. I get that. Also you got a C6Z?

Internals ain't even close. Everything is optimized for low-mass since they don't gotta worry about larger forces than a 550 HP lump can produce.

Here’s the weird “catch-22” you run into. If you add Horsepower to the cars at Phoenix (whether it’s 750 or 1000), you’ll actually encourage drivers to shift with the current setup. Drivers road around in 4th gear all day, and only at the end of the backstretch did some of them shift to 5th, but most just bounced it off the reverse limiter at the very end of the straightaway. Increasing horsepower would mean the cars pick up speed faster, which would mean they’d be shifting mid-straightaway at Phoenix.

​@@nathan1sixteen That's if they keep the same ratios. They could and probably would change ratios to work better with the new horsepower numbers.

More horsepower means the cars could handle higher gear ratios so nascar could just eliminate 5 gear@@nathan1sixteen

@@snooks250sx I HIGHLY doubt they would move from 5 gears back to 4 gears, as that seemed to be one of the major “advancements” they made in the car

I think 800 HP would be better for Martinsville even. Make it so the tire wear goes up again.

@@ethanweeter2732 if you bring more tire wear it can make the racing poor. Let them race, but make it easier to make a mistake getting out the corners

They run the 750 HP engine & less downforce at ALL tracks shorter than 1 1/2 mile

@@bradgriffith4231 I think they have the 670hp package buba.

Unrestricted 900+

You don't know sh!t about engines & tuning. A naturally aspirated engine MUST have the A/F & ignition timing correctly optimized. More fuel only works when you run juice, a huffer, or hairdryers. Lean melts engines down & rich destroys driveability, throttle response & MPG. N.A. engines usually make the most HP a bit towards the lean side, 12.5:1 to 13:1. Nothing like a bunch of internet "experts" who don't know sh!t about what they're talking about. Electronic controls are controls, not magic HP creators & port FI actually makes less HP than carbs. NHRA Pro Stock & the show, "Engine Masters", have both proved it. Only 1 PS pass since 2016, when they went to FI, quicker than the old record with carbs & that pass was made with an altitude air density of 1,400 feet BELOW sea level. E.M. proved the same results on their dyno. BTW, NASCAR vehicles still get the same MPG with FI & ECM as they did with carbs, even though the HP has been reduced & the cars are more aerodynamic. MY 150 mph NASCAR look, hot rod pickup with a 409ci SBC, Holley 750 DP carb & MSD ignition gets over 20% better fuel economy than my '04 Tahoe with a 4.8 & "engine management".

Good

Well you don’t understand aero lol

The current Cup car is the closest thing to a production car that they've raced since the 50s & they're running it because the manufacturers want them racing something like their selling. Xfinity & trucks run a 60 year old GMC truck rear suspension. The single source cars have lowered the cost so the little guys can come close to competing with the big teams when they all run the same parts. All you experts should go start your own racing series since you think y'all know more than the group that's been doing it for 70 years while EVERYBODY else went by the wayside. If ya want to make it better, bulldoze all the big tracks & only race at 1 mile tracks or shorter. Glad to see them going to Rusty Wallace's 7/8 mile track in Iowa this year.

Then they should cut the downforce in half so the corner speeds go down, then straightaway speeds won’t be so high

@@dsz2448 good point 👍

100% it's the lawyers.

So they put out an unsafe car but they’re worried about high speeds? Yah ok.

They have crashed and hurt more drivers and fans by putting the plates on cars. Creating pack racing will cause more wrecks and the hp will continue to go down because they think it will make them wreck less.

They say the 604 is 400hp sealed!!! Some of the Certified builders have some tricks to get more hp out of them and stay legal!!!

It was the cam, not FI that made the difference. Your crate motor only had a 208* cam(used to be called "RV cams") to make the 405HP. NHRA Pro Stock & the show "Engine Masters" have both proven that carbs make more power than port FI. PS has only had 1 pass in 9 seasons quicker than the old carb record & it was made with an altitude air density of 1,400 feet BELOW sea level.

750 as it was reported

The engines make 950 HP they are restricted to what they have now they are the exact same as they were 10 years ago. Lose the restrictor plate

longer bands in each shift, it would really end up on the gearing of the tranny but i think youre right at any level, a 5th gear opens you up to shifts, too much range. especially when you go to tracks like pocono.

It would have to not only be more HP, but also more RPM. I think the issue with shifting has more to do with RPM than anything else

​@nathan1sixteen that's true as well

Thay only get 6800 RPM,s with low horse power it takes longer to reach max RPM that's why so much shifting !!!!! Not Good !!!!

elevate? or alleviate? they were thinking less shifting with more power.

Mike is enjoying life and running the business with dirty mo media

The car is safe

@@johnhaas2523 Tell that to Kurt you halfwit.

You're correct. They were turning them close to 11,000 before NASCAR started trying to slow them down. They were usually going through at least 2 engines per weekend. When NASCAR ruled against engine changes, they were changing valve springs 3 times per weekend at over $3,000 per set to make it live through the weekend. Reliability goes down & cost goes up when you start stressing parts closer to their limit. Almost never see a blown engine now, which saves the teams a lot of $$$$ when an engine is somewhere in the $100,000 range.

You’re in the wrong field if you’re worried about money

You could also take away some downforce so they're forced to slow even more for the corners and can't exit at the high speeds that they're currently capable of doing. I also think this would be an improvement to the racing. If they still don't like the straightway top speeds, adding drag is easy.

@@_red_scorpion_The idea sounds attractive but Aero-push is a monster for NASCAR. Reducing downforce will effect the cars to slow them down for sure but the racing would suck because no one could pass. That downforce must stay. NASCAR is constantly fiddling with it anyway.

It should be in a Cup car but NASCAR isn't about going 200 mph anymore

Rick gets to have some fun!

Chevy has been using the same engine since 2007 and Ford since 2009

They never shifted anywhere except road courses and pocono before this crap car. Shifting actually equalizes things because the engine braking helps the drivers, thus narrowing the window one driver might have to out brake another

He car was way better He is talking about pass someone the same speed or a little worse is hard

Who cares, nascar will need to improve it if it can’t handle it. Short track racing is dumb

Why don't you show GoodYear how to make your magic tire? They pretty much have that tire now, but rubber gets harder every time it goes through a heat cycle

You don't give many chances to ask Phelps anything or even O'Donnell

Lmao, I’m sorry but this is stupid. I’m all for 210 mph at most. but 250 is when drivers really WILL die. I’m sure your just joking but never know😂

Those kind of speeds at Daytona insurance company ain't going to allow

Not even remotely true. They would need a completely new car do go 250+...

Ding, ding, ding!! Give that person a prize. 🏆😊There's some reason that's gone "unsaid". 👍👍