$529 Manual Espresso VS $450 & $3000 Espresso Machines - Flair 58, Gaggia Classic Pro & Lelit Bianca
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Time Codes:
0:00 - intro
1:20 - flair 58 giveaway
1:55 - flair 58
3:14 - gaggia classic pro
4:50 - Comparing Flair & Gaggia
5:40 - Workflow
9:30 - Taste
10:20 - Which should you buy?
11:19 - Build quality
12:20 - The Verdict
12:48 - Vs the Bianca
13:40 - Grinder
14:38 - Outro
@KyleRowsell 3 жыл бұрын
Are you interested in the non-electric flair 58? Which device would you choose?
@Anthony0855 3 жыл бұрын
@@KyleRowsell is there any specific scales that are good for making coffee or will any scales work
@eihabmahmoud 3 жыл бұрын
Where is the code for the giveaway? I watched the video twice to double check, and it is no where to be seen!
@Nathan-kw2hs 3 жыл бұрын
@@peterabel1057 want to know this as well, doesn’t seem to be specified anywhere
@KyleRowsell 3 жыл бұрын
@@eihabmahmoud it’s there! Watch the upper left corner of the video in the second half of the vid.
@dhletro 3 жыл бұрын
@@KyleRowsell yes it's there!
@davidlyons6235 Жыл бұрын
Some people complain about the work going into getting a cup of espresso with a manual machine but they never consider how much easier they are to clean and maintain.
@brusdaar 3 жыл бұрын
One thing I haven't heard anyone mention is the fact that with an espresso machine needs to be maintained weekly with descaling and cleaning. It seems like with the flair, all you need to do is rinse everything out and you're done. For that reason i've been leaning more towards getting a flair over a normal espresso brewer.
@truckerallikatuk 3 жыл бұрын
Depends on your water really. With good water, you don't need to descale that often at all, just rinse out and clean.
@brusdaar 3 жыл бұрын
@@truckerallikatuk that's interesting. I'm not sure how good or bad the water is here. But, I didn't like the idea of having to descale with a chemical all the time. Some of the videos I saw while researching suggested that you should clean and descale weekly which seemed excessive.
@LivingRad 3 жыл бұрын
amen. Literally in the middle of cleaning my gaggia as I type this lol
@user-mn7te2ey5l 3 жыл бұрын
I got Bezzera Unica. The espresso tastes amazing. I use bottled water from super market. One time cleaning per week is not that bad as long as you can taste awesome cafe at home.
@LivingRad 3 жыл бұрын
@@user-mn7te2ey5l agreed
@brianharder7714 Жыл бұрын
Good review. I just bought the Flair 58. Should be here this week. This will be my step up from the ROK. As for the steam issue, I think unless you are doing latte art, heating the milk via microwave or stove top and then using a whipper will do the deed just fine.
@yasirisfernandez1802 3 жыл бұрын
Your enthusiasm perfectly mirrors all us coffee heads! Great content!
@KyleRowsell 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@The_Loathsome Жыл бұрын
Just got the Flair 58. I’m blown away at the easy it makes rather outstanding espresso.
@chipkk7868 3 жыл бұрын
Love your approach to coffee and honesty in reviews. I can make my decisions for equipment and procedures based upon your singular videos. I recently purchased a distribution tool to improve my puck compression. All that and your videos are just fin to watch.
@KyleRowsell 3 жыл бұрын
Ah this means the world. Just trying to make coffee a little bit more approachable. Glad you feel I’ve done this.
@eduardomedrano520 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video! I was exactly deciding between these 2 machines and because of your explanations I decided to buy the GAGGIA Classic Pro and am very happy with it! Thank you once again, keep up the good work!
@donh1572 3 жыл бұрын
Love, love, love, my flair! Blows away my Rancilio Silvia and my flair isn’t even the 58mm model. Who would have thought espresso technology would improve by going manual. Looking forward to 58 vs Robot challenge
@KyleRowsell 3 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait to share more about it.
@isaiahstruve2224 3 жыл бұрын
Mannn I hear this. My Silvia is really frustrating.
@abueloraton 3 жыл бұрын
@@isaiahstruve2224 The Sylvia is not consistent, right? Is the problem its high pressure pump plus its high water temperature?
@isaiahstruve2224 3 жыл бұрын
@@abueloraton It can be consistent, but its tough. The pressure is a little too high sometimes. And the temp is REALLY high for espresso in my opinion.
@abueloraton 3 жыл бұрын
@@isaiahstruve2224 But the Flair is also a nightmare, isn't it? Its process and its liw temperature make it very limited, don't they? I doubt if it's truly worth it.
@jonathanmartel6485 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, looking to upgrade my ROK to a manual machine that has a pressure gauge to increase my consistency in shots and am seriously considering the Flair 58. Kinda missed the bouncing excitement in your other videos, love the passion you have for coffee.
@alexlazaridisf.7276 3 жыл бұрын
Had the Gaggia for 6 months. Loved it. Had a PID installed and an OPV. Made great espresso. Upgraded to a machine with flow profile later, but remember the Gaggia fondly - my first machine, what an adventure in learning.
@KyleRowsell 3 жыл бұрын
I Love this!
@user-xo2gg3cv7x 4 ай бұрын
@@KyleRowsellsa go
@LastAphelion 3 жыл бұрын
Your content helped me decide to buy a flair 58, thank you so much. I put off buying an espresso maker for yeeeears because I saw what the rabbit hole was like, didn't want to drain my bank account at the time, but didn't to waste 100s of dollars on a machine that was going to frustrate me and that I really wasn't in love with. Fast forward to now, I was thinking about the Mara X, but then I saw the Flair 58. I want to explore outside my coffee comfort zone and expand my palate and be able to perfect lighter roast shots hence my need for pre-infusion and pressure profiling. The Mara X would have been an additional 300 for the flow control. I was considering the ECM Classika which included flow control out of the box for 1600 but then the wait for steam not being a HX... D: I realized at those price points I wasn't fully in love with either nor did I really want to wait for pre-heating times and steaming down times back to back. For less than a third of those prices you get a machine in the Flair that gives full pre-infusion and pressure control, something that not even every machine worth 1000s can even do out of the box. I'm going to spend the coming year with my Flair to find out if I'll hate myself for not getting a semi-automatic, or if I'll want to go with a beautiful lever like the copper Elektra, or maybe I'll never want another machine after this? Can't wait to find out :)
@azimiimran 2 жыл бұрын
How’s it going so far with the flair?
@SWatchik 3 жыл бұрын
Just sat down with a coffee and opened youtube... Perfect timing! ☕ For me the Flair would be my choice. I make one coffee a day, and manually grind my beans so I'm happy with a slower overall process and enjoy the interaction when making a brew. Also I never have milk drinks so easy choice!
@KyleRowsell 3 жыл бұрын
Wonderful! Thanks for sharing.
@mercury15316 3 жыл бұрын
The non-electric version sounds really interesting. Thanks for this great video once again. I hope the distribution chains and retailers will have this available soon in Europe too.
@anderslinder9623 3 жыл бұрын
During the last work-from-home-year I have been really trying to max my AeroPress-experience - now using the Joepresso and NanoFoamer every single morning (along with a C40-grinder). Wanting to upgrade but couldn’t choose between the flair pro2, robot and a la pavoni.. and then the 58 came and made the decision even harder, and now you add in a non electronic version in the mix 😄
@ShaunPanzer 2 жыл бұрын
This wasn’t mentioned by anybody in the comments but I think the Flair 58 is more attractive than the other machine and I’d rather see that on my counter .
@duffyrides 2 жыл бұрын
I have an older Gaggia Classic but i am looking for other options, including the Flair. Thanks for this video!
@LGTVQHD Жыл бұрын
Just brought a cafelat robot and a C40 MK3 grinder for the price of flair 58. Boom I pulled up a good one even in my second try. THAT CREMA, THAT solid steaming puck. Never been so happy while making coffee for mum.
@jisink 2 жыл бұрын
Kyle, love these comparisons you're doing. In the Flair 58 vs Cafelat Robot video, you mentioned the strong clarity of the Flair 58 vs the complexity and gooeyness of the Robot. How would a Gaggia Classic Pro with PID and 9-bar spring compare tastewise?
@thedamnbored 3 жыл бұрын
Your vibe in your videos is so much more relaxed and confident, and i feel like you are really coming into your own. I love the latest videos, and i appreciate your effort and professionalism.
@KyleRowsell 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks friend. Glad you liked this video.
@cheesychester9647 3 жыл бұрын
Big fan of your channel. I'm deep into pour over now, but no experience with espresso. Started this coffee journey 9 months ago w/ a Hario Skerton grinder, random cheap scale and kettle from Amazon, and just a V60. Now I have a Fellow Ode w/ SSP burrs, Clara French press, EKG kettle, Stagg XF, 2x V60's, Acaia Pearl scale, Aeropress, 2x Atmos containers, and some fancy drinking glasses. Spent too much money on coffee this year, but I'm happy to have a hobby during these tough times to keep myself busy. I think the Flair 58 would be a great start for espresso for me since I'm guilty of upgrading all my stuff within months of use. Thanks for the great content Kyle! Keeping an eye out for that code word too.
@KyleRowsell 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment Jacob!
@grrothman Жыл бұрын
I was literally just debating with a buddy whether he should get the Gaggia or Flair for his first espresso machine. Thanks so much for this content!
@Orion-redx7 Жыл бұрын
What did he get?
@therealghost2178 3 жыл бұрын
That puck distribution is on point for sure!
@Roman-ur4dt 3 жыл бұрын
I have the Pro2 and I love it, even though it does have some flaws which the 58 seems to address. Regardless of the flaws, what I love most about the Flair is how quickly I can get an espresso shot out. I have a thermopot on standby so I can get hot water instantaneously. I heat the brew head on the stove while I grind and tamper the shot. Clean up is ridiculously quick - dump the waste, rinse out the basket and the shield and you're done. I can make a latte in 7 minutes including clean up. For the milk I use electric frother with manual temperature control which yields surprisingly good foam.
@Hectorogents Жыл бұрын
What kind of frother do you use?
@Roman-ur4dt Жыл бұрын
@@Hectorogents breville milk frother. I mention it in the video on my channel about making lattes.
@LivingRad 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video. I always love the quality of your content. Maybe the cost is similar but hugely different styles of machines with vastly different features. One thing I keep hearing from people is when entering into espresso it becomes a hobby not just a coffee. It takes work to make good cups of coffee and various tools like grinders, tampers, and accessories to help take it to the next level. For this comparison is really becomes a question if you want to make milk drinks. If Yes go with Gaggia..simple as that. If you are just getting into the coffee scene there is tons of room to grow and resale is pretty good to when you want to upgrade you can quickly and easily ORRR if you want you pick up other more specialty machines like the F58 to accessorize your coffee bar.
@baskloet8834 3 жыл бұрын
I love my Silvia with PID and mods, and it works great for me. But when it comes down to pure beauty in both form and engineering, I'd pick the Flair 58 in an instant
@ChinmayH Жыл бұрын
Ordered the flair after weeks of research. Yes seeing you and James Hoffman all day for weeks 😂. I am excited that this will give me control on temperature, pressure, 58mm portafilter and easy to clean and maintain. Yes it’s expensive but at this price range could not find anything that checked all my requirements. I saw how to mod gaggia for temp control and did not feel comfortable opening up a $450 machine. Getting a sette 270 based on your recommendation, I do have the C40 grinder but looking at a quicker way to grind.
@borzica 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been pondering this decision too! Thanks for the vid
@KyleRowsell 3 жыл бұрын
My pleasure!
@christophert320 2 жыл бұрын
I picked up a Gaggia Classic for $40 that was listed as non-working which only needed a gasket seal and some pretty intense descaling. I really want to mod it but I know that I'm going to want more features even when I'm done. Probably going to end up selling it as well as my Silvia and then I'll pick up a 58 and a Bellman preowned.
@peakproofuk 2 жыл бұрын
Would you recommend a Flair 58 AND a Classic? I've had the famous Gaggia Classic / Iberital MC2 combo for over a decade and I love it but I fancy experimenting with Flair.
@xPho3niix 3 жыл бұрын
Yesss. It's always a good day when that notification pops up.
@gregwhyte7398 3 жыл бұрын
I've literally been making this exact decision recently. What a timely video. Thanks
@chrisflammger8320 3 жыл бұрын
Dude, I bought the flair pro 2 as my first machine. I really like it but then like a week after I got the machine flair announced the 58 and I really want one :( chasing Temps on the flair pro 2 is my life and I t seems that would be so much easier on the 58 with it preheat settings.
@gustavomaeda9448 3 жыл бұрын
Me too
@ACDCphilipp 3 жыл бұрын
Really nice comparison, i had always thought about getting myself a 9barista, just because i love the idea behind it... but a flair seems to let myself have more options and things to experiment with, when the espresso just isnt right to my taste... definetely joining the giveaway, ty for this kyle :D
@yinyang592 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing and giveaway.. what Gaggia bottomless portafilter i s the best to upgrade the machine espresso experience? Thanks.
@Allthesmallteas 2 жыл бұрын
If I want the 58 do you have a recommendation for a good way to heat and froth milk?
@andreavon5929 3 жыл бұрын
Great video Kyle, probably would choose the Bianca, but would like to play with the Flair 58 it looks really gorgeous and I don’t really drink milk base drinks, but the Bianca because of the flow profile and the Flair for the lever machine experience!✌️
@KyleRowsell 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing friend!
@philipji 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video again Kyle!
@zekecoscolluela8985 3 жыл бұрын
I'm more focus on manual brewing right now, winning the flair 58 would be a great addition and help on my coffee journey 😍😍
@KyleRowsell 3 жыл бұрын
Good luck!
@zekecoscolluela8985 3 жыл бұрын
🤞🤞🤞
@stuffnuns 2 жыл бұрын
Been making my espressos at home with the Flair Classic for several years, and I am able to get amazingly good pulls almost everyday, I’ve had a Breville and an Estro, and the Flair, with in a day or two, I was getting better pulls than either machine. The 58 is a work of beautiful industrial art.
@bencops Жыл бұрын
Can you buy espresso ground coffee to use in the flair classic or will you also need to buy a grinder ?
@davidlyons6235 Жыл бұрын
@@bencops the same rules apply to the Flair as all espresso machines. Sure, you can use pre-ground coffee but freshly ground is superior. It's really up to you.
@skyking9248 9 ай бұрын
@@bencopswhy? If money is the issue the newer economically friendly grinders on the market today are in abundance. Varia Lagom mini Ode Comandante etc etc. The thought of pre ground coffee makes me a little sad.
@JohnWick-wm4pd Жыл бұрын
Thank for posting this video!! All the reviews, I’ve read Gaggia, I would not want to take a chance on getting a used or a lemon.. The 58 is a little pricey but a lot less of a chance of it failing.
@sebas9504 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, Kyle! It’s awesome you could partner with Flair on this giveaway. On the note of milk drinks and the Flair, it’s worth mentioning that you could buy a cheap milk frother for a few extra bucks. Sure, you won’t get the microfoam needed to make latte art, but it’ll work. Or you could spend some more money on something like the nanofoamer. So lack of a steam wand isn’t necessarily a deal breaker, you’ll just need to spend a tiny bit more to replace it :) P.S. I am a Flair fanboy
@FlairEspresso 3 жыл бұрын
NanoFoamer makes a great companion as well!
@rdalmasso7326 3 жыл бұрын
Kyle would you do a video on the best ( and must have ) equipment to join it with the Flair 58 ? I am thinking about distribution tools, tempers and mat, filtrer basket maybe too, to kinda upgrade the flair 58. I should receive mine on July as many people and I never get into expresso at home so some suggestions about tools would make a great video I think !
@zorqis 2 жыл бұрын
So relevant picks. Commenting after the video came up a second time. I agree the first thing to know is if someone likes light/medium/dark roasts, and what flavors. Then choose a grinder: a good conical like the Niche w/ Mazzer/Gorilla burrs or the better manuals (Helor, Bplus, 1Zpresso, Comandante etc) - or a good flat burrs machine w/ SSP red or coated Ti burrs. Then, depending on your puck preparing skills and frothing needs, choose an espresso machine. For me, the ability to completely control the pressure profile, and not having to pay for rotary pumps makes direct manual lever machines a preferred choice. Temperature was an issue with the Flair Pro (but not an issue with dark roasts), but the Flair 58 addressed that, albeit in a rough manner (I'd prefer more temperature levels on the controller). As with the Flair Pro, maybe it's wise to wait for the 2nd version of the 58, but this already looks near-perfect to me. The Flair Nanofoamer takes care of the milk. The total cost of the Flair 58 + Nanofoamer + Lunar + Stagg is about the price of a decent midrange espresso machine and half of the Bianca (which looks way much better, I have to admit). As for back to back shots, I don't see why it would be slower than with the Bianca, it depends, but I take your stance on it, the setup and the workflow is simpler with the Bianca.
@richardrandolph9794 Жыл бұрын
Great video! I'm definitely for the Flair 58
@jhomrich89 2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking of a lapavoni as a lever machine to setup in my roasting space, but I think the flair will fit my needs and budget much better. I don't need a steam arm either because my main machine is a QM67 so if I want a latte I already have something
@clembert9370 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video, can't wait for the next video !!!
@KyleRowsell 3 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to post it :)
@OdPlomp89 3 жыл бұрын
Bring back dancing Kyle! Plus great comparison 😍😍
@KyleRowsell 3 жыл бұрын
Now it‘a considered dancing? That escalated quickly!
@chef_and_coffee 3 жыл бұрын
If I could afford a dual boiler machine I would get that but seeing as I already have a Signature Flair I'm not sure if I should upgrade to the 58. I really want to and I think it would pair great with my Kinu M47 Classic but I really like the shots I'm pulling now and feel I can still learn a lot about manual espresso. Maybe I'll just keep saving for something like a Linea Mini or something.
@englishhuji 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry, coming late to this conversation. Thank you for your wonderful service to the coffee community. I have a dilemma similar to the one presented here but with higher stakes machines. Something like the Elektra al vs the Bezzera Magica or even the La Marzocco LM. Taking everything into account, including costs and consistency, how do they compare?
@leumas75 3 жыл бұрын
So, does there exist a mod community for upgrades to the Bezzera Hobby-01? I chose it over the Gaggia several months ago after a true hands-on, side-by-side comparison; it just seemed more capable, more durable, and more… me, whatever that means. But now I seem to be having more difficulty finding upgradables for it (a PID would be awesome, so would an OPV). Any help steering me in the right direction would be awesome. [Also, a little FYI - some of us espresso lovers / home baristas don’t have a choice but to stay clear of the manuals; I have sustained such heavy spine damage that I can neither lift my arm high enough to grab the handle (of a Flair, for instance) if it’s sitting at countertop height, nor do I have the strength the pull anywhere close to the right bar levels.]
@ozanaktar5743 9 ай бұрын
Hello I have the niche zero should I combo with bambino plus or gaggia classic pro evo? Tastewise for espresso shot Thankssss
@CalebsCars 6 ай бұрын
I have a flair neo and a gaggia, absolutely love my setup
@joshuahankey Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video! maybe I missed it, but I don't think you ever said which one tasted better?
@floxshuilee1760 3 жыл бұрын
After watching your last video about pro2 and 58, I bought a pro2 and love it.
@KyleRowsell 3 жыл бұрын
So glad to hear that.
@EricMacam 3 жыл бұрын
Adding a bellman stovetop steamer for about $100 is a great option to add to the Flair 58 for those milk drinks.
@eviesyd 3 жыл бұрын
May I ask then why not a la pavoni ? I am a bit confused …
@rbmanb 3 жыл бұрын
Having Flair 58 paired up with LP would be more interesting, since it's lever to lever.
@destinhinton4687 2 жыл бұрын
I just ordered the Flair58x for our first espresso machine. I paired it up with a Niche Zero. Conveniently both are scheduled to ship in January. Late Christmas present for the wife.
@frangeech Жыл бұрын
How are you liking the Flair 58X and what made you go for the cordless model?
@TheEnubis 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. One thing I'd like to add that I feel didn't get enough attention is the Flair's (a most good manual expresso machines) ability to save a shot by adjusting the pressure and time you are putting into the shot for the extraction. I feel like I have a lot more flexibility in what I am doing with my Flair. It's an amazing entry point for espresso in the sense that you get to really learn a lot more by being very involved in the creation of the shot.
@wojtekmalinski5181 2 жыл бұрын
Great review. Did you consider comparing Flair 58 vs La Pavoni? Both are manual machines should make interesting comparison…
@axeldlt Жыл бұрын
I am looking for a coffee maker that does not have plastic or aluminum in contact with the hot water, do you know if this machine meets that specification?
@mathieulanglois8790 3 жыл бұрын
Any recommandation where to buy the OPV mod in Canada?
@timmarshall4881 3 жыл бұрын
Appreciate this very watchable video.
@alimalott726 3 жыл бұрын
Love your videos. I have been learning so much! I think I would go with the Flair 58. Code word ‘Distribution’
@od3n03 3 жыл бұрын
I've been wondering about getting a Flair over a Chinese espresso machine. This video really helps!
@KyleRowsell 3 жыл бұрын
glad it helped!
@Solarez 3 жыл бұрын
The flair looks so nice! I need a expresso machine 😫
@KyleRowsell 3 жыл бұрын
Good luck on the giveaway!
@MagcAce 2 жыл бұрын
What would you recommend milk frother
@halal959 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! I am worried about about the very bendy table with such expensive equipment on though..
@KyleRowsell 3 жыл бұрын
You and me both!
@GoTellJesusSaves 2 жыл бұрын
I really wish that more manufacturers who are already producing espresso machines in their own factories would produce some manual brewers at very nice prices.
@Assenayo 3 жыл бұрын
Out of the 3 I would opt for a 58. I know someone that has a La Pavoni, I have a Flair Pro 2 and I'm totally converted on lever espresso. I'm keen to try some of the spring lever machines too like the Elektra Micro Casa or the Profitec Pro 800. I even have seen this Odyssey OE-1 on Hoon's channel that is in early development that will offer both spring and direct lever. But that looks like it's a while off. But for machines on the market, I think I would lean to the Flair 58.
@joepardi9369 Жыл бұрын
What grinder do you like
@Kbaum752 3 жыл бұрын
Love my classic. Loved it more after I got a settle 270, a Pullman basket and bottomless pirtafilter. All that said it would be nice to also have the Flair
@KyleRowsell 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@clintonherring 3 жыл бұрын
I think the flair would work even for a milk based drink because you could have a separate frother which may save you on looking for a machine with a double boiler. My current home espresso machine really struggles to pull an espresso shot then heat up again to froth milk.
@LivingRad 3 жыл бұрын
Valid comment. The gaggia isn't perfect with that and is one down side for sure...plus steam power. There are a few hacks for that too tho :P Beauty of the Gaggia community ;)
@ezzy_cyclops1117 3 жыл бұрын
I would choose the Bianca ... And I did. Mine arrives in 2 days. Nice video, thanks
@thiagoorlandi2436 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. I have jx pro but haven't really mustered up the courage to spend on an espresso machine. The distribution of funds aren't going in that direction yet 😜
@KyleRowsell 3 жыл бұрын
Fair enough!
@ferdinandludo8851 2 жыл бұрын
Would df64 with ssp mp burrs be sufficient? Or.jxpro??
@jdupuis4829 3 жыл бұрын
I have an espresso Forge which is similar to the Flair. I love being able to pressure profile, but the lack of temperature stability is a bit of downer.
@KarstenLangPedersen 3 жыл бұрын
An interesting "machine", that I wasn't aware of. Hopefully, they'll start producing it again, soon.
@johnsmithington3167 2 жыл бұрын
@@KarstenLangPedersen Not sure why you put quotes around machine. It is a manual machine, as are shovels, screwdrivers and pulleys. A device consisting of fixed and moving parts that modifies mechanical energy and transmits it in a more useful form.
@KarstenLangPedersen 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnsmithington3167 I should maybe have written "contraption" because, though you are right, it's not what we normally associate with an Espresso Machine.
@1967davidfitness Жыл бұрын
Hi Kyle, l really enjoyed the video and would like to invest in a great grinder, but my budget is limited to about 200 USD. Is this enough? Have you got a tip? Many thanks
@angellingatjr1805 3 жыл бұрын
Another great video, hoping to win that Flair 58, keep it up Kyle.
@KyleRowsell 3 жыл бұрын
Good luck!
@RoloTomasie 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. I'm hoping to get into espresso-making soon. I want a good grinder, but I can't justify the $1,200 the Niche Zero has been fetching lately. Do you (or any other viewers) have a recommended grinder in the $500 -or less- price range? Also, I somehow missed the codeword...
@kyoshimadoshi 3 жыл бұрын
Check out the Turin Df64
@samcoffee5396 3 жыл бұрын
df64 is 450 on amazon in us now
@ende421 Жыл бұрын
Df64, Eureka Mignon SD, Lagom Mini or a hand grinder from 1zpresso.
@aletzkx 3 жыл бұрын
Are there other options for steaming milk (consistent quality) without an espresso machine?
@KyleRowsell 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. The nanofoamer or bellman steamer are great options
@jimjim930 3 жыл бұрын
haha i ordered the pro2 right 1 day before the leaked product video came out.. tbh the pro2 is quite nice.
@michaelfree3308 2 жыл бұрын
I like both. I think I would pick the Gaggia. For around $300-$400 you can mod it to include a PID, flow control, and pressure gauge to get a similar control with the Flair. Plus, you would have the ability to steam. Those are things you can add whenever you feel like it and your budget allows. The Flair is definitely cool. I would love to have both, but if I could only pick one it’d be the Gaggia for ease of use.
@chojuj4533 Жыл бұрын
If you buy the components yourself, not a kit, it would cost a lot less too
@LloydJosephVentura Жыл бұрын
Just saw your video. I like how you explain the full details on both espresso maker. This helps me a lot because I was confused if I am going to buy a manual Flair 58 or an espresso machine that has the same price as 58. Now it's all clear to me that I am going to choose Flair 58. Am I still valid for the giveaway? HAHAHAHAHAHA. That would really help me start my pop up coffee shop again. I just don't have enough money yet, but even a used Flair 58 would help me start my small business again. Thanks Kyle! Hope that you will see this comment soon. Thanks
@pedrocamara8495 3 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video about good thecniques with the Rok espresso GC????pls?
@nobodyspecialjusteric 8 ай бұрын
GCP is foot in the door machine. I paired with 1z jx-pro, perfect as a budget conscious first timer can get. Gonna save my gramma's Christmas dough toward an electric flat burr grinder before i consider outgrowing the classic.
@miguelpetrarca5064 2 жыл бұрын
could't we change the pressure profile in gaggia by opening up the steaming wand valver and deviating the flow rate, thus hacking a lower pressure, and as we pull the shot, we can close valve.
@josephstephen2010 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve only had my GCP for a week, but it gets very hot in about ten minutes!
@jahdgreat 2 жыл бұрын
Curious if their portafilter fits each others group.
@themarvel2004 3 жыл бұрын
Gaggia classic or Rancilio Silvia? Which would you choose to start with?
@KyleRowsell 3 жыл бұрын
Likely the Gaggia unless steaming is going to be used a lot.
@buffalomowing1188 3 жыл бұрын
Hello Kyle, you the man, keep it up.
@KyleRowsell 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@skyking9248 9 ай бұрын
I know this video is old, but while I was waiting a few months for my espresso machine to be built / delivered, I gambled on Gaggia GCP for a temp machine. RETURNED it the very next day. All plastic internals. I left mine on for about 40 minutes as I was setting it up, pulled a few shots and something melted internally. Hot water everywhere. Average people love and defend what they buy generally, because it somehow becomes an extension of their ego. How many people have you heard raving about their GCP or their Niche grinders…..
@mkcello33 3 жыл бұрын
Can you maybe review a Classic Lever machine, like the La Pavoni Professional. They are quite affordable and in my opinion have huge potential, but you rarely see any well made content about them
@SasanSB12 3 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for the comparison video to the cafelat robot!
@KyleRowsell 3 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait to share it!
@ThePajak46 3 жыл бұрын
How are the wooden bits on the handle attached? Contemplating removing them for metal to match a pesado 58.5 brass/copper portafilter
@KyleRowsell 3 жыл бұрын
They pop out
@ThePajak46 3 жыл бұрын
A+ on response time
@KyleRowsell 3 жыл бұрын
@@ThePajak46 here to help!
@rebeccahansell4917 3 жыл бұрын
I am new to the espresso scene and am excited to explore the potential to create on the Flair. 😃
@KyleRowsell 3 жыл бұрын
I’m excited FOR YOU!
@rebeccahansell4917 3 жыл бұрын
@@KyleRowsell wait... what....
@KyleRowsell 3 жыл бұрын
@@rebeccahansell4917 I mean, if you were to win.
@rebeccahansell4917 3 жыл бұрын
@@KyleRowsell don't toy with my emotions... I've been saving my pennies and holding my breath for a Niche Zero to become available too
@benbauer7866 2 жыл бұрын
I just feel like having the steam wand just makes the Gaggia more appealing.
@danymeeuwissen5973 3 жыл бұрын
I really get better espresso with my Flair's (Pro2 and 58) than on my semi-automatic ECM machines. throw in a nanofoamer for milky drinks and you have exceptional quality for a moderate budget. I agree a good grinder is needed to get the most out of it.
@KyleRowsell 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment Dany!
@camaperture8116 2 жыл бұрын
Solis Barista Perfetta kicks the Gaggia to the curb. 54mm pf, which I don’t think is such a big deal, but very nice accessories and works great out of the box. 40 sec heat time, ability to program in manual preferences, small footprint…awesome value price/performance.
@CM-qg4zh 3 жыл бұрын
If you prefer the flair 58 but want to make milk drinks, you could get the nanofoamer as an extra equipment to froth milk.
@KyleRowsell 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely!
@classicrockonly 3 жыл бұрын
I'm set on the 58. However, my dad has been wanting an espresso maker in this price range and he is waffling between both these units. One thing he is most interested in is if the 58 will be less maintenance (no backflush, no descaling, no replacing shower screens), then the 58 might be his choice, even if the lever is more inconvenient than pressing a button
@johnsmithington3167 2 жыл бұрын
You're using the flair on a daily basis?
@classicrockonly 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnsmithington3167 Yup! Been using the 58 2x a day since I got it, and did the same when I was maining the Pro and the Classic...I think this is 4 years of Flair for me lol
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