What is CGI? Thank you

@@teresafredericks5734 Computer Generated Images!

@@tnecklover Thank you.

@@anacletwilliams8315 No problem!

You should see some of the Chinese and Korean period costume series. They are fantastic. Plus beautiful women and drop dead gorgeous men.

I mean didn't the catholic church go a little too far

No, Christ's Catholic Church didn't go too far. Henry had been so much a faithful Catholic, that the Pope himself labeled Henry "Defender of the Faith." Just a few short years later, Henry turned on the Church and his fellow Catholics just because the Pope said (and rightly so) that Henry's marriage to Catherine was indeed valid. Thousands upon thousands of Catholics were arrested, tortured, and slaughtered for 300 years.

Very true and well said.

Coming from a nation who is the enemy of Englnd , I pray that they may turn to Christ again and rid themselves of the stain of the evil , illegitimate kings .

Thanks be to God for Henry VIII for bringing us closer to Jesus Christ and further away from the papal pagans in Rome. As close to an Antichrist church as can be. superstition and idolatrous worship. Held together by dogma. Christ is risen Alleluia

The commentary track by the composer, Laurence Rosenthal, describes how he taught Burton to chant. I think it's available on KZfaq.

The current Catholic church: Pay for Us!

All of the English Jesuit Martyrs, ora pro nobis.

@@brysonstevens1431 amen

@@brysonstevens1431 May they intercede on our behalf...

@@brysonstevens1431 *plural is "orate pro nobis"

Upon his exile he did live a cloistered life for a number of years with the Cistercians

@@sammcpeak6854 Correct; Becket was appointed chancellor to Henry II in 1155. He was installed Archbishop of Canterbury in 1162, but two years later was exiled to France, where he lived a monastic life at Pontigny and Sens. He was still Archbishop, however. His contempt regarding Henry's rule had put a price on his head. He had ecclesiastical duties to fulfill. He was murdered in Canterbury Cathedral December 29, 1170.

He also wasn't a Saxon as portrayed in the movie. He was Norman.

Your comment made me think of the baptism sequence in The Godfather, which was Latin.

sono d'accordo, ma c'è l'errore di mettergli il pallio che avrebbe dovuto riceve da Roma dopo la consacrazione

If they really wanted to be accurate they would all be speaking Norman French!

@@tnecklover perhaps in normal day to day life, but not in an ordination

@@jamie7880 True...it should be a combination of both.

Agreed, but there is one error in the sanctuary arrangement. St. Thomas Becket lived in the 12th century. Tabernacles weren't put on the altar until the 16th century. Prior to this, the reserved Eucharist was kept in a special cabinet called an aumbry, recessed into the wall on either side of the altar, or was placed above it in a gold vessel (often shaped like a dove) suspended by chains.

Also, a catholic pallium is only supposed to have 6 crosses. The archbishop's pallium has 10 it looks like.

@@gunnarthorsen Ahhh. I now understand what my friend meant when he told me the Tabernacle in his Cathedral where he goes for Mass wasn't on the Altar.

@@gunnarthorsen Actually, the throne should be on the Gospel side of the sanctuary (to a congregants left). The altar was still against the wall. The aumbry is where the Holy Oils are reserved, however reserving the Eucharist there was common practice in England pre-Reformation. (This is still observed in Anglo-Catholic/High Episcopalian churches.)

What for. This bullshite goes on for to long. Get rid of this clowns and bring to justice this child molesters. What a disgusting bunch.

@@danielwmwolf your uncle molested you???

Only people power will do that but those in control have the advantage of demanding obedience 2:21 from their followers. Obstinate refusal gets you excommunicated and you end up like the Palmerian church.

Have no fear, the ancient rites live still. They just get zero media coverage and are disdained by the modernists. Yet they are thriving.

Danny M. "It's sad to see how they took all the ancient traditions away." Have you experienced the consecration of a bishop? It is still much like what's shown here. Except longer. *Much* longer. :-)

It was antipope paul vi who took the ancient traditions away, not the Catholic Church

@@jeffkoerbor1370 Antipope John XXIII finished it, Bergoglio just continues Satan's work

My friend; there are many traditional Catholic churches where the true rites are still performed .

De acuerdo. Solo le falto que fuera todo el rito en latin en lugar de Ingles.

That would be our Divine Lord Yeshua.

That Sunday, they ended up drinking all of the Communion wine! 😁🤣😂🙃😁🍷🍷

@BWilliam Leo I was wondering about that. But there's no tabernacle on the same altar (I think it's the same altar) in the excommunication of Lord Gilbert scene and in the last scene when Becket is murdered. Could it be that a tabernacle was placed on altars during episcopal consecrations at that time?

Since the principal purpose of the tabernacle was the reservation of the Blessed Sacramentfor the sick and dying its placement on the altar ( which was a later development ) during the consecration of a bishop was very odd indeed. It was interesting to note, that the Chalice on the altar was covered by the back end of the Corporal which is historically correct for the time period. Today a separate cloth call a Pall is used.

Traditionally, a Catholic altar always has an odd number of steps leading up to it. Yet there are four steps. A minor quable for a well recreated historical set. Odd how the bishop's cathedra is behind the altar when it is usually to the left of the altar in most Cathedrals.

@@mosesking2923 Well it is supposed to be Canterbury and in Canterbury the Anglican heretic has the Throne in Center place above the Altar, so thats probably where they got it.

@@RezaChity-G before the altar sat right next to the wall, the cathedra was always behind it. Study a bit more history.

me

And me!

I thought it to be some sort of pie or thing like a plum pudding or fig tort. Fooled me completely until right before removal.

You must be joking. In this day and age you still think this religious BS is relevant. Science cleared the way to knowledge.

@@danielwmwolf Science is no substitute for GOD...

Still looks very clergy-ish to me (layman) :D What contrasts did you have in mind? And is this church a representation of the older Canterbury cathedral?

The original Rite of Episcopal consecration and ordination in the 12th century would have been in Latin. However, since Latin is not understood by the vast majority of people today, it made perfect sense for the producers of the film to present the rite in the vernacular .

@@giovanniserafino1731 and what about subtitles? Have ya heard about them?

Amen.

I assume it was spoken in English translation for dramatic effect but the text accurately reflected the Latin original.

I am 85 and I perfectly remember having watched this film when it opened - The ceremony was all in latin (and I pray in Latin every day since I was young) (as I am a Peruvian in Lima my language is Spanish, a daugther lnguage of Latin

@@arnoldconrad744 The movie is based on an English translation of a play by the French playwright Jean Anouilh. I guess there's no telling how vernacular, or how idiomatic, it was going to turn out. "Ah, it's time for my snack," says King Henry earlier in the movie.

@@voltape Do you think that God prefers Latin rather than the language we use among friends?

@@georgenorris2657 Yes, absolutely. It is language of his Mystic Body, Holy Church.

It’s good to hear the prayers of the episcopal consecration.

Thomas Becket I think. It was on YT last time I checked.

Becket is a 1964 British historical drama film about the historic, tumultuous relationship between Henry II of England and his friend-turned-bishop Thomas Becket. It is a dramatic film adaptation of the 1959 play Becket or the Honour of God by Jean Anouilh, made by Hal Wallis Productions and released by Paramount Pictures. It was directed by Peter Glenville and produced by Hal B. Wallis with Joseph H. Hazen as executive producer. The screenplay was written by Edward Anhalt, based on Anouilh's play. The music score was by Laurence Rosenthal, the cinematography by Geoffrey Unsworth and the editing by Anne V. Coates.

The abbies and monastery were mostly dissolved. The cathedrals were taken over by King Henry VIII and bishops appointed loyal to him and not the pope. They remained Catholic in worship until his son Edward VI became king who had been brought up Lutheran. The Catholic Mass was banned and replaced and replaced with the Lutheran service of Holy Communion. Those who refuse to attend the new services were called recusants. They were fined, imprisoned and had property confiscated. The Motr obstinate ones were charged with treason and executed.

Which one. There are several in this scene.

1st chant

Richard Burton.

Richard Burton

Wooden Burton.

Richard Jenkins, actually.

@@UWalvern0810 No, Richard Jenkins was his father. *He* was Richard Jenkins, Jr. ;-)

Well this is just a depiction of what really happened during the Consecration. It was obviously Latin before, and we can clearly see, the Old rite is being said "It is a Bishop's duty to preach etc"

Because English is the best.of course.

Cathedral of Canterbury. The original church that was replaced by the current Gothic masterpiece.

I don't see it as evil, but as an unnecessary change that as Cardinal Ottaviani said represents a striking departure from the theology of the Tridentine Mass. This change was thought to facilitate the union of the Anglican and Lutheran churches with Rome if those things that they found in the Tridentine Mass at odds with their theology of the service of Holy Communion. That has not happened, and did immeasurable damage to the church and faithful causing many to go into schism and apostasy and a death of vocations with many religious houses and seminaries being closed or much reduced in occupancy with only a few elderly members of once thriving community.

Well, seeing that this film was made in 1963, when Vatican ii had only just opened, I think that's unlikely.

@@altudy by that time many changes were introduced in the mass call "Normative" .

Altars were not always pushed against the wall. That was largely only done in smaller parishes in the Middle Ages where space in the Sanctuary was limited, and was adopted more widely after Trent. The Liturgy was still done ad orientem of course, but the altar was often freestanding, especially in Cathedrals as the Bishop's cathedra would be placed directly behind it, as it still is in the Byzantine Rite. Nothing Novus Ordo about it, just Medieval.

Well-said, Justin T. Ignorance of history results in a certain ignorance in ecclesiastics, regardless of the point of view.

This was pre Council of Trent. Sarum Rite?

Yeah, of all the problems with Catholic liturgy, I don't think that the laced albs is highest on the priority list. Bringing back the Tridentine Mass (pre-1955) is all that will suffice. The aesthetics, like ugly vestments and ugly churches, can easily be fixed later.

Literally all of Catholicism is innovation. Centuries upon centuries of it.

Whatever chasubles and albs were used by Saint Pius X are the best style. "The holiness of the sacred is despised; the majesty of divine worship is not only disapproved by evil men, but defiled and held up to ridicule." ~ His Holiness Pope Gregory XVI, Mirari Vos (5) www.papalencyclicals.net/greg16/g16mirar.htm

There is a difference between restoring Tradition and falling victim to and surrendering to the blandishments of antiquarianism: www.vatican.va/content/pius-xii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xii_enc_20111947_mediator-dei.html

@@mosesking2923 laced albs are the best, considering that they are the most beautiful and majestic for God. I mean, they were standard for Saint Pius X. "The holiness of the sacred is despised; the majesty of divine worship is not only disapproved by evil men, but defiled and held up to ridicule." ~ His Holiness Pope Gregory XVI, Mirari Vos (5) www.papalencyclicals.net/greg16/g16mirar.htm

I doubt that most of those "starving peasants" would have begrudged the beauty of God's house or shared your secularist views. I didn't see a church building swathed in silk but assume you meant the vestments worn by the bishops.

You sound like the Pharisees condemning the woman who poured expensive ointment on our Lords feet. Our Lord blessed this woman's homage and deference. In the Old Testament, God Himself commanded the Hebrews in the Sinai Desert how He was to be worshipped. And they were exacting directions, where much gold and skillful craftsmanship was expected. The Levite priests were also expected to arrayed in fine vestments. Not coarse woven garments. If this was demanded of them, we should offer our Lord, God, no less. All glory and honor be His!!!

It's all moot now with the scandals anyway.

wdym?

@@oh_say_it_ditto I don't know what was unclear about my comment.

It was the King who was out of control, not the Church. Learn your history.

@@LUIS-ox1bv Nah, it was the Church.

The Mitre and the Throne are symbols of the Episcopacy derived from Biblical Imagery. The Mitre hearkens back to the Mitre or Turban worn by the High Priest Aaron. The Throne or Cathedra hearkens back to the concept of the Chair of Moses mentioned by Christ and to the thrones Christ promised to the Apostles during the Last Supper. Far from being worldly, they illustrate properly the spiritual authority of the Bishop within the Church.

Have you seen public school teachers lately? Bite your tongue

Alter boys (called "alter servers" in the modern age, where girls are also allowed to serve) play important roles in the mass. Starting them when they are young serves to instill in them a love of the liturgy, and is a step on the path to a religious vocation.

@@seikibrian8641 Yes!

@@seikibrian8641 let's be real tho, there was also a phenomenal amount of buggering. That's well attested even by writers at the time. Same in monasteries.

The First Lord of the Admiralty concurs

The Pope is the Vicar of Christ on earth...

God created the order of things on a vertical line, not horizontal. You are not on the same level as your father or mother. Protestantism was a revolt against authority, just as much as Lucifer 's was against the authority of God. Liberalism began with Lucifer, and continues to have the same effect today. " I will not serve," is Lucifer's motto.

Why not both?

Héctor Daniel Sánchez Cobo Only one works to get you to Heaven. The other ... is an actual , dead 💀 end. Semper Fi

All of the ritual centres around the worship of Christ. All of it designed to impart theological knowledge of God to every sense. Were you baptised? Why? It's ritual. Or is it because the Lord instituted it. Investigate our "empty ritual" and see that it is biblical, instituated by the Lord and the disciples.

paxmaster2002 Baptism does NOT save a person. Baptism is the outward expression of a persons FAITH in the Lord Jesus Christ as Savior. It symbolizes the condition of our lives ... dead in a state of sin as ordinary folks ... WITHOUT the saving knowledge and acceptance of the free gift of eternal life in Heaven ... instead of the certainty of eternity in hell as an unsaved person. The person is immersed ... that’s the death of self and acceptance of Salvation ... and lifted back up out the water symbolizing the resurrection of our new life in FAITH in God ... washed and made clean ... forgiven of all a persons sins in life. Giving yourself to Jesus means HE is given charge over your life. Jesus is in control of your every aspect of day to day life. Baptism says ... I AM GLORIOUSLY SAVED BY THE CLEANSING BLOOD OF JESUS THAT HE SHED FOR ME ON THAT CROSS. That’s all there is to it. FIRST a person has to be willing ... and make a personal choice to climb out from behind the “wheel” ... representing your life ... and get in the back seat , giving Jesus the drivers seat to do the driving of your life ... WITHOUT a person telling HIM where to turn ... what road to take ... and how fast or slow to drive. Jesus is given CONTROL. Along the way ... a person sitting in the back seat gets to see allot of people that wrapped their lives around telephone poles. Cleaned out a ditch or two ... or worse ... crashed their lives ... head on. Jesus comes to live inside of you when you invite HIM into your life. Get it ? It’s not ritualistic. Religion is ... that’s man made. Christianity is the greatest experience on earth and Jesus said that if it were not so ... he would have told us so. It’s a Supernatural road trip of a lifetime. Allot more exciting than special operations. The mission of a lifetime ... and I’ve never had one ritualistic moment serving our Father in Heaven. Thanks to Jesus ... I am spiritually locked and loaded !!! Semper Fi

@@rayjordan7278 Baptism is still a ritual you do tho