How Too Fix Brake Judder For Free!! | Three Tricks To Try 🔧

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How Too Fix Brake Judder For Free!! | Three Tricks To Try 🔧

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Ever had a suspected warped disk or juddering brakes? I had exactly the same issues on my K8 GSXR & did the these three tricks to resolve the problem without spending any money!
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@bowlerball4246 2 жыл бұрын

Dave moss is an extremely helpful guy if you don’t totally understand suspension set up, I emailed the guy in regards to a set up on my bike, my weight, my tyres bla bla bla thinking he would just blank me! But NO.. he came straight back to me with a set up, couldn’t believe it. Really helpful guy

@paulyflyer8154 2 жыл бұрын

You may aswell move in with Greg. You'd have everything conveniently to hand then, and I've heard he's a great cook.

@LambChopRides 2 жыл бұрын

Haha 😄 👍

@ewanoffshore 2 жыл бұрын

He's a goldmine of information, Dave Moss. Great video Chops, it's the wee things that make all the difference!

@stekwack 2 жыл бұрын

Did you undo the lock nut to adjust the adjusting nut underneath chops, cause from the video it looks like you were just trying to tighten the top nut. If you only turn the top nut chances are the nuts will bind on threads and you will think that you have tightened the headstock bearings but really you have only took a slight amount of play out. Need to slacken the top nut then adjust the lower nut until there is no play left in the bearings and the steering turn free but with a slight amount of resistance, but you need to have the front end off the floor with ability to move not on a paddock stand. Trolley jack and block of wood under exhaust headers does the trick . 👍

@garybrown4854 2 жыл бұрын

Well that was worth it , cost nothing but time , nice one . Having found evidence that the guy you bought it off may have told you a few porkies it will be worth going through everything else as well , engine oil, fork oil , rear brakes , just give it a proper service so you have peace of mind that it has actually been done , great tip about the disc bobbins as well , something I didn't know , great vid Chopsy .

@LambChopRides 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah going to check the whole bike over 👍

@willgarrod9907 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, I never knew about the correct sequence of pinch bolts, axle bolts and calliper bolts. I remove my front wheel regularly and will do it properly from now on. Thanks Chopsie

@LambChopRides 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah was a revelation to me too a few years ago!

@greyanaroth 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing! This is the exact video I was talking about on insta. I do this after every time the front wheel is opened up. Moss' caliper cleaning video is also amazing. Helped me free some stuck pistons and massively improved my braking. I ❤️ Moss

@mattfireblade9136 2 жыл бұрын

"Rubber gloves are at Greggs house, from we did his exhaust".. Call me childish, but that one had me gniffling.

@lordpunter6188 2 жыл бұрын

Wish I’d seen this video when I had my s1000r - brake judder drove me mad, BMW dealer couldn’t fix it….says a lot ! Very good idea Chops !

@Sanemancured 2 жыл бұрын

Great stuff. A couple of things if you don’t mind me mentioning. Do one thing at a time and check the result. Then you know where the issue lay. Also beware over tightening the headstock as it’ll wear into notchiness. That’s a new word.

@JIMMER15 2 жыл бұрын

Cable tie from the brake lever to the grip is a good little tip when centralising the caliper. Been doing this on my mountain bike for years and it's the same for motorbikes too, gives you time to do both sides up without worrying about letting go of the brake lever 😉😉

@woutermemelink4507 2 жыл бұрын

Also leave the cable tie for a night for a good pressure on the brake lever. Will be much better, feels harder on the braking point, less sponsy

@matlane602 2 жыл бұрын

Great vid chopsy, really informative and thorough. Brake judder is a bugger to find and fix

@johnludmon7419 2 жыл бұрын

The bobbins on your rotors are there so that the disc can expand when it gets hot you don’t want the disc to move on them as it will push the pads back into the calliper it isn’t important weather they spin or not . Modern bike discs are made up of different materials and are thinner and lighter than the old solid discs which will expand at different rates thus the bobbins and the wavy washer. Your judder was most probably a wheel alignment problem getting the axle right in the forks was most likely the fix. The callipers will align themselves when you apply the brakes if all the pistons are working properly a slight difference of how far out they are side to side isn’t an issue but back to front on the same side is.

@Ceen328 2 жыл бұрын

I agree on your guess for the axle alignment. Also seeing how loose/tight those bolts were, there is a good chance of a very poor mechanic job in the past.

@iainian 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this LCR. Had similar judder on a ZX9R was head stock slightly loose and wheel out of balance Thanks for ALL advice and garage tips certainly very helpful!

@alanhassall 2 жыл бұрын

Shortly after I got my Kawasaki Concours14, it developed brake judder. Kawasaki agreed to replace the rotors under warranty. It did not fix it, so I put up with it for several years. The dealer was quite a distance away and they wanted it for an extended period of time. When I needed tires one year, I removed the rotors and torqued the mounting bolts evenly. The problem cleared up. I believe that the rotors had been torqued unevenly when they were replaced.

@johngenis344 2 жыл бұрын

I stopped the video 3 minutes and 24 seconds you said to the eye that it did not look warped but it did seem on the camera like it was warped a bit I'll be anxious to see the whole video to see if it was and how you remedied it good luck chopsy

@nuttycbr6390 Жыл бұрын

After years of waiting and watching your channel I finally got to do direct access last year and pass my full test. Thank you for the quality content. Going to do my zx6r brakes as there terrible wish me luck and keep the vids coming

@LambChopRides Жыл бұрын

Congratulations Nutty!! 👍

@deanharris9331 2 жыл бұрын

Great video again Chops. Really pleased that you sorted the braking problem. Now you can thoroughly enjoy riding your machine. Awesome job 👏 👍

@x_ghost_x6612 2 жыл бұрын

You are right to check out Dave Moss. Guy has so much knowledge! Love the bike and the videos! Keep up the great work Chops!

@stinkerdoodle1737 2 жыл бұрын

Great vid glad you sorted that out... I have had Dave Moss set up my bike at local track days and he is a great dude he knows his stuff. Keep up the good work.

@Neil1052 10 ай бұрын

Nice one Chopsy, I'm just refurbing an 1100R that's been stood a couple of decades, when I searched "stuck brake bobbins" for the rusty rear ebc disc & you're gsxr vid came up, I knew I'd seen someone get those bobbins moving 😁👍

@LambChopRides 10 ай бұрын

Glad I could help 😁

@KnoxArmour 2 жыл бұрын

Great advice! Tbh, it's pretty bad that the dealership sold it to you like that, they should either ride it themselves to check stuff like that or allow a test ride. No point having a shiny fairing if something like the headstock is loose and you end up crashing it 5 miles down the road. 🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️ Aaron Knox

@LambChopRides 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah not good is it! Thanks buddy 👍

@cbrblade2705 2 жыл бұрын

I bet there's still a few bike shops out there that don't pay much attention to there stock, apart from get it shiny and out the door, and if you said anything back to them I wouldn't be surprised if they said the old, if we did that then we would have to put the price up lol, I know the one I worked for was spot on, because I did the pdi's on the bikes before they went.

@bakedbeanzontoast9078 2 жыл бұрын

Those sportsmart TT tyres are fantastic, only just scrubbed them in before putting the bike (1290 Super Duke R SE) to bed for the winter, so eager for spring to sprung!!!, and enjoy them this year.👍👍👍👍🇬🇧

@LambChopRides 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah loved them on the RR, can't wait to get them fitted 👍

@nickrider5220 2 жыл бұрын

Loving this series even more than normal !

@grahamsorrell6284 2 жыл бұрын

if you use that piston tool without lubing the seals will be the quickest way to bugger them up!!!! as it causes the seal to pinch !!! quick spray of brake cleaner to clean them pistons and seals , always a good idea if the pads are out 🙂 the a light smear of rubber greese to lube the pistons that will make the like new again! job done! hope this helps.

@highlandriders9696 2 жыл бұрын

Great video and a couple of things to go check on my own bike, not for judder but last MOT advised slight fluctuation in pressure but disc looks straight

@twowheelsquirrel 2 жыл бұрын

You lost 10 mechanic points for mentioning Delboy.. You gained 20 mechanic points for mentioning the legend that is Dave Moss!

@MrAndrew1953 2 жыл бұрын

Fascinating to watch someone having a go at that who has the knowledge and patience, having a crack at it. Honestly if you had tightened up the head stock, would you have bothered with ten bolts and callipers.? Probably yes, given its your neck on the block. That's the thing with a twin disc front end - is it worth it. BMW R9T or pre '82 Triumphs. Good shed bikes - easy to work on and adequate performance. Easy to feel spot something not working properly - know what I mean?

@LambChopRides 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Andrew, yes makes perfect sense 👍

@megapet777 2 жыл бұрын

Only for small or lower performance bikes single disc is adequate. Even my zxr 400 has twin discs and it only makes like 60 HP.

@davem3008 2 жыл бұрын

Great vid Mr Chops. Its great to get a fix without spending any more cash 💸.

@pyrodoll2422 2 жыл бұрын

Nice one, cheers. Gonna try these on my '18 SDr which has a minor judder under hard braking.

@PaulieG1 2 жыл бұрын

Some decent SBS pads & fresh Motul 660 fluid will make a massive difference to the brake performance Chopsy and a fairly cheap upgrade. 👍

@tylersimon5793 Жыл бұрын

Awesome video!! I was puzzled as I had the same issue and ended up coming across 4 bobbins that were completed seized. Took it for a spin and the pulsing / squeaking went away. So happy!

@LambChopRides Жыл бұрын

Nice work!

@EliasVDM 11 ай бұрын

Always nice to see decent work i learn everyday

@painsrides3616 2 жыл бұрын

I'll probably never own a Gixxer yet I found the video very interesting... I guess, good maintenance is good maintenance no matter what bike its done on.

@speedwobble5383 2 жыл бұрын

I remember this was a common problem with the old k4/k5 750. There was a huge thread on the now defunct Gixxer Junkies forum about it, with all the things to try. In the end the common solution was to flog the entire bike for a k6, lol.

@queenslander954 2 жыл бұрын

Great job Cobber , but 1/4 of a turn on the steering head nuts seems a lot , hope it don’t tram-track where you can’t keep a dead straight line.

@justisstudding2101 Ай бұрын

I got this issue on my 2022 Kymco AK550. My first bike with this issue. Watching the Video gave me some ideas, clues, and maybe the proper fixes to the issue. Thanks.

@josephedmundreynolds4244 Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this info... Just purchased a 2017 Super Duke which has this front end judder. I'll go through the same process as yourself and , fingers crossed, hope for the same outcome. Thanks again... Made my day that has.

@davidmalings 2 жыл бұрын

I will give it a try on my RSV. I have the same thing, and don't really want to buy new disks if I can avoid it.

@LambChopRides 2 жыл бұрын

Well worth a try! 👍

@mark675 2 жыл бұрын

that front rims got a slight doink on it aswell (looking from the right side when you spin it)

@richardpriestley1419 2 жыл бұрын

Spotted the same thing.

@Mancastle 2 жыл бұрын

Great little tips and tricks throughout this video, thanks.

@kmac5849 2 жыл бұрын

Kinda satisfying,even though it ain’t my bike and no scuffed knuckles, the time flew by😊👍🏻

@Tubetinkerer 2 жыл бұрын

I had the same on a Tuono V4. Someone advised me to get some heat in the brakes, as that never really happens under normal riding conditions. Did that for a few rides and the issue sorted itself. Never returned since.

@ManCannotRide 2 жыл бұрын

Great move watching Dave Moss. I have learned a lot from him from 2 years of chatting with him as I learn to setup my bike's suspension and wheels. Great tip using the bolts on the bobbins. Thanks.

@themayorofdipshittery3646 2 жыл бұрын

Why would you trust ANYTHING you’ve seen DelBoy do 😱😱😱😱😱😱

@brucekendall52 2 жыл бұрын

Good stuff.Thanks.Always amazes me how a sellar can blatently lie about what he has done to secure a sale.

@Rust_valley_adventures 2 жыл бұрын

One of the best mods to do on the k7/k8 1000 is fit some R1 calipers off a 05 or 06 year bike and get some little collets made to spacer them a few millimetres off and fit some braided brake lines ... night and day diffrence in brake feel and performance ... trust me on this ...

@LambChopRides 2 жыл бұрын

OK will take a look 👍

@HippoDrones 2 жыл бұрын

I've added this to my watch later for reference as I think I need to try all these things on mine as have a judder when braking hard from high speed, so these should help me sort it! :-) ty Chops

@shadowred1980 2 жыл бұрын

When you get the abba stand back. Get the bikes front in the air and have a check how free and smooth the head bearings really are. With a loose top nut and missing locking ring, someone has been in there before. You spoke about doing the front forks, that would be an idea time. Bike looks great, keep us updated how you get on.

@powamoto 2 жыл бұрын

Biggest fan in the house mo Powa so I brought all these thumbs ups 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍☝🙏😇

@daveboote6464 Жыл бұрын

Well least I know how to tighten the bobbins cheers mate

@Coldfin9er 2 жыл бұрын

The front wheel is buckled too John. 8:53 side on you can see the buckle when spinning the wheel ☹️

@Tubetinkerer 2 жыл бұрын

Sharp eye... but you are right about that...

@LambChopRides 2 жыл бұрын

Yes think it's a trick of the camera, going to check it tomorrow 👍

@danbevin6100 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for explaining why brake judder happens and what to check .

@alastairb8597 2 жыл бұрын

If you're still thinking about ECU tuning Steve Jordan over in Bookham 👌 He'll do you a pukka suspension set up too and, no, I'm not on commission... just a happy customer!

@presstodelete1165 2 жыл бұрын

All good service tips even if you don't have an issue.

@chadgruver4423 2 жыл бұрын

Great video Chops, I learned a great deal.

@IanNiblett 2 жыл бұрын

It's a bit of a worry when you find things not done up properly on a second hand bike. I would be inclined to go over it from front to back to see what other things haven't been done right. And as you said a service would be in order, because you can't trust the seller's information.

@sumtingwong6411 Жыл бұрын

Amazing. Will do this week since now i have time to do it. Thanks so much. 09 Suzuki GSX1300BKA owner.

@kuba181181 2 жыл бұрын

nice tips! great bike as well

@cecilwilson5442 2 жыл бұрын

John brilliant video one of the best for me as I got a bike from England 4 years ago and it was serviced,,, supposedly,, air filter and plugs where never changed ,, so as the bike was 11 years old,, then original plugs in it,, moto if you can do it yourself,,, then you know its done ☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️from Northern Ireland looking forward to the videos on the gsxr 👍👍👍👍👍👍

@RE650NZGraeme 2 жыл бұрын

Mavis always has encouraging things to say - or disparaging!

@dylanrichards9984 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you sorted it out 👍

@Atilla8huno 2 жыл бұрын

don't forget to torque correctly the brake calipers.. dangerous not to put the recommended Nm there :)

@ragerider6283 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting vid Chops although I'm a lazy mechanically incompetent cretin so it'd be down to the Suzuki dealer for me but good job sorting it. Looking forward to more GSXR vids, especially the aftermarket additions.

@HUSKY7-1 2 жыл бұрын

As others have mentioned, I'd go through that entire bike with a torque wrench and give everything a once over and service it for your own piece of mind before you go mach 10 on it (70mph). Headstock was probably loose through slammed down wheeley fails. Just shows you that a shiny clean bike is not necessarily all that it seems. I'd be speaking to the seller re the new front pads and service BS as they sell multiple bikes. Find out exactly what they claimed to have done and go from there. Still a great bike but just needs some fettling to be safe.

@thornscoop2 2 жыл бұрын

It also has a "flat spot" on the front wheel rim, which you can see when Choppsie spun the front wheel on the stand around 8.45. Probably a heavy landing from a wheelie..

@headrace4863 2 жыл бұрын

Great! All simple stuff that can solve a common issue, fantastic video chops. 👍👍

@LambChopRides 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy 👍

@bobklee2397 2 жыл бұрын

I expect the brake fluid was changed when that not a dealer put the new pads in , great video

@sefton1972 2 жыл бұрын

Quality tips Mr Chops(moss).

@dukie1616 2 жыл бұрын

Great to see some garage segments. Did your little minx do something different with her hair.. made it hard to focus on your work😉

@LambChopRides 2 жыл бұрын

Haha, pervert 🤣👍

@mikesbikechannel4387 10 ай бұрын

My brother, the mechanic, told me that when I'm diagnosing a problem, I do one thing at a time and test. Otherwise you'll never really learn what fixed the problem. Good video nonetheless, thanks for sharing.

@nigelren3719 2 жыл бұрын

Very useful vid Chops, thanks for that.

@lpete531 2 жыл бұрын

Great DIY video, very informative chops 👍🏽

@spudi9242 2 жыл бұрын

At 8:40 when spinning the wheel it also looks like the wheel has a buckle 🤔 great vid keep up the good work

@richardegan5797 2 жыл бұрын

Great informative video, learnt done new stuff myself there. 👌

@bobklee2397 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent vid, very helpful chap

@Wats1984 2 жыл бұрын

Good that you’ve solved the judder choppsy. I’d be tempted do a full check over after finding that top bolt loose. 👍

@craigsteinkamp3680 2 жыл бұрын

Indeed, a great bike. But i also think you should do a full check. Better safe than sorry!

@carmeloaslanidis2548 Жыл бұрын

Awesome video, just did this on my street triple and it's fixed it.

@LambChopRides Жыл бұрын

Great to hear!

@garthmctavish7335 2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting. I didn't know the front end of the bike is so sensitive. 😎👍🍻

@barney3417 2 жыл бұрын

Great Vid as always John, was your hat at Gregs house too 🤣

@the_mad_leprechaun 2 жыл бұрын

Top tips! I love top tips! Nicely done sir!

@LambChopRides 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy 👍

@robbiemildon574 Ай бұрын

In my opinion never touch the rivits other than cleaning them with brake cleaner, if you try to rotate them your make them worse. Best way is to replace the disc and pads together. Job done and all safe again.

@JorgeAsapche 2 жыл бұрын

I don't have judder nor a gsxr but had to watch another Chops garage time. Lmao with Mavis when she reminded me that I am watching someone watching a youtube video

@BigPezza 2 жыл бұрын

ha i had the same sort of issue on my old VFR i got last year. nice video, i think you need to give that bike a major service next. Nice "new" pads

@LambChopRides 2 жыл бұрын

Oh yes new pads coming Pezza 👍👍

@derekholme6922 2 жыл бұрын

Well done, reckon I would have gone right through the Bike with a fine tooth comb after finding the early issues with your Nuts etc! Cheers and ride safe🏍🍻

@dalehawkes1698 2 жыл бұрын

Great information in this one Chop’s isn’t that a top yoke socket on the rail next to Mavis? 🏍👍🏍🎉

@LambChopRides 2 жыл бұрын

Haha well spotted, nope that's a swinging arm remove nut for a fireblade... I did try that one! 👍

@lauriew2907 2 жыл бұрын

Good video chops and great tips.

@wilswood8137 2 жыл бұрын

Hmmm is the bloke you bought it off watching your vids chops ? Great vid as usual , love fiddling doing little jobs like these 👍🏼😁

@Jandejongjong 3 ай бұрын

Is it adjustable? Will the caliper go more left or right?! The pistons just push out how they always did. If 1 blocks on your rotor then the other will push.. just pressured and looking for the weakest opening. Didn’t knew it was on a gixxer. I have a busa and it only fits in 1 place.

@ritid69 2 жыл бұрын

Greg has got a lot to answer for

@CaliMotoTV 2 жыл бұрын

Go Dave Moss! Chops we need to get you a chesty cam :-D

@LambChopRides 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bill, like the new RR and that Vandemon exhaust! I want a v2 Streetfighter just so I can get one! 😍

@CaliMotoTV 2 жыл бұрын

@Lamb Chop Rides it sounds sooo good... the most bipolar Streetfighter on KZfaq just got another new exhaust. 🤣

@Dan-56 2 жыл бұрын

Great “How To” video 👍! Of course my main take away is; Im typically an animal with a screw driver 😆😆😆!

@JayEss414 2 жыл бұрын

great taste in bikes

@crnamrlja 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, thank you!

@davidelizabeth4933 2 жыл бұрын

New pads!? Shoutout the seller, Chopsy. We want a name! 😆😉 ❤❤

@megapet777 2 жыл бұрын

your gsxr is really nice looking :)

@romanr4409 Жыл бұрын

Had a vibration in my front disks on my bike. Never knew what a floating disk was. Did the ring clean and repositioning of the front wheel. The latter I did 2 times and ONLY after doing everything to the letter of the manual ( which was same as your linked video in description) and torquing to spec the vibration went away. Why are floating disks good? Pain in the ass I say.

@smgw15 2 жыл бұрын

Chopsy if you watch your vid from 8:37ish that side of the wheel looks to have a dent in it, could just be the video but that's worth a look too

@LambChopRides 2 жыл бұрын

Yes think it's a optical illusion from the camera, I will report back 👍

@jamesmarsh1307 Жыл бұрын

Good stuff mate

@stevenkerry3101 2 жыл бұрын

process of elimination mate well done i knew you would sort it very informative video chops .

@billv39 Жыл бұрын

Your pads are stamped YT7806. That may be a date code of format YMDD. If so, the pads were made in 2007 and would be original to the bike. So much for replaced pads. I'm not a fan of brake piston gripping pliers as the serrated grips leave marks on the piston insides. Admittedly the inner surface does is not involved with the brake seals. Your K8 calipers have alignment pins that fix the position of the caliper on the fork. The Dave Moss alignment technique will have no effect on the alignment. The free play that I see when the bolts are loosened is due to on/off movement of the caliper, not side-to-side alignment clearance. The L2-up Brembo calipers don't have alignment pins and can benefit from his technique. The lower hole on those calipers is oval for that purpose. You might be able to remove the lower pin on yours to allow realignment but I'd suggest that you leave it there.