LANDING GEAR MALFUNCTION Leads To EMERGENCY Landing at Los Angeles [ATC audio]

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June 10, 2022. An American Airlines Airbus A321 operating Flight 1 from New York to Los Angeles is on approach to the airport when the pilots report a problem: they’ve selected their landing gear lever to down, but the gear hasn’t moved. The crew declare PAN-PAN and discontinue their approach. They work through the checklist to manually extend the gear via gravity - will the gear lower, or will the pilots make a belly landing at one of the world’s busiest airports? Watch and listen as the pilots and air traffic control coordinate to get the aircraft back on the ground safely.
Flight Number: AA1 / AAL1
Route: John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK / KJFK) ❯ Los Angeles International Airport (LAX / KLAX)
Registration: N101NN
Type: Airbus A321
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0:00 American 1
0:25 Approach
0:44 Cleared to Land
1:00 “We’d like to go around”
2:03 Contact Departure
3:48 Contact Approach
6:04 Contact Tower
6:30 Landing
6:46 Supplementary ADS-B Data
#Emergency #Mayday #AirTrafficVisualised
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Air traffic control audio courtesy of LiveATC.net.
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Content Attribution - The following are licensed under CC BY:
"Airbus A321-231(w) ‘N101NN’ American Airlines" by Alan Wilson.
"N101NN - Airbus A321-231 - American Airlines" by Colin Brown.
"Air Traffic" by Andrew Hart.
"Landing Gear Swing - Landing Gear Retraction Test Airbus A320" by Aircraft Maintenance Engineer.

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@09shadowjet 2 жыл бұрын

"You want to do a belly up landing on the shortest runway?" "......... yes." That bit was funny 😂

@markmonse5285 2 жыл бұрын

The notion that there was to be a belly-up landing was an apparent assumption by the controller based on the crew report of being unable to lower the landing gear, What wasn't clear to the controller was that the crew still had to try the manual extension of the gear. That apparently worked and the flight landed on 24R (not 25L/R). Had the manual extension procedure not worked, it's highly likely the flight would have been diverted to ONT, so as to use one of their long runways, and avoid causing massive delay (for everyone) at LAX from having a runway closed with an aircraft gear-up on it. Back in the mid-1990s, I had a 737 with an actual gear issue (one main partially extended) on a BUR arrival, and I diverted it to ONT over LAX for the same reason.

@henryD9363 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the explanation. I was wondering how they could have their gear inspected if they couldn't get it down.

@currentbatches6205 2 жыл бұрын

TY for the info.

@JamesKordent 2 жыл бұрын

Whether the plane gets diverted is on the PIC. Capt will decide if he even wants to go to ONT. And, plus as PIC now you gotta talk to the company and figure if ONT is a viable option considering mx facility, company operation personnel etc. ATC can suggest where to divert but PIC dictates where his/her plane gets to land

@markmonse5285 2 жыл бұрын

@@JamesKordent Some years ago, TWA had a 767 with a actual gear problem (i.e. not an indication issue) inbound to STL. The flight got diverted to very nearby Scott AFB, because TWA didn't want to effectively screw their own hub with a disabled 767 tying up a runway for several hours. Yeah, MX had to do a field trip to recover their aircraft, but that was much cheaper than the costs of diverting/delaying other flight from the irregular operations. Short of an emergency that involves an immediate need to get on-deck (ex. fire), ample time time exists to determine where the best place to plant the aircraft is. A flight's PIC might not have all the needed info to make that determination, but coordination with his dispatcher (again, a non-fire situation) would best ensure the correct decision gets made.

@kylek1476 2 жыл бұрын

I live next to ONT. That would have been a sight

@ZicajosProductions 2 жыл бұрын

Someone had been recording the emergency ATC freq live; Tower advised AAL1 on final approach that their gear appeared extended. The gear can be seen extended with the main gear doors still open as a result of the manual extension procedure. Upon landing the gear doors struggle to close but remain open. Nonetheless, the aircraft, crew, and passengers made it back safely. Those pilots were a class act!

@Kobaneko2005 2 жыл бұрын

Imagine the ATC guys thinking they're about to have a major incident at the airport and the plane pops through the 500 layer they're all like OH THANK GOD...

@captaingordon 2 жыл бұрын

No. The pilots were not class act. Poor communication and decision making.

@captaingordon 2 жыл бұрын

ATC was the class act. Pilots were not concise in communication nor course of actions.

@ugiswrong 2 жыл бұрын

Atc had a passive aggressive tone

@gusbailey68 2 жыл бұрын

I liked the additional ADSB data.

@tompurvis1261 2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like two experienced pilots on AA 1.

@kiwiwhispers 2 жыл бұрын

You can actually see this arriving recorded live by Kevin at Airline Videos Live at the very end of his 24 hour stream. You wouldn’t believe that at the exact same time this emergency was happening Air Force Two was departing and they had to pull resources from the landed AA1 to let her depart. Was a crazy end to the live stream!

@philr6829 2 жыл бұрын

A “belly up” landing really isn’t ever advised. Lol

@detroitbucknut 2 жыл бұрын

but if the gear is up and you half barrel roll it, the gear is now pointed down. controller is next level.

@dougsundseth6904 2 жыл бұрын

The goal is presumably to lubricate the runway with the self-loading cargo. Unfortunately, you also lubricate the runway with the flight crew, which is generally seen to be suboptimal.

@mcarlosfc 2 жыл бұрын

@@dougsundseth6904 This comment made my day :D

@landahoy5217 2 жыл бұрын

We did a belly up landing and walked away. Any landing you walk away from is a good one ☝️

@jamesmelton7413 2 жыл бұрын

Same ish just happen in Miami.. 🤔

@olsenjk 2 жыл бұрын

Another great video! Love the extra detail at the end.

@jaik195701 2 жыл бұрын

My dad bellied UAL flight 757 (a Boeing 727-200) at MacDill AFB on April 7 1967. No injuries. Plane restored to service.

@theEagleBeagle 2 жыл бұрын

When I saw the preview text I thought you got yesterday's Miami one done already! Good video here none the less.

@AirTrafficVisualised 2 жыл бұрын

It's in production - keep an eye out!

@AirTrafficVisualised 2 жыл бұрын

It's up! Hope it's worth the wait! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qtGopbZytNrdg2Q.html

@hack1n8r 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome job -- again!! Thank you for the additional ADS-B info at the end -- something new I learned! Also, at first I thought the controller confused his words, saying, "Belly up landing", which, of course, conjured in my mind a 180° barrel-roll, and landing upside down... a very cool safety trick to keep the engines from separating (wink, wink)... anyway, I digress... When I heard the *other* controller repeat the phrase, it became clear (to me) that it meant "Belly landing, gear up,", or, specifically, "Belly, [gear-]up landing." Which, of course, is worst-case if the gear couldn't be lowered & locked. Again, great job!!

@sailingeric 2 жыл бұрын

Looks like that ATC controller picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.

@DarkKnightBusa 2 жыл бұрын

And don’t call me Shirley!

@starguy2718 2 жыл бұрын

...but that's not important.

@DanielDavis1973 2 жыл бұрын

6:55 this is the same process we do at Boeing on the field when testing gear related work before we deliver our aircraft. It's really the only practical way to do it. We call it a "gear swing". The weight of fuel the airplane has onboard also has to be accounted for so we'll pump fuel from one tank to another to balance it out prior to jacking.

@irongoatrocky2343 2 жыл бұрын

I've been on the 787 and 777 Final Assy they, 'Swing the Gear' when assembling inside as well as out on the Flight Line!

@nicholasstokes8330 2 жыл бұрын

Thankyou for the follow-up information.

@dianericciardistewart2224 2 жыл бұрын

Once again, your detail -- especially showing surrounding aircraft which could be affected, is awesome!! And the extra information at the end was great!! Thank you so much for your research and hard work!! Spectacular video!! 💕✈✈💕

@edstoro3883 2 жыл бұрын

The flight crew did an almost excellent emergency. As noted by other comments the flight crew did not give the airport (ATC, first responders etc) needed information on WHEN the landing gear was going to be extended by the alternate method. The ground crew was, at first, working on the assumption that there was going to be a belly landing. A rehash of this emergency would have the flight crew announcing that they would extend the gear on final (short final, long final, don't have their checklist in hand) for ground personnel planning. And ATC asking (for clarification) when will the emergency extension take place. Falls into the same logic/philosophy as 'check gear down'. Otherwise, 5 star to ground, ATC, and flight crew. All emergencies should turn out to be boring!

@madog1 2 жыл бұрын

Great job! 👍

@JM-ig4ed 2 жыл бұрын

My very first flight ever had a problem like this - thanks for the vid - helps understand the situation. In our case, they lost the hydrolic fluid; prepared us for crash landing, but got the gear down manually at the last minute. Funny thing - since it was my first, didn't think it was so unusual - even the prepping for landing - I thought maybe this was how it was on ever flight. Only when we actually landed and saw all the emergency vehicles did I think to be scared - lol

@gybzen 2 жыл бұрын

I don't know why I watch these but I still do.

@chriskibbe2901 2 жыл бұрын

ATC went with ‘Belly Up’ and crew replies ‘Affirmative’??? (Twilight zone music 🎵 in the background)

@aribizarri 3 күн бұрын

huh, i think this is the first time i’ve heard an american civilian pilot say “pan-pan-pan.” glad it’s still used by some of them, the distinction between urgent and emergent concerns is pretty important.

@phillp7777 2 жыл бұрын

thankyou for all computer sw/hw progress in last 50yrs. . or be no fancy fullmotion simulators airliner pilots like these guys to train lots hours doing emerg proc wo burning wasting gallon of fuel... saving everyone lots of money.. but esp highly training pilots to pull off unexpected things like this. Sims use of computers one Best thing to ever happen for aviation.

@captaingordon 2 жыл бұрын

Backseat pilot; It would have helped and cut down on the initial back and forth with tower had the AA pilots simply stated, “Landing Gear issue, going missed, request vectors for an area to troubleshoot.” Second, they had plenty of fuel, go to the the hold area, try lowering the gear there so as to take as much guess work out of the equation, thus helping ATC and Crash/Fire. Thirdly, SoCal even tries to suggest and help out suggest a different runway. The AA pilots chose the worst possible runway. …Pilots’ score 6/10, ATC’s score 10/10

@SAber_Pilot 2 жыл бұрын

What makes you think there was any guess work at all on the pilot's side? Once they completed the (very short) "alternate gear extension" procedure and see down and locked indications the issue is gone. Going out and circling wouldn't have accomplished anything. Granted there was clearly some miscommunication between them and ATC as to the severity of the problem.

@TaylorTravelsTheWorld 2 жыл бұрын

awatched this one live at LAX... The ATC communications made it seem a lot more serious than it was. The aircraft landed with the landing gear doors open with the gear down. The pilots did a great job with this one

@timp1390 2 жыл бұрын

I think it was more that he didn't seem to ask for confirmation of the gear being manually extended on downwind (or it wasn't included). I would expect the aircraft to do a low overshoot to confirm the gear fully extended (even though this doesn't confirm locked) prior to making the final approach for landing

@SAber_Pilot 2 жыл бұрын

@@timp1390 This wouldn't be necessary as the aircraft would have been giving them full indication of gear fully down and locked which is a far more sure sign than a controller with binoculars. They would know if it wasn't on the second attempt immediately.

@awateilrahc 2 жыл бұрын

Cannot wait for the Miami Airport atc

@AirTrafficVisualised 2 жыл бұрын

It's available for your viewing pleasure! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qtGopbZytNrdg2Q.html

@samuell.siskind 2 жыл бұрын

So funny I just flew on this plane yesterday

@marks6663 2 жыл бұрын

why is that funny? Many people flew on that plane in the past.

@samuell.siskind 2 жыл бұрын

@@marks6663 Just a coincidence that I flew on that plane, and then watched a video about it the next day.

@mike13086 2 жыл бұрын

Flight from JFK to LA with only 89 people on board wow

@nick21614 2 жыл бұрын

It's probably one with mostly business class seats

@cruisinguy6024 2 жыл бұрын

This is their special transcontinental flight, not your typical 2 class domestic greyhound bus flight.

@Jack3md 2 жыл бұрын

That's an 87% load factor. Their A321T's they use on JFK transcon routes only have 102 seats onboard.

@mike13086 2 жыл бұрын

@@Jack3md I learn something new everyday, thanks!

@Jack3md 2 жыл бұрын

@@mike13086 no problem!

@maxsdad538 2 жыл бұрын

FWIW, "gear up" landing TYPICALLY refers to landings where the pilot "forgets" to lower the landing gear, while "belly landing" means there is a mechanical failure of the gear to properly lower. I was observing one landing(standing behind the pilot) at NAS Keflavik back in the 70's (USAF EC-121) when the rook copilot called gear down and locked. Aircraft commander, flight engineer, and I all saw 3 red, showing gear up, and the pilot ordered "repeat pre-landing checklist" The co-pilot repeated "Flaps set, BMEP 40 (Brake Mean Effective Pressure), 3 gear down and locked". Still seeing gear up, the A/C turned to the flight engineer and said "figure out the landing roll for a "gear up" landing". The co-pilot saw his mistake, slammed the gear down, and greased into the SMOOTHEST landing I ever experienced. 3 days later on t hat same aircraft, the left landing gear snapped on takeoff and 40,000 pounds of 115/145 aviation fuel exploded under my bony white ass. With full fuel for a 14 hour flight, the Connie didn't "explode", but she was an engulfed bitch by the time we got TF out. Had the tanks been empty (like at the end of a flight), we'd have gone up like a hand grenade.

@Avgeek1564 2 жыл бұрын

Landing gear won't come down, will be stopping on the runway.. No kidding! 😂

@brucemurr 2 жыл бұрын

That's exactly what i thought. They WILL be stopping on the runway if the gear doesn't come down.

@CheezeCracker 2 жыл бұрын

American 1 "Uhh, Tower, be advised, looks like we jettisoned all passenger luggage on the runway, we'd liked to continue to gate on full power, departing before passengers find out"

@wouldntyouliketoknow9891 2 жыл бұрын

"We are unable to get the landing gear down and we will need to stop on the runway for inspection" - WUT??? As opposed to continuing to the gate, on your belly? I suppose the jets have enough thrust to make that happen if you really want to, but its not how I would do it.

@CheezeCracker 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe if it was the last day on the job. Sure. Send it!!! Southwest "GND, clear all personnel at gate, were coming in HOT, send equipment, See ya"

@1zanglang 2 жыл бұрын

This was because at the time of the comunication, they were unable to lower the gear on approach and didn't went yet through the procedure to check and try to lower the gear. As the last solution they could have the gear lowered manually, so at the time, they were sure they will lower the gear somehow. A belly landing was considered unlikely at the time.

@brianmcdonald6519 2 жыл бұрын

The only response to your comment is LOL!!

@phillp7777 2 жыл бұрын

Woww super great capture radio comms this... my palmsalready sweating just listening safe on ground..but when Atc say " belly up landing" omg omg!... really uknow crazzy serious problem... These AA1 pilots soo soo serious professional Best and LAX Atc esp Appr Contr excellent skills talkn coord it all so Great! amazing pax most people never even know hear any this talk what's going on cockpit in event like this ..What pilots Atc do need know technical skills get plane on rw safely down.. lucky airline pilots get great training. omg 89 perolple too. good know all safe. Great great job by pilots Did crew have do manual crank down of gear ? too bad couldn't hear tower emerg freq stuff.

@3uhhuh3 10 ай бұрын

This was obviously not a belly up landing. The failure was both LGCIU's ( Landing Gear Control Interface Units). The FO missed that comment when the controller mentioned it. The reason why RWY 24R was requested was the ILS was out for 25L, and the ILS (lower mins) was available for 24R. They were shooting the RNAV approach to 25L but the weather was close to minimums. Did not want to risk a go around with low ceilings at LAX with the gear out and unable to retract it. Manual gear extension worked and the landing was normal on 24R. LDA is 8926' on 24R. If the gear had not come down, a longer runway would have been requested. Gear had to be pinned on the runway by maintenance for the taxi in. Air Force two was about to take off after the landing, so there was a delay. I know this because I was the Captain on this flight.

@3uhhuh3 10 ай бұрын

I meant not a gear up, belly landing,

@mgomez5606 2 жыл бұрын

so maintenance CND the discrepancy?

@frankblangeard8865 2 жыл бұрын

A 'belly-up landing' would be where the plane is inverted when it lands. I think that 'belly landing' is the proper term here.

@AirTrafficVisualised 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, the controller seems to be mixing "gear-up landing" and "belly landing". A "belly-up landing" would be a high-risk, low-reward strategy, I think. 😅

@apple1524 2 жыл бұрын

Could you do the recent Sri Lanka, British Airways close call collision after pilot disobeys the ATC

@MagnumOpusSRT 2 жыл бұрын

LGCIU failure. Had to manually extend. Taxi in normally. Go to hotel.

@desoconnor7445 2 жыл бұрын

It’s called landing trim

@philipfreeman72 2 жыл бұрын

I was on a jet that evidently thought they had that prob. they stopped it on a dime.

@CS819 2 жыл бұрын

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@caspaul17 Жыл бұрын

God Bless you and thank you for this site - I love it

@nateb118 2 жыл бұрын

I always think its interesting when they use the word "souls" to describe the number of people on board. "There's 88 souls on board" "uhm . . we show 89 in the record on the ground here." "Yeah, its just that my ex wife is on this plane, and she has no soul" "roger that"

@patthewoodboy 2 жыл бұрын

cant get the landing gear down and then says I'll need to stop on the runway for an inspection , without a landing gear were else would he expect to be , can taxi without wheels ? :-)

@lyaneris 2 жыл бұрын

There was definitely some miscommunication (between dep and app). AAL1 said they were going to manually extend it (basically dropping it using gravity) and assumed they were going to get it down that way - which they apparently did. However, the pilots should have corrected app/ mentioned to app that they had gotten the gear down manually.

@patthewoodboy 2 жыл бұрын

@@lyaneris agree. However he said he would need a visual inspection before saying he was going to manually lower the gear , it made me chuckle.

@lyaneris 2 жыл бұрын

@@patthewoodboy Yeah, the pilot was a bit over the place ^^. Had they been unable to drop the gear manually, they would have probably held somewhere to talk to company.

@patthewoodboy 2 жыл бұрын

@@lyaneris and some serious manouvres to get the gear down , shake it loose , as a passenger that might have been interesting

@markmonse5285 2 жыл бұрын

@@patthewoodboy On airline aircraft. those don't work, nor do single gear touch and goes, like Piedmont did at CLT some years ago..

@brainfreeze44131 2 жыл бұрын

Does anybody know if the on ground fire crew or if the AA maintenance crew had pins to make sure the gear didn't collapse and if they installed them on the runway?

@bige.3474 2 жыл бұрын

The mains have collars. The nose has a pin. All are carried in the cockpit.

@Belchmaster41 Жыл бұрын

all gears are tested after all wiring is hooked up

@rcampbell4967 2 жыл бұрын

The landing gear won't come down and they request a full stop on the runway for inspection? The shortest runway is ok because the brakes work fine, it's just that the gear won't come down? I understand the confusion from ATC.

@Belchmaster41 Жыл бұрын

stubborn gear? maybe

@marks6663 2 жыл бұрын

He says, No issues with the braking just the gear. Does this pilot not know where the brakes are?

@mariajamelo7658 2 жыл бұрын

Hello..Beautiful..People

@tomlew7137 2 жыл бұрын

so did they get the landing gear down manually? or did they belly up land

@mdynasty8219 2 жыл бұрын

They got the landing gears down manually, otherwise the maintenance would have been way longer.

@tomlew7137 2 жыл бұрын

@@mdynasty8219 duh that makes sense. thanks!

@StillTyping913 2 жыл бұрын

They were able to get the landing gear down, however when they landed they got put in a groundstop cause Air Force 2 was leaving at the same time they were landing so they had to sit on the runway for almost half an hour.

@deantait8326 2 жыл бұрын

Landing Gear up, isn’t normally advised either. Is AA-1, MIA to LAX ? Or?

@AirTrafficVisualised 2 жыл бұрын

AA1 currently operates JFK to LAX.

@Belchmaster41 Жыл бұрын

does that include ABE (Allentown) and DTE (Detroit)?

@Dstew57A 2 жыл бұрын

“You want to land belly up”? I have not heard that wording before..wonder if that is standard for a gear malfunction?

@toddjasper1 2 жыл бұрын

I think it’s a mistake… combining “belly landing” with “gear-up landing”

@wouldntyouliketoknow9891 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Thats a good one. Belly landings or gear up landings don't hold a candle to the rarely seen belly up landing. Its probably hard to hold the plane inverted in the glide slope.

@toddjasper1 2 жыл бұрын

@@wouldntyouliketoknow9891 just depends on how screwed up your control surfaces are at that time… just ask Denzel 😂

@Kevinfpv2009 2 жыл бұрын

why speed = km/h?

@jorgeosman2799 2 жыл бұрын

👏👏👏👏

@Gemini1694 2 жыл бұрын

Isn't there an enormous distracther from the ATC.

@mattwalsh9278 2 жыл бұрын

Hello tower. American 1... yeah.. we cant get the landing gear down.. so we will need to stop on the runway for an inspection ?? Guys.. I think its your head that needs inspecting.. with NO LANDING Gear Pray tell how you will wait on the runway for inspection .. HELLLLOOO ??

@masheroz 2 жыл бұрын

Is it just me, or is it horrible communication from the pilots to the tower re their problem?

@A.J.1656 2 жыл бұрын

I wonder what their reasoning was to request 24R.

@CheezeCracker 2 жыл бұрын

I'd like to think courtesy, if so, that pilot deserves a vacation! doing what he can to not screw up the day for everyone else!

@A.J.1656 2 жыл бұрын

@@CheezeCracker They split landings fairly equally between 25L and 24R, so I don't see how it would help any. 24R stays busy on a normal day. The only thing I can think of is if it was the only ILS available and they wanted to minimize the chance of a missed approach.

@bandwevil 2 жыл бұрын

@@A.J.1656 Yeah, the ILS for 25L is out of service right now. It's why those other planes get sent onto the RNAV app.

@A.J.1656 2 жыл бұрын

@@bandwevil I'm surprised LAX wasn't still trying to push visuals. I've seen the ATIS update delayed by a full hour so they wouldn't have to mention the marine layer on the departure end. Lol

@andysPARK 2 жыл бұрын

Is it okay that they didn't burn fuel before making a partial gear up landing? Potentially, a fire could have started right?

@brianmcdonald6519 2 жыл бұрын

After a cross country flight, I imagine the fuel was sufficiently low enough that dumping would not have been necessary. Usually a fuel dump would only be necessary if they had just taken off, or had travelled only a short distance.

@maxsdad538 2 жыл бұрын

It's more dangerous to land with empty tanks. Full tanks burn, but don't explode. The only reason you dump fuel is to lower the weight.

@cruisinguy6024 2 жыл бұрын

They landed with the gear down.

@michelrail 2 жыл бұрын

It's not "pan,pan,pan" you're supposed to say. It's "panpan, panpan, panpan" 😉

@Janne_Mai 18 күн бұрын

That's a terrible tongue twister though. 😂

@eleventy-seven 2 жыл бұрын

No data no fata

@mattwalsh9278 2 жыл бұрын

Tower to American 1... yeah ok.. so just do a BELLY UP landing.. we realise this will kill everyone on board,, but hey.. we can at least inspect the landing gear.. go ahead..

@alexsandrkerensky7457 2 жыл бұрын

Every pilots nightmare?

@danearl8607 2 жыл бұрын

Watched it live on LA FLights or somesuch KZfaq streaming channel.

@palm7z 2 жыл бұрын

Belly up…??? Upside down??? 🤔

@harveywilde6781 2 жыл бұрын

LOL that reminds me to one of afp95 t-shirt.

@scottl.1568 2 жыл бұрын

Whut

@Kobaneko2005 2 жыл бұрын

"Unable to get the landing gear down so we'll have to stop on the runway for inspection"... Dude doesn't seem to realize if you land without gear, there's gonna be an inspection, investigations, and liability lawsuits...

@harveywilde6781 2 жыл бұрын

They did land with the gear down, only the couldn't extend the gear using the normal leaver. They use the manual gear extension procedure. The inspection is for (in case of) hydraulic leak.

@bige.3474 2 жыл бұрын

@@harveywilde6781 Manual extension causes loss of nose wheel steering. They have to reset the handle or be towed in.

@Mixer-he2wb 2 жыл бұрын

The shortest runway at LAX is longer than the longest runway at ___. Belly up? Call Denzel Washington, he can do that. 🙄

@theflyingamerican7223 2 жыл бұрын

Wrong runway lol

@mubarizorucov7882 2 жыл бұрын

The quality of communication as if they talking in the 19th century. Why it's that low? Isn't it digital?

@henryD9363 2 жыл бұрын

People need to talk to each other.

@derek20la 2 жыл бұрын

Aircraft radios use analog AM modulation on the VHF band. Be assured the quality sounds way better to the pilots and ATC on their costly professional radios. What we hear is recorded by aviation enthusiasts using hobby equipment that may be located far away from the airport. It is not in the interest of safety to switch the standard. With digital, it requires a minimum signal strength to decode. With analog a weak signal will be scratchy but you will still hear it.

@user-gc1ky2rf3y 2 жыл бұрын

A U.S. airline declaring an emergency using proper ICAO phrasing?! What’s happening?!

@billyjack3361 2 жыл бұрын

WHAT??? He calls ‘PAN PAN PAN’ then requests a return for landing but didn’t complete the ‘Failure of Landing Gear to Extend’ checklist? Then he says he doesn’t think they will get the gear down so they’ll need an inspection on the runway after landing. Do ya think? He should have held somewhere until the checklist was completed then either land uneventfully or request assistance when the gear failed to deploy. They had 2 and a half hours of fuel. What’s the rush guys?

@AirTrafficVisualised 2 жыл бұрын

The crew did complete the relevant checklists, and the gear did extend prior to landing. The pilot said that they thought the gear WOULD extend and lock, but in case it didn't, they declared PAN-PAN and requested an inspection.

@billyjack3361 2 жыл бұрын

No. you need to listen again. At 2:18 he clearly says ‘we’re assuming we won’t get the gear down’ and they will need to stop on the runway and have an inspection. He also said they hadn’t run the checklist yet. The second contact at 3:15, while on downwind, the pilot said they still hadn’t run the checklist but the gear SHOULD come down. Even the tower advised other traffic that a belly landing was expected on 24R. At 4:24 SOCAL asked to confirm they wanted to belly land on 24R. The pilot responded affirmative. As I said, running a checklist while in the pattern was a poor decision. With plenty of fuel there was no need to hurry the landing. All of what you said did happen, but you have the time line of the events all wrong.

@SAber_Pilot 2 жыл бұрын

@@billyjack3361 Man, a lot of backseat driving here.... -First timestamp he is almost certainly saying "assuming we WILL (We'ulll) get it down." and the caption is wrong. Why on earth would he be talking about an inspection if he thought they were about to do a belly landing? -Second timestamp confirms my above point by saying "I'm pretty sure it should come down once we do that" -Clearly a miscommunication on the belly landing situation that AA1 didn't hear or understand on the radio or I assume they would have corrected. The alternate gear extension procedure is 5 steps long and would take maybe 30 seconds to complete. They could have done this at any point during this sequence and we don't know exactly when they did it. To say they hurried up or to actually believe they thought they were going blindly into a potential belly landing is asinine.

@billyjack3361 2 жыл бұрын

@@SAber_Pilot No backseat driving here. What’s hard to believe is even with the video and communications showing time stamps and captioning, you refuse to agree that what I said is accurate. Amazing. Also, there is no guarantee that the alternate gear extension checklist will work. Hardly 30 seconds. As I said AGAIN, doing a checklist for inoperative gear in the pattern is foolish. Asking ATC for a hold over the Pacific while running the checklist would have been a much better decision in my opinion. BTW. We DO know when they ran the checklist. When downwind. Also, I never said they were blindly going into a belly landing…You can’t make stuff up to make your argument sound better.

@SAber_Pilot 2 жыл бұрын

@@billyjack3361 I refuse to agree because what you said wasn't accurate... They DID think the gear would come down and the pilots at no time thought they were preparing for a belly landing. If they had, there would have been much more of the additional steps you describe happening. There was obviously a big communication issue between ATC and AA1 regarding the severity of the problem. It's a half-page checklist and it is 5 steps long. Only the first two steps of which are actually manipulating something. There was more than enough time to enter a hold and assess if it didn't work.

@starguy2718 2 жыл бұрын

"Belly up"? That would be landing upside down, wouldn't it? "Gear up", maybe... or even "belly landing", but not "belly up".

@JDashRider 2 жыл бұрын

Only 89 souls for a cross country flight on American in a foreign made aircraft. Pretty much sums up America right now.

@saxmanb777 2 жыл бұрын

That aircraft only seats 102, so it’s nearly at 90% load factor. Plus using one flights load isn’t really indicative of the overall shape of things. Planes are generally packed full this summer.

@kgood241 2 жыл бұрын

It’s a transcon setup so it’s got less seats but more comfortable seats, more expensive seats as well

@davenz000 2 жыл бұрын

"American one" how lucky are they will their tail number? It's usually Whisky Tango Foxtrot Four Twenty or Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo Sixty Niner. declaring an emergency.

@lyaneris 2 жыл бұрын

Some small corrections: it's the flight number/callsign used for the flight, not the tail number. Also, the callsign has a maximum of 4 numbers or letters after the name. The tailnumber is mostly used for general aviation planes and in the US it starts with N(ovember). Assuming AAL has this plane registered in the US, it's N followed by a sequence of numbers. If it was (hypothetically speaking) registered in Germany, it would be D-A (for two engined jet above a certein weight) followed by 3 letters.

@davenz000 2 жыл бұрын

@@lyaneris Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo Mike Echo Delta Echo Alpha Delta Sixty Niner.

@lyaneris 2 жыл бұрын

@@davenz000 you died? Sry man ^^