SpectraLayers 10 unmix song; how well does it really work?

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In this video I checkout the stems that are produced by SpectraLayers versus the real stems of a song. How good are they and what can they be used for?
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00:00 Intro
00:41 Streambeats
01:37 The test song: What If (feat. Fuslie)
04:33 Unmix in SpectraLayers
07:33 Comparing stems
13:26 Conclusion
15:03 Outro
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@rodrigospacecraft_ 11 ай бұрын

Your unmixing demonstrations are the best ones I've seen.

@LanewoodStudios 11 ай бұрын

Thank you very much 👍

@TigerRogers0660 10 ай бұрын

One thing that gets very much overlooked is creating stems from an old mono recording - say from the 1950s or early 1960s. Then creating a much superior stereo mix. This is what i use it for.

@LanewoodStudios 10 ай бұрын

Yes thanks for the tip!

@paisleepunk Ай бұрын

this is literally the only reason i care at all about spectral demixing (call me a fossilhead ig)

@TemmeSikkema 8 ай бұрын

Fantastic showcase. Well executed, well explained. Sold me on the unmix function too.

@LanewoodStudios 8 ай бұрын

Great to hear!

@tigabooma 10 ай бұрын

Thank you for this detailed test of Spectralayers 10; i think i will order the test version, and probably the full version after the test time.

@LanewoodStudios 10 ай бұрын

Yes check it out!

@peaceyvibes 7 ай бұрын

Brilliant video. I have been using a number of tools for stem separation. I worked on one song with lots of detail in the track on RX10 / Ripx & Spectral Layers 10 pro... and SL came out top in terms of sound quality and minimising the artifacts. Its got this knack of softening- them without losing too much of the quality. Steinberg did goood!

@LanewoodStudios 7 ай бұрын

Yes they did 👍

@DjBydLo 7 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@LanewoodStudios 7 ай бұрын

👍

@kelvinfunkner 10 ай бұрын

wow...this was shocking at how well it did! Obvious and expected artifacts of course, but it really did surprise me...still scraping my jaw off of the floor actually hahaha...I actually have a project that I produced years and years ago that another engineer mixed and mastered...now the client wants to revisit and update that project and I'm having trouble getting the original files back from that engineer...your video makes me wonder if I could actually just "unmix" the pre-mastered versions I have here and update them myself...especially if they do actually null when phase inverted from the original! These are indeed exciting times to live in!!!

@LanewoodStudios 10 ай бұрын

Yes me too 😎😁. Give it a try with unmix I would say.

@TigerRogers0660 10 ай бұрын

I've been a Spectralayers user for a few years now (currently using version 7). This version 10 is very impressive!! With lots of practice you can manually extract the tiny missing pieces of say , the piano. Nice demonstration!!

@LanewoodStudios 10 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@jrgroberts 10 ай бұрын

Thank you for this. I use RX, but am looking to get Spectralayers when it is on offer as it is (currently) better. I don't want to give you more work, but if you mixed the stems together to a full mix, and then unmixed them, you could determine how effective the unmix is without the confounding factor of unknown processing in the supplied full mix ;)

@LanewoodStudios 10 ай бұрын

Yes I thought of that after I made the video already 😉.

@hakangurdol 10 ай бұрын

Spectra Layers is so perfect for me, I use it on my live concert multi track recordings I get them from Dante Virtual capable live consoles, it works much better on cutting the microphone bleeds from the vocal ore other tracks, it makes my Jobe much more easy and quality vise, a big thanks to Steinberg and also to you to covering me up in Cubase.

@LanewoodStudios 10 ай бұрын

Yes I can imagine that it's great for that job. It's quite amazing what it does. Thanks for your comment on how you use SpectraLayers!

@gennarosicurezza5107 11 ай бұрын

Thank you very much. Following the video I feel Real detect better frequencies. The example was the piano which Spectre Layer stems doesn't give the full frequencies

@LanewoodStudios 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching and commenting!

@sunpathviewer 11 ай бұрын

Thank you. Low middle seems to fade to ambiance. Separating live abstract tracks for production reference is my primary usage.⚕️🎶🥀🌀🎹

@LanewoodStudios 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing!

@jefjaeger 10 ай бұрын

I am overall impressed by the demonstration. I am interested in software like this to rebalance bad mixes on problem tracks...usually older recordings that have issues and cannot be remixed. Unfortunately, I usually end up with many audible artifacts. So I can make a better mix, but the audio quality of the track is not good. I basically trade one problem for another. The technology is pretty good though.

@LanewoodStudios 10 ай бұрын

Try it with SpectraLayers because the individual layers perfectly sum.

@fullsoundrecording 10 ай бұрын

Holy crap man that spectral layers is amazing man. Holy crap, you just sold an upgrade here from this demo man. Yes man its remarkable, and will get nothing but better over time

@LanewoodStudios 10 ай бұрын

Yes it is!

@uselessoldman7964 10 ай бұрын

I love ripping tracks apart and mixing them in Atmos. Once split I then import the drums to Superior Drummer and add what drum kit I like and same with EZBass for the bass guitar. I had been using Izotope rebalance for the unmix but I have to be honest and admit Spectralayers is slightly better, especially drums and bass. Well done Steinberg another winner !!

@LanewoodStudios 10 ай бұрын

Great tip!

@uselessoldman7964 10 ай бұрын

@@LanewoodStudios Don't forget once you have done the initial song unmix then take the drum layer on its own and split that into snare cymbals and kick. I also tried the noisy speech to extract the vocals but thats not really an improvement from the song unmix vocal layer. AS for multi voice, thats hit and miss but sometimes gives interesting results that can be useful for creating harmonies

@LanewoodStudios 10 ай бұрын

@@uselessoldman7964 thanks for the tips!

@LuvHrtZ 9 ай бұрын

I've been trying to use this program (and others) to resurrect a friends 40 year old recordings without much success, mainly due to the poor recording quality of the originals. I've had better luck by tempo mapping the original tape recordings and converting the audio to midi. The most frustrating aspect of these types of programs is the amount of bleed that occurs and the Comb filtering artefacts. I'm probably better off re-recording the tracks I suppose. As per usual, a great tutorial. Thanks.

@LanewoodStudios 9 ай бұрын

Yes if the recording is pretty bad it will all work less well. Probably nothing will work in that case though.

@dodgingrain3695 11 ай бұрын

Its impressive and good enough for a lot of things like splitting out a drum stem for drum triggering. However they need to get closer but I'm not sure if that's possible especially on non-harmonic instruments.

@LanewoodStudios 11 ай бұрын

Yes exactly. How far can you go with this?

@MACEASY2 11 ай бұрын

There is no doubt that SL10 is a huge improvement on previous versions and is a big step forward, as you have shown. All unmixing programmes have artefacts and less than perfect results, which you expect, but you can do a lot of remixing with this level of quality. One observation I have is that a typical scenario for using this software is for badly mixed or recorded material which only has a stereo version. I think that is where these programmes are put to the test, since they will not be working with optimal material in those cases, and will have a harder time separating instruments and voices. But those are the scenarios where they are most useful. Having done a project of a theatre musical badly recorded to just stereo, with voices too low in the mix, I tried all these programmes and combined results from a few of them. It eventually worked, but took very many hours of trial and error and painstaking work. But I can confidently state that if I had SL10, it would been much easier and quicker. So we should be very grateful for such progress. It may therefore a useful trial if you try some badly mixed or recorded material and seeing how much you can rescue and improve it, rather than clean, well mixed material..

@LanewoodStudios 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for your extensive response. That’s a good point that you may need this most to ‘remix’ poorly mixed songs and that separation will be harder on that kind of material. May give that a try. Another use-case may be to make Dolby ATMOS mixes from only a stereo track. That could maybe even be an automated thing 🤓😎.

@MACEASY2 11 ай бұрын

@@LanewoodStudios Yes, good point. That would be a great use of this kind of remixing - making spatial versions of stereo tracks.

@LanewoodStudios 11 ай бұрын

@@MACEASY2 exactly! Another video idea ;).

@mrkhugh 9 ай бұрын

SpectraLayers helps me with my backing tracks. Seriously cuts down my time. I will usually unmix all parts. Then if I want the sound to be more crisp say like on that guitar, I will just track either all or some of that part to clean it up. The piano, keyboard or organ, I will be playing that live.

@LanewoodStudios 9 ай бұрын

Good idea 👍

@DanknDerpyGamer 10 ай бұрын

I've only tried these during the demo periods (don't have $300 for a license atm) - but I definitely noticed a DRAMATIC improvement between SpectraLayers Pro 9 and SpectraLayers Pro 10 in terms of how well different things get unmixed. Hopefully there can be more instrument unmixing options eventually. Actually, I had a thought, it'd be really neat if they had the ability to queue up different actions to be carried out sequentially (if they don't already have that ability) - for example, if I am unmixing tracks, and want to unmix the track, and then unmix those generated stems into components, and not have to nurse SpectraLayers through the process (and do everything manually), but do other things (ESPECIALLY if it is gonna take a while due to the length of audio being unmixed). Wonder if that makes any sense.

@LanewoodStudios 10 ай бұрын

Yes the unmixing has improved a lot. As for your suggestion, it is sort of what they implemented for drums. You can unmix a stereo mix to end up with a stereo drum track. And then you can unmix the stereo drum track into its components (snare, kick, cymbals, etc..). It's now a manual two step process though. So yes if they offer this for more initial layers it makes sense to automate that.

@DanknDerpyGamer 10 ай бұрын

@@LanewoodStudios You know ... I was pondering this today, could it be possible to look at the drum unmixing feature as kindof a subset of the component unmixing (or a highly specialized subset, rather)? (does that even make any sense?)

@canonguy1 6 ай бұрын

I’m surprised how well it works… for learning parts, this is what I would use it for and for that I think it’s amazing… I’m sure future versions of this software will be even better but I think for me the difference will be so small…

@LanewoodStudios 6 ай бұрын

Yes 👍

@artysanmobile 10 ай бұрын

First of all, thanks for the excellent presentation. I can think of a number of situations I might have used this in the past, mainly to rebalance archival material. For my uses, I would not have stripped a mix entirely to stems for rebalancing, but instead used some of the resulting stems to enhance the existing mix. Which brings up the subject of delay. Are the resulting stems automatically delay compensated to allow direct use in my desired method? Manually adjusting a stem or two is no big deal but I am curious about the default delay compensation.

@LanewoodStudios 10 ай бұрын

Hi, well when I sum the stems and reverse the phase of the original there was silence. So the stems are perfectly aligned with the original.

@artysanmobile 10 ай бұрын

@@LanewoodStudios Ah, yes, you did show that. Thanks for your reply.

@LanewoodStudios 10 ай бұрын

@@artysanmobile 👍

@WorksopGimp Ай бұрын

As close as it doesn't make a difference, on most of the bits I would use

@LanewoodStudios Ай бұрын

👍

@tomryan6461 8 ай бұрын

Great demo! Thank you. I was wondering is it possible to manually go into the "other" stems and put the unidentified sounds in the correct stems where possible? The unidentified stems seem to contain a lot of information.

@LanewoodStudios 8 ай бұрын

Not that I'm aware of.

@Superlead1970 4 ай бұрын

Yes, you can select those sounds manually and then ”cut to layer below”. So the first thing you will do is to place the ”correct layer” right below the ”other” layer and then in the ”other” layer select and shift+x (cut to layer below). Very handy.

@LanewoodStudios 4 ай бұрын

Great, thanks for the tip!

@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios 10 ай бұрын

How well do you think that Spectralayers version 10 does vs version 9? Do you feel that the upgrade was worth it... can you tell a notable difference between the two versions for stem separation?

@LanewoodStudios 10 ай бұрын

Well I only used SpectraLayers 8 so far. As I understand it, 8 and 9 did not differ very much regarding stem separation. Both from my own experience and from what I've seen from other people, version 10 is quite a big change in how well this works. It's never perfect of course, and never will be, but isolating Vocals, Bass and Drums is really amazing depending on what you want to use the stems for of course. Like I mentioned in the video.

@fernandoserpa3208 6 ай бұрын

Hi am just starting using spectra layers when I open only shows by default vocal it won’t show other instruments how I can change that anyone can explain that appreciate tks

@LanewoodStudios 6 ай бұрын

I don’t quite understand what you mean because when you open a stereo mix in SpectraLayers you should just hear the full mix. Maybe start with a video on the basics of SpectraLayers. I have one from a while back: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pLt4haWUv5vcmHk.htmlsi=ADOywn997GXseU22

@EcBaPr 10 ай бұрын

nice demonstration... but why did you use the original mix which didnt null ? why not render a new mix out of cubase using the original stems and use that as the source for demixing in spectral layers ?

@LanewoodStudios 10 ай бұрын

Thanks, and yes I thought about that later too 😬.

@trock536 9 ай бұрын

SpectraLayers 10 is a definite improvement over version 9, but it still doesn't match the quality of the stems created by DeMix Pro (I have them both). It's particularly noticeable on piano and guitar stems. Bass tracks are also more well-defined in DeMix. And DeMix also separates backing vocals from the lead vocal.

@LanewoodStudios 9 ай бұрын

Haven’t tried that one yet 😋.

@Orhesarhao Ай бұрын

Afternoon removing the vocal, if I put my own vocal and upload it. Will there be copyright?

@LanewoodStudios Ай бұрын

Yes, the copyright is on the song!

@altonT Ай бұрын

Can you take a stereo drum mix and separate the individual drums?

@LanewoodStudios Ай бұрын

Yes you can split up drums too. Kick, Snare and the rest I believe it was.

@harmoszka500 7 ай бұрын

Cool. But on a laptop...When I listen, it's hard to hear the details.

@LanewoodStudios 7 ай бұрын

Yes I can imagine. For some of these tutorials you probably need to listen on your studio monitors or headphones.

@arupsircar6620 5 ай бұрын

Excellent.. but can u remove reverb n delay from vocal 👍

@arupsircar6620 5 ай бұрын

Dear Sir.. I expected n answer as there's n option to trigger less reverb.. Thnx.

@LanewoodStudios 5 ай бұрын

Yes there is a reverb reduction process in SpectraLayers as well. Have not tried it myself yet though. If I like it, I may make a video about it 😉.

@arupsircar6620 5 ай бұрын

@@LanewoodStudios Thnx Sir..

@urltom 11 ай бұрын

My comments can be found at 13:26

@LanewoodStudios 11 ай бұрын

So we agree :).

@ALLT2023 7 ай бұрын

CAn you record and mix Ur own vocals for any genre in spectral???

@LanewoodStudios 7 ай бұрын

I don’t think I understand your question. What exactly do you want to do?

@fullsoundrecording 10 ай бұрын

How come most all your audio on this end has an underlying distortion to it,I wonder if you sent up your audio just a couple db less if it would go away.

@LanewoodStudios 10 ай бұрын

Not sure. Some tracks have more distortion then others but I don’t hear a general issue. More on the voice or also on the music?