Can you hear it? (with Session Bassist Prime Bass)

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In this video I take a look at a recent bass VSTi that I got as part of ‪@NativeInstruments‬ Komplete 14 called Session Bassist Prime Bass, and try to see if it closes the gap between a real bass guitar and some other highly acclaimed bass virtual instruments.
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Table of Contents:
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00:00 Intro
00:12 Overview
01:08 Prime Bass Instrument
01:49 Playing the Patterns
02:56 Change the playback/sound
03:54 Melody Mode
05:53 Comparing real and virtual bass
08:34 Conclusion
09:46 Outro
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How to tighten a bass track - • Comparing real and vir...
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@LanewoodStudios Жыл бұрын

So what do you think about the various Bass VSTis when compared to a real bass guitar?

@830jkl 2 ай бұрын

I think they come close enough to make a song sound good, does it have to sound exactly like a real bass?, no. I just enjoy them and use them for what they are. 🎹

@markjtapply Жыл бұрын

I've been using this for a few months and it's great! I've been playing bass for almost 50 years. I generally use Vsti's to write parts and then learn them on bass and record them. I think the Steinberg Electric Bass has better articulations but Prime has a great sound. Scarbee Rick bass is pretty good too. It's great to have all these options in my toolbox. Different projects call for different tools.

@LanewoodStudios Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and all the tips 👍

@830jkl 2 ай бұрын

I dig prime bass, I’ve used ez bass for quite a while and really like that too. About to get icon bass today. These things work well for me when I learn how to use them. 🎹

@LanewoodStudios 2 ай бұрын

Great, I haven't checked out Icon bass myself yet.

@830jkl 2 ай бұрын

@@LanewoodStudios I think it’s gonna be a slight level up from prime bass. 🎹

@LanewoodStudios 2 ай бұрын

@@830jkl 👍

@anthonystahl Жыл бұрын

I've been using Modo bass and the Scarbee stuff. This does look intriguing though. Classic Rocker D for Crazy Train! Thanks for the video

@LanewoodStudios Жыл бұрын

Ha ha yes, they were are very much borrowing from the classics sometimes ;).

@PeterBatah Жыл бұрын

I would definitely consider saving up for a new "Real" bass otherwise I would have to go with Wedge Force as the next best choice. Your P bass sounds amazing!

@LanewoodStudios Жыл бұрын

Ha ha really? Ok, I’ll start saving as well then 😉.

@PeterBatah Жыл бұрын

@@LanewoodStudios No need. Clearly, you already own an awesome Bass. You're covered brother.

@LanewoodStudios Жыл бұрын

@@PeterBatah 😎😁

@jrgroberts Жыл бұрын

I get tired of NI updates that add things I won't use. But I might use this bass. I quite like the IK MM basses too.

@LanewoodStudios Жыл бұрын

I don’t know those. I’ll check them out.

@blewsyboy Жыл бұрын

I too liked the NI Prime... I already own Kontakt7, it has some basses (I really like the stand up acoustic bass) I'd be curious to hear a side by side of the Kontakt library basses and Prime. I feel with patience and careful processing, you could get the Prime sound with the Kontakt7 Library basses... wish Prime had a trial period...

@LanewoodStudios Жыл бұрын

Well the big difference of course is the patterns that are part of the NI Prime Bass. But you might not care for those so much if you want to program your own bass lines anyway.

@blewsyboy Жыл бұрын

@@LanewoodStudios So would you say there would be more processing going on under the hood with a VSTi such as Prime vs one included in a package such as Kontakt library? What I'm getting at is I really liked the natural fret sounds and whatnot that I heard from the Prime, and I would hope to be able to recreate that with the instruments I already possess...

@LanewoodStudios Жыл бұрын

@@blewsyboy well I think it’s hard to recreate that part of the sound with the factory default sounds, but I haven’t checked them yet. Do you have control over the fret sounds in there somehow? It’s probably also different bass guitars that are samples/emulated.

@blewsyboy Жыл бұрын

@@LanewoodStudios it has an effects section, and then there's always post processing, try to recreate the fret sounds somehow, then randomize... thanks for your feedback!

@LanewoodStudios Жыл бұрын

@@blewsyboy 👍

@ramspencer5492 Жыл бұрын

Modo Bass is pretty awesome. One of those cases where a modeled instrument doesn't sound artificial. The articulations are tremendous sand the extra sounds are really good.... I've watched a very good bassist being fooled, trying to pick the part he actually played out of a blind A/B test after the mixing engineer carefully programmed his part with Modo bass. That was also some really good, time consuming programming, but it's a really good V.I. have you tried it yet? The latest version. Had good fretless modeling as well.

@LanewoodStudios Жыл бұрын

It’s been mentioned a couple of times so must check it out, which I haven’t done so far no. It does sound like it might not be that quick time saver if a lot of programming is involved. Or does it have moldable patterns as well?

@ramspencer5492 Жыл бұрын

@@LanewoodStudios the extensive programing was to fool the bassist who wrote the part and played it in the song that was listening for the V.I. vs his part.....and was fooled. It sounds good with minimal configuration and some processing. It's not overly hard to set up. Time saver? I don't notice it being slow.... I don't really think of using a V.I. vs bass as a time saver. Can be easier and more intuitive...... therefore quicker to compose using midi and a keyboard vs a bass guitar. A lot of people don't pay bass or have a bass.

@LanewoodStudios Жыл бұрын

@@ramspencer5492 yes that the time saving I meant, while your preproducing or writing. To have a quick bass part without having to setup for recording and all.

@scott7521 Ай бұрын

It's just ok. It sounds extremely processed at times in low and high notes.

@boomfatdaddy 3 ай бұрын

It can be play with downstroke only or alternate strumming?

@LanewoodStudios 3 ай бұрын

I don’t think you can specify whether upstrokes or downstrokes are use for playing with a pick.

@Check-it-out 8 ай бұрын

Goh... Komt zeker uit Holland ?

@LanewoodStudios 8 ай бұрын

Zeker 😉

@robertfreese906 10 ай бұрын

I have the NI prime bass in Komplete 14 and prefer it to my Ibanez 505

@LanewoodStudios 10 ай бұрын

Great 👍

@christophersoulos6100 Жыл бұрын

I prefer the real bass. It's simply faster and groovier. I found, after all these years, those added bells and whistles (meant to fool even a seasoned bassist,) make the effort to record a realistic bass part greater and it always ends up taking a lot longer to make it sound real than it takes to keep recording takes and comping a real bassist. Do I like any of the VSTis your auditioned? Nope. They each had their own range of "doinky".

@LanewoodStudios Жыл бұрын

Thanks for listening. I find that to get a quick bass part for a demo is easier on a vsti than having to setup for recording and all. But I’m not a bass player either 😉.

@christophersoulos6100 Жыл бұрын

@@LanewoodStudios, I do have my favourite VSTis for bass but all the Fender ones never sound as good as a real Fender. It's the way the real thing was built. And the price of, say, a used Squier is well within the reach of 90% of VSTi owners. The DIs and channels to capture them is where the real money goes but the resale for those is always good. I'm a bassist BTW. Cheers!📢

@LanewoodStudios Жыл бұрын

@@christophersoulos6100 👍

@diegoalejo15 Жыл бұрын

I´m a bass player and for me Ample basses are still the best ones

@LanewoodStudios Жыл бұрын

Ah, I have not even heard of that one yet. One more thing to put on my list for checking out. Thanks!

@ramspencer5492 Жыл бұрын

Amble has great sounds ouy of the box.... But with the right processing and careful programming my favorite bands down is Modo Bass. All the articulations are there. And natural transitions. It's a little cold without the right processing though. The tone isn't there out of the box

@LanewoodStudios Жыл бұрын

@@ramspencer5492 thanks for listening and the tips. Do any of those have patterns as well for inspiration or an easy start?

@ramspencer5492 Жыл бұрын

@@LanewoodStudios yeah. There's are patterns. But I don't think comprehensive enough to be best in class. You can mix and match though. Grab patterns from any vst.... Start with something like Scaler. Or play a lick on a guitar, capture midi and drop it an Octive. I don't think EzBass even has that bandmate mode that EZ Keys and Ez drums have. I'm not really a fan of using midi loops for melody.. At least not without heavily modifying them.

@LanewoodStudios Жыл бұрын

@@ramspencer5492 yeah ok fair enough. The patterns can be quite flexible in use and sometimes provide some inspiration and lead you into directions you may not think of.

@TOMIVALEN Жыл бұрын

Trzy Trillian

@LanewoodStudios Жыл бұрын

Yes more people have said that to me. It’s good huh?

@diegoalejo15 Жыл бұрын

@@LanewoodStudios no if you want real bass sound but it has realy amazing synth basses

@LanewoodStudios Жыл бұрын

@@diegoalejo15 ah ok, specifically for synth bass 👍.

@diegoalejo15 Жыл бұрын

@@LanewoodStudios it has all kind of basses but the "real" ones are not as good

@LanewoodStudios Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@frankb5728 Жыл бұрын

They all sound very usable and slightly different. I do find that the real bass has more clarity in the low end, it's a little more defined. The NI bass sounds like midi wavetable from the 90s but then I am biased against NI as I think their Guitar Rig tones are some of the worst in the industry.

@LanewoodStudios Жыл бұрын

Ha ha ok, thanks for listening despite your bias then 😉.

@patogonzalez9057 Жыл бұрын

I'm a bass player. I find the Prime Bass the worst. The note evolution is very artificial. The Wedge Force Keemun is the closest, at least with this bass line. Nothing compares to the real bass IMO, even if it's not tight enough :)

@LanewoodStudios Жыл бұрын

Thanks for listening. The Wedge Force notes do sound most like the real bass to me, it’s just that since there are no additional noises it gets a bit of an artificial sound to me. Too clean.

@ErixSamson Жыл бұрын

totally agree, I'm also a bass player.

@LanewoodStudios Жыл бұрын

@@ErixSamson thanks for your input 🙏

@alanredversangel Жыл бұрын

Its a lot easier to use fake bass than fake guitar in a daw. Sometimes its preferable. I use synth bass live and sometimes i just stay on the keys instead of going back on a real bass for the simple songs. 99.9% of people dont notice or care.

@LanewoodStudios Жыл бұрын

That might be a nice subject for a video actually: guitar VSTis 😉. So even as a bass player you sometimes use virtual basses, interesting. I guess you can tell the difference though 😎.

@alanredversangel Жыл бұрын

@@LanewoodStudios I use virtual bass in early songwriting just because it's easier to rearrange but honestly it sounds great in most cases. If I were to do a rock or funk song I would record, but acoustic/pop stuff I don't think you gain much unless it's really technical. As for playing live I run synth into the bass amp and it sounds huge.

@LanewoodStudios Жыл бұрын

@@alanredversangel yes it’s very nice for pre-production for quickly trying something. And if it sounds good enough ….

@Check-it-out 8 ай бұрын

Prime Bass is a joke ! Reminds me of the first PCs that said 'Soundblaster compatible' sound card. It is just a tiny bit better than the Mario Bros sound samples. EZBass wins hands down with a giant margin !

@LanewoodStudios 8 ай бұрын

Whatever works best for you.

@ErixSamson Жыл бұрын

I'm a bass player. I don't like the sound of EZBass and PrimeBass (this one being the worst). The Wedge is indredibly close to your own bass sound. Trillian have good Bass VSTis, their Chapman Stick sound is just huge.

@LanewoodStudios Жыл бұрын

Thanks for listening. Yes the wedgeforce is the closest when it comes to sound of the actual notes. It just sounds very artificial to me because of the lack of fret noise and such. As for Trilian, I haven’t tried it yet like many of the popular other suggestions in the comments. Mostly Ample and Modo Bass.