So refreshing after the Mogadon that is the GCN recap.

Some of the best analysis not just in cycling but in any sport. Simply superb.

It's not only that, he obviously got some other skills as well. He managed to secure a deal with A.S.O., the organizers of the Tour de France, La Vuelta and many other big races. Kudos to him and A.S.O. for making this possible. If IOC or UCI was owning the rights for these races - we probably would have never seen any of this.

agreed! what's funny is my parents think LR is a super bland commentator who doesn't speak clearly, slurs his words and only cares about nerdy shit.... but for them cycling pretty much begins and ends with the grand tours, so they don't really know shit lmao

@@iansteelmatheson I love LR's stuff, but your parents do have a point. We don't have to see it their way, but there's room in this world for their point of view. They want to follow cycling in a more superficial manner, and that's fine. Also, for listeners like me, who aren't native English speakers, it can be difficult at times to understand what LR is saying. Yesterday, I couldn't make out if he was saying "full vile" or "for Vine" ;)

Zwift Academy was just 2 years ago

only two years ago. makes it even crazier

@@thijsdewit2231 I'm training on Zwift- I believe I have a shot, being only 58yrs old and 93kg 😁

Zwift isn't that old 😁

@@imprezaaudi Ha! You and me both mate :-)

I reckon he'll be fine!

What is his salary? I can only find that he's in his first contract from 21-23. So I guess he will remain underpaid until 2024?

@@Gardener7 Vine gave an interview with Daniel Friebe for the Cycling Podcast. Vine said he’s on the UCI minimum salary but he’ll get a bonus for winning stages.

@@sharonmoller7414 Well he DID talk about getting a Corvette after his first win in this Vuelta, so there is that.

UAE please sign him

Also Remco often goes no-gloves recently. Hirschi/pogacar style

His TT tho 😢

Vine is great and all but he was deliberately given a 42 second gap. When evenepoel decided to attack he ate into the gap, pulling back 27 seconds on a shallow climb where vine had a massive advantage. So, yeah. He's great and all but let's not get ahead of ourselves. He's no GC climber. Yet.

@Dricce what do you mean "it doesn't matter"? How can it not matter if the others literally weren't riding hard for almost a whole minute?

@@ThisIsANameBruh his TT isn't good enough

@@de4ds1ghtcsgo94 he weighs 73 kilos, he can get a decent TT if he tries

The plot thickens

Wouldn’t surprise me! Also Padun and/or Kuss

I wouldn't want to be agent for a personal friend, but who knows.

Took Big Tex 9 years as a pro rider before he could do Jay's 30min wkg power.

I mean uh well aah I well just ...I mean

@@durianriders Back then there was no good trainings sience, No Zwift to train indoors

Yeah, I think they somehow lost track of him, maybe a technical malfunction with his gear?

@RealSweetKid best of luck in your endeavour to secure the king of the mountains title and the remainder of the tour. I am enjoying watching your performance.

This is the most exciting way to win the points jersey

gotta be big favorite for worlds

I’m hoping he wins his second worlds this year!

@@joebearman620 He is not going

@@liamday453 I think the guys on GCN said that he asked to be left off the World's Team.

How so?

@@troycollett8540 probably referring to needing a zwift academy thing for him to even be found, and now he is winning stages at a grand tour and climbing at a world class level.

Is Alex Bogna next?

He was resting the legs for the summit finishes

Didn't want to be a threat to GC so he could ride away from that group without being chased

@@tcookiem well that group stuffed up and paced him to the climb where he torched them up the climb

@@tcookiem OK, but if you see his climbing tempo is on par (or almost on par) with the favourites, one has to wonder how far he could get in GC. Maybe for the next GT...

I think alpecin will recruit climbers to help him

@@troycollett8540 It will be interesting to see how things develop.

Not sure what you’re implying or if you are actually even watching? His stage wins weren’t back to back

@@krissostaric5065 Back to back mountain stages. Not sure if you can read…

He is literally not even close to remco

@@glennh8811 that’s what the antelope said. Let’s wait and see.

I get that feeling too. He seems to be playing the I can barely keep up like carapaz did 2 tdf ago but he'll pounce tonight

Keeping to the animal theme - elephant in the room today (so to speak) was that QS looked stronger than Jumbo. Rog was isolated most (all?) of he last climb. Such a contrast from first few stages.

@@jamiemackay2 yeah it’s a pretty interesting Vuelta so far, plenty more intrigue yet. Helps to have some competition at top of GC

It's one second between consecutive finishers. As long as there's no gap longer than a second, everyone gets the same time as the first one in the group.

Strong disagree. He has the skill set to win many stages without going for GC. Trying to change that skill set to an domestique would be so wasteful and boring

That's not what disagreeing means

I think most people wouldn’t have said before the final climb he’s the favorite to win the stage within the attackers, with the likes Pinot and Soler. People underestimate him in that sense

O’Connor got no love today either, it’s more than I never had video rights for Italian races when hindley has done well. He should fly on Sierra Nevada

Hindley has been invisible this tour so far.

@@grey_fox7 fair point. was half joking anyways. problem is i'm not funny :D

Only in sprint stages. Hilly/mountain stages is 1 second. :)

Well, the stage ruling is determined by the organizers. But remember it's back wheel to front wheel.

Watch out for Hindley.

Maybe he could win a one week race before we put him on Mt Olympus.

you are jumping the gun. Vine is very far from the level of Pogacar, Roglic and Vingegaard. He won two stages from breakway in the vuelta, he still needs to demonstrate he can be there with the best for 3 weeks every day. And then there is the TT...

@fensterfred In what world is Vine gonna make up 32 minutes to move into 7th. Put the kool-aid down, brother !

@fensterfred So you are saying that Vine sgould go for GC at the TDF if X happens - AND then Y happens - And then Z happens. As my daddy used to say, IF a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass all day. BTW, the reason I was slow to respond is because I am coaching a developmental team and we are at a stage race this long weekend.

His TT isn't great but potentially in the future if his form stays the same and he can get the tt setup dialed

"Origins" lmao

@@alexhoffman4302 sorry for my poor English, but please consider the concept and not the form 🙏

He didn’t originate indoors, he originated as a MTB rider, then joined Nero Continental road team, rode in various races in Australia, NZ and the Philippines. He won the Zwift Academy during the pandemic while outdoor races stopped and Australians couldn’t travel internationally.

Yes, I think he's called Wouter in his passport but everyone calls him Wout. I guess?

Yeah Wout is a shorter, more informal (nick)name for Wouter in Dutch

Thank you!!!!

He intentionally lost time in the early stages so he'd be allowed to go in breaks. He lost almost 10 minutes the day before his first stage win.

Stage 5 to Bilbao, he came in almost 10 minutes behind. This put him on 13:01 in GC.

The rule is there have to be 1 full second between two riders to be given a different time. Even in this very stage there are less than 3 sec differences between riders. Eg. 27 HARPER Chris Jumbo-Visma 3:32 28 SÁNCHEZ Luis León Bahrain - Victorious ,, 29 PADUN Mark EF Education-EasyPost 3:34

This means that if there is a group in front of you that has intervals between each rider of less than three seconds, and you loose three seconds to the last of that group, everybody in front of you get the same time as the leader of their group and you get your own time when you cross the line. Let's say rider no 1 finishes first, rider no 2 who finishes one second after, gets same time. Rider no 3 finishes two seconds after leader, one second after previous rider, still in group, gets same time. This continues down to rider no 8 who finishes seven seconds after the leader, within three seconds of the rider in front, and gets the same time. You, however, finish four seconds after the previous rider no 8 and thereby you constitute a new group. You get your own finishing time, 11 seconds after the leader. The gap of more than three seconds cost you 11 seconds on everybody in the group ahead, including rider no 8, four seconds ahead of you. So what's to gain from this rule that looks like J.K. Rowling did math? No exhausted GC contenders sprinting and crashing atop mountains. You just have to stay within the group. The order only matters for bonus seconds if there are any. The only risk is if whoever is in front of you drops their wheel. Let's say you sit behind a domestique who stops pedaling at 150 m, they might make a split. Else, you are OK.

@@andrasszabo1570 I know that this sometimes happen. Timekeepers are of cause not commissaires. I refer to 2.3.040, I can't find a reference for the three seconds constituting a bunch that I was told my my usual timekeeper. Unusually he was also a commissaire so I trust his word to have been correct then. I have not donned a commissaires jacket since 2017, so it might have changed after that.

Haven't seen you in ages my friend

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