Laravel, Django, Next.js ... which framework would I use for building a SaaS?

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Ай бұрын

Building a SaaS (or any web-based project) has never been easier. There are plenty of frameworks and technologies to pick from.
But which one is best? Can the JavaScript ecosystem keep up with Laravel etc?
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@ivanmitkovski04 Ай бұрын

We are waiting for the Laravel course!

@marlonm3108 Ай бұрын

Yes, hopefully they will create...

@astratow Ай бұрын

PHP vanilla is also missing... I agree, laravel or symfony would do well for his portfolio.

@omoyenikunle7909 Ай бұрын

He’s not a PHP dev . I think he’s major is Java script

@astratow Ай бұрын

@@omoyenikunle7909 he is loud on javascript but fluent with php

@rawlespringer3917 Ай бұрын

@@omoyenikunle7909 he has done courses on python..django..flutter and go. So i dont think its out the realm of possibility that he could also do a PHP/Laravel course

@curtmantle7486 Ай бұрын

I'm a professional C# and .NET Developer. I was looking at options for a small business e-commerce website and I've been very impressed with Laravel and Modern PHP. A far cry from PHP c. 2008.

@jiraiyah8941 Ай бұрын

I’m learning C# simply for job security, I work in the Govermnent sector and they love C#, but I also was thinking of building an e-commerce site. I think I’m going to go with GoLang as my backend language, strictly for performance and how cheap it is on the backend.

@simonkalu Ай бұрын

@@jiraiyah8941 I am thinking the same as well. But is Golang cheap on the backend? Could you explain further. I have starting learning it and have gone far

@newstation795 Ай бұрын

@@jiraiyah8941use c#

@NSlides Ай бұрын

Have been working on Next and Laravel simultaneously.. Laravel is 🔥 on the Web based software solutions.

@viniciusm.m.7822 Ай бұрын

PHP and Laravel course, Max??

@astratow Ай бұрын

I did ask... No reply as yet...

@pythonantole9892 Ай бұрын

One major problem with JS is that it is hype and "influencer" based. Adonis does not get the attention it deserves simply because it has no major influencer, it's outside the JS hype cycle. Many times in JS you don't use or build using the best tool you use the one that everybody is mentioning on Twitter.

@mattburgess5697 Ай бұрын

I used Adonis to build a few production systems. It is (IMO) best in class for the JavaScript ecosystem.

@simpingsyndrome Ай бұрын

Adonis didn't get the attention bcuz it's trying to replace PHP in my opinion wkkw

@lardosian Ай бұрын

@@mattburgess5697 Have you used Nest, how do they compare?

@bryptoTips Ай бұрын

This isnt even close to true. Most of the time you’re not using cutting edge or new frameworks because most people actually working in this space use tried and tested tech. These obscure frameworks might be cool but no one is really using them outside of the “influencer” space

@pythonantole9892 Ай бұрын

@@bryptoTips How is a framework/library etc that was released last Tuesday tried and tested? In JS, if you release something shiny today, by next week everybody is looking to migrate to it.

@dedhen Ай бұрын

Laravel Is 🔥

@Dan-re5ss Ай бұрын

After, i could not find a job with react i have tried php and Laravel. This was one of the best experiences i have had!

@destinyefe8996 Ай бұрын

Django has all these things you said about Laravel. I love django ❤

@MrValVet Ай бұрын

Django ❤

@ranjeetthorat1318 Ай бұрын

@max really waiting for laravel course. I see a lot of work for freelancers especially in WordPress , laravel. Also All shared hosting provider support managed hosting of these frameorks unlike javascript ecosystem.

@zaidbintariq427 Ай бұрын

Laravel Daily is a great resource

@junaidkhankhan4260 11 күн бұрын

Laravel and wordpress combination is really great I repent why i left it for the shiny objects like node

@Root4Linux Ай бұрын

Hello Max, First of all, I want to thank you for this amazing video!👍 I agree with you regarding the things that bother me in the JavaScript work environment, especially with Express.js. Most of the time, you're forced to use external libraries, and each of these libraries has its own dependencies. This puts you at the mercy of the developer, who might wake up one morning and change the library structure, forcing you to rewrite your code. Also, there are frequent conflicts during updates, where some libraries work and others don't, which is really exhausting! It's the first time I've heard about the "adonisjs" project. It seems to do everything a developer needs. I really appreciate you mentioning it! Honestly, I'm not sure if this project is stable and suitable for large projects or if it's still under development. Of course, I hope you create a course on this framework "adonisjs." Despite its strange name, it might solve a problem in the JavaScript community by allowing for headache-free programming 😄 Best regards,

@LawrenceChege Ай бұрын

I would really love to see you do a tutorial on NestJS.

@marcuss.abildskov7175 Ай бұрын

No, NestJS sucks ass. He should be looking at Deepkit instead.

@mouctechy Ай бұрын

Laravel my lovely 😍 Framework. I left the MERN Stack because if that fragmentation which suck 😅😅

@reilwaystation4372 17 күн бұрын

Django, alphine, htmx gives me peace of mind from refactoring breaking changes every month

@hipertracker Ай бұрын

Django has all batteries includes. It has everything baked in and a lot of great packages like DRF.

@winns.x Ай бұрын

Hey Max, just wanted to thank you for your old course for Nuxt (2), which was a good start for my Nuxt journey back in a days. 👍Which is still framework of choose for a web for me, Nuxt 3 now ofc. 💪

@rauldinho Ай бұрын

Waiting on that Laravel course!! 🔥

@AsadAli-wi1xs Ай бұрын

Obviously Laravel 🔥

@PhilipAlexanderHassialis Ай бұрын

My answer to that is: "it depends on the composition and strengths of your team". For example, the company I work on right now, is fully committed to using Java as a back end solution. Every project has always at least 2-3 Spring Boot people - and we are heavily pivoting in always using Next as the front end layer. For us, Django or Laravel or anything else simply doesn't cut it - because the company is committed to specific technologies. Heck, even the push for some exploration into Quarkus / Micronaut / Standard JEE (Jakarta) didn't make it far, simply because *such is the company's expertise* . From that point on, the discussion is moot. Now, if you are building a project on your own, the sky is the limit of course.

@rand0mtv660 Ай бұрын

This is the right answer. If your company/team has used a certain stack for last 5 years, you won't all of a sudden migrate for little to no benefit. Because grass might look greener initially on the other side, but once you dive deep into some technology, you will inevitably run into issues or edge cases that you have to solve or work around them. You won't just throw away X years of expertise with a certain technology. Where I work, we use .NET Core for backend and React (mostly Next.js) for frontend and it has served us well. We never considered using Next.js "backend capabilities" because backend team is just really proficient in C# and honestly, .NET Core is just way more capable out of the box for API related stuff. There are some things we like and dislike about the stack, but we would have our pros and cons no matter what stack we used. In the end, we are most productive using this and won't just randomly switch. We of course upgrade the way we do certain things as time goes on, but no major tech stack shifts because of hype or something like that.

@tanjid11 Ай бұрын

One issue with JavaScript is that it's mandatory for web development. While you can choose other languages, you still have to use JavaScript. Previously, I used Laravel, which is an amazing framework. However, as a solo developer, writing in two languages didn't feel efficient. So, I moved fully to Next.js with TypeScript, and using it with tRPC for full-stack type safety has been the best experience I've had. In my opinion, if you are a solo developer or have a small team, TypeScript is the best choice in the long run. Laravel and other MVC frameworks might be easy to start with, but once you have spent some time in the TypeScript ecosystem, you can move faster than with any other tech stack.

@todormarkov2860 Ай бұрын

@@d-ioannidis Laravel Inertia Svelte are a great stack

@scott_itall8638 Ай бұрын

Complete opposite opinion over here, if your a solo dev Laravel is your saving grace! And with Livewire/Volt it’s even better.

@tanjid11 Ай бұрын

@@scott_itall8638 i had the similar opinion before. While Livewire can do the job . If you have to create a modern complex user interactivity and js framework like react will make your life much easier.

@SMOKE3104 Ай бұрын

Some Devs love the JavaScript eco system because of it's modularity. I would even say that because of the competition of other parts like auth and orms are improving the eco system faster then having a Swiss army knife. The problem with a Swiss army knife is that it wouldn't be your first choice to use to cut your stake,

@md.waliullah3.14 Ай бұрын

I love your content. Please consider making a course on AdonisJS.

@TimoTalksTech Ай бұрын

People are seemingly exhausted on anything Javascript and I see a lot of pivoting to php/laravel and Django

@birarakisarap Ай бұрын

Chose Django & Rest Framework with NextJS and never looked back.

@aashayamballi Ай бұрын

Absolutely 💯

@destinyefe8996 Ай бұрын

That stack deserves an award 🏆

@train_xc 5 күн бұрын

I alway choose Django + DRF & Ember

@enic-ma Ай бұрын

The best framework is no framework, levels would say that! Finally, getting the job done is the best framework!

@akashelhance167 Ай бұрын

I think django rest framework DRF with next js is best as django provides admin panel and next js is for SEO

@localLyricsPh Ай бұрын

Waiting for the PHP and Laravel course !!! Hoping to create separate course for PHP and Laravel 💕💕🥳🥳💯💯💯💯

@Maestrotoy Ай бұрын

The true mentor ... This is one that make sense on tech

@mijokristo8754 Ай бұрын

Easy, Rails is the best!

@quizabox Ай бұрын

Symfony is another great php framework

@user-sc2dc4ud7b Ай бұрын

Hi Max, can you refer me to a resource where I can learn how to structure my Nextjs app regarding defining types? LIke I have the form data I send to a server action, which I create a type for and also the response of the server action, which I also create a type for. Also, should I include errors in the action response? Or throw them on the server? If I throw them on the server, is there a way to catch them and present the user with an error message? Thank you.

@IvanRandomDude Ай бұрын

People spend more time debating which framework to use than building things. Here's the thing. If you are good developer you will build awesome things with Vanilla PHP and JQuery (like Levels). But if you are mediocre not even the most batteries included and modern framework will help you.

@umitcelik5508 Ай бұрын

I think like you said that like adonis.js, batteries included, frameworks we need for javascript community. Flexibility is good but after a point it can do more harm than good. In my opinion NestJS is our batteries included backend solution. I wish NextJS had offered a NestJS-like option as a backend solution.

@lardosian Ай бұрын

Why not just use Nest for the backend and Next for the frontend?

@2xxxtrem Ай бұрын

@lardosian: Because then it‘s not batteries included anymore and you are back gluing things together.

@mr_don_key Ай бұрын

what is often ignored, but important on the longer run of the app: upgrading laravel is too wonky, and it goes too fast in release cycles. (lots of breaking changes each version). constrast that to django, which is slower in new releases, and between versions has far less breaking changes over time. (and more documentation on upgrading, in a more concise manner)

@dawizze1 19 күн бұрын

So build SaaS course in laravel hopefully coming soon. Let's go!!!!

@mtin79 Ай бұрын

Used to use next.js but choose “remix run” now every time… never looked back 😊

@alphayowakarindi Ай бұрын

Welcome to Laravel guys! You'll love it 👌

@leojohn6702 Ай бұрын

Do you have a course of hosting nodejs, MySQL using aws?

@scott_itall8638 Ай бұрын

Tried em all, Laravel is the GOAT!

@aronmosha3493 Ай бұрын

Spring boot + Hilla is 🔥

@repotranstech9614 Ай бұрын

Django is suitable for Fintech and e-commerce where I am majorly.

@omoyenikunle7909 Ай бұрын

You can build this with any framework. I prefer laravel

@theanswer1993 Ай бұрын

Angular + Nest.js ❤

@kalist8938 Ай бұрын

I use Rails and I dont care about the hype of internet. With Hotwire i can build SPA like any other language.

@jimmynyasulu7933 Ай бұрын

I find rails so amazing. Once you're into rails you can't consider substituting it with another framework at all. Its simply the best

@rod6722 Ай бұрын

10:33 I haven't built anything with Adonis or Laravel (so take what I say with a grain of salt), but it seems like their solution to that is Inertia. Which enables you to use React (or any other UI library, like Vue or Svelte) on the frontend without having to build an API. That seems like the best of both worlds, as you can build all the same kinds of dynamic UIs you can with something like NextJS, but with a much more mature and cohesive backend.

@alsaamit Ай бұрын

Next course LARAVEL ??

@parrou3 Ай бұрын

Any recommendation for nextjs course please ?

@haryormedayjoshua281 Ай бұрын

Adonis is a great option in JavaScript ecosystem I recently stumbled on and it's amazing and have a lot of features built-in and is just like Laravel but for JS. I don't have to start installing a bunch of libraries or anything.

@tafadzwahodera9052 Ай бұрын

I'm addicted to Laravel l use it even for small project

@brightokoro7073 Ай бұрын

You just nail it

@LinuxForLife Ай бұрын

For blazingly fast backend I personnaly prefer Rust (Axum + SeaORM + ...) . And indeed, Adonis JS is something that deserve more exposure, at first sight.

@MrXperx Ай бұрын

what are you doing in your backend that needs rust?

@train_xc 5 күн бұрын

The slowest decide the speed. For an application, it is not the backend framework but DB & DB Queries

@Thassalocracy Ай бұрын

Maybe one of the reasons why JavaScript devs never really liked AdonisJS is its rigidly organized structure. After all, JavaScript devs do love their daily dose of messy dependencies that constantly get updated or buried in favor of new frameworks that appear every week 😂 Unlike PHP devs who love consistency and structure hence why they love Laravel so much 😉

@junaidkhankhan4260 11 күн бұрын

Yeah that's why I hate js ecosystem its so unstructured

@train_xc 5 күн бұрын

And so the reason Ember is not loved

@webdev_am Ай бұрын

What you think about NextJS, Typescript, Mongo DB?

@pmrebel2733 Ай бұрын

The world is strange. Everyone says php is dead but are all secretly using it.

@dacam29 Ай бұрын

Nest has 65k stars and nobody talks about it, why?

@josealbusneto Ай бұрын

And about Nuxt.js?

@birarakisarap Ай бұрын

Its really good Nuxt3 btw.

@AliFrazK Ай бұрын

How can you ignore the competency of Django.

@phil86_ Ай бұрын

Laravel is great, as well as Spring and NestJS

@rodjenihm Ай бұрын

Spring is great for backend but it really lacks modern frontend capabilities. It is still stuck with 2000s templating.

@DirkZz Ай бұрын

I do wonder if javascript devs know about composer/psr and how with Laravel it is quite easy to extend or replace functionality with other options around.

@tangsi721 18 күн бұрын

just one question: spring boot or laravel?

Ай бұрын

I'll check adonis! I'll give it a chance!

@mohammadheydari6274 Ай бұрын

Hey maximilian :) We love you courses and the way you teach. (from a geography no-one can think of :D "IRAN" ) We love to see your courses on Laravel topic ASAP.

@muhammadufo6023 Ай бұрын

Nest.js & React.js

@eyilachewlema3130 Ай бұрын

Dear maximilian plz prepare a full next js 14 course , please, with greate thanks

@howdy9517 Ай бұрын

The eternal never ending question

@armanamini1450 Ай бұрын

Next js is a pain in the ass

@mattburgess5697 Ай бұрын

IMO the biggest issue is that it’s sold as a replacement for an API rather than a solid Backend-for-framework.

@armanamini1450 Ай бұрын

@@mattburgess5697 they have marketed it as a full-stack framework. and it's nowhere close to that

@rohitjoshi1258 Ай бұрын

Ruby on Rails ❤

@impactsongs Ай бұрын

Very good to see you coments Maximilian, i'm from Brazil and all courses that i have i study with you. For me i Love Laravel and i will never change for any framework out there, i have all the features that i want and of course i need a good JS for the front, so i just choose Vue.js because of the easy sintax. For me is I need SSR? Inertia with Vue.js or Nuxt 3 with Laravel on backend I need only back? Laravel And is just simple as that!

@haniramadhan678 Ай бұрын

I prefer laravel and I don't mind use javascript as well for the frontend. Laravel is just so solid for backend, and for just simple interactivity, I can use alpine and livewire.

@daniel_romero1 Ай бұрын

I would be interested in the adonis course

@InfiniteTwice Ай бұрын

What about NestJS?

@user-co5bp8nq7e Ай бұрын

laravel is best, but vanilla php and symfony is underrated :) in many cases I would pick symfony.

@a7mdbest15 16 күн бұрын

This is the first time I hear about adonisjs

@BeInsNow Ай бұрын

Spring Boot is the best choice 😀

@ehm-wg8pd Ай бұрын

before i watch the video, here is my take the best framework is the one that gives you job and money to support your life / family

@QueeeeenZ Ай бұрын

I like Nuxt (Vue) amazing DX

@halfsmoke Ай бұрын

Adonis is super underrated

@bogaczew Ай бұрын

lavarel is php. it may be problem, introducing new language to stack

@angelocolacicco997 Ай бұрын

are you going to make a laravel course? :) :) :)

@duckhorse2563 Ай бұрын

Use IMO one more time in the comments! I dare you!

@Seekingtruth-mx3ur 26 күн бұрын

The dad from Enico Man is teaching to code too I see

@funnynews341 Ай бұрын

Why not sveltekit?

@jackdanielson1997 Ай бұрын

I don’t understand this take that JS has too many options. You cannot avoid JavaScript if you are working on the web. You will have to make JS choices regardless. The question is do you also want to make Python, Ruby and PHP choices as well? Choosing an ORM for JS is much easier than trying to be good at 2 languages at the same time

@cant_sleeeep Ай бұрын

yeah i dont understand these guys. use java then losers

@iraqinationalist7778 Ай бұрын

Definitely Laravel, for simplicity sake

@msulemvn Ай бұрын

Laravel ist eine Komplettlösung

@cant_sleeeep Ай бұрын

use nuxt

@exvimmer Ай бұрын

My current favorite thing is Go with react or HTMX.

@petruciucur Ай бұрын

LARAVEL

@OneBrighDay Ай бұрын

We need a Qwik course, there are no good ones out there that build real portfolio projects.

@sipocharles9180 Ай бұрын

I would welcome an 🌟 Academind 🌟 Laravel/PHP course, and I reckon there's a good demand for it as well. 😎

@darkogele Ай бұрын

Do a blazor course pls

@cant_sleeeep Ай бұрын

hell nah

@IvanRandomDude Ай бұрын

Why would you want a Blazor course from a person that probably never heard of Blazor?

@bakasenpaidesu Ай бұрын

Waiting for rust course and laravel course!!!!

@pejko89 Ай бұрын

Spring Boot ❤

@sohaibalvi6358 Ай бұрын

Dear max please provide a course on udemy for laravel also updated php and my sql

@shubhamsahuSD Ай бұрын

Laravel with Livewire anytime best combo

@erranbahadurbk Ай бұрын

Nodejs?

@AvionicsDev Ай бұрын

Back to PHP? Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh. Why do I need to learn so many things to do the same things.

@hollycow8171 Ай бұрын

❤ NEXT.JS ❤

@Stephen-kimotho100 Ай бұрын

Javascript is great until you see the php guys(Taylor Otwell) with Lambo

@GGGGGGGGGG96 Ай бұрын

Symfony! :)

@bilimlink Ай бұрын

In the end, it depends 😅

@Faisal-sd5iy Ай бұрын

Waiting Your Opinion For RUST.

@marcuss.abildskov7175 Ай бұрын

What you really should be asking yourself is "How come I don't know about Deepkit?"