NestJS is fantastic!

Yes, Nest Js follow SOLID principle.

Long time React&Express user, Nest made me forget about express in minutes literally. I even got the occasion to use Angular after all the negative content I heard about but man Angular and Nest is a match made in heaven, so productive to work with those two. If you read this and you want to build enterprise grade apps, learn Next you won't go back to express.

I like Nest a lot. Its very similar to Spring Boot (Java), so if you have experience using that, its a no brainer.

same thought here. well said.

But I use express.js for both small, mid-sized and large backends and never face issues that most people describe. I actually use rabbitmq often and kafka less aften. I never face issues most people who don't use it for large scale back-ends describe.

@@abeinevincent5585 Suuure you don't. Have your code reviewed by someone more experienced.

@@nou4605 I actually do use it on a daily. I think the difference comes on experience, just like any other technology, after using it over and over, you get a way of handling everything and including its drawbacks thats why I never have an issue anymore, I use it with typescript often for both small, midsized and large backends,

@@abeinevincent5585 Good engineers can build using pretty much any tool.

@@abeinevincent5585 do you have some public repo for large project using expressjs? Thanks

This video was about Nodejs frameworks and not Java 😊

​​@@ademineshatdid you even understand what he's saying?

​@ademineshat wow... completely missed the point there, didn't ya?

Spring Boot is also my backend solution of choice

What's the value of Quarkus compared to Spring Boot? On an unrelated note, I was considering giving Micronaut a try to compare memory usage, most Java microservices seem to be using a lot more than they should for basic REST APIs

Please stop spreading this misinformation. Express has a middleware / plugin system so its technically a framework. There used to be a separate routing library used by Express, it was called Connect (now it is fully integrated, the same package). Bloated ROR-like frameworks are one extreme case, featureless Express-like frameworks are the other.

It was but now its mess thanks to hooks and vercel 😂

Which is the best then?

@@octane-nn1rk Fiddle with the top 5 most downloaded in that category and pick the one that resonates best with your style. That's the best way I think one can get "the best"

@@programmerjowo agreed, vercel ruined react.

@@octane-nn1rk theres nothing called best, if you're a hobbyist you'd like solid or svelte but if you're looking for a job you're better off with react. And in terms of development/coding, svelte feels faster but svelte lacks a huge ecosystem like react, a good ecosystem means a lot of tools already available and doesn't need you to code it manually. I chose react as a beginner because I wanted to launch an app and a dev mate suggested me react because he knew i was a total beginner and that react has the most tutorials, articles, packages, you name it... available on the internet that I could learn from as i build. So as a starting point, pure react with vite (not nextjs) would be the best starting point because of a lot of tuts, tooling, jobs, etc. After that svelte and other frameworks will almost always feel the same. I learnt svelte in 1 month, vue in 1 and half a month, just by reading a couple of documentation. Also, nextjs is just a combination of react and express, and you basically know half of nextjs if you know react and other half of nextjs if you know express.

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Developers using Ruby on Rails, Django and Laravel use them and live happily ever after.

Really not a troll comment, but I had the opposite experience. Everything in Django felt antiquated or poorly thought out. We constantly had migration conflicts, even on a small team. I couldn’t believe the framework was unable to handle that. Maybe this was user error? Moreover, the DRF wasn’t fun either. Too much magic. Set a serializer class and then add a serializer with specific methods? Gross. Python is a nice language though.

Glad to see a comment on it haha.

The same for me. Symfony is for me the most professional framework for php and i really wonder, why Laravel is so hyped.

@@GGGGGGGGGG96 they just too.lazy to learn symfony and just follow the trend, just like in Js world.

with js* not perfect for really big complex apps between all mainstream languages out there

​@@programmerjowo Laravel has been maintained with far better docs than any other php frameworks including Symphony. I have been using Laravel since 4.2 and all I can say that it's super stable and far easy to upgrade 5-6 year old apps on the framework. Although Laravel is based on top of it, it's also greatly benefited from the popularity of Laravel in the community.

not perfect but it's doable, as long as you know how to manage the hosting/deployment part, manage memory leaks and have a solid monitoring/logging strategy I don't see why js is bad for big projects. The reason I prefer js/ts over PHP is because nowdays, frontends are based on js.. so it's much more efficient to have everything in js.. you don't redo things like data validation etc... yes you can still use things like graphql but in our particular case (small team) having a full js ecosystem makes more sens.

do you think i should use nest js in order to become team lead in future?

I will just use spring boot if I need di or enterprise framework 😂

@@programmerjowo A framework does not justify whether you write quality code or not. It's all on the developer because we can achieve all this with whichever language you wish

OMG this is my comment

adonis is basically one guy taking care of everything. He discontinued v4 before 5 was available and no LTS was warranted. I would avoid it like the plague.

Nestjs is anything but order. Anything written with it is a complete mess.

​@@Patrk38 Why you say that?

@@lukas.santiago because that’s the truth.

@@Patrk38 lmao ok

I'm looking for the answer to this too, did you find an answer?

Somewhat disagree in terms of maintainability. What are the pros of using NestJS over ExpressJS?

Do you actually know that nestjs uses express under the hood? It's just more structured​@@taylorlindoresreeves

You are right, why we add layer to express Js if we want to use simple framework. If we need enterprise framework just use spring boot

React Native

Flutter is a bit faster but got confusing code nesting, Go with React Native with Expo

Flutter is hard to read

@@programmerjowo yep

If your background was related anyhow to React - then def RN. But if they both are new to u, do Flutter then. Flutter is younger but with huge potential, easier to bake first app, more strict. Where React and RN - more liberal, you can have more tools

Yes indeed nextjs can be both but mostly it used for FE development, also as far as i know there are disadvantage when we are using next js for BE

Express. You will learn a lot.

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Express

It takes not more than week to be relatively proficient with Nestjs. And once you learn it there is almost no going back. Anyone coming from Java would love it.

Nestjs is already using express under the hood

​@@rhymerubayet5758 thats what i said :D

So... basically you use it because it was first and still gets the job done? So...yes, you use it because it was early to market.

Yeah, I have been playing with hono. I think I like it.

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i’m pretty sure he must have been payed by fastify to make this video. there is no other explanation

Hey I know reactjs, I haven't worked on nextjs. Can you please tell me for backend what will be used in nextjs? Is it nodejs, expressjs or anything else?

@@razak-attar yeah im wondering too...