Fantastic video, I learned so much so quickly and Im so happy to learn we will see Igor in Persona 6, it wouldnt be the same without him

Another thing to note: when welcoming people to the velvet room Igor usually says “the velvet room,” but in P5 when Yaldaboth welcomes you he says, “my velvet room,” to add on to the alarms going off in veteran players heads the different voice, the lightly different greeting, and the protagonist’s wardrobe change that “Igor” isn’t to be trusted

there's a detail in Persona 2 where one of the residents of the room says he's been in there for [a large, specific number of] nights I did the math on it and iirc it dates back to the late 18th century, counting from the game's release date? I couldn't think of what specifically would've happened in that year that would've drawn a man into the dream, but I've always wondered if it was meaningful

I hope they pick Elizabeth's story back up one day I've been invested on seeing where she goes and what she does for awhile with no even hints that she will be coming back to the series.

Good video, didn't realize Lavenza's outfit was supposed to be a maid. Always thought her design was more a reference to Alice in Wonderland lol. Also very surprising that Igor is always going to be a constant in the series. tbh I thought either Philemon/an older attendant would come back or we'd get an entirely new caretaker of the velvet room altogether in future installments

I've heard a theory based off lore and dlc that the perona 5 velvet room was infact meant to be a jail however it was the protag that was supposed to be the keeper seving out justice and locking away the injust in the cells

"It exists between dream and reality. Between mind and matter." So it's the Twilight Zone? I'm expecting Robert Sterling to be the next Velvet Room Attendant

Elizabeth is my absolute favourite character in the franchise I'd love a Persona game where she's the protagonist and we learn more about the world where we pull Persona's from She'd be the goofiest protagonist ever and I'm all for it

I would love to see Philemon, Belladonna, Nanashi, etc. to make a return one day.

21:22 i head canon jokers velvetroom as a cafe. He is staying at one and its calming

I swear they say somewhere that Philemon created Igor from a doll

All shadows that take on human form (from what I recall) have yellow eyes. I assume that perhaps Igor and the other Velvet Room denizens may actually be shadows.

Thank you for confirming the Twin Peaks thing. I always think it but am surprised newbies never bring it up!

10:00 Nyarly Jumpscare

Love your videos Larrue, always informative and always a good time!

I'd say with the P5's attendant it's most likely the simple representation of "innocence" since he knows he isn't a criminal. So his state of mind is an innocent man being imprisoned wrongfully hence his attendant.

I loved the old Velvet Room dwellers such as Belladonna and Nameless. I actualy find them more intriguing than Igor. I would love to know about their backstories if there were any.

Thanks heaps for the awesome video. It’s also ignited a passion in me to revisit the original Persona games, which I’ve been waiting for a reason to, so very much appreciated!

Amazing job

Fantastic video as usual

I love this so much thank you for this as so many people unsure what it is and just seem like they never really think about it

Amazing video as always, keep up the good work! I never really payed attention to the Velvet Room lore, so this video helps a lot

Holy shit nyarly cameo

This was a really cool video bro. I like how you talked about the devil summoner connections. I'm really curious as to how Persona fits in with the boarder smt multiverse and lore in reference to shadows, the velvet room, sea of souls ect. Like the idea of the different planes of existence and different dimensions. Like would you say persona's sea of souls is equivalent to the Abyss in smt? Or even the metaverse/cognitive world? From what I gather there is like 3-4 planes or dimensions. The real physical world, The metaverse/cognitive space, and the sea of souls/Abyss. I feel like the velvet room is in its own way a 4th dimension since it exists in the in-between. Sea of souls shares similarities to the Abyss. And I feel like boarder SMT generally functions off of the idea of demons and gods existing because of human belief I them. This is similar to all personas coming from the Sea of Souls. The difference between persona and SMT mainline is which plane you meet demons (the real world, or the metaphysical one) on, and how you recruit or form your contracts with them (devil summoner via comp, vs persona user). About the dimensions though, I think demons/persona can exist on any plane, physical, mental, & spiritual. Forming a contract with a persona is just a different method of summoning a demon. Personas are just demons who have formed a personal contact with a user, instead of being forcibly summoned via comp. Actually interestingly enough I think both Nahobino and Demifiend are more similar to persona users in the aspect of them not using a comp, and recruiting party members via contract/negotiation only. I think it's interesting persona users can still hear their persona's voice at times in the real world, and Joker saw Arsene in the real would before actually forming a contact and summoning him. At the end of P5 they could also use their personas in the real world once reality started ro merge. Speaking of cognitive space though, would the Tokyo you live in in SMTV bc considered cognitive space? Like the real Tokyo is a desert wasteland. From what I understood Da'ta is the real world and Tokyo is the preserved space everyone has been living it after it was preserved by YHWY, so wouldn't that make it like a metaverse situation? Is any of the characters ever real? Or are all the real humans dead, and they are just cognitive copies? Or have real humans just actually been trapped in cognitive space? Also SMTV takes place in a post Demifiend killing God ending where he stops the cycle of conception? And that's why the cognitive space of Tokyo is crumbling and they're getting invaded by demons from the outside? There's a lot of questions here. But then again doesn't Nahobino kinda forge a new type of conception? Except YHWY is dead/dispersed??? And there's a power vacuum??? So Nahobino isn't the chosen one, but he's basically in the same position as Demifiend during the conception? Like how much was SMTV trying to copy from nocturne again??? Point being my fan theory is telling me it's all connected. Like every obscure piece of lore from both persona and SMT is intertwined and its just a puzzle. Also note on the velvet room: Did Akechi Goro ever have access or rather a connection to yaldabaoth? I know on some level he was, and was being puppeteered, but was he actually another wilde card, or could have had the potential to be. You could say Loki and Robinhood are two aspects of himself and that's why he had more than one, but Joker also calls for different aspects of himself when he forms new contracts. It's not so dissimilar. Akechi also never had a formal contract with the velvet room, but he did essentially perform fusion if you get his 3rd semester persona. The only thing is the game would not let you switch between them while playing him. But cannonically he could and did switch between Loki and Robin. Also like correct me if I'm wrong,but in P2 they could also have other party members with multiple persona? But it had to be of their same arcana, and only Tatsuya could use different arcana? There's is just a lot of holes and missing information. Maybe Atlus just doesn't care that much about the details? Like each game is still a stand alone, and consistent lore is extra. But idk what do you think, if feel like there's a lot to think about.

One interpretation I’ve heard is that Lavenza is a young girl because Joker was a child who was forced to grow up too fast because of his falsified criminal record.

I'm really interested in the lore behind the Velvet Room and everything it has to do with it. Nice video! pd: I would have also loved if you talked a bit about Jose, from P5R, who even though is not actually confirmed to have anything to do with the Room (if I recall correctly) he has yellow eyes and gray hair, implying some ties between them :P

Cool video! I was just pondering the Velvet Room recently. Larrue, have you considered and is there any evidence to suggest that the attendants represent the Animus/Anima concept from Jung? The fact that Theo is a man sparked this idea in my mind. IIRC correctly, he only appears in the FeMC side of P3P. Maybe they even have yellow eyes because of they are in a similar category as the shadows, being inhuman, spirit beings who are part of the MCs psyche. Morgana kinda throws a wrench in that, but being made in haste and as a guide to humanity generally, is that enough to fudge it and make it work with everything else?

Would you make a video about the "Artificial Persona Users" or you don't think there is much in it?

Very detailed video! Learned a lot!

Cool video. I appreciate the amount of research you put into them.

lavenza is a child to represent the future of humanity Joker is fighting for , some of her personality is also inside Morgana

The Velvet Room is SUUUUUUUUUCH an interesting concept. I would love to figure out like, a way to make a DIY Velvet Room office because it could be anything theoretically! It was a fuCKING C A R! A CAAAAAAAAR!!! tHATS NOT A ROOM BUT STILL COOL AS FUCK!

2:35 And in Persona5 Tactica: it's a train!

20:29 It means he's just like me fr fr

You should watch the first 2 seasons of Twin Peaks and the film Fire Walk With Me. The Persona games make a lot more sense when you do. I watched those before my first Persona game so when I started I was like "Oh shit P4 is just Twin Peaks with JoJo stands" which I love.

"Igor will always be there" Didnt he go away to find out truth about himself after P5 and thats why its only Lavenza in Strikers and Tactica?

Well, actually... (adjusts glasses), Marie is actually Izanami. The Sagiris and Izanami no Okami were different parts of herself.

well this already late to discover but Igor stated that he is a puppet that Philemon created as the Master of the Velvet room and his existence anchor the velvet room as his absence make the realm unstable

I need a version of the velvet room that has Laura Palmer

It's a shame Igor's Japanese voice actor passed away.

I think Philemon was terrified of the cup/old yald, and after the whole Nyarl situation decided maybe direct intervention isn't a good idea anymore.

I always kinda considered Teddie from Persona 4 as a character related to the Velvet Room even though he’s technically a shadow. He does kinda look like the other attendants though. Who knows maybe in P6 he’ll be the attendant.

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23:05 Isn't the Igor in P5 a fake somehow? So if he's going to return will he be more or less compassionate to the protagonist instead of a stoic?

Does that mean in persona 3,4 and 5 whenever the protagonist goes through the blue door they’re just asleep standing up ? So in Persona 3 they only really acknowledge that the first time . I guess the velvet room is further away from the rest of your group but no one goes in to check on him? Tartarus entrance is basically mostly empty circular room with a staircase in the middle and a teleporter to the side. If I seen our leader lose conscious every night or every few minutes or hours he wouldn’t be my leader

Has anyone read Frankenstein? Apparently, the Velvet assistants are all based of characters from the novel. I wanna read it lol

Poor Theodore! Stop bullying him!😢 He deserves better! Anyway! Justice for Theodore and The female main character/FEMC/Kotone!😢

Welcome to the Velvet Room

I hope P6 is just Elizabeth's journey so it finally ends. But also because I love Elizabeth and need more of her.

Is the SMT V documentary cancelled?

finally a room in which curtains are blue for a reason

I know this is probably an unimportant detail, but the comb that Marrie has is a reference to the myth of Izanagi and Izanami. Izanami traveled to the underworld to speak with it's lord in order to make a deal of some kind with him. And when Izanagi eventually followed her down, Izanami said she was fine and to leave without seeing her. However Izanagi lit his COMB on fire to see the true state of his wife, when he saw her she was no more than a decaying corpse, Izanagi fled while being pursued by demons sent by Izanami, where Izanagi sealed the entrance. Izanami swore to kill over 1,000 humans a day, where Izanagi swore to create more than she destroyed. The comb Marrie was gifted was the same comb from this story, and it is a metaphor for seeking the truth, as Izanagi used said comb to find the cruel but true state of his wife in the underworld.

What about Jose tho?

what about Jose?

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Just gonna throw out the guess that Velvet room attendants are shadows. Seeing as the main character's shadow characters have the same eyes. White hair in narrative tends to imply albinoism or a creature of a rare and unnatural nature. So fanfictioning for a bit. A velvet room attendant is a shadow borne from the collective unconsciousness and forcibly shaped into humans but somewhat failing to be complete as they lack a true self. And yet still able to use persona like the wild card as a result.

11:13 Why is it called the black lodge if it's red?

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I was wondering if you were going to mention the Black Lodge at all. I'd love to see a darker Lynchian style persona game.

I never thought Lavenza looked like a maid, I always thought she looked more like a justice as she even carried what looks like a book on the law and has the thigh high boots. She does have the frilly head band, but I still think her outfit looks a bit too flat to be a maid. Plus her being a justice does clash with the protagonist as a vigilante with a sense of personal justice.

Fun Fact: In the novel Frankenstein, Victor did not have a hunchback assistant, did not conduct experiments in a castle, and the monster never had a name. Also, the scientist was not crazy. He was trying to go against the unreasonable constraints the Roman Catholic Church placed/influenced upon science during the time. There is an adaptation of the novel called "Mary Shelly's Frankenstein" that follows the story better versus the weird tangential version made by Hollywood that everyone knows about. It was never released in theaters as far as I know, sadly, only on DVD.

The Phantom Thieves infiltrate palaces, and Lavenza is a maid, so I think that's the connection.

The singing lady is so elegant and sexy through her voice and gives me goth mommy vibes

why is always a contract between the player and the velvet room? i mean it's always asking you to sign a yourself, instead of just giving the MC their canon name. I don't think it's just because "customization".

Igor probably would’ve appeared in every game if his JPN VA didn’t die

The Persona 5's attendant that matches him is a little girl and the velvet room that matches his mind is a prison......................suddenly not sure I want to play as him any more.

So joker is just a lolicon confirmed? So a very op alice run is in character?

P5 protagonist is a phantom thief. Quite literally a criminal. Lavenza pushes that theme and idea even further.

Uhh I'm not sure about that whole evil phone, siloute willy thing I don't wanna fact check that. I PRAY THATS A JOKE PLEASE TELL ME IT'S JUST A JOKE

When do we get a black velvetroom attendant???

I've always loved the first impression of Elizabeth was she's eccentric and it must be because she's otherworldly and unfamiliar with human world customs. But as more Persona games came out with their own attendants and the spinoffs have them interact as siblings, you've come to realize Elizabeth is just a weirdo.