Biggest issue is that Steve doesn’t play smash. And playing against him forces you to play his game.

I'm unemployed.

He has like the best attributes of all the main archetypes; hits like a heavy, disjoint like a swordie, frame data like a brawler, and tools like a trapper. He's broken and there is no denying it.

These clips included to illustrate Steve's moveset do a fantastic job illustrating your points. It actually makes your claims like "Steve has multiple strong ledgetrap options" look like an understatement. This was really well made.

5 S-tier DLC characters and 4 A-tier. This is pay-to-win with better balancing lol.

I wouldn’t care about the blocks at all if minecart wasn’t THE best burst option in the entire game. This thing shouldn’t be allowed to do all the things it does. WHY is it a command grab, projectile, recovery tool, combo starter, projectile blocker, get out of corner free card, on top of being a strong burst option that KILLS. It is INSANE.

Don’t play smash but seeing Steve from Minecraft just molly whopping everyone is gold

Nintendo made steve lore accurate

10:29 Adding to this, it's not just the way Steve stands: his shield is actually glitched. If anything hits Steve's shield, then as long as he holds shield afterward, the shield instantly gets locked into neutral position regardless of how he was angling it. Until he drops shield, he straight up cannot angle it anymore. This means multihit attacks aimed towards the edge of his shield will always poke if they do enough shield damage. Probably the only time this could actually be good for Steve is if the shield was angled in the wrong direction against a multihit not too far off center. Out of the many glitches Steve has, here is one that's actually bad for him.

Imo, everyone hates him (including me) because his risk-reward is not real. His moves give too much reward for how little risk there is using them. His camping is absolutely absurd. Some characters just don't have an answer to block walls. Sometimes it feels like you're fighting an uphill battle the entire match against Steve. If you don't approach him, he's winning. But if you approach him, that's playing his game. So he's winning. Like I said, the risk-reward is NOT real.

It's actually hilarious to look back and realize that in fighter pass 2, fucking SEPHIROTH (a high A tier character) of all people is the least noteworthy character in terms of competitive viability

Steve is literally broken on top of being the best and I'm grateful that enough top players have the integrity and forethought to play characters that adhere the rules of Smash. Steve is "Stage Hazard: the character" and the worst example of JankPass2 failing to go through proper quality control, Ultimate was the best balanced Smash title up to this point. Major props to any TO and locals that are taking the initiative to make the game more enjoyable for themselves.

The worst thing about Steve is that there's no consistent "answer" to him. With how Steve's kit works, he can basically respond and easily adjust to whatever counter-measures you come up with. It's like you finally found a strategy to use in the MU, but because Steve is now using his blocks in a very slightly different, your strategy against him doesn't work anymore. His kit just gives him way too much versatility, leading to a character with effectively no weaknesses for you to exploit

This character has the most insane risk/reward ratio in the game, it's so stupid

Honestly, I only have 2 issues with Steve since I play super casually: The fact blocks can be built in the air and the pop-up when you escape the mine cart. Unlike buries where you can attack or air dodge after coming out, when escaping the mine cart, you pop up a set height and are unable to act for nearly a full second.

You nailed the matchup weakness of his mobility. A Min Min that doesn't approach and loves to retreating attack is deadly because of how much more relevant movement is than frame data against her.

Every move he has is low risk high reward, all of them.

the intro makes me realize how much I miss those Smash Reveal Trailers from the Directs

To put it in 1 sentence. Steve is the only character with tools that true hard counter not just a few mechanics but many including the game itself. Mining just doesn't require enough commitment to the point it is safe to do as a well timed shield will let you punish the enemy. You must punish Steve from a state where you are at disadvantage.

As much as I love Steve, he should be banned, or at least have tournaments without Steve and some with steve. He’s so fun to watch but I can’t lie he’s not healthy for the game.

What sucks is Steve came out at a time when Nintendo/Bandai/Sakurai was close to sunsetting all updates to the game. So by the time players experienced how broken he is, there was not much in the way to get them to balance/nerf him. Least of all, fix his meta-breaking glitches. So the game is forever stuck with this COVID-powered mistake.

I understand Nintendo not wanting to get a team back together to nerf Steve’s whole kit meticulously at this point in time, but they could literally just double the material cost of all his special moves and cut in half the HP of all his tools as a “band-aid fix” and it would probably be enough to balance him without much effort. He’d still be annoying and overtuned, but at least he would be more restrained.

Time to bring back this golden quote. (Banning wobbling is my favorite analogy, because it was a single instance of something breaking the risk reward structure too much. Steve is running up against accusations of being a whole character of near wobbling, putting its hands in the face of these accusations, and going "im not touching you im not touching you".)

I’m so glad Steve is in smash, but I really don’t like using him. It feels like I’m playing a different game.

If Steve did return in a future smash game, he'll be getting the Smash Ult Bayo treatment and heavily nerf him to kingdom come. Although, as someone who play tons of Minecraft and even modded Minecraft, it would make more sense to tweak a majority of his toolkit to accommodate a better representation of his series. Like, instead of infinite mining in a "predetermined order", there should be a limit on how much you mine AND you can't mine anymore if your hotbar is at its limit. Also, it should be easier to have a random percent chance on certain items mined; like gold can be 5% mined and diamond should be a very small 0.01% get. Elytra is fine as it is but should have chip damage depending how much you hit something in acceleration. TNT detention should be minimized for partial shield damage and medium if not shielded. Minecart is hardly used in the game so a better kit is suited. The wooden, stone, iron, gold, and diamond tools are fine as it is but there should be enchantments on said tools. Wooden should be kept as is but very weak and duration last only a few hits. Stone is just a bit stronger but has wood's duration by +2 or +3 extra hits. Iron duration is a bit longer and hits better. Gold should be fast and brittle. Diamond tools should have a bit of an enchantment of that Knockback effect so you couldn't play around him if hit. Finally, blocks. I would say you can only used blocks depending how much of the material you have in the hotbar. You need 9 iron ingots for a block of iron so if you only have 8, no iron block. Anvil should be nerf to mostly a small hit percentage and not killing. Axe needs less swings. Lava bucket is only useful for chip damage. And sword swing should hit by a Knockback with medium percentage taken. If done that as a better representation, then maybe he's doable. Alas, that's not the world we lived in.

Steve: this guy is immortal, can create matter and destroy it, can move at the speed of light, can punch something to oblivion, and now is unbeatable in smash

My biggest issue with Steve is he is not fun to fight at all. It makes me feel like I'm not even playing Smash half the time, and having to play by Steve's rules just makes it much less fun from a competitor and spectator point of view.

Harvesting resources offstage is broken.

The crazy creative bullshit I can accept. It's the point of minecraft, and i can accept him being like that. What I cannot accept is the really good moveset he has, like an unreacrable burst move that turns into a command grab projectile, a front smash that kills at 20%, brawl metaknights upair, absurd combos and so on. If his point is to be creative and use clever tactics to outplay his opponents, why does he have one of the best moves in the entire fucking game?

I miss when Joker was the best character, he actually has a lose condition 😭

i find it hilarious that for a short while, the meta game looked like a minecraft mod, because of everybody playing steve

Knew Steve was broken the moment my anvil saved me from a ending game spike (I bounced off of it) and helped me win the game

Something to note on his shield, because of a glitch he is the only character to not be able to tilt his shield

As HBox says “Steve gets buff every 2 hours” & he meant it

Probably the least fun best character in any smash game. Bayonetta has an argument though. Smash ultimates meta died when Steve came out, we all miss the days where PT, Wolf and Wario were at the top of the meta game

I think steve is a cool design but his numbers are tuned. Theres no reason for diamond f smash or back air to be that strong, same goes for down air and minecart. If diamond back air kills 20% later we have a fair character.

steve is fun on a casual level that most people are on but on tournament obvious controversy

The blocks seriously shouldnt be so hard to destroy considering how much they give him. Even a novice Steve can get resources quickly with that stupid wall of blocks

I like to make the comparison, not just for Steve, but also for Sm4sh Bayo and Brawl Meta Knight, between them and Melee Fox, who is almost as broken as those 3 are and is more dominant than even Brawl MK. Despite that, Fox is considered far from banworthy. The difference, as I perceive it, is that Fox is a really fun character that elevates his game and improves the morale of the playerbase. The other 3, however, are absolutely horrible to fight and actively ruined the game for a lot of players. Really broken characters tend to be fine as long as they’re fun to fight, and unfun characters to fight are usually fine too when they aren’t overwhelmingly powerful. But the 3 banes of their respective games are both super broken and unfun to fight. (This is also a personal thing, but Steve, when optimized to a humanly realistic extent, is more broken than both Brawl MK and Sm4sh Bayo imo. He’s not there yet though so only time will tell how that holds up).

i love steve especially when he's against me because i know all the tricks

I hate to advocate banning characters, but at least Metaknight was fun to watch

i think if people played more characters, then there would be more answers found to play against steve. What if a really underrated mid tier is suddenly really good against steve? Yoshidora prooved that with Yoshi. The meta is heavily on using characters like Aegis, Rob, Cloud, Sonic, etc.

I think its fine to ban a character that people have put hundreds of hours into playing if it invalidates basically the whole cast. Blocks are absurd and ruin the game.

They hate Steve because he is too op..

Remember at the beginning people said that Wolf carried players? Now we have Steve and it's hyper carry.

People before: we need a Microsoft character in smash like minecraft Same people now: we need to ban this character

All they had to do was make it so that he can't place blocks that aren't connected to other blocks or to the stage geometry, just like in regular minecraft. That's really it, at the end of the day. He'd still be busted and a high tier, top 10 easily, but it would have significantly nerfed his recovery and combo game, and slightly nerfed his ability to camp, too. It would have been more accurate to the original game, too! I have no idea what they were thinking, except that they had shitty playtesters who thought he was too weak without the ability to place blocks in the air to recover.

Take a shot for every time you hear the word "blocks"

I truly like Steve and enjoy watching him I feel he's one of the most entertaining characters to watch, but I do understand why people dislike him

10:51 Ay hold up... di... did this man really just take a jab at my boy sephiroth like that!?

People have mentioned this before but it’s so goddamn funny that not only is minecraft Steve in smash, but he’s unfathomably broken and the best character by a wide margin

that’s “plus sephiroth” was so disrespectful man lmfao

I love that you used bomberman hero music for the ad.

Steve can also ledge jump block shield as a fully unpunishable ledge option

This character not being banned for this long entirely justifies all of the years of the smash community being bullied by every other competitive community out there, most of them woudln't even think twice when seeing this atrocity

The era of banning this character is known as “operation Steve-Leave”

10 days passed mining Is lagless now, Steve? broken as always

He's still one of the reasons I don't play Smash Ultimate anymore...

I hate playing against Steve with passion but I ain't gonna lie him being the best character in the game by far and having every comp player seething at the sight of him when he's so fucking goofy also causes me extreme amusement

The #1 thing I would change about Steve in Smash is making Steve unable to place blocks in midair (to make the blocks less op and more game-accurate).

Steves not only op in Minecraft being able to carry more than 200,000,000,000, tons, he’s also op here.

Steve is why competitive smash isn’t fun to watch anymore.

Steve is just too powerful, he is practically in creative mode if you know what your doing with him even a little. The fabric of smash is broken by his existance, dude is a menace to society. No platform, make one. The blocks are just too good, although he wouldnt be nearly as broken if you couldn't use any of the discovered tech in tourney and could only do intended stuff...

At this point wether he deserved to be in the game or not is a pointless discussion. Character won’t be banned because the Smash community is deathly afraid of bans. If we get Ultimate deluxe though? He NEEDS to get gutted and pay for the warcrimes.

I'm sorry but getting edegegard because your opponent is cosplaying donald trump is freaking hilarious minecart though....

This is why Steve is the god of gods not only in his own universe but he instantaneously conquered Smash universe by a pivotal shot making him the god of gods and ultimately the S+ tier rank as a fighter

Steve has always been the embodiment of "Mine" and "Craft" because thats the way he is for his mechanics in mincraft.

I probably did not. The part I do not like about him is that his flight is hard to control, and the only reason I like him is the enderman skin. I expected the final smash to be the wither summoning, but reality gets dissapointing and the REAL one was the creepers in a castle being blown up.

Because he lets bad players beat good players and thats annoying

Challenge: take a shot every time Larry says "block"

Hot take: I like Steve in SSBU.

I was looking to get back into competitive ultimate. I am no longer looking to get back into competitive ultimate

I do wish there was more tournament variety. More circuits with different rulesets. Ban steve makes a lot of sense in hindsight, and I've changed my opinion on it with Steve and Kaz, but I do think there is a lot of merit in banning Fighters Pass 2 outright. Arguably the worst issues with the game come from that swatch of characters, and banning them individually one at a time would make the issues more apparent as the meta shifts.

Steve is a shining example that characters are not created equal or even close. Doesn't make sense to make a game where characters are SO much better than others. Also with Nintendo money why the fuck couldn't we get better online play. It's a fucking money grab.

Steve in Smash is like if a kid designed him; "I know you hit me but I already made a 3-layer wall and full diamond tools and then I can get in the mine cart and go really fast and then I can place blocks in the air (which you can't do in the game only I can do that) and then the blocks I place in the air give me more jumps like I was standing on the ground and then I use a lava bucket to burn you and then I win."

Take a shot every time “blocks” is said

Steve, the man who can hold a multiverse in his pockets, he is literally too OP within and without

Minecart is lowkey a counter that goes across the entire stage

Smash players are understandably not keen on banning characters like they do with stages but maybe the line should be drawn at the character who can build things onto the stage itself.

He deserves to be in but he’s a bit to good ngl 😅

"I lied" into sponsorship segment is a 0-to-death on your watchtime

take a shot everytime he says blocks

Stages with caves of life tend to be banned in tournaments. And Steve can create temporary caves of life on a whim.

To me the worst thing about Steve is how insufferably boring he is to watch and how frustrating he is to play against. I skip tournament videos of Steve because I hate watching him in the game. I SD out of any game where I'm matched against a Steve because whether I win or lose I'm left bored and irritated

I was waiting for Larry's Steve gameplay smh

I wanted Steve in smash for so long but when he got added I still didn’t have a switch, by the time I got one everyone hated Steve so I never played him cause everyone kicked me in arena. I play all low tiers and Steve is my secondary

I dont hate him, he's my Blocky Boi

I want to remind you all of just the sheer amount of “prodigies” that cropped up after steve’s release. There was never a greater density of 15 year old kids beating top level players, all using steve.

Okay but like nobody hates Steve as a character they just hate him as an opponent, every can agree that the detail and care in the references and creativity of his nicest are astounding. I mean I agree he is broken but like that doesn’t mean everyone hates the entire character. But maybe I’m missing the point of the video, I don’t know.

I don't think I would mind Steve as much if he looked cool or if what he was doing was cool. That's something Brawl's Meta Knight has as a redeeming quality. As much as I hated fighting him back then, at least he looked cool doing what he did and actually has a personality.

Whats the ost for the ad?

Steve is just beyond broken and overtuned if only ultimate got another patch

I fell off smash after steve released not because of him just the hroup i played with and friends got busy we still play just not all the time like back then but i remember when i saw his teaser trailer and said he has the potential to be the most broken character that smash has ever seen and everyone told me i was reaching then we saw his kit and i said he is s+ and will never not be s+ and they all told me i didnt know what i was talking about even the semi pro player whoed stop us, and here we are now 😅, like i dont know how anyone thought that giving someone the ability to build platforms in a platform fighter isnt gonna be busted but im just a lowly player. In my opinion steve needs a full rework not a gut to his kit just a full rework to how his kit functions and interacts with his ability to build. It honestly feels like the devs put his building option in and just forgot about it as they worked the rest of the kit and thats why hes so op

You couldn’t just let Seph slide could you Larry 😔 10:51

I think Steve would be a lot better if he was more like Hero or Shulk. Hero ane Shulk don't have access to all of their tools all of the time like Steve does. You have to scroll a menu. Steve would still play pretty much the same but you wouldn't be able to spam your whole kit at the opponent at all times.

Saying everyone is a stretch bruh 😂

I miss the pichu meta

yeah yeah he's broken but cmon, it's MINECRAFT, i'm still shocked how he got added

love to see an underdogs cameo

I miss when joker was the only broken character in the game