Laser 128EX: An Apple //c clone that is better than the real thing

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As a youth, I drooled over the specs of the Laser 128EX and I finally have one. This is my first time taking a look at this wonderful machine and I want to find out everything there is to know about this machine.
Part 1: This part!
Part 2: • Laser 128EX: Proving t...
Part 3: Coming soon
0:00 Intro
2:03 Laser 128EX Specs and what's on the box
18:51 Close look at outside the Laser 128EX and keyboard
29:31 Powering up the Laser 128EX for the first time
32:27 Conclusion and Outro
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@mikaelmrup3196 3 жыл бұрын

You are fortunate to have parents that were able to see the importance of technology and actually spend what was probably a lot of money in those days on equipping you with decent hard ware. Thumbs up to them.

@Michael500ca 3 жыл бұрын

I got my first computer, an Apple IIc that I still have to this day and still works, during summer break in 1985 in the Okanagan region of BC. I was so stoked to finally have my own computer in my own room. That is one of the best memories of my life. Almost 36 years ago now, wow time flies.

@datacipher Жыл бұрын

Lol. Well i still have my 2E from 80’s okanagan as well. On the other hand i had some friends with the laser - big disappointment for them as the occasional game didn’t run properly.

@JustinEmlay 3 жыл бұрын

It's so cool being able to get our hands on stuff now that we could only have dreamed of as kids.

@Starchface 3 жыл бұрын

Many people would later get rid of their old '80s and '90s machines. Obsolete but not yet collectible, who knows how many were lost to the garbage dump? Now that retro-computing has become a legitimate hobby as we relive the glory days, prices of what remains are through the roof.

@albertstadt9853 3 жыл бұрын

My office ran the dispatch for our thrift store operation off of an EX/2 with a big ramdisk box on the side. We used Appleworks to schedule donation pickups. We got it in 1990 and used it until we transitioned to a 386 running Windows 3.1 in 1993.

@dhparadox0974 8 ай бұрын

I used to have a Laser 128 (not an EX) my parents bought for me when I was 12. I think it was $499 and included an Amber monochrome monitor and thermal printer. It was a large ad inside a Computer Shopper magazine. I was over the moon excited when it came and I used it every day. I wrote a lot of my own programs (nothing too complex though). Great to see one of these. Brings back a lot of good memories.

@wbfaulk 2 жыл бұрын

I love how the hero marketing photos on the box have the ports all sitting at odd angles in their housings.

@gallgreg 3 жыл бұрын

I have a Laser 128EX as well, that I got when I started a computer recycling program in 1997 - I love that machine! Some very cool features and was extremely compatible, from my experiences with it... Happy to see you feature it on your channel!

@clintvieira 3 жыл бұрын

Now this was a walk down memory lane. The Laser 128EX was my second computer. I've still got it in storage. It still works as far as I know, although it's been at least a decade since I've turned it on so it's iffy. Nice to see an old friend getting some love. :) BTW, you can hang an expansion card off of the slot on the side as is. They also sold an expansion box that would plug into the slot and give you two slots to plug cards in. That's what the 5 and 7 switches on the bottom are referring to. Oh, and yes, the cracked version of Choplifter ran fine. :)

@bryndaldwyre3099 3 жыл бұрын

I had the original Laser 128. I bought it in 1988 and saved up for it from working at a computer store that had started selling them. What was really funny is we had an Apple rep come into to the store telling us we couldn't advertise it being fully Apple compatible but because I had a huge library(100s) of games for the Apple, I was able to tell him that every single game I had worked perfectly fine. I had a hacked copy of Choplifter and it worked perfectly as well so no idea if the original version worked or not. I loved that machine.

@patrickbetts5504 3 жыл бұрын

Seeing you so hyped about finally using one of the computers you wanted as a kid, put a smile on my face! :)

@spocklodgic 3 жыл бұрын

Felt so exciting takes me back to those old feelings and memorys. Thanks Tech brother.

@robertlawrence9000 3 жыл бұрын

Really cool! I can't wait for part 2!

@darthbukowski6894 3 жыл бұрын

Adrian, I am really enjoying both your channels. Great content.

@airsoftmodels Жыл бұрын

I used the Apple //c as my only computer from 1984 until 1994, in high school and college, so I missed not only the IIgs, Amiga, and Atari ST, but all the IBM compatible computers up until my next computer the Toshiba 1910CS laptop, which was a 486SX. I often wish I had the chance to experience the fascinating alternatives that were available at the time.

@erinwiebe7026 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Adrian for the retrospective on the Laser 128EX. I remember seeing ads for it at the time (and like you, I also had a //c), but I hadn't realized it was made by V-Tech. I worked at a local computer store in the mid 90's where we built our own 'made to order' PC clones and for a time we also sold V-Tech pre-built PC's. I remember the day the store owner walked in and announced that going forward we would be selling them along side our custom PC's. The reaction of the staff was "V-Tech? As in the toy computer company?" We were all somewhat skeptical at first but when the first orders came in, we were impressed by their quality and value-for-money. And I guess our customers were impressed that year too and we sold several dozen that Christmas season (93-94?). I helped prep so many of those PC's in the store's back room!

@cheycheyc 3 жыл бұрын

I think laser was a Dutch company before being bought out by VTech. Retrospector78 did a gr8 video on its history.

@mingohagen 3 жыл бұрын

It was a Dutch company, there's a pretty cringy commercial featuring Katja Schuurman.

@cg8888 3 жыл бұрын

I'm so glad you managed to get your hands on one of these and show it off. I recently acquired a huge collection of vintage computers, and among the collection was an Apple IIc (with LCD!), a Laser 128EX, and a 128EX/2. When I first saw these, I mistakenly thought they were Laser XTs, and didn't even realize they were Apple IIe/IIc clones. Very fascinating dive into the 128EX. Thanks!

@winstonsmith478 3 жыл бұрын

That case has an Atari ST styling, especially from the side.

@ErraticPT 3 жыл бұрын

Looks more like an Atari 65/130XE.

@UKMrFoxy 3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the exact same thing. Looks like my 65XE

@xXTheoLinuxXx 3 жыл бұрын

@@ErraticPT The XE line is shaped after the ST. So it makes some sense :)

@vgaglory4555 3 жыл бұрын

Glad you pointed this out, was the first thing I thought of, reminded me of my old Atari ST

@HolgerT 3 жыл бұрын

That was my first thought! Had an Atari 1040 ST.

@soundfluxsoundflux8603 3 жыл бұрын

I was a teenager when i first saw the adds for this. I had to do a lot of arm bending and pleading to get it. It was mail order and with shipping it was $415. Mine was the Laser 128. I also got the expansion box because internal modems were cheaper then the external. About 6 months ago I was cleaning my basement and pulled it out after about 20 years, plugged it in and started playing Ultima 4. The modem still fires up and every thing works. They may have been a clone company but the reliability was way better then apple.

@pauldunecat 3 жыл бұрын

I can still see the Apple Iic commercial in my mind where it was controlling a high rise building, and the narrator said it was powerful enough to run the whole thing, as the lights get turned off. And then I hear "Apple II forever" and that brings an even bigger chuckle. Thanks Adrian for the channel, good times every posting on both channels! :-D

@xqqqme 3 жыл бұрын

I, too, had a IIc...and I, too, remember that commercial. Then, at the time, someone had to blow it all for me by noting that office tower lights, elevators, HVAC and other stuff just needed switches...and it didn't take all that much power to set a switch!

@brianh2771 3 жыл бұрын

I also have one of these. I installed the expansion RAM, works great. Also works great with the Apple 3.5 Drive just as with the IIGS and Classic Mac.

@scelbi8h 3 жыл бұрын

Oh this video comes just in time. I purchased one in eBay 5 years ago and I only used it once to check if it worked. Yesterday I took it out of storage, and started looking for information about the RAM chips needed to upgrade the card. I can't wait for the next video on this machine, I'm sure it's going to be very helpful for me :)

@BigBud69 3 жыл бұрын

I have a base Laser 128 and it has the same vents on top as your 128 EX. Can't wait to see how the thing comes apart because mine needs retro-brighted badly. There was no video of someone taking one of these apart so you'll be the first! Can't wait for next week's part 2!

@parrottm76262 3 жыл бұрын

Almost bought one of those when it first came out. Really looking forward to another video on this machine.

@mattparker9726 3 жыл бұрын

Great, now I want ANOTHER retro machine. Thanks, Adrian.

@gaminawulfsdottir3253 Жыл бұрын

My first computer wass a Laser 128. This really takes me back. I taught myself AppleBASIC on it... because I didn't have anything else to run on it.

@Havanacuba1985 3 жыл бұрын

That IIc setup you had with that little monitor is so awesome

@tigheklory 3 жыл бұрын

This video was such a tease. Hopefully part 2 will show the full Monty.

@MaidenAriana 3 жыл бұрын

It is so funny you posted this today :) I had the Laser 128 (not the EX) when I was younger but we eventually gave it to an extended family member who did not have a computer. I just finally purchased one again for my collection and it arrived this week. The Vic-20 was actually my first computer but this was my first Apple related machine. It worked extremely well and I fondly remember playing the Bard's Tale and Kings Quest games on it along with writing programs for fun. I also remember explaining over and over again why it was actually better than the Apple to my friends.

@Feenicks01 3 жыл бұрын

I remember my best friend at school got a Laser branded 286 PC clone, man it brings back memories seeing that logo again!

@lepompier132 3 жыл бұрын

Adrian, that was also one computer that catch my eyes ate the time, the first computer that touche and learn to program on it was an Apple II. When the Laser 128 came out that was one clone Apple computer I wanted at the time and even more when the Laser 128EX was out. But along the way I learn to use the IBM PC & IBM PC/XT and for school use I ended up with a clone IBM PC/AT from Ogivar from the Montreal area, they were one of the few that designed their own motherboard and inhouse PSU/and tower case build called the "OGIVAR Panama System V". And the amzing thing is I still have that computer system. The 80's and the early 90's were unique in clone PC design. I remember also outside of the Laser 128EX, at the time if I had the budget, I would got the Apple //e that would gave the opportunity to upgrade to the //gs. but my parents budget could not help to give wnat I wanted for computer hardware. But I still loved that period, I learn to program in Turbo Pascal on and Apple II plus with a real CPM card in itway before I touche an IBM PC clone. Your channel does bring back a lot of good memory. And maybe I should restore some of the computers I still have in storage.

@Colin_Ames 3 жыл бұрын

Nice find!

@stevenbell8971 3 жыл бұрын

As usual Adrian excellent work

@davidorama6690 3 жыл бұрын

I’m as excited about the box as you are.

@mikeuk666 3 жыл бұрын

shame the other cry babies in chat here are not the same 👍🏻

@michaelmullett7327 3 жыл бұрын

I really liked this video and would love to see more like it!

@Psychlist1972 3 жыл бұрын

My high school had purchased a whole classroom full of these for the intro to computing class in the 80s. Not sure if they were the ex version, though.

@chrisbalfour466 3 жыл бұрын

That's impressive. My elementary school in 1988 had a computer room full of Apple IIgs computers. Just for Number Munchers and Oregon Trail, as far as I know. The instructor had all the computers powered from a switched outlet, and at the end of each class period would cut power to all the computers. That couldn't have been good for them, in hindsight.

@kirbyyasha 3 жыл бұрын

@@chrisbalfour466 Yeah but when you walked in, and all those machines powered up at once. It was an amazing sound.

@zeropointzer0 3 жыл бұрын

My elementary school in the early 90s had one single PC - for the secretary. And my "high school" had some ancient XTs from the mid 1980s with B/W monitors and no HDD until around 1995 when they finally were replaced with 486s (MS-DOS). But they weren't used much because "computers" and "school" didn't mix well at all in Germany in the 90s (and beyond).

@rasz 3 жыл бұрын

@@zeropointzer0 mmm Germany, land of FAXes and typewriters :) My secondary school in Poland converted woodworking shop to computer lab in 1993. 286es with EGA and HDD. We learned DOS basics, then Boolean logic, and finally Turbo Pascal.

@zeropointzer0 3 жыл бұрын

@@rasz But just those good old 100% mechanical typewriters, not this fancy new electric stuff that you need to plug in! We're very open to new technology...as long as it has been approved for at least 50 years! 😅 In school we used Turbo Pascal too - in 9th grade, one math lesson per week was sacrificed for "Informatik" (computer science). It didn't have much to do with CS though, the math teacher (who didn't know shit about programming...or computers in general for that matter) took a fat TP book and copied code from it to the blackboard (while making a gazillion mistakes of course) and tried to explain what that code was doing...the nerd corner in the classroom then told him. 😎

@Choralone422 3 жыл бұрын

Those machines bring back memories! I learned how to type on a Laser 128 in school when I was in 7th grade. I can't remember the name of the typing program we used but I do remember getting to play Oregon Trail as a bonus for finishing my work early in class!

@LegoTux 3 жыл бұрын

I remember seeing those at Sears, Service Merchendise, and other general retailers back in the 80s.

@ajgelado 3 жыл бұрын

A small comment on 3 ½" drive support on the IIc (and maybe the 128EX too). All IIcs (except the very early, ROM version FF) support SmartPort, which enables them to use SmartPort 3 ½" drives. These are different from Macintosh 3 ½" drives, which need an “eject” signal on the port. In fact, including that signal in the port is what causes a Macintosh drive to die if connected to an Apple II. Also, SmartPort was way faster than Commodore’s IEEE-488, because it was designed so that the IIc could support an external hard drive (and thus allowed sustained transfers of 24-32 kB/s, vs. 8 kB/s on a Disk II or about 2 kB/s on a Commodore 1541). Commodore’s IEEE-488 was an old interface designed in the 60s by HP for controlling laboratory equipment (really!) and was not well suited for high speed devices such as disk drives. It was included in the PET because it was quite common in the 70s, and then carried on to every 8-bit Commodore computer.

@kaitlyn__L 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, HP. (Though I guess they had no way of knowing it would be used inappropriately longly…)

@jordanhazen7761 3 жыл бұрын

@@kaitlyn__L HP themselves kept this IEEE-488 port (aka HP-IB) on their UNIX workstations and other machines for many years to follow, and used it for hard drives, streaming tape drives, floppy drives, and other storage devices beyond the original lab instrumentation role. At school we had one freestanding HP 600MB hard drive nearly the size of a washing machine, using that same interface. IEEE-488 on these computers it seemed to operate at about half the speed of first-generation SCSI. Some implementations were probably faster than others, though. I never used it on a Commodore.

@kaitlyn__L 3 жыл бұрын

@@jordanhazen7761 that’s cool to know. I do like a lot of their older machines, such as those shown off on CuriousMarc.

@SteveMorton 3 жыл бұрын

If my memory is correct, Central Point Software produced PC Tools for Dos and eventually Windows. If was my preferred software for all the DOS machines at work, I was sent some complementary copies of PC Tools as we used to order quite a few copies of it when ever we were getting new machines.

@Peter_S_ 3 жыл бұрын

I had one with the expansion box which was a really cheap folded sheet metal enclosure with a small switching supply in it and a couple slots. It was NOT just a passive passthrough IIRC. I remember lots of sloppy hot glue inside around what looked like a hand wound inductor. The speeds are from faster memory being available. The Apple ][ ran the DRAM at 2MHz and gave every other cycle to the video circuits resulting in the 1MHz CPU speed. By using dedicated video RAM and freeing the main memory you can unlock that access time and now base system timing on the video timing rather than the DRAM timing restrictions of 1977. The 2.3MHz is actually 2.386MHz which is 2/3 of the color sync frequency and the 3.6 is of course the 3.579545MHz NTSC burst frequency. They could have provided 1.193MHz too, but there's no use when you already have 1MHz mode which is needed for compatibility with disk drives.

@kaitlyn__L 3 жыл бұрын

I can just imagine: “moom, do I choose 1 or 1.2?” or maybe more likely “it’s not woooorking” if there had been a 1.2 and messed with the disk drives.

@flaturiah 3 жыл бұрын

Whoa wait, I'm actually early to the (presumably) public release. Good seeing you, Adrian!

@pickronk 3 жыл бұрын

I would visit my friend when I was a kid and he had one, we loved it!! Better than my Apple IIe - wasn't completely compatible but mostly

@williamsteele 3 жыл бұрын

Adrian, the switch on the back is for the keyboard... normal or the alternate... just like the Keyboard button on the IIc. Also, the expansion slot was later changed to use the external case to prevent accidently unplugging the card while it was running, which could damage the machine. It used a ribbon cable between the computer and the expansion box to allow them to move without the risk of pulling it out.

@amyworrall9246 3 жыл бұрын

You can totally plug expansion cards when the computer is running! www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Scrooge_McDuck.txt

@williamsteele 3 жыл бұрын

@@amyworrall9246 Well, just read it... you must be very lucky and fast to do it correctly. That's not something a company would rely on when doing it wrong just one time can destroy the machine.

@dionelr 3 жыл бұрын

The Laser 123EX was my first computer when I was younger. I don’t exactly remember what year it was, but we definitely went to a store to buy it. The speed is adjustable using keyboard commands. I seem to recall if you hold the number 2 key and then press control+reset, the machine beeps and the speed adjusts to that 2.3 speed. Same with the number 3 (to get the 3.6 speed). So many good memories playing old games and programming in basic.

@commandtheline 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome these were a staple of my elementary school days right around second to 5th grade

@trafrellik7350 3 жыл бұрын

The 192k ram made absolute sense the moment they said 3.6 MHz. The architecture split the clock for memory access between CPU and video, so by handing the video memory to a separate bank you can now spend all the clock cycles on the CPU and let a dedicated chip deal with video memory access (probably through banking, which also explains why it would be more than an 2k, 8k or 16 k range - which corresponds to the "modified" video modes on the //+).

@anotheruser9876 3 жыл бұрын

Funny to see the Brother PT80 in the background. I found one at Value Village the other day for CDN$8.95.

@tenminutetokyo2643 Жыл бұрын

I later worked with someone from Central Point in Silicon Valley in the late 90's. All the small utility companies back then were cool.

@mikekinasz 3 жыл бұрын

I have a LASER 128 (non EX) and am really looking forward to seeing how I might be able to use the RGB! Looking forward to next video.

@joshuamacdonald4913 3 жыл бұрын

This is on my list. I would love to find one.

@Rodville 3 жыл бұрын

The Laser 128EX was my first ever computer. I had to pay for it myself so that meant every weekend mowing lawns in South Florida heat for a few years to pay back my mom for it. It came with the computer, Amber monitor, and a dot matrix printer.

@stevesether 3 жыл бұрын

Almost 30 years ago I remember having a conversation with a friend of mine, and his father about the Apple II line. In the 80s I was a Commodore kid and had a 64, and later a 128. They had an Apple IIc. At this point (early to mid 90s) my friend and I had both gotten Amigas, and the father had moved on to the PC world, so this was more like a look back at the (recent) past than it was about what computer to buy, since by then the Apple II line was all but dead. I didn't know a huge amount about all the Apple II line, so I asked them what the best Apple II was. They argued for the Apple IIc because it had everything you'd ever want, and was portable. I argued for the IIe, since it had expansion slots. That was the one thing I always missed about the C64/128, lack of expandability. Sure, it had some RAM expansion slots used by GEOS, but for the most part most software never took advantage of it. The Amiga had an expansion slot (which I had already bought a HD and more memory for by then), so in my mind expansion was just absolutely necessary. Now, almost 30 years later I realize that the best Apple II machine wasn't made by Apple, it was made by VTech!

@tommyovesen 3 жыл бұрын

Great video Adrian. I have a Laser 200 machine in my collection That was my first machine back in 82-83. I learnt programming basic on that before I went over to the C64.

@tenmillionvolts 3 жыл бұрын

When he said vtech laser, I thought that's familiar... Here in New Zealand, they were called the VZ200. Our main electronics shop sold them for years

@Edricofifrit 3 жыл бұрын

Dude! I had one of these back in 1987, little 7 year old me played a LOT of Solo Flight on it, and Loved keeping my mom awake with Print Shop and the noisy printer. That's awesome!. Also had a Commodore 64 and a Spartan something or other that made it run Apple stuff.

@RetroPCUser Жыл бұрын

I'm getting a Laser 128 soon. I just need to wait for it to arrive, check the system for issues, and do some testing and hope the drive has a 100% aligned head.

@piconano 3 жыл бұрын

I think Atari got inspired by the 3 slanted keys on the apple IIC, and went nuts on the Atari 512ST's function-key design.

@mancavehobbies6213 3 жыл бұрын

Awwwwww diddy Adrian ...LOVE THE OLD VOLVO IN THE BACKGROUND ....

@jimcompton4587 3 жыл бұрын

I think that's an 140 wagon

@Obie327 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Adrian!, I was one of the lucky ones to purchase my Laser 128ex at Sears. I never actually owned an Apple 2 C/E, Or GS just played with them in school or library. Since I had a huge collection of games and apps already... I saw that Sears had an Apple clone and bought one later on when I had some money. (clearance sale) Sadly my Laser was put in the garage when I moved away and was broken when I returned from out of state. (sad) Love to see a further software and internal dive into this beloved computer. Thanks again for the video! P.S. I would thoroughly enjoy hearing some classical music played through it's speaker system.

@MightyJabbasCollection 3 жыл бұрын

The first computer that was completely mine, rather than being a family computer, was a Laser 128 (not sure of the exact model). I must have been 12 or 13 years old at that point. I'm sure my parents got it because it was cheaper than the Apple Iic, but it worked pretty well even after I spilled coffee in it at one point. I also had a Laser-branded printer which was a crappy thermal paper printer. I remember one day my friend's mother said something along the lines of, "I hear you have a laser printer!" (which would have been very expensive at the time). I was like, "uh, yeah..."

@souta95 3 жыл бұрын

My 3rd grade teacher had one of these in her classroom in the mid-90's. I remember playing Word Muncher and Number Muncher along with Oregon Trail, but Oregon trail had a bad spot on the disk and I never was able to finish it.

@dennisp.2147 3 жыл бұрын

Laser made a very similar form factor machine that was a PC XT clone. As well as a standard looking XT desktop machine.

@desiv1170 3 жыл бұрын

Great vid. Always loved the Laser 128 series... That said, what interested me most in this video... Cricket Sound Box for the //c? Never heard about that!!! Interesting!!!

@adriansdigitalbasement 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah it had limited support but was the Mockingboard over serial. It did work and I loved it!

@braddl9442 3 жыл бұрын

Half the video was just the box, you could feel the kid that prob looked at that thing in mags and the stores come out. I remember the days that packaging used to get me excited like that

@danilko1 3 жыл бұрын

This was me. When you can't have one, you obsessed over the specs and adverts. Then life kicks in. Those moments however are burned in.

@smeezekitty 2 жыл бұрын

7:30 "We're gonna test that" _Happy ProjectFarm noises_

@ultrametric9317 3 жыл бұрын

Look at all that retro hair! I had retro hair too! I started upgrading to skin when I was about 23! :)

@cee128d 3 жыл бұрын

Had a former co-worker give me his old 128EX and an original 128 about 20 years ago. Also had one of their IBM XT clones that had a similar look.

@ninoporcino5790 3 жыл бұрын

the name of the company is Video Technology, "VTech" is the logo but also an abbreviation/alias name. Before 1985 VTech did reverse-engine the Apple disk drive, porting its floppy disc GCR format from 6502 to Z80; they added it to their "Laser 500" home computer line. In that period they were also producing their own VLSI chips, so along with knowledge of Apple technology they decided to make an Apple IIc/e clone. Our local Laser Computer Club had one Laser 128 and I remember using it for a short time.

@rickydoingtech 2 жыл бұрын

I didn't know that vtech made any more computers other than the laser 200 and laser 300, makes me interested in getting one of these ☺️ Awesome video and educational as always, thank you for your content

@WildaBeast 3 жыл бұрын

I love these old Apple // vidoes. I used the Apple //e, //c and Laser 128/128EX a lot growing up and they were all great machines but I would avoid using the Laser 128/128EX machines when possible due to the cheap keyboards. The Apple //c keyboard is still one of my all time favorites.

@StuBonham 3 жыл бұрын

As a young home computer hobbyist, Apple stuff was well out of my price bracket. Its interesting to see what I was missing!

@sjn7220 3 жыл бұрын

My first computer was a Laser128 (non-EX version). Bought it from a catalog in 1988 with a monitor, printer, and 2nd disk drive way cheaper than any Apple II sold at the time (I think around $1000-$1200 total at the time). Over time some of the keys on the keyboard stopped working or worked intermittently and I eventually donated it. I remember running AppleWorks with the Beagle Bros. add-on to print in all sorts of different fonts. Eventually bought a 1200 baud modem to dial into bulletin boards. Fond days.

@brzzzaaaPP 3 жыл бұрын

The STD/ALT keyboard switch was to change the key layout from standard QWERTY to Dvorak. If you looked at your Apple //c, it had this switch on top along with the 40/80 column switch. The idea of the Dvorak layout was if you learned it, it would make you faster at typing if you were right-handed. The split between normal English language was like 55% right handed characters to 45% left-handed. Contrast this with QWERTY where the left hand hit 73% to 27% of characters on the right hand. This is an odd anachronism of typewriters; the idea was originally meant to SLOW DOWN the typist as the original Sholes typewriter (and many subsequent until the invention of the IBM Selectric typewriter) had the characters pound the paper on the roller with a swinging hammer of sorts. What would happen if the typist was too fast would result in collisions of these hammers where the new letter was swinging forward and would tangle with the returning previous character's hammer and the device would end up jammed until manually freed by the user or in extreme circumstances, a repair technician. Dvorak was meant as a way to break from this anomolous anachronism but never really caught on as all secretarial schools still taught QWERTY in their keyboarding classes.

@galamoonretrogaming 3 жыл бұрын

Nice machine !

@christianlingurar7085 3 жыл бұрын

I understand you, I totally understand you :-) I didn't even dare to dream of this machine, but I knew it. I DID dare to dream of a IIc with LCD, but it was far out of reach

@AlphaFox78 3 жыл бұрын

I had that same Hayes 2400 baud modem as a kid! My parents used it to auto dial phone numbers but when they replaced it I got it. much fast.

@jordanhazen7761 3 жыл бұрын

Regarding the usefulness of an 128EX/2's 3.5" floppy drive option, though you probably wouldn't want one as your only drive, keep in mind that these were double-sided and stored 800K, just like Macs of the same period, which was about 5.7 times the capacity of Apple's 5.25" Disk II format-- far more of a relative capacity gain than on a PC. With the compact size of most Apple software, these could almost serve the role of little removable hard drives, or Syquest/ZIP cartridges from a later era. I found this among the most useful features of my Laser, but did keep the 5.25" external drive from the Apple //c I'd upgraded from, which became Slot 6, Drive 1 (the internal 3.5" was S7D1) and was used mainly for self-booting games (though some could be coerced into running from 3.5" under a patched DOS 3.3, which saw the drive as two volumes of 400K - largest addressable disk size under that OS, I believe). I don't know if Laser ever supported multiple, daisy-chained external floppies like a //GS.

@SimonJ57 3 жыл бұрын

The 8-bit guy has reviewed two Laser products. The Laser 50 and the Laser Compact XT. The Compact XT looks similar with the same vent design on the top. Anyone else think it's hypocritical that Vtech machines tend to be proprietary, not that you'd want to clone most of their machines, but they went ahead and cloned a freaking Apple machine?

@kaitlyn__L 3 жыл бұрын

It may be hypocritical, but it’s entirely normal for companies to clone what they can while locking down their own work. One might say basically all companies are hypocritical.

@rarbiart 3 жыл бұрын

i remember a Laser(?) which was able to start in 3 different modes: Apple][, CP/M or MS-DOS. I can't find the exact model, but that had been my dream machine of the early 1980ies.

@MrAlan1828 3 жыл бұрын

Wish I had a Laser 128EX vs Apple IIC, fast forward to April 2023 I got them both

@cs121287 3 жыл бұрын

Wow Northbrook is only a few miles away from me. Amazing how much tech and candy were from the suburbs of Chicago!

@Bakamoichigei 2 жыл бұрын

0:32 Ghostbusters! I played the absolute hell out of that on the Apple! :D

@superviewer 3 жыл бұрын

Great, thanks :)

@richardbrobeck2384 3 жыл бұрын

I remember that clone I have Apple C2 it was my first computer I was lucky to have the color monitor !

@maxxdahl6062 3 жыл бұрын

Never had an Apple IIc myself, but my aunt did. She also had the original Mac. My household went C64 then went with IBM clones after.

@RomeoG39 3 жыл бұрын

I loved my IIc. But I do remember drooling over all of the home computer magazine ads for other computers, expansions, peripherals, etc...

@Angellmbrr 3 жыл бұрын

How 18 mins reading just an old computer box can be interesting/entertaining? That's why I'm subscribed to this channel hahaha!

@mikeuk666 3 жыл бұрын

it's a shame there are cry babies complaining about it in the comments though 👍🏻

@erichkohl9317 3 жыл бұрын

In junior high my friend Mike got one of these, and I had an Apple //e, so we finally were able to share some computer experiences together.

@guyfellows2293 3 жыл бұрын

the EX/2 remembers date and time and port settings. on the ex you had to set them each time. Also the EX/2 will let you chose which slot to boot from.

@BestSpatula 3 жыл бұрын

At last, a KZfaq video about my first childhood computer. I hope you get to the RGB functionality on this machine. I'm curious about the pinout.

@Lachlant1984 3 жыл бұрын

I grew up with some VTECH toys and so I have a soft spot for them, I personally wouldn't call them junkie. I'm pretty sure these Laser branded computers were made by VTECH themselves and not by another company then bought by VTech. VTech did also make IBM compatible PCs also sold under the Laser name, and I understand these were quite popular in Europe.

@memsom 3 жыл бұрын

VTech made all kinds of crazy stuff. The VTech Helio was a Palm Pilot rip off, including VT-OS, a complete OS that was very PalmOS like.

@leonardochiruzzi7642 3 жыл бұрын

The little Adrian !!

@pd8559 3 жыл бұрын

2nd computer for me (TI/994a 1st) finally I beat Adrian! Oh snap! Wait a minute now I feel very old 🤣😭

@misterhat5823 3 жыл бұрын

That was my first computer.

@kaitlyn__L 3 жыл бұрын

I’m such a baby, my first computer was a 1999 generic-ish Pentium 3. But to this day, I still miss how tactile and clicky that power button was.

@BFLmouse 3 жыл бұрын

The Apple II computers checked for a boot device starting in slot 7 and working down the slots until a disk device was found. If you put an external drive controller in slot 7, that would be found before the internal drive controller, so the computer would boot from the external drive. I had a SCSI card in slot 7 of my computer so my IIe would boot from the hard drive instead of the floppy drive. Alternatively, putting the external controller in slot 5 would make the Apple boot from the internal floppy drive, but still leave the external drive available for use.

@joseph9770 3 жыл бұрын

One of my first machines was a Franklin Ace 1200. I traded it for one of these at a Apple users group and used it for quite a bit until I got my first PC. The Franklin was big and clunky and the Laser had a more modern look to it so I was happy. The only thing I didn't like was the keyboard.

@buttguy 3 жыл бұрын

I'd love a complete collection of all the Laser machines, or really any of them at all. Interesting to me that they seem to be heavily inspired by the design language of the Atari ST for the general shape of this machine. I don't blame them for going that route.

@twocvbloke 3 жыл бұрын

I wonder how red faced Jobs was when he found he couldn't monopolize the market by forcing out the competition cloning their computers and selling them for more reasonable prices... :P

@AndrewTubbiolo 3 жыл бұрын

Red faced mad that he could not act like IBM?

@GORF_EMPIRE 3 жыл бұрын

@@AndrewTubbiolo Jobs and Gates.... both suck.

@kaitlyn__L 3 жыл бұрын

@@GORF_EMPIRE Gates had next to no involvement with the original IBM PC 5150. Microsoft was basically nothing but a middleman to IBM at the beginning. It was going to have CP/M until Gary Kildall missed the meeting. Then IBM hired Microsoft who simply bought QDOS, a CP/M clone, from a uni student for much less than they got for the license from IBM (so they kinda screwed him over, but it was still a decent amount of money for a uni student so idk, maybe he was satisfied with it).

@GORF_EMPIRE 3 жыл бұрын

@@kaitlyn__L It was not an OS a company like IBM should have ever accepted. Using an Intel was also a bad idea. I'm not talking about it's market success either. Clearly that was a winner for IBM...at first. That later came to bite them in the ass as every Tom, Dick and Harry were able to build clones and license MS-Dos and Windows and crushed IBM in the PC market. The fact is MS-DOS and Windows are garbage from a purely technical standpoint. IBM was considering a 68k and should have done so. It was by far superior in every way to the 8088, which was from a line of processors that were intended to control motors, not business machines. IBM did themselves no favors using proprietary ports and connections either. That said, Bill gates is not the tech mastermind people perceive him to be. He was lucky. If not for IBM, MS would have been relegated to history and would have been ended in the late 80's as a retro machines BASIC interpreter developer.

@kaitlyn__L 3 жыл бұрын

@@GORF_EMPIRE yep. The original intention to use CP/M played into the choice of processor, as you needed a Z80 or an 8088 to run CP/M. CP/M had the popularity and cachet in the business market, so they felt it was 100% crucial to success. The move to MS-DOS was really a last minute rush, and they just crossed their fingers they could create the demand. Obviously with hindsight they could’ve gone with a 68k and commissioned a CP/M clone for 68k (or got Digital to make an official version for 68k, potentially, but that might have impacted software compatibility and negated the draw of having Real CP/M anyway), and they’d likely have been just as successful. But in the design phase they were convinced they’d be DOA without CP/M capability, and it’s understandable why given the business microcomputer market at the time. Though of course with the 68k they would have still been vulnerable to cloning, without something like the Amiga chips. It’s still an off the shelf part. Eg: MacOS could run on Amiga and Atari ST due to the shared processor. But you’re of course correct the power would’ve been improved. And indeed. Gates has engineering capabilities unlike some other company heads, but by and large his skillset was as a businessman. Understanding how to extract maximum revenue from his product, licensing to anyone who’d pay, etc. Even back with their BASIC there’s that famous letter where he was so pissed at university students making copies of the tape. Even though it would have been arguably a loss leader to build the userbase early. But he wanted that Money.

@thumbwarriordx 3 жыл бұрын

Those were also the first computer I ever got my hands on in school. Though most of my Apple nostalgia from childhood is from using AEKs and is now embodied by the dampened Alps keyboard I built and can't stop using. I am a simple man.

@mattparker9726 3 жыл бұрын

Sweet!