all that being said. this is my real opinion on IGLs: twitter.com/launders/status/1616878238189645824?s=20 💯

We also have to remember that while karrigan played with world class players, he also developed tons of talent as well. Karrigan is the reason faze became a threat in the first place, before their star studded lineup in 2018, faze was still a team to be scared of even with players like kioshima and allu. Karrigan also made a name for mouzsports with frozen, ropz, woxic, and chrisj. It's amazing what he can do with new talent. Gla1ve has failed to develop any recent talent on his latest lineups, but that still doesnt deny that he was able to command the best players in the world to achieve cs' biggest dynasty.

Loving the new style of video, but becoming nostalgic for the demo reviews😃

I'm gonna be completely honest, this might the best type of CS:GO related content on youtube there is. Your passion for the game is just so bright and you're a big ass pillar of the CS community so please, never leave us. Sending u love from Sweden

When you think about Gla1ve you can clearly see the spot when CSGO became super competitive, Gla1ve doesn't only changed Astralis but the game itself, all the CS we watch today is because Gla1ve at some point changed Astralis, Karrigan can win a lot, but he never changed the way the game is played from the botton of Silver MM to the Pro level.

Gla1ve had the higher peaks and changed the face of CSGO for years. Unfortunately he's also had the lowest lows the last couple of years so the recency bias will always favour karrigan and his comeback story.

love this video lau. I have just watched the reflections interview with FeTiSh who basically was the teacher to many of the danish igls and have played with both of the players, including dupree, dev1ce, x9p1x, Cadian, and CajunB. Really interesting and I would highly recommend people to watch it if they like a backstory of how they, Glaive and Karrigan and got to become some of the best to ever play the game, byThoorin

Gla1ve in his prime was amazing but I'm pretty sure Astralis success had a lot to do with all the great minds involved in the team at the time. It will be very interesting (and weird) to see Astralis without him. Also: imagine being short like Curry! Only 1.88 / 6'2 lol

I love everything about these videos. It flows very well because of your demeanor, it sounds like you’re talking completely from memory. Also the visuals and overall style is just a vibe.

For me, karrigan will always be the goat igl for calling the most perfect game of cs go ever, the iem cologne '22 finals. Sure, objectively glaive might be the better igl (majors, era defense etc.) but the sheer quality of calling (in so many high pressure situations) in that final has never been surpassed in all my years of watching professional CS. The Air Canada call was only the poster moment of that series, there were a hundred others sprinkled throughout. For karrigan, the struggle was before the success whereas for glaive, the struggle comes after the success. If you were to put them against each other, I believe karrigan would be a better caller in 51 out of 100 matches. Simply because he's much better at adapting than glaive, and that shit really matters over a large number of trials.

More interesting than zywoo vs s1mple debate somehow

I would argue karrigan actually did chang the meta in a very important way: he started the era of international rosters. So many teams are going international now and it's hard to argue that it didn't start with 2022 FaZe proving that a roster of 5 different nationalities can win everything there is to win

why would you skip the Karrigan MOUZ run

Despite gla1ve winning so many major, he feel stuck in his era and unable to evolve along with the pace of the game and meanwhile Karrigan still can adapt and he still can work with many other players. Right now, I hope gla1ve can get into other org like TSM and play with players that he is not used to.

The argument against karrigan that he has played with some of the best talent in the scene is a valid one, though you could also argue those players played equal to or exceeded career best forms when playing under him as IGL. The one obvious exception being the Astralis core but it is worth remembering that karrigan was still the guy to take that core from decent team to good enough team to get to the finals to choke them away. For me, the crucial aspect as to which one of these two is the better IGL comes down to how much of the credit you personally give gla1ve for the Astralis success. One thing I think has to be mentioned is that karrigan has won with many different coaches of varying quality. That’s not to say they were bad coaches, it’s just that it seems that they weren’t the B1ad3s or zonics of the world who are largely credited for building their teams’ tactical structure. Heck, he won his major with their manager standing in as coach because Robban was still banned. IMO, the aspect in which gla1ve not having done it with different lineups is not necessarily to do with the players, you are absolutely correct when you say why would gla1ve have played with different players, it’s rather with the coach. Zonic is generally considered to be not just a very good coach but literally the greatest there ever was in GO. Gla1ve’s period of success was all under zonic. Once he left for Vitality, zonic built another major while gla1ve has really not done much of anything beyond that Blast run and then years later the run in Kato with Ence. Now it’s also very important to point out that no one beyond 6 people actually knew the dynamic between gla1ve and zonic. The previous paragraph is only what has happened when those two separated and the only thing we can draw loose conclusions from as fans. If it was a case of gla1ve is a very good IGL but can only reach that level when he has the best coach supporting him then I’d have to side with karrigan having proved himself beyond a reasonable doubt to do it with different lineups and different coaches. However, as much as I love karrigan and am personally inspired by his story and therefore absolutely biased in his favour, Astralis quite literally changed the game to a level that no team in the history of the game got even close to. If the scenario I described beforehand is indeed an exaggeration and gla1ve really was the leading force of the Astralis way then he is the GOAT. Once again though, it is a case of we simply don’t know as fans and everything I mentioned here isn’t fact but merely speculation on what could have been the case with that team. To come back to the original point of “gla1ve has only done it with one lineup”, if gla1ve can turn it around in Ence and create at least a very good T1 team with some trophies, while it wouldn’t directly prove what gla1ve’s contribution was in Astralis, it would certainly prove beyond a doubt that he is a truly great IGL even without the best coach behind him. Please don’t misinterpret this as me saying gla1ve is definitely a fraudulent IGL who got carried by zonic. I’m just saying the discussion is dependent on exactly how the balance of credit goes to zonic and Gla1ve, of course both had at least major contributions to the greatest team we’ve ever seen. To summarize, I don’t know who the GOAT is, however I would feel slightly more comfortable picking karrigan if I was a GM having to build a team from scratch in any era of the last 10 or so years.

I think Karrigan over Glaive. why? hes built up many more rosters and makes teams better. Glaive isnt bad. but winning everything with the same roster and then winning nothing when 1 piece leaves the roster is a sign

Karrigan for sure, he proved him self in ways Gla1ve just didn't. karrigan is leader first and foremost, he learned to handle people, build teams, develop talent and lead them to very top. Those are qualities that define the role for me. Gla1ve has great mind for the game but if you take away astralis from him what is left ? So Gla1ve would have to at least demonstrate success again in order to be in contention for me as best IGL. Can he take reins of the team like karrigan did with mouz and built it into that monster ? As long answer to that question is I don't know then I can't really put him in contention as best IGL.

Really enjoying this new format, hope demo review isn't gone though

Karrigan might be in a slump right now, but his teams are always competitive (except when he was on loan to ENVY). He's always managed to find a way to eke out wins. He's never had a 2 year slump of barely ever getting out of groups.

I commented on your last video after glaive was benched, for you to make a video on glaive, but you straight up to the point made a video on glaive vs karrigan. Goat content. Keep it up Lau❤️.

Glaive had zonic. He hasn't been able to do anything without the astralis lineup and without zonic. That makes it seem like he had less impact on the wins and was propped up by his teammates and zonic

Given gla1ve's fall off in team performance recently I think it is also valid to call in how much of that innovation of tactics was gla1ve and how much was zonic. Obviously the mid-round calling is down to gla1ve but I wasn't looking deep enough into the game at that point so couldn't really say.

I think it comes down to whether you measure igls by their pure calling or if you include their rifling and individual skills as well. If you don't then it's Karrigan if you do it's Gla1ve

3:06 I have seen it live and I couldn´t have believed it was karrigan... insane!

The fact that we even talk about karrigan being the goat tells a lot. I love his story and how he refused to give up but glaive is just the goat.

It's super impressive to win three majors in a row, but how is it your era, if another team is picking up a grand slam within it? Also, losing at Boston is a black mark on karrigan, but gla1ve went out in the groups with the best team in the history at the same tournament. If Faze had gone out in groups, this wouldn't be a talking point, wild.

Lau dropping “not big on recency bias” before the 3 minute summary about Faze’s recent showings

Daze as the background video @10:07 takes the cake haa

6:35 best recent example of this was the recent IEM Dallas match against ENCE, round 30 on Ancient karrigan just makes the absolute perfect call to make it to OT. Then he forgets how to play the game and Twistzz loses his cool and they lose anyway lol

its actually nexa but y'all aren't ready for that conversation

I say as the single highest compliment I could give a CS pro: gla1ve is one of the only players where if allegations came out that he was cheating the whole time, my reaction would be "ah, yeah that makes sense." He seemed to always call perfect rotations on T and CT side, and it felt like he hit more bullets through smokes than he did on enemies he could see.

"what is the HE of karrigans calling?" id say international rosters. nobody belived in them or made them before karrigan made them work

Love your content Lau! when is the "Argument for device" video coming out?

Astralis era is the most dominating era and the most fruitful. They changed how the game was played, dominated for years, not even a question.

been waitin for this

I feel like this argument is like arguing Benchmade is better than Swiss Army Knife. They both cut stuff and the Benchmade is head and shoulders above Swiss Army blades but the Swiss Army knife isn't known for just its edge retention.

great video as always, great points. Both of them are def great IGLs, but gla1ve is just so much more legendary.

i had a dissertation thought out in my head but it all went out the window when you said you always have money for a deag and now im queuing mm to buy deag no armor on every eco + pistol rounds

When you get older your priorities change. Glaive got married and now he's got a kid. Must be hard to focus on both things yk. It doesn't really matter if he's performing bad rn cos no one can take his 4 Majors away from him. The Goat.

I hope gla1ve goes far this major

Thinking on it now, Karrigan put international CS on the map like no other and I feel like it's pretty safe to say that he truly did prove that international CS is the new wave with both starting the FaZe train as we know it, and getting notable wins with MOUZ. He managed to lead FaZe to the first international Major win while Vitality closed out the book of CS:GO being an international team as well, and if you take a look at the top teams, 6 out of the top 10 teams are international + many more big teams are moving to international like Liquid and freaking NAVI. Also not to take away from Gla1ve too much, he not just had a pretty balling roster behind him, he also had the best coach of all time supporting him which certainly plays a role in terms of strats. Still nonetheless it's entertaining to speculate on this because the both played such different games and actually benefitted from each other (Gla1ve replacing Karrigan | Karrigan playing CS with the new metas).

The fact that both glaive and karrigan are on the top underrated list is actually creepy

HE of karrigan's calling? it's choking.

every day with a launders upload is a good day

The only one who stopped Astralis in the 2nd half of 2019 was Karrigan at EPL. Also back then in 2018 he beat Gla1ve's team at IEM Katowice, Sydney and Chicago(Astralis haven't won a single map) , and FaZe was the only team who was close to beat Astralis in BO3 at Faceit major.

2:30 that's over simplifying it. Dev1ce was shitting the bed in all of those quarter/semi finals. Dev1ce also shat the bed in the grand final against VP.

9:48 that was IEM Rio 2023, not RIO Major 2022

There is no debate for gla1ve vs karrigan. Not a real one at least. Gla1ve easily is the best. Karrigan has lowest of lows too being benched multiple times for not being able to win. Karrigan had like a good 6 months when all other teams were on shambles where he got the Major win and 3/4 wins for grand slam. Pronax is a better igl than Karrigan. If results dont matter then cadian is better than karrigan.

You don't always have enough money for a deagle.. if you spend it all in a previous round and die after time on t-side you're screwed

No way my man just put Glave = Drake. Bruh

This is definitely a karrigan video 😌

Glaive did so much more, creating the best team, changing the game and the greatest dynasty in cs history with a team of players who weren't mechanical superstars (except device), but were simply able to outplay their opponents at every turn. Karrigan has done a lot, and arguably has been a more consistent IGL, but he was handed a team of 4 other players that were incredibly dominant, and failed previously with pretty much the exact astralis roster. Also, not to discredit Karrigan's achievements, but most of Faze's victories came in a period of time where every other major team was having identity issues. Their two main opponents were Navi, who looked like a shell of its past self since the ukraine war/Boombl4 benching, and G2, who were trying to find an IGL that fit. Glaive and that Astralis roster after coming back from break absolutely ended the liquid dynasty at the peak of their ability.

How much was gla1ve and how much was zonic? With karrigan we know strategically it was all him. Another point on favor of karrigan, but a very tough one to call.

Achievement wise glaive wins, but Entertainment and Carrier story wise karrigan wins, win or lose the man has conducted so many thrilling games, keeping us nerds excited to watch pro scene, while Ast games tbh are a mostly a snooze feast.

you're wrong; karrigan smiled at me at Blast DC and his eyes said "im the goat"

Crazy seeing CSGO as history

It's obviously hard to debate against the IGL of the most successful roster of all time. However. I remember during the Fnatic era TSM was one of the few teams that actually stood a chance against them. Every Trophy Gla1ve has in his cabinet is with the same team basically +- Magisk/Kjaerbye. So without a doubt he was instrumental and also moved the sport forward in a way but it clearly also was a team that clicked in every level considering he has not been able to replicate it afterwards with other players.

Bro didn’t mention hooxi in the greatest danish callers in cs go lmao and he mentioned snappi 😂

Karrigan lead the original TSM/Astralis team, then Faze pre superteam, Faze superteam, then Mouz, then current Faze all to being legitimate t1 title competitors. Glaive had his time in the sun with the greatest team ever, but never found anything close to t1 title contention again. Personally I find it much more impressive to be able to climb the mountain multiple times, than it is to get the top, hold it, but never even sniff a return again.

I think Karrigan is the best plug and play IGL. He can truly make any lineup and/or player work in some capacity. Gla1ve is imo the best IGL. 4 vs. 1 major is enough alone. However, I think his mind changed the game forever and EVERY team tried to copy him for an extended period of time.

Why are there so many good igl from denmark like glaive, karrigan, cadian, and snappi.

Dude your content is awesome

Why don't you make a video about Zeus from Na'Vi ??

he developed the fast ct top mid mirage smoke which changed the meta, which is a map they're era is not even known for. end of debate

I'm really stoned and was just starting to fall asleep then 7:36 woke me up and nearly made me shit my pants

Peter Griffin V.s. Andrew Hussie

Gla1ve has been tier 2 Nafany for 3 years now, when he had Dev1ce and blameF they couldn't win vs the 30 year old russian electicians and plumbers in tournaments they got invited to. Mastermind caller with strats like: "blameF sit in ladder room and do nothing for 1:30, then everyone shift walks out wherever they want" He had the greatest peak of any IGL in CS:GO and defined how modern cs is played, so he's still top 2 for me.

What can be said for certain, the battle is not over

I personally think my faceit level 2 igl who says "rush b" and goes A with the bomb only for us to die during the rush and he also dies at A because some smartass guy thought "WHAT IF THERE'S A GUY COMING A TO PLANT WHILE THE WHOLE TEAM IS B?"

gla1ve had a higher peak and more "perfect" style karrigan is more avant-garde, hes had to adapt to so many different players and always seems to work it out in a way no other igl does karrigans flexibility puts him above gla1ve for me

If I were to answer the question, I don't think I could've done it better .

karrigan is better in my opinion, Karrigan developed so many players, also in Boston 2018 players like Niko just straight up choked. glaive is defiantly great but glaive basically inherited a super strong lineup Karrigan to a degree built and helped create great players as well, like what he was able to do with mouse sports, glaive comes across as someone who worked really well in one situation. Karrigan has worked magic in multiple

Peak: Gla1ve Longevity: Karrigan

I don't think the take that Karrigan has played with the greatest players of all time to count against him considering he makes those players better and sacrifices space to make those players shine in the first place.

The 13-7 comeback by Glaive is always talked about. However, Karrigan has probably had more 14-7 comebacks then any other IGL In history with multiple different rosters. He is the GOAT and its not even close. Glaive has shown that he could only do it with a very specific roster while speaking in his first language. Karrigan has done it with a range of talent and personalities while mostly speaking english.

background song name any1? please?

The guy with 4 majors probably?

I feel like you're giving gla1ve a little too much credit for Astralis' success. He had both the goat core trio (dev1ce, dupreeh, and xyp9x) and the goat coach (zonic). That trio's chemistry is actually just unmatched, and it isn't like gla1ve was fully managing their teamplay. And for prep and tactics, zonic had to have been like 50% of the equation. I think gla1ve was just the perfect caller for their style and also a pretty good fragger. If we're talking just raw IGL ability and leadership I would still take Karrigan at his best every day of the week. Honestly if I'm making a brand new team from scratch, I might even take prime FalleN over prime gla1ve.

WHERE IS FALLEN?

6 foot 3 " im short"

Ngl ... Niko is the ChoKo

Just wanted you to know that even if you made a 2 hour long uncut and unedited video where you just talk, I would still love to just sit and listen through the whole thing. Lau monologue podcast when?

musics just a teeeny bit loud

all the people referencing gla1ve's last 2 years without addressing the absolute roster shit show astralis has been the last few years. it's completely unfair to compare him to karrigan based on the last 2 years. he had blamef, sure. but blame, like we know excels in a lurker role which needs to change the entire gameplan when thats your best player. you need aggressive players and gla1ve simply has not had the same talent around him. karrigan right now has broky, twistzz and ropz which are all borderline top 10 players, including a solid awper. he just got back dev1ce and was forced to fill the pieces around him quickly. no single team has stayed at the peak of these last 3 years. you are also forgetting astralis wasn't getting anywhere with karrigan before they got gla1ve. you want to compare Mouz? he had ropz (previous star) and frozen (Current star of the team), sure they placed decent but didn't win any huge tournaments consistently

Astralis have been literally absent for years which has to be a huge minus for Gla1ve. The 5 individuals should have kept Astralis relevant until now.

Think this argument has already been made BUT where you give gla1ve this huge W for doing it with the Astralis core for so long (which is amazing in itself) you kind of just rush to the point Karrigan has played with the best players in the world. Karrigan has been the one truely developing these players I feel like, Ropz was amazing but Karrigan unlocked him, where is frozen now? w0xic? broky came out of nowhere and became one of the best players under Karrigan. So, in terms of leadership I think he deserves more credit than you give him although i'm a massive Karrigan fanboy.

I'd say Gla1ve is the GOAT, and then Karrigan. I love them both, no one can touch those two at the top.

i remember as a long faze fan since 2017 when guardian and olof came, i was so scared as a fan to face astralis when i saw faze vs astralis i though oh its gg just let them win:DD

ATH-ADX5000 is better than AceZone

its Snappi right???

Actually gla1ve and karrigan mother’s are cousins. So, this is not negotiable.

Personally I think that Siuhy clears both of them but that’s just me

Voo punching the air rn.

It would be recency bias if this was late 2019 and karrigan was winning everything right after astralis dominated for 18 months. This video is like gla1ve's best achievements vs karrigan's drawbacks. What do you mean he played with some of the best players ever? Did you forget about mouz? did you forget that none of his current players were top 5 in 2022? How about no star GOAT awper like dev1ce? How about karrigan winning a major with an international team where only 1 person spoke his native tongue? Before that no one had done that. how about no GOAT coach like zonic behind him? he did all himself. We saw what gla1ve did when zonic left. karrigan could certainly do more with glaive's lineups because we've seen him do it before with lesser skilled lineups

Glaive was good with one core. Karrigan won T1 trophies with 4 different cores. If glaive had shown anything in the last now almost three years he would still be the goat imo. But now I think zonic was a big part. So karrigan gets it for me.

For me it’s karrigan because I still want to see Glaive succeed with another team and another coach, because continuing being the best is a team contribution and all of the players have to make that choice to work even harder when you are number 1 in the world. Karrigan always changed the team culture and he played in

FNS, mostly in valorant, but he is the actual goat of IGL and not even from eu

I feel like karrigan hasnt changed csgo the way glaive jas

The prize of those headphones compare to a whole computer.... Cant be that good :D

Argument invalid, best IGL is Hunden since he has insane map awareness. Like he can see where the enemies are if he wants to. CSGO scene just lucky he can’t kill them