Right. Security companies exist to make millions of dollars and not actual provide legitimate or real security. It's all fake and a show and not actual security. This is a fact. All they care about is state requirements at the minimum level and throwing someone on a site just to be there whether or not he actually patrols much or stops bad guys from doing bad things. Literally just to have a person sit in some room or walk around aimlessly is all they care about. Not actually teaching them anything or making sure they know anything about securing properties and people.

Thank you!

Wait you double leg slam your patients? XDDD

@@dramaticreaper i know right?! We got the Georges St.Pierre of Senior Care himself up in this comment section!😂😂😂

perhaps you've watched too much of "Best UFC Takedown Slam Knockouts Compilation" in utube 😂😂😂

PTK is trendy larper martial arts. Go with a lesser known organization that is not jam packed with foreigners to learn better stuff and less politics bullshit drama.

When people speak by their own thinking without research throughly Arrogant put down a wall that split us from the truth

We could, anything you want to specifically see?

Yeah just breaking down your entrances to your Russian 2-1. I play a lot of Russian 2-1 and found it fascinating how you used it. Also going more in depth as to how to transition from that Russian 2-1 to your various takedown options. Also maybe giving some tips on how to close that space safely without escalating the situation. Like when you talked about placing the hand on the shoulder. I help train Air Force security forces in combatives and this video spoke to some of the techniques I’ve taught like a Russian 2-1. I look forward to more of your videos on the subject!

And that's sometimes the problem with these, "bs technique demonstrators". They sometimes miss out on crucial points that make the techniques work, especially on more nuanced ones

@@1995Patrol I practiced this technique for several years, and tried it every possible way before bailing on it. You're correct that we need to break our opponent's posture, off balance them, adding strikes to distract/weaken, move in an arcing motion to add multiple planes of direction, etc are all things that help any technique. However this move still sucks as something taught to "everyone," light demonstration for talking about the problems of the technique was my goal, and I am sloppy with it to an extent as I ditched it a long time ago. Even with those points of making the technique better, it still fails.

@@RVVBJJ thanks for replying to my comment. First, I would like to say your channel is great and I'm a subscriber to your channel as I'm a bjj blue belt and always looking for ways to improve. I didnt know that you spent so much time on the technique and I appreciate the effort you took in trying with it. Here is a video of a similar method I used to make the technique work. It will not be 100% rate but higher than other tactics used. Video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Y7B6oLyHqLvOfYE.html

Just commenting so I can see how he replies

Exactly. I think this guy is too used to overpowering women

People think that military people, esp special forces, know fuckall about normal fighting. My money is on them not knowing ANYTHING about hand to hand combat. Their entire world is weapons. If they're using hand shit, something has gone extremely wrong. I have a marine friend who was like "mcmac is the most real shit! It's truly tested and blah blah people's bones blah blah death blah" and proceeded to show me things I read in Fred Neff's "karate for beginners" book.

I would love to see you make a KZfaq video of this it would be interesting thank you sir

It's not impossible to pull off, but it is low percentage and I have seen people get hurt trying to use this. Even if I agreed with the idea that a "master" could use this technique with a high rate of success, the diminishing returns to achieve that level would be ridiculous. As in the amount of time spent on perfecting the technique to somehow pull it how would take too much time, in which said time could have been spent learning many other techniques that could be pulled off even with sloppy technique. The technique sucks, and typically the people standing up for it are either huge, strong individuals, or have no actual experience trying to use it/are defending their martial art.

I also want to know the different moves and techniques used when facing more than one guy.

I've seen this concept before. It's good because it temporarily neutralizes more than one opponent but it doesn't last that long. The best option from that position I would say is put one person in front of the others with the clenched and then push them forward at them and then run your ass off. In all situations with multiple people you should be looking to escape.

It makes sense that this technique is one that is only temporary in its nature. Sifu Paul Vunak once said that in a multiple attack situation the correct response is to reach for a weapon if available.

So... MMA basically?

@@demianthebackpackmaia435 Pretty much yes. We don't do strikes in the clinch or on the ground though

@@Sigrt this doesnt seem like traditional jujitsu to me...

Thats interesting. Havent seen such a jjj practitioner like that though!.

@@safdarkh786 me neither, I definitely dont think this is traditional. I mean theoretically there can be an aikido gym that teaches mma techniques and spars and they could call it aikido and then say hey look aikido actually works

I saw that also.

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Most cringey stuff ever. Damn u.

There are many things we can do to make any technique better, but good luck doing that stuff on a strong individual alone. It's a low percentage technique that gets people hurt, it's not impossible.

Most of these arm bar techniques need those kind of "pulse" movements or 'jarring' movements meaning it need to be done in one fell swoop, similar to a strike or a judo throw, the reason bjj is so popular is because the techniques actually makes your opponent "submit", meaning you can do the technique slowly once it's in place

Stephan and I can do more!

Lol naw aikido is shit. Find me one video of it working. Ill wait.

@@wilfordgrimley4339 the kimura, 'americana' and so on are all in Aikido too, it's not just the way wrist locks and the overhead throws (which I agree are pretty questionable ). Aikido also does should locks similar to the kimura that is so widely used in MMA, even the reverse "Americana" from the back is Aikido based (I'm saying that it's also in Aikido, similar to how a punch in muay thai vs a punch in boxing is basically the same)

@@dramaticreaper show me a video of it working from an aikido practitioner under actual pressure then

@@wilfordgrimley4339 you can see here that the video starts really late and that both fighters could have been going for houra already, in some scenes the taekwondo guy fets him a lot but everyone was just having fun and learning from each other. Also he did the reverse 'american' or whatever you call that www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=%23&ved=2ahUKEwjlk5K55LHlAhWJso8KHSTWCi8QwqsBMAx6BAgLEAg&usg=AOvVaw0VTJzWxrN8ZFOD4xbU2nov

@@wilfordgrimley4339 this is pointless, any working aikido videos are denied with the pretext that it's not aikido because it doesn't look like aikido demonstrations (which were never ment to be "tactical" or demonstrate real fights).

Lol youre clearly an expert. And its posture

He didn't break posture once when demonstrating the standing armbar

He said as soon as there are splits on a person´s face, it´s a potential problem, so don´t do it unless you have to.

@@jirkazalabak1514 how about body strikes or strike to the limbs?

@@blackpowderkun Mostly a waste of time IMO. You are exposing yourself by staying mid-range, where you can easily get knocked out. And strikes to the limbs can injure the opponent needlessly. You don´t want to explain in court why you had to stomp the guy´s knee and cause him to have a limp for the rest of his life. Not to mention they are not reliable. If you can close the distance and grapple, that is the safest place to be, outside of running away. Weapons included. If someone has a knife, you want to isolate the hand and pin it to something. Either their body, your body, a wall etc. Staying in stabbing/slashing range is the dumbest thing you could do in that scenario. And once you get into a dominant position(the mount, back control, side control), then you can add as many strikes as you want.

@@jirkazalabak1514 ok, how about in a case of multiple perps, where you can't just pin one guy, is that allow the enforcer to legally handle them more roughly, like use weapons?

@@blackpowderkun I mean, if your life is on the line, then clearly, you should use weapons, regardless of any law. If you dont have any, use improvised ones. In a bar, that could be a bottle, glass, chair, in an office maybe a pen. Anything harder than a fist is a potential weapon. Having said that, security work is no place for heroics. The pay is abysmal, so if it starts getting really dangerous, my advice would be to just run and call back up or the police.

I said I had used it myself, but in circumstances where I had a great size/strength advantage, or where someone was very drunk. I am not interested in training techniques that come with a warning "It depends on the skill or size of your opponent" in regards to it completely failing or not (yes skill and size affects every technique). I want to train techniques that work on skilled individuals, regardless of size, and that have safer follow up techniques for when ever the initial technique inevitably fails. Once you start grabbing your an individuals arm, grappling becomes a very real possibility, but the bigger problem is that it becomes a grappling match where you possibly get reset to a neutral position relative to your opponent if you keep trying to control that arm with some useless arm bars or wrist locks. I don't advocate rolling around on the ground with someone, I recommend getting behind them and putting them down on their butt, or into a prone position immediately, providing the environment is safe to do so.

@@RVVBJJ thank you for answering. Submission techniques are not the only answer: we have stick, strikes, take downs, and first we're not supposed to arrest alone. I was just a little annoyed with the tittle, but it s ok! Im an arresting techniques instructor and professional defense one, and i preach what i do in the street. Keep training, and teaching!

@@usenowayasaway yes we have many techniques and tools at our disposal. Yes never arrest alone! Cheers!

You have to at least create a realistic scenario if you're advocating for whatever combat sport/martial art you practice. Anything other than a gun, or a really fast run is going to get you hurt against 5 guys.

It's one of those stories that seem so absurd that it has to be true, I'm torn!

By asking for a lawyer

@@simoneriksson8329 same way they fight you. With guns and back up.

C AM You won't last long with that plan

Generally doing what is asked till the situation is diffused and not acting the fool. I know a lot of people’s pride won’t allow this.

I don't really think he knows what he is talking about he his showing those techniques totally wrong

kyusho certainly would not be my first option lol....

Yeah I was taught the same, however, I still think the move is garbage. Can it work? Sure, but there are way better options. I would personally only use it when I have a partner controlling the other arm.

@@RVVBJJ I agree I guess it just depends on who you're doing it to

Exactly. They are ignoring set ups and follow up techniques.

@@safdarkh786 if only they could bring in someone who trained with those more traditional techniques for several years and had some experience trying to apply them in actual security or bouncing scenarios, then they could get to the bottom of this...

Standing arm bars and wrist locks standing are very low percentage yes they can work but only against certain people that are weaker and not trained at all some people might be able to pull it off inspiring or pressure testing you would be better off with a double leg single leg armdrag taking their back ect..

They are all the same art, the difference is just the competition rules. The moment you start cross training, you will realize it's all the same thing. Chilling on your back, spreading your legs asking the other guy to go inside your guard in order to perform magic is not how BJJ works in a fight

Hahahahahahahaha

Feel free to read the comments. Conceptually it's a bad technique.

@@RVVBJJ yeah what he's doing is bad

It's really hard to execute it properly on someone who isn't already physically incompetent. If you got it to forcefully work you would do unnecessary damage and wouldn't be in the best controlling position.

It works, if you want to break the other guy's arm, which looks terrible on camera and on court, if you're law enforcement

@@jaketheasianguy3307 Yeah I agree, it's amazing how many people can't do it effectively.

That's actually why I'm watching this

Because no one has ever been hurt by being thrown on their head, right?

Jrt140 you are 100 percent right

I'm not attempting to make the technique good in this video, just showing what it looks like for reference before explaining why its problematic. I practiced many different iterations of this technique before discarding it from my game. "Ground Stabilization?" As in controlling someone on the ground or in a prone position? Obviously that won't break the skull, it's the fall with accelerated momentum into concrete that does the damage. Kind of an odd point to make? If you mean't something else please clarify.

@@RVVBJJ You made a video to show why these techniques don't work but you intentionally demonstrated them incorrectly?

@@JRT140 not incorrectly, just not trying to do the move "perfect" as I am not teaching how to do it. 1) I don't train that awful technique anymore and 2) No matter how much effort I put into it someone would still complain it wasn't done the "correct way" or the way they were taught. So I showed the technique so people know what it I am referring to. You didn't respond to about your ground stabilization.

I obviously have a bias to BJJ but in the video I do talk about other martial arts/combative sports (Long video I know). The important things are being trained in the multiple ranges of combat here (Distance, Clinch, and Ground) to cover your ass, and training a martial art/combative sport that has a live sparring element to it. The grappling techniques will vary for everyone, but when we are having to engage, close the distance, and take someone down, then grappling techniques are the best. I'm advocating a grappling approach to these situations not necessarily just BJJ. Providing the situation is safe to do so, I don't advocate rolling around on the ground with someone in a grounded bar.......this can go badly very fast.

I'm not trying to do the arm bar take down with much technique, just showing it for reference, or for the comical intro. To answer your question a BJJ technique can be done very sloppy and still work, a Japanese Ju Jitsu technique like this has to be flawless, as well as the follow ups (It's why it is such a beautiful art when demonstrated.) However shit gets ugly in the real world, and I have been in awful situations where I'm trying to survive in fights until my back up arrives. In these instances closing the range on my opponent and by using grappling techniques I had successfully grinded to success with blood in my eyes, and dazed from sucker punches even with sloppy technique. So yes it's safer, higher percentage, and has safer follow ups.

@@RVVBJJ I am sorry but a BJJ technique cannot be done sloppily and still work. No technique can. I am talking about averages here - if you try a technique a thousand times in a specific situation and it works 50% of the time that is a high percentage technique. If you do the same but do the technique sloppily it will only work on a few lucky occasions - extremely low percentage. Do not think that BJJ techniques are any different from techniques from other arts. Every technique is situational - every technique will have a high failure rate if done sloppily. My point is you are showing incorrect technique as a way to say look this JJJ technique does not work. So that is disingenuous. Would you be happy for that famous fake BJJ black belt Jay Queiroz to make a video showing his armbar and then claiming "see the technique is easily overcome so is not effective - so armbars are useless." If not then why would you think others should be trusting your opinion of an art that you demonstrate incorrectly. I see the same thing over and over being published - mostly by MMA practitioners but BJJ guys are guilty too. They say they will test some self defense or traditional technique. They do the technique slowly, poorly and with no intent and then claim that is evidence the technique is bad. This has surprised me as most MMA and BJJ guys KNOW that pressure testing is critical to getting things to work. Yet they have NOT even learnt how to do the basic technique let alone pressure tested it. So it is a bit arrogant to think that their demo is any way indicative of the techniques effectiveness. If you want to make claims about particular gyms or schools training methods and lack of full contact pressure testing then go ahead - that is where the real problems lie. Not with techniques that have been used for many centuries in real battles. Bad techniques do not survive real fighting for long as they tend to get the person using them killed. All that said I agree that grappling is a very useful skill and all fighters that want to be well rounded need to practice some form of it. The exact same thing can be said about stand-up fighting and throwing arts. All three are needed to be a complete fighter.

@@VestigialHead "Not with techniques that have been used for many centuries in real battles".......an interesting claim. BJJ techniques are refined from white belt and black belt level, and arguably can always be refined further. A white belt will be able to successfully execute techniques they have learned on other white belts even though they suck at the technique still. Sloppy techniques being used successfully against lower level opponents, and in time refined. This JJ technique will not work on anyone who resists, and I would argue regardless of how well trained it is. I mean this JJ Arm Bar technique is getting into a grappling range, just like the russian tie as I pointed out in this video. However, we never see arm bar take downs in grappling competitions. You'll argue the timing, the striking to distract/weaken, the element of surprise, sports isn't the place, etc but we don't have those elements necessarily available to us in a real self defense situation. Fights get ugly and most of the time become grappling matches where either 1 employee, or several drag a person down to the ground. This is because grappling works, and when shit hits the fan, adrenaline dumps, and training starts to go out the window these techniques can be done sloppy and be connected sloppy and still be fundamentally sound to work against non trained or poorly trained individuals. Can you imagine standing in front of someone ready to fight you, and attempting these techniques? I hope not, because it doesn't happen, and from a stand point of training efficiently people should be training stuff that works. I trained this stand up JJ stuff for a couple years, it was a tough pill to swallow when I realize that it doesn't work well. I know you won't agree, but I'm just trying to guide Law Enforcement and Security personnel in a safer direction.

@@RVVBJJ I am saying that if anyone decides to use a particular technique in a fight then they have a very very high chance of failure. ALL techniques are situational. You only use a particular lock, take-down or strike when the positioning is correct and the range is correct. So yes of course premeditated attempts at a technique will fail - it is not in anyway the purpose or intended use of the technique. As for works on an untrained opponent that is pointless. If you are trying to determine a techniques percentage chance then it needs to be tested on trained fighters. As I said these techniques have worked millions of times in life threatening combat. The technique is not the issue. The lame training systems that modern JJJ has employed is the problem. No pressure testing. Teach a person the correct situation for a technique and then make them pressure test it for a few hundred hours and it will work. Not saying there are not woo-woo or overly complex garbage techniques out there. But an arm drag or arm break like you demoed incorrectly is such a core technique that has proven itself over and over.

@@VestigialHead I agree with almost everything you said, except for the technique not being the problem. It is, and it will never work against a trained individual, that was my argument (I find it odd you're making that argument for this technique. You can't pressure test this technique against a fully resisting training partner 1) one you'd never get it and 2) that's a tough fall for your partner. Techniques definitely become more viable after hundreds of hours pressure testing, but that's difficult to achieve. A police officer with a full time job, family, etc can only train so much. They need techniques that can be trained hard, and work even if not done perfect. In time I hope people keep training and achieving black belts in bjj or whatever their poison is. A cop with a blue belt in BJJ is going to have some sloppy technique but have many things they can tie together and wear their opponent down. While we struggle to find common ground and argue this point I do appreciate you taking the time talk about this subject. Thanks for the discussion!

Striking doesn't guarantee anything, and is not always appropriate under the circumstances. Plus if you start striking the person, you are escalating the level of force and you can expect them to throw strikes back if you mess up. Absolutely if the situation calls for it use strikes, but I prefer to avoid it unless absolutely required.