Driving a train with no locomotive! Gravity train on the Corris Railway LGL Ep. 32

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Hello everyone,
You've heard of the driverless train, but how about the engineless train?
Today we're at the Corris Railway reenacting how slate used to be transported.
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A video featuring:
Lawrie - presenter, slightly unsure about this concept.
Matt - cameraman, very unsure about this concept.
A video edited by Lawrie, colour grade by Matt
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@gydo1942 Жыл бұрын

I love how Lawrie goes from "this is stupid" to "i'm genuinely enjoying this!" in less than 5 minutes.. Thanks for showing us another unique piece of history!

@GooseWaffe Жыл бұрын

always love when that happens

@lmm Жыл бұрын

You're most welcome!

@anumeon Жыл бұрын

The episode where Lawrie finally went loco.. Well for a start anyway.. :D

@lmm Жыл бұрын

😂 😂

@pilottruck1288 Жыл бұрын

Imagine doing this when the Southern Extension is complete. I know I'll have to come visit for that!

@nathanchan4653 Жыл бұрын

The Gravity Train is the ancestors of the runaway Troublesome Trucks

@lmm Жыл бұрын

Possibly part of the inspiration for them

@blasterblaster1221 Жыл бұрын

I love a gravity train...been watching many videos of them at ffestiniog but never knew corris did it, glad to see you experience it

@MrTangoman1 Жыл бұрын

Brilliant video..absolutely love it..I visit the corris as often as I can and always visit the model railway exhibition to support them..keep up the great work 😀

@eze8970 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Lawrie! Near a family member they had two gravity railway lines for coal, now long gone, but you can see where they were, only had 1 accident! Glad you survived your run down the hill! 🙏🙏

@Lillstisse661 Жыл бұрын

Which type of accident was it? Did a wagon jump the track halfway down?

@eze8970 Жыл бұрын

@@Lillstisse661 Believe so, due to overloading I think.

@cme2cau Жыл бұрын

I used to live in South Australia. There was a gravity tramway used for transporting grain from Hoyleton to Port Wakefield, then the third biggest port in the colony. Wagonloads of grain , with a few wagons of horses to pull the empty train 43 km back.

@graemew7001 Жыл бұрын

If for nothing else, this was worth watching for the sound of fear in Matt's voice at the beginning 😂

@lmm Жыл бұрын

He was not convinced

@richardsweeney197 Жыл бұрын

I wonder if the train would have bounced around as much if the cars were full of slate?

@henrikgiese6316 Жыл бұрын

Rails were probably more even when they were new, if nothing else.

@gs425 Жыл бұрын

Yes the weight would set up a side to side motion more intense than when empty

@Rebel9668 Жыл бұрын

My Grandaddy had a similar ride in about 1936 when he was 15 as he and a couple friends rode an empty clay cart (without the mine's permission) down a long gradient in West Tennessee. He said the cart probably wasn't going 20 mph but that it felt like they were flying and they all jumped out, getting a bit bruised up but otherwise fine as the cart continued downgrade derailing itself on a curve. Almost no trace of the tracks exist today with the exception of some earthen grade built up in a section of woods where part of it was torn out to put a gravel road through it.

@lmm Жыл бұрын

Oh the things we do when we're young 😂

@PBRJOHN684 Жыл бұрын

you want to try the one on the Ffestiniog Railway Lawrie. and I'm with you on the part of taking up drinking! . 🤣👍

@lmm Жыл бұрын

I would love to. I think that would be great

@GooseWaffe Жыл бұрын

I love the minor terror in matt's voice as he imagined all different runaway scenarios that could happen.... would make great highspeed footage though!

@lmm Жыл бұрын

I'd rather not do it though!

@1-8-6-8 Жыл бұрын

Nice wagons

@inkblotthecolt Жыл бұрын

I just stumbled on this channel and my god I love this.

@lmm Жыл бұрын

Hope you enjoy the rest of our content

@mfbfreak Жыл бұрын

That does look like great fun, and probably terrifying with a full load of slate.

@eliotreader8220 Жыл бұрын

very interesting review of the rolling stock on the Corris railway

@stevemellin5806 8 ай бұрын

Looks like a fun ride.

@lmm 8 ай бұрын

It was!

@andrewentwistle515 Жыл бұрын

Woo Hoo what a great giggle of a Gravity Train with Lawrie & Matt. It makes a great video seeing train's like this being shared online.

@lmm Жыл бұрын

Glad to hear you enjoyed it

@kymvalleygardensdesign5350 Жыл бұрын

I don't know how I missed this one! What a lovely railway the Corris is it has to be one of my favourites. Loved the ride down in the wagons quite a hair-raising thing to do especially when you think it's only a block of wood on one wheel that scrubs off the speed.

@kymvalleygardensdesign5350 Жыл бұрын

And a small one at that

@lmm Жыл бұрын

Yes. Tad alarming

@andrewreynolds4949 Жыл бұрын

Fantastic! In America they still do this sort of thing in large yards for shunting

@krissfemmpaws1029 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for taking us on this little adventure... that is some lovely country side too. Now I wonder how he would handle riding a Marine Railway down it's incline? Only it's a 80 by 30 foot deck with towers to keep the boat in place as it's being hauled out of the water.

@eifionjones559 Жыл бұрын

there was one here at Amlwch to bring copper ore from the mine to the harbour , two tracks the one with laden trucks pulled the empty ones up through a system of pullys and ropes. By all accounts it worked well at least compared to the mule trains it replaced

@andrewreynolds4949 Жыл бұрын

Ah, a funicular railway

@highpath4776 Жыл бұрын

@@andrewreynolds4949 not quite, cable hauled inclines as opposed to funiculars generally having locomotives (though noted they can be on a balance method too)

@solarusthelonghaulerrailfa3226 Жыл бұрын

Interesting how that Matt I presume was considered about the situation and when I worked for the railroad we would have to do this for some customers with full size cars 😁👍

@ToastTheThe Жыл бұрын

Lmao I never realized how realistic the minecraft minecart sound effects were until like 6 minutes into this video

@lmm Жыл бұрын

😂 😂 😂 😂

@paulshirley6383 Жыл бұрын

Driving a train with no locomotive! Gravity train on the Corris Railway LGL Ep. 32 love louis shireley

@davidowen6977 Жыл бұрын

Auto Loco 😉 Lovely to see 👌

@lmm Жыл бұрын

Environmentally sound too!

@allangibson8494 Жыл бұрын

And on a similar vein, Fortescue Mining has announced that their iron ore mine trains to the coast will use self recharging locomotives with the energy being used to haul the empty cars to the mine being generated by the loaded cars rolling down the rail line to the coast. All 400km of it.

@lmm Жыл бұрын

Oh that's cool! The gravity train lives on!

@18robsmith Жыл бұрын

Having enjoyed(?) the delights of a small gravity train you should head up to the Ffestiniog and try a much bigger one over a longer distance........

@highpath4776 Жыл бұрын

Did Tom Scott do that one ?

@allangibson8494 Жыл бұрын

Or Fortescue Mine’s in Western Australia (all 400km). Standard gauge trains, 2km long.

@chrisskelhorn5727 Жыл бұрын

Now all you have to do is get it back up that hill again! 🤣

@petershaw1705 Жыл бұрын

How do they get it back up the hill I would like to know we have nothing like that in Australia it is very lnteresting

@lmm Жыл бұрын

That's fine, just need to get a Loco!

@TimEaston Жыл бұрын

Another great video. I knew Ffestiniog had a gravity train in preservation, I didn’t realise Corris Railway had one as well.

@lmm Жыл бұрын

It's super fun too!

@TimEaston Жыл бұрын

@@lmm I would love to have a ride

@guidor.4161 Жыл бұрын

This very much reminds me of riding down the mountain in Funchal, Madeira in a bamboo sled - on a public road...

@lmm Жыл бұрын

That sounds like an adventure and a half!

@sodor_dan-da-man Жыл бұрын

Fantastic. The Welsh G WMU....... The Welsh Gravity Wagon Multiple Unit. We have a dragon and give a wonderful ride. And yes I'm Welsh

@crazyfvck Жыл бұрын

That was like a slower version of the mine cart scene from 'Indiana Jones and The Temple of Doom.' :D That being said, one of my other favorite U.K KZfaqrs is Martin Zero, and he has visited the sites of several old inclined planes. They were part of the pre-railway tramroads, and the loaded carts were sent down the inclined planes using gravity. After they were unloaded, the empty carts were pulled back up using steam engines and cables. A very simple idea, but very effective :)

@ProtonTheProtogen Жыл бұрын

this was released during my school day

@DanielleWhite Жыл бұрын

I learned of gravity railroads at a young age due to growing up near Carbondale, Pennsylvania, USA, which was where the cars were Delaware and Hudson Gravity Railroad cars were loaded with anthracite coal then hauled up and coasted down the Moosic Mountains to get to Honesdale and the end of the Delaware and Hudson Canal which would haul it 100+ miles into New York State to the Hudson River and on to New York City. My first wife grew up in Summit Hill, Pennsylvania, a block from the uphill end of the Switchback Gravity Railroad which, likewise, hauled coal a few miles to Mauch Chunk (today Jim Thorpe) for transfer to Lehigh Canal barges.

@lmm Жыл бұрын

Oh really? Must have been quite the thing to see

@patoverend7395 Жыл бұрын

lawrie get down to Porthmadog they do it with the trucks full of slate and about 10 trucks

@NorthShoreScout Жыл бұрын

i live in northern minnesota and we are known for iron mines and logging! from virginia mn to duluth mn there is a railway about 60 miles. this was set to be all down hill. it was said you could get on a hand cart. pump for not too long and then just sit back and ride it all the way to lake superior! the ore would be loaded on 1000foot great lake ships and iron shipped all over the world! also look up Mallet locomotive #229 in two harbors minnesota. might like seeing that big boy!

@lmm Жыл бұрын

That would have been an amazing sight to behold!

@COCONUT-be2gj Жыл бұрын

The key difference between a rollacoster and a gravity train is your not in control I loved it

@lmm Жыл бұрын

I didn't feel I was!

@harrymcandrew1447 Жыл бұрын

8:40 - 8:43 Lawrie litrally sounds terrified going from how his voice tenses up / sounds tense

@lmm Жыл бұрын

It was.. Unnerving

@propergander1162 Жыл бұрын

More fun than the DLR ..... Next stop cold harbour laaaaane 😅

@lmm Жыл бұрын

The DLR was quite the thing when it opened

@bentullett6068 Жыл бұрын

On the main line there used to be hump shunting where the wagons were pushed uncoupled over a hump and the loose wagons would roll into the specially controlled yards with a brake man on hand to stop the wagons. Also slip coaches used that were technically be carriage that was released from the train and stopped in the station without the Express train stopping.

@OntarioTrafficMan Жыл бұрын

Hunp yards are still used in Canada. I grew up near MacMillan yard which is an enormous facility. The braking is done automatically nowadays, no risky jumping on and off moving freight wagons.

@sarahmartiniom Жыл бұрын

Train =lawrie train=gravity train

@Ialston2000 Жыл бұрын

What about those pelton wheels at the second station? Enquiring minds!

@bow-tiedengineer4453 Жыл бұрын

Imagine what it was like in the early days of Talyllyn preservation when you could just do this as a random picnicking party. If the lawyers could swing the wavers needed, that would be a blast to bring back.

@lmm Жыл бұрын

It can be done safely, as shown here.

@jamesmchenry4708 Жыл бұрын

In this video, Lawrie uses the Planet Earth Itself to drive a train.

@lloydpenfold486 Жыл бұрын

Clever bloke, that Newton!

@lmm Жыл бұрын

Amazing to think that before him, there was no gravity 😂 Lawrie Goes Loco - the earth!

@cprgreaves Жыл бұрын

7m 16s If my high school physics teacher was correct, even 100 tons of slate would make no difference to the speed. Gravity accelerates the mass, regardless of the mass. Now 100 tons of slate would increase your momentum ( m * v) but not your speed. Of course, minor inefficiencies come into play, but you can test this out with a 36" length of PECO OO-scale track and a single wagon on a 10-degree incline. Time it without a load of wet clay, and with a load of wet clay. Time it at different inclines (up to about 70 degrees). Repeat with two wagons, ten wagons (OK you'd need TWO yards of track!). Cheers, Chris

@lmm Жыл бұрын

I did mean the extra mass hurtling down like an unstoppable force

@9Emovingrailpictures Жыл бұрын

Need to do the Ffestiniog Gravity train!

@lmm Жыл бұрын

Yes I really do

@vladabocanek3703 Жыл бұрын

Hello Lorry. Finally another loco video! I've seen some video about gravity railway few years ago. Long train, in first wagon was signalist, who was giving signals how many breaks should be applied. Trickiest part was to come down in such speed, that you can stop at the end of platform. But don't remember name of video, even railway. Was it this one?

@lmm Жыл бұрын

Most likely the Ffestiniog I'd have thought

@lukeslocomotives8521 Жыл бұрын

Ah, sweet Terrafirma!

@lmm Жыл бұрын

Excatly!

@davidballoid2118 Жыл бұрын

I'd do that with while having a few pints of beer without a brake lever to pull, just to have a good time WooooHoooo! Gotta live life a little!

@lmm Жыл бұрын

Without the brake you may have some issues. No alcohol on the railways either!

@richardhebden5603 3 ай бұрын

wagons like "trigger's broom"

@lmm 3 ай бұрын

Lot of railway stuff is like that

@pebsymax9113 Жыл бұрын

Need a standard gauge one for 1 in 49 on NYMR lol

@joshuahudson2170 Жыл бұрын

And I just wanted to see how you were going to get your train back up.

@lmm Жыл бұрын

In a future video!

@henryperris1457 Жыл бұрын

Hello Laurie I met you on the Alan keef open day 2022 how are you doing mate

@roever7083 Жыл бұрын

And now push back up the Hill

@chrispasini5870 3 ай бұрын

We certainly don't operate like that in the USA I'd say that. Sound interesting however I Kinda want a locomotive attached just in case.

@lmm 3 ай бұрын

In case of what?

@grahamlane1313 Жыл бұрын

How do they get the train back to the start ? Do u have to push it back up the hill ?

@andrewreynolds4949 Жыл бұрын

Probably they use a locomotive… I don’t think they use horses these days

@lmm Жыл бұрын

With a locomotive!

@jamessucksinlife170 Жыл бұрын

How long ago did you film this because the traversa isn’t at Corris in the video

@lmm Жыл бұрын

A while back

@highpath4776 Жыл бұрын

Am I right between them the Slate Quarry AND the Corris Railway NEVER made a profit (at least not enough to pay back capital invested),

@Living_Life_RN Жыл бұрын

Episode 30: Loco pulls train Episode 31: Loco IS the train Episode 32: Loco? Who needs a loco?

@allangibson8494 Жыл бұрын

Fortescue Mines - locomotive has no engine (just batteries with no charger required (dynamic braking actually generates excess power)).

@lmm Жыл бұрын

Where can I go next?

@Living_Life_RN Жыл бұрын

@@lmm It’s just you, running along the trackbed of a heritage railway, making general growling or chuffing noises, while you complain about how the ride is rough and that the vibrations are making your legs ache.

@Loweko1170 Жыл бұрын

Anyone know what that signal is for? It's at 90 degrees to the track! Does it rotate into position? Is it meant to signal people at the top of the hill somehow?

@lmm Жыл бұрын

It's there to show the public on the road that there is a railway there

@olliem-j4952 Жыл бұрын

Did anybody else see the shadow to look like a narrow gauge diesel 7minutes 33 seconds

@alan4391 Жыл бұрын

how do you get it back up the hill?

@terrier_productions Жыл бұрын

When these were in service, either a horse or a locomotive would pull the empties back to the top if the hill

@sarahmartiniom Жыл бұрын

Corris

@ballbag Жыл бұрын

No mention of how they get it back up then?

@lmm Жыл бұрын

With a locomotive

@FoxfieldRailwayOfficial Жыл бұрын

GRAVITY TRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAINS. Wish we had one!

@lmm Жыл бұрын

The bank is certainly steep enough!

@FoxfieldRailwayOfficial Жыл бұрын

@@lmm *plans insane ticket option*

@alexthomas637 Жыл бұрын

🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂😎😎😎👍

@DangerAngelous Жыл бұрын

I'd love to see a review of a horse-drawn train! That counts as a "locomotive" right?

@lmm Жыл бұрын

That might be fun

@mbak7801 Жыл бұрын

Whose drone was pacing the train at around 10mins in?

@lmm Жыл бұрын

Matt's, but the footage got corrupted sadly

@highpath4776 Жыл бұрын

This is when you flip the car into Neutral and turn the engine off to save fuel going down hill. Hoping the brakes work at the traffic lights

@deltavee2 Жыл бұрын

Or maybe just let the regen braking pump up the batteries some, free of cost.

@lmm Жыл бұрын

Similar yes, I think there are some railways looking at using the principle of charging batteries on the way down

@germantanker131johnny2 Жыл бұрын

I would be scared tbh

@lmm Жыл бұрын

It's good fun!

@TotoDG Жыл бұрын

Missed opportunity to call it "Lawrie Goes Loco-less"... but still brilliant as always! EDIT: Never mind, it _was_ called that. Disregard this comment.

@dancedecker Жыл бұрын

I thought it did, right at the beginning about forty seconds in, written on the "Totem Titles" ?

@TotoDG Жыл бұрын

@@dancedecker. Noted!

@dancedecker Жыл бұрын

@@TotoDG No problem. Cheers

@lmm Жыл бұрын

I was thinking, did I muck something up in the edit 😂

@TotoDG Жыл бұрын

@@lmm. I just looked at the title, and that was just the same as usual. Turns out I'm just an idiot. :/

@Pocketfarmer1 Жыл бұрын

So how does it go back up?

@lmm Жыл бұрын

With a locomotive

@Marci124 Жыл бұрын

What happened to the drone footage?

@lmm Жыл бұрын

It became corrupted

@JamesTrifolium Жыл бұрын

I believe a train with no locomotive is called a MU.

@lmm Жыл бұрын

A locomotive doesn't make a train. A train can sit quite happily without a locomotive, and very much remains a train.

@highpath4776 Жыл бұрын

So if Gravity goes down, how do you get back up ?

@lmm Жыл бұрын

With a locomotive!

@highpath4776 Жыл бұрын

@@lmm Well the Loco would bring the train back, but how do you bring back gravity (will have to check your script as to how the words actually came out)

@lmm Жыл бұрын

@@highpath4776 oh that's Newton's job

@highpath4776 Жыл бұрын

@@lmm Or Einstein ?

@eliotreader8220 Жыл бұрын

did the railway actually run Gravity trains back in the day or is this just a heritage thing?

@benbrotherwood9128 Жыл бұрын

Started of as Gravity down and horse hauled back up for the empties. Loco operation came later and even at the end of the railways life several of the quarries operated exclusively gravity working down to meet the railway still.

@andrewreynolds4949 Жыл бұрын

It was quite a widespread practice in the early days

@highpath4776 Жыл бұрын

@@benbrotherwood9128 I suppose keeping the locomotive in downhill gave better braking opportunities

@dangerotterisrea Жыл бұрын

Could do with ten ton behind it to be fair XD

@knifetrain3118 Жыл бұрын

Are you and Matt still you friends after that!?😂

@lmm Жыл бұрын

Just about!

@lancecluster Жыл бұрын

So the operator sits in the car with the slate?

@highpath4776 Жыл бұрын

Most were smaller wagons and the brake operator/s would sit atop the slates

@lmm Жыл бұрын

Pretty much

@casperreininga3253 Жыл бұрын

I truly wish I could actually help at a heritage railway. But since I'm Dutch there isn't a rather lot I could go to, and what we have is far away from where I live. Then again, we preserved so much less then you Brits have, its truly a shame.

@lmm Жыл бұрын

Ah that's a shame. There are places in the UK like the Talyllyn who have oversees volunteers, who stay for a week or so. Perhaps some of the places in your country have overnight accommodation?

@notmuch_23 Жыл бұрын

How id Matt like it?

@lmm Жыл бұрын

"it was an experience"

@jashugg Жыл бұрын

At 7:07 you suggest the gravity train would run faster if full of slate, but is that really the case? Gravity acts on objects of different mass, all else being equal, the same such that they fall at the same speed. Also, if the bearings are a bit tired, the extra weight of loaded wagons on the axles could act as a form of brake. I don’t think the speeds reached mean air resistance is a relevant factor.

@highpath4776 Жыл бұрын

There has been the fatal problem of the unintentional gravity trains - the runaways, the Croydon Tramlink one , where there was no system of automatically applied braking being totally dependent on manual driving, and the unbraked engineering unit on the London Underground, which suffered an engine failure which mean no compression for brake application - there being no failsafe spring loaded brakes that were satisfactory

@lmm Жыл бұрын

It's not faster, it's just harder to stop.