Jeremy will be fired because of this, what a screw up. DW is losing money just at how they did Crowder wrong.

Absolutely, no re-offer means they wanted Crowder trapped in the first contract. Keyword: trapped.

Crowder simp alert. 🚨

>Claims Crowder wouldn't negotiate >The Daily Wire were the ones that left the negotiating table

Good point

That's what it boiled down to. All Jeremy had to do was keep his mouth shut, and he and Crowder could have worked any issues they had behind the scenes.

I would’ve told Crowder to publish a tweet saying the video wasn’t actually about the DW. 😂😅 Technically, it would’ve been true. The video was about one of their contracts. It’s just good standard business practice, bro.

@@suigeneris2663 Lol…..except the DW is run by lawyers petty enough to argue the implied association and appeal to emotion by claiming Crowder was being intentionally dishonest …..which makes him a fundamentally bad person and it’s the worst thing Ben Shapiro has ever seen.

I watched Crowder on Tim Pool. His insinuations are obvious while his feined innocence is woke victimizations levels of cringe. TL:DR Crowder is fake.

@@inairefalen8065 except crowder was telling the truth.

A $12.5 million fine is absolutely massive.

50 mil for a extremely well known media company is a slap in the face even without any percentage of deduction, DW was stupid to make this offer period.

If you can't see that the 25 percent deduction is bullshit no matter the amount you don't have a functional mind because you are being blinded by the amount

I'm sure that if he's taxes went up 25%, it wouldn't be a punishment /s

My question would be: If 25% of 50 million isnt that big of a deal, then why deduct it in the first place? If you think 12.5 mill is chump change that nobody should make a big deal about, then why not just let Crowder keep it? I mean, its just 12.5 million, right? No biggie. I love if when rich people make a ton of money sound insignificant, whilst at the same time throwing a bitch fit if they have to spend any of it.

Since when does crowder do comedy

@@DexDexter0he was a comedian before he started his show. He wasn’t that good, but if Gutfield can succeed by just saying the same thing everyone else says but sarcastically it’d print money if Crowder did the same thing… but only for DW.

@@DexDexter0 He does comedy regularly.

@@DexDexter0 Crowder thinks he does comedy. Emphasis on the thinks, because it usually boils down to crossdressing or doing on offensive accent.

And a second full-length piece a year plus the quarterly and annual bullshit they do. It's nuts.

No lube too.

@@TeaBurn lube Costs money, and the daily wire is all about making money.. not spending it

DW is really playing at the "friends" aspect. A friend would not have given him a preliminary "term sheet" like that. What strikes me is how DW is using the ad hominem tactic. That shows me exactly who they are.

Crowder was Jeremy's friend. It stops there.

100% yes 👏🏻

@@DigitalVoidEntertainment If they lost $.05 they’d charge him $.25 in addition to making another $.10 off of increased subscriber revenue.

@@DigitalVoidEntertainment Where the hell are you people making up these numbers from? What you want to be true?

@Inaire Falen But if the company losses money you shouldn't? That's what Crowder thinks

@@inairefalen8065 if you are salaried, then you will still get your salary even if the company lose money.

I see it as a good business opportunity here. Get Shapiro to do an Ad read for life insurance. Get the suckers to buy with really bad terms, when they kick the bucket, they end up paying you.

Oh yes.

and legal fees

Crowder practically works out of his mom's basement....so what does it cost?

You 'morons' keep mentioning Crowder having his own production team like it's a benefit. It's not. It's an inefficiency. He may be able to demand more because he is producing the video but the difference between that and what he would otherwise demand is not the cost of production. Imagine if you tried to sign a basketball player to the NBA and he said "but I'm going to hire my own trainer and coach and chef and take my own private jet, and you need to pay for all that, too". The benefit of DW is that they have so many staff that can do anything that needs to be done. Crowder is trying to act like a contractor when DW is a cohesive organization. The two models don't really mesh very well. Nick and Barnes briefly entertained this thought for a millisecond before quickly glossing over it.

This comment should be pinned

That's the thing a lawyer can look at the contract and break it down to what it means in plain English for us normies. Nick did a wonderful job of it.

Agreed

Yeah I feel bad for Crowder, I mean sure this may be the way it normally is but if Crowder is trying to change that for the better for all of us then why fight that.

On the members' show for Tim Pool, he discussed his deal with Daily Wire. Tim said he thinks his own deal with the Daily Wire was financially more generous on top of lacking the censorship clauses. So a friend of 10 years gets this bullshit and a relative newcomer gets a more reasonable but still lowballed offer. Although Tim said they never got to the term sheet, so those may have come in later

Candace got the same shit so she’s pissed now lmao

we know, we saw the contract 😄

@@Sportnugget maybe Tim actually got to see a carrot. They gave crowder the stick because that's what friends do right?

And that was Crowder's point. To address this issue for future content creators to be aware of

You can't treat friends like business partners. That's what I think a lot of you aren't getting. You think crowder should have gotten favorable terms as a friend. But this is business. It isn't "friend-ness." Treating your friends differently is known as "favoritism."

@@willlicks8584 The argument isn't that they should give a better deal to a friend of equal earnings potential to a non-friend. The argument is that you can't pretend to be a friend with someone and then try to give them a terribly one-sided contract.

@@willlicks8584 which comes back to Crowder’s main point about how it’s terrifying that this is their norm, when he got Jeremy to admit to making people wage slaves

@zachfausett3693 no, the argument was, apparently, that new talent can't afford lawyers

@@willlicks8584so DW doing shady stuff that screw over crowder in the term sheet is just business, but then crowder acting up is throwing his friends under the bus? Pick a lane

Would have but I’m so conservative I never subbed

Nailed the hypocrisy

No not really seeing as the timing of everything makes this a very obvious brand building ploy by crowder.

@@mrb152 If this is brand building he is further vindicated. Brand building translates into money.

@@mrb152 Wow, what a goofy take. Where is he driving traffic to? A website that you can put your email into? The biggest name in the movement stands much more to lose by outing how the people that operate behind the scenes do shit. Pretty obvious if it was about the money he'd be driving people to a merch shop or his show, that he's not currently doing.

Why is DW so incessant in controlling Crowder? I’m curious. Because Steven ain’t the voice of a nation here, could it be they just wanted another big person making good money in the conservative space under their umbrella?

@@Lucaz99 But he wouldn't be making good money, I mean fuck he wouldn't be making *any* money *ever*

But that's not even the full picture. That price wouldn't have been horrible, IF crowder company got a share of profits over that 50 million. DW owned ALL profit that Crowder generated. Once DW recovered costs, a profit share would solve the money side of the equation.

Are you proud fighting for the Jews? Take that shitty uniform off.

@@snipegrzywa this. there are tons of dealbreakers in this "contract" but revenue split (or the non-existance of one in this case) is an absolute insult. not giving crowder more money if they blew past expectations is highway robbery.

@@snipegrzywa And they could paywall any prior videos, plus they got all merch profits--literally making him 100% beholden to them for income, AND putting him at their mercy if they should decide to deem him in breach of the contract for purely subjective reasons (see, e.g., the requirement that it be "of equal or higher quality"; if that's not a recipe for randomly being docked, I don't know what is).

@@juliebartlett4222 They could ruin his existing content and channels with control of his social media, which would force him to keep re-signing contracts with them.

Think about what you just said... If you don't want to work with someone at all, you simply don't make an offer.

Ooh I forgot he said that, that's great, I'm gonna use that, thanks!

Where's that flamethrower when you need it?

That's only $65k a show if Crowder threw in his past library, merch, social media, and email list for free. Which, I wouldn't be surprised if DW expected that.

@@tyrannosaurusimperator Looking at the contract? They absolutely tried to make it that way, they wanted ALL of that (most in perpetuity) as part of the terms and the contract makes it specific that the fee (the 50 million dollars) included the cost of DW getting the past library, merch, social media, and email list.

Don't forget that if he provides 3 ad breaks instead of 4 if that's what they agreed on, that counts as a "missed show" to give the 100k penalty

And DW wants us to believe the revenue will be exactly $100m, if it's $100.13m then that already covers the loss of one show, and we all know it's going to be more. They think we are stupid.

Love the breakdown bro.

You shouldn't put those terms on table for ANYONE they are pure evil

The only thing you need to know about how BS it is is the demonetization punishment… for a guy who has been publicly talking about being demonetized for YEARS now. They knew that as they were writing it.

I think they have valuation issues DW thinks crowder is worth way less than crowder thinks he is worth.... Not sure who is right be interesting on others to comment on this.

@@Stryyder1 that is actually a good point. There is a definite difference in how each value it. Conservative estimates say MugClub had roughly 300,000 subs at 69 to 99 a year depending on individuals. Those people joined for Steven after his final time being demonitized, they didn't join to pay for Glenn Beck to spread cheeto dust on his face.

Being friends is beside the point when you are talking about millions of dollars. Despite the potential penalties Crowder would still be guaranteed millions and those penalties would be reset every 90 days depending on if revenues improved. Not sure what "funny hats" is supposed to refer to but DW has done a lot for the conservative movement. They clearly couldnt afford what Crowder wanted, and couldnt justify potential losses by guaranteeing Crowder the full amount even if Crowder lost revenue. They made the right choice to back off and not commit more money. Heck Jeremy even said people should still support Crowder despite all this...

@@v-2010 Then do not tie the revenue to YT.. after all the DW is mainly a subscription model ala Netflix or at least it is how they represent themselves. If they so dependent on YT then their model is not sustainable. It only takes one angry son of Cuban immigrant to trash their income.

@@v-2010 Then YT becomes promotion to pull his audiences on their pay walled content. If they did not believe they could make money out of him they would not have even considered sending him an offer. Still bein this dependent of what happens on another platform is a bad bossiness mode for a company their size.

@@v-2010 They knew about his situation which means they knew his only value is his sub count, not his add revenue which we all know is 0. The only way to actually monetize him is to put his content on the subscription page. But apparently this is too risky for them. So why made him an offer in the first place? You do noy offer to "buy" a bossiness that can sink yours. You try to by a bossiness that will grow yours. At this point I will start questioning their competency and ability to move forward.

@@v-2010 To your first point, they are beholden to big tach because they want to. If you build a subscriber service their goal is to grow it. They have mentioned several projects that should help them break out and be fully independent. So far they have show little progress in that regard. That beg to question if their negotiating tactics have something to do with it. To your second point, we might never find out what his real reasons are. I am not a mind reader and have no trust on people that act as they were. I do believe it is a service to all including the DW that their contract practices get exposed. It provide them a chance to improve their negotiating tactics and at the same time letting people know to avoid those clauses. I was hopping that after Prince had to change his name due to a bad contract people would wise up, sadly it is not the case. Also, you never start a new relationship with and insult. There is no scenario that would work. You might get compliance for a short time but will have to keep looking over your shoulder. Because relation will come, you just do not know when or how but you can be sure it will come. For the DW well it is already here and they can only blame themselves because they opened the door for it.

It also didn't grant him any creative control as per the language. There was nothing about being free if editorial restraints within that clause or any of the surrounding clauses that would be used to clarify.

Crowder is the host, Daily Wire would be the leech.

@@litrogue6328 That's a huge distinction to make as well. He bares all the cost of labor but he'd be beholden to their green light for what material he's showing.

Candace and Peterson said they spent five months negotiating, can’t imagine what upfront and percentage fees must have been for top rate attorneys for five months of work.

yeah its supper scummy what they are doing here

@@braddl9442 Jews will jew

@@thepeacefulbearbeer Ben is manipulative and has become more and more focused on the money, but Jeremy isn’t Jewish (as far as I know). Stereotypes aside they….certainly don’t make conservative business practices look very good

@@Matt-yg8ub I'm Jewish and I like making fun of my kind when I can I know it's not really a Jew thing

Under Crowders model the biggest chunk would be from subscribers, even under the daily wire model I think it would be close, but man oh man do they pile on those live ad reads…. They make truckloads of money off of that stuff, but Crowder could never incorporate that into His show because it would fundamentally change who and what louder with Crowder is and he can’t do that.

@@Matt-yg8ub Crowder does live ads for Walther and Black Rifle coffee... he holds up their products on his shows. He used to have a segment called "One in the chamber" sponsored by Walther. FFS you people are stupid.

@@Matt-yg8ub Crowder still does ad reads, but he does them in an entertaining way. Not like the guys has Daily Wire where its a boring shill read. That's being said Crowder's show only does one or two of them per show, where as the Daily Wire its feel like its every 5 to 10 minutes. If Crowder did that his show would suck.

@@covahredro8370 The distinction is that Crowder does ad skits that you can clearly see they spent time and effort on…Shapiro just pauses his train of thought to read 200 words in 8.6 seconds and sell you Birch Gold. Creators who are cognizant of “ we’ll get to what you came to hear….but first I have to sell you something” do much better in my opinion than Shapiro reading copy and repeating the name and URL three times like it’s a pre taped radio ad.

@@nealorr5086 Not only does he hold it up….it’s a permanent fixture of his desk and they do entire skits poking fun at the horror movie genre where “horror movies don’t work with a Walther”. I’m not saying he doesn’t do sponsorships……but he doesn’t pollute the show with obnoxious ad reads like Daily Wire does.

I was thinking the same thing

Yes. Watch his daughter's video.

@@fearlessfreap8093 ah, she did address it. Thanks for the info.

That was my only care really. I belong to neither crowd. But censoring someone I look up to is a shit move I won't forgive. I'll check out his kid's video..thanks for the info.

Mikahlia Petersen shared that her father did agree with the tweet by crowder, but HE himself took it down to respect daily wire - they did not tell him to take it down. But I feel that your assumption that DW would even do that is the same thing that others on here commenting, are making assumptions about.

Seriously if he'd agreed to their penalties it would have given all of Big tech the opportunity to immediately ban him and destroy him and everything he's ever built

@@kidmosey And that’s literally where it ended, Steven told them to take the punishment clause out and they said no..so he walked away. There was literally no deal for them if they couldn’t suppress Steven Crowder

Destroying him (and making him a warning to other members of the dissident right) was almost certainly the ultimate goal, all the better if they could make a buck doing it.

@@RedMcCarl I wonder if that isn't the point

Fantastic word! I had to Google it.

@@pheebs818 Thank you, it is a very good word. Just knowing it has changed how I process media especially.

This is awful of course, but watching Shapiro, Candace, etc. made me wish that all of them go bankrupt. Ben put out some of the most disgusting gaslighting, and lying BS I have heard in a long time. Framed in an emotional way to make them seem like they have the moral high ground, when they are just plain sleazy. Way to fit a stereotype Ben. Candace did too with the "angry black woman" routine. She is just stupid though. Ben is way smarter than this, but he still did it. These guys are identical to the MSM. Maybe worse because they are preying on their own people that watch them, and work for them.

lmao, ok Bizarro boy

It sounds better then "talking shylock shite"

He wanted $120 million but it's not about money. Sure.

Exactly.

Because Crowder's agent countered 120million and removal of the clauses and they couldn't do 120 million, not even close to.

@@C.Satyr001 “not even close” Jeremy said they might have been able to get the negotiation up to 100 Mil That’s what Jeremy thought per his video, which makes Crowder’s offer (which you could argue was just a super high ball to counteract their stupidly retarded level of low ball) So in response to the DW fanboys we should just say “WhY dIdN’t ThEy NeGoTiAtE

@@C.Satyr001 It's a negotiation, as Jeremy would say 🙂

​@@johnstrong5436 yes it is but let's say I gave you 30k and you wanted 70k + additional concessions like more free time, lesser work time, more holidays and lesser work. It is the same for steven, is their room for negations I would say no. Both parties did not want to negatoiat in good faith.

He also called Crowder an ally. Plus he acts "butthurt", that reaction is not something that used to be common on the right. Either Jeremy is a socialist or something really bad is happening to men.

@@Varangian_af_Scaniae Probably a socialist. Conservative socialists exist - hell so long as you can make a greater good argument you're socialist. It's always been the case that maximized individualism lies in the camp of the Rightwing libertarians. So all the other political ideologies are socialist in degree. It's just the commies who are the worst.

If you let them talk long enough they'll out themselves.

@@reg6947 Guess its a good thing i don't listen to anybody at the Daily Wire, and that this is one of first Nick video i've watched since the Rittenhouse trial. I really dodged some bullets there.

Good luck doing charity in big media world 👍

And secret recordings are totally ethical for martyrs or something

Recordings are great for honesty

The recording that wasn't released until after Boring claimed the call was the most shocking thing ever? The only evidence available of the actual tone of the phone call? The proof Boring lied by implication about Crowder's reaction to the offer?

@Forbidden Biblical Knowledge look up the observer effect. If only one side knows they can pick their words carefully

@@derekbrown6161 "Not fair that the Dailywire looked dumb. They werent told he was recording so they didnt get the opportunity to lie" Man how deep in your throat is Shapiro's tiny cocky?

When someone from Hollywood claims to be your "friend", realize: they don't know what that means. They're in a different world and it isn't reality... it's more like reality TV

Shad was even more complete if you can handle 3 hours

Seriously! And then acting like crowder gets to pocket all the money they're "giving" to him.

Pfft!! Nick is sticking his tongue deeper down the back of Steven's trousers. He should go Cry Louder With Crowder. I've never been and still am not a DW supporter. I've been a longtime LWC supporter except with all this whining that Steven's doing. What does Steven expect?? He's going into this already permanently demonetized by YT. It's like Hertz trying to lease out vehicles with broken transmissions. Mark Dice is 100% correct.

That, and calling him his friend at the beginning of the video. It is manipulation

Ikr?!

It's lawyer speak, lawyers will always try to make bending you over sound like it's for your benefit, that applies to 99% of them, Rekieta being a rare example of the 1% that are actually human beings.

They cry out in pain as they strike you.

I bet Ye is loving this drama 🤣🤣🤣🤣

They kept throwing around "5 million dollars" because they know that's unfathomable for most of us. It makes Crowder look greedy so they get the win.

@@RSK_WMD Steven is having his Ye moment.

What personal attack????

Crowder stated on TimCast they're going to be North of 30 employees by the time they get up and rolling again.

People that say that have no expertise running their own studios. Those are the types of people that the DW would take for a ride because they dont know any better.

Neo-conservative cuckoldry

😂😂😂

Haha! This is a perfect description!

What your argument neglects to mention is that Steven Crowder could “call in sick” anytime he wants and not be penalized. The DW is in the business to make a profit (just like SC) and they are well within their rights to have safeguards built into the contract to protect their brand and business. Steven Crowder shot himself in the foot by taking this public and my guess is that he’s kicking himself for these actions. He looks like a fool.

@@jamesmarsh9888 What your counter argument neglects to mention is that it is frivolous gibberish that has no relevance or bearing to anything remotely realistic and is just a tl;dr that expresses your dislike of Crowder, and your simping for DW. You shot your load in your face. You not only look a fool, you are the fool.

@@jamesmarsh9888 That's all correct, but threre's a bigger flaw in the argument. Shapiro, Walsh, and Knowles all do 5 shows a week, so regardless of which days Crowder works on pre-production for the show, he's only doing that 80% as much. ALSO if Crowder thinks that he's doing too much pre-production.. then hire someone else to do it.... you know, like a grownup.

He has 20 people working for him and if it takes him six days to make those episodes hes incompetent

@@jamesmarsh9888 of course he would clearly be penalized if he had sick days since it is his own business and he would lose revenue and the reason to take this kind of contract for SC is to have DW take these risk (togheter whit the upside) like salaries for example you do your job you get paid and it doesnt matter to you if the business is not having a profit or if the business is having 10 times the profit you get your lump sums and thats it and having sick days is pretty common for these kind of contract

And Crowder is all crowdfunded

And travel and security.

Correct..the $50M/4 years was not pure take home pay. Part of that money is used to pay the ppl producing his show.

@Jill Featherman except it's explicitly not. It's Crowder's money to do as he wants, but due to the agreement that he'd have to fund production out of pocket he's likely to spend that money on production. It's a key and very important distinction in this, as one is the DW paying to produce a show and the other is a man using the money he was paid to pay for production, as in its not DW's money.

@@jillfeatherman5523 it's to pay for the whole production.

Just gross revenue of the number of subs that everyone assumed Crowder has and would bring to DW would outpace that entire lump sum in about 14 months, and this is at the 40% discount rate. This doesn't factor in any of the ad revenue, monetization from Social Media pages or any other forms of revenue from P2P purchases (merch, events, etc). They're so generous. /s

Then he’ll be Uber successful with his own dumb show that he financed himself, right?

@@kyanrinel5898 350k mug club subscribers with a price of $69-$99 a year. So with a median if $79 a year that's $27 million dollars. That's without Ad read and merchandise sales... i'm sure he'll be successful

Just Some Guy's brother? 😲

It was initial offer, they were probably expecting him to negotiate at higher. They also probably want some hard figure on subs and merch sales before they when higher. They don't want to make an offer than find out he sold the right to merch to someone else.

Me too.

Me three

I bought a straight razor 20 years ago, need creams and maintenance but the razors been there for 20 years

Made in China anyway.

Never trust someone selling a product that they don't use, that's all you need to know.

That's insanely dumb. If you're a new creator, you benefit greatly from the exposure DW gives you. Brett Cooper (who Crowder is talking about) thoroughly explained this, and she got a new contract as soon as she blew up. Why would DW want to trap people in slave contracts? Why do all their talent keep renewing if they are enslaved? None of this passes the basic logic test. You're just riding Crowder's jock, and he's running the con

“Without fair compensation.” If you agree to it, by definition, you find it fair. There are no friends at the bargaining table.

The bigger con is that the dw is an alternative to big tech, if you don’t know this you are likely a Shapiro fan boi

@@wgsmit02 huh? Who has ever made that claim?

@@wgsmit02 the DW isn’t and has never claimed to be “an alternative to big tech.” What are you even talking about?

They're also claiming he could have renegotiated but if you're given a horrible deal from the beginning there is no negotiating a fair offer because their intent is to lowball you.

Bad analogy

exactly! Even on the most basic of home buying “reality shows” they tell the buyers to not offer too low of a price or they risk offending/insulting the sellers and will be locked out of any future negotiations.

Not only did they lowball him they expected him to carry all of the risk of the partnership, a partnership where they gained all the upside and crowder might get paid a little bit if big tech liked him. That 50 million was for his entire team of 20+ people and pay to make all the content. I don't even know what that's called, but its worse than lowballing.

@@olorinmartinez what's a better one?

It's. Not. A. Contract. Stop calling it that

Which destroys their own image and brand.

@@willlicks8584 really? If those terms would have been accepted would it not go into effect as is? Getting upset at the term contract in this case is as stupid as saying a third trimester fetus isn't a baby Because it hasn't left the birth canal.

@Ashtor1337 well, legally speaking, there's a world of difference between a fetus in the 3rd trimester and a baby

@@willlicks8584 oh God…enter Roe V. Wade 😂

And if all the ad reads weren't present and up to their standards--every single one--then that episode doesn't count.

I think Ben n Jeremy thought they were clever and knew they could not have to pay him and shut him down while suing him for it while they take ownership of all Crowder but their extremely pissed not because he betrayed them but because they couldnt betray him and people are purposely blinded to it and cowardly at that???

God forbid he would get penalized for doing literally zero work for a year

@@chrisastin184 so, you get paid 500$ an hour for example, but for every hour the company deems that you have not worked you owe the company 700$, on top of which, if we ever call you and you do not reply, whether you're taking the biggest shit of your life, having a conversation with someone already or if you're on your deathbed, doesn't matter the reason if you don't pick up you owe the company 10000$ "God forbid he would get penalized for doing litterally zero work for a year" ... If you don't work you lose the income, that is the biggest penalty you should normally face, but because you saw that 50M offer which is raw revenue, then you think it's 12.5M profit a year but that's not the case. Fact that in monetary penalties alone he could owe almost twice the 12.5M raw revenue per year and that initial offer was "made by a friend" well God forbid you must have an excellent friendship with that person so they wish to legally kill you with a contract. Know your shit and don't bring God in humans discussion next time. Faith won't save you from making utterly stupid decisions.

@@daemok4752 you’re just making up scenarios that wouldn’t happen. And yes if he did zero work he should be penalized. You think DW isn’t spending money on him even if he doesn’t work?

Very well said!

the world is not fair. this is why anyone should have a lawyer review a contract because people are always looking to screw over the person they are trying to sign

I would have to say the people sucking DW off. If even half are bots, it's still way too many individuals.

Tbh if you built your brand with DW it kind of is. Giving this to a Brett Cooper. Lets be real her million subs are not organic. Its hella unnatural for such a basic bitch show where she can't say or do anything too spicy. It just helps that she's not a dude in his mid 30s. Same with Candice who and I'll be honest completely 180'd out of a bad situation. She was one of the most despised people among liberalist/savvy internet conservative circles and she's somehow made everyone forget about that. No one at DW talks about that doxxing software she tried to peddle almost 6 years ago. No one talks about her interviews - one that is extremely infamous with Blaire White where she is incredibly nasty and unbearable and I'd argue even after that baby pops out which it surely has by now you'll still see less and less of her. Because DW was never ready for how toxic she was. They gave her the same shit deal as Crowder probably worse with the caveat that she gets to add her face to a mix of all white pundits and tv show hosts. Same with a Matt Walsh who they slowly seeped into the mix. I do think its a combination of hubris and control. The money is important to DW in so far that they retain as much of it as possible and considering Crowder's nature they know they'd get away with it. They also get to stifle a voice in the conservative movement that quite frankly I think they didn't like in the first place. Seems like it would be really easy for DW to find their own crowder. They don't want A Crowder. They don't want Crowder's spicy stuff - hell even I frown at his 'comedy' sometimes but I know some people (a lot of people) like it.

@@Monty2289 How is any of what you wrote relevant to this being an appropriate opening offer to Crowder? You realize that any offer should be tailored to the one you are making it to right?

Op it’s because there’s a world of difference between libertarians who worship money and conservatives with Christian ethics

Having read their articles, most of that money would have been better spent on hiring proof readers who are fluent in English.

He said he is working on it and talking with his agent. So we will hopefully get to see it soon.

@@Aresdraconic That is awesome. Such great news. I am just getting caught up on this and couldn't hold back from blurting out, haha! This would be the greatest team up in history! Thanks for the update!

Can't wait for the Balldo salesman to ask Crowder if he knows what Futas are

@@stevepalpatine2828 Crowder is a balls-on kinda guy, but maybe not a balldo-er.

Any way you cut it, it's a massive penalty. A year's salary, a quarter of any amount of money, or $12.5 million, it's all huge penalties.

Yep there's sheep on all sides of all everything

Yeah, I’m the same way about Crowder’s fans. Strangely, I’ve managed to avoid seeing DW’s more idiotic fans, though I’ve no doubt they’re there.

Why not just send a better counter offer back instead of complaining about the big bad DW?

@@alexanderd.9460 You're missing the point

@@thepeacefulbearbeer The point is, Crowder is claiming victimhood...very conservative. But please feel free to elaborate. I will give you a counter...

Exactly!! If they had been friends, Crowder would have known how they operate a long time ago and he would have expected this- he didn't, he was blindsided. DW never considered him a friend because they literally just offered him a cage with bread and water. Now, I've never thought DW was fighting against the machine. Maybe on a good day, they might fight a little from within that machine, but they have ALWAYS played by the machine rules. I haven't watched them for at least 5yrs, when I started to see thru the doublespeak. DW not only shot themselves in the foot, they also blew the cover on EVERYBODY'S contracts! They are so far under water, they turned into fish.

did you pay by credit card? could've done a chargeback to let them know how you feel. otherwise, rip. only reason to buy most things on credit card tbh.

How many other people do you figure in-subed from DW.

Candace has me contemplating canceling. I was going to go full access if Steven was brought in and If he was put behind that wall. My “blaze” subscription was really a Mug Club membership.

Bro…edit your novel before you hit the submit button.

@@mrj3217 I’ve never INSUBED in my life. Have you?

As my show business husband says: It's show business, not show friends. Don't be a poser Jeremy....

Then you're not friends and a horrible business partner. Finance is not a 0 sum game. It's the exact opposite. The best business is the type that has the customer return and continue to spend money over a life time. The worst is when you take advantage of a customer and lose out on the initial revenue and take additional losses because no one will do business with you.

Tiny hat very funny. It’s clipped extremely tight

MUH ANTI-SEMENISM, REEEEEE!

Stop noticing things goy

Boring is the face but we all know who the nose of DW is…

Huh rakieta has nazi fans. Not surprised.

Check out the Channel "Knight's Watch"

He’s not the only one on KZfaq who understands it, he’s just one of the few who has the balls to come right out and say the daily wire is fucking wrong.

Shad, Barnes, Styx, and Hard Bastard all see it. Also (though obviously not on YT) Alex Jones. Several very small channels do too.

Lol most of the conservative sphere covering this are either staying neutral or siding with Crowder. Viva’s the only one with a take that’s even semi critical of Crowder and he got blasted by most of his audience over it by the rabid crowder fans. His own polls say most of his audience support crowder. His partner Barnes rides Crowder and excuses literally everything Crowder does as though he’s in lawyer mode, already working for a client. Let’s not pretend it’s so rare that someone is taking Crowder’s side. I had to look at liberal and leftist channels before people started ironically bringing up that you can walk away from bad contracts in a free market.

Naw everyone who does a reaction to the contract offer all talk about how scummy the DW is. That’s why the DW is so butthurt about this situation. They can’t handle being exposed as grifters.

Watch Knight's Watch take on it. It's hilarious and just as informatiive.

When I watched Crowder’s first video, I didn’t originally thinking that a contract that bad would come from the daily wire, especially not to someone that I thought they considered a friend, after seeing what they put in the contract…. I’m not so sure they aren’t grooming kids.

@@Matt-yg8ub I know other platforms do ad reads but in crowders first video he talked about having to do 3-5 ad reads per show and my mind jumped straight to DW and I wasn’t wrong

@@joeschuh5580 you’re right, of course, I just dismissed daily wire because I never thought that they would be Dicks to Steven Crowder

@@Matt-yg8ub you and op, watch The Daily Wire Goes Proto Woke

More than enough content than we can handle. He never disappoints. 🤣

North side nicks are undefeated

There are a lot of stupid people still defending him.

My husband was an attorney for 43 years. They can work either side. Attorneys don't take sides just who pay them.

@peggy breaux yes I was talking about the commentary, not the actual attorneys involved.

But, but "Stevens earned some stability" That dismissal of profit sharing was almost as bad as representing making him cover production costs as a gift.

That's small hats math.

No, no you can stay. Dad jokes are good here.

LuL

Yeah pretty much, if you’re not willing to go on record with what you’re negotiating, you’re not negotiating in good faith. Obviously I’m not saying that negotiations should be public, obviously both sides want to keep that private but if one side wants to gag the other before they discuss terms, that’s a red flag. You agree to an NDA and you could wind up like Jon Gosselin….ie a gag order that prevents you from defending yourself when accused of all manner of crazy shit while your bat shit crazy ex wife takes all the money, the kids and leaves you with nothing but bills.

Also have to wonder why DW didn't bother renegotiating if they knew that the first offer was crap. Smells like a trap.

There were no other bidders. Blaze and Fox are the only two other major conservative content makers besides DW and Crowder already burned the bridges at the two aforementioned companies. He was desperate for attention and to play the victim with his stupid “fight like hell” fake mantra.

Whether there was no other bidder or not is not relevant. Any future potential bidders are on notice not to try that crap or risk being publicly called on the carpet.

Yeah. Most people criticizing Crowder think he's "disrespecting DW" maybe because he doesn't wear a suit and a tie... guy's channel is big.

They could have offered him $10. It’s their right to do so. That doesn’t make him a victim. 😅he screamed grape without being touched.

Rogan has double the audience, also rogan has way more room to grow, by his bipartisan nature. Crowder is always going to be limited by his content. Im right leaning and think crowder is incredibly cringe, so unless your firmly on the right you would never watch his content.

And Crowder had every right to say no. It's free market capitalism. But him running around whining, playing the self-righteous victim after being offered millions looks terrible. I love Crowder, he's fantastic. But he looks terrible doing all this.

@@pinkfloyd7572 You'd be a failure if you think Crowder is in the wrong here. Crowder is every bit in the right for calling this out. DW riding Big Con like a child rides a priest. This is bad for future Conservatives as well.

It’s a calculated risk on Crowder’s part. He probably knows them well enough to know that they record everything. He probably learned to record calls from Ben Shapiro himself, but he also knows that they have come out condemning him for the recording and therefore can’t admit that they recorded it themselves without losing that leverage and looking like massive hypocrites. I’m always reminded of a traffic Cop I used to work with. The guy used to get subpoenaed to court all the time because angry Karens claimed he had said or done something, claimed he pulled them over because of their race or because he hates women or whatever right. He never once lost a case in court because he had a tape recorder (ya, he’s old like that ) in his shirt pocket and recorded every single citizen contact. The modern version of that is a body camera and it’s there to cover the officers butt and provide protection against false accusations. There’s nothing wrong with recording business calls and smart businessmen (and women) do it all the time. DW is just too invested in the emotional appeal that it’s somehow a betrayal to get bad vibes off the guy who handed you a bad contract and start covering your butt, to admit that they do the same thing.

@@Matt-yg8ub That’s such BS. SC had already gotten the stop big con domain weeks before setting up the phone call with Jeremy to talk about the contract again even after SC had already turned the original contract. SC set up the phone call just so he could record it and then put it out to market his new stop big con thing.

@@jillfeatherman5523 I think he was so pissed at things. He just thought I’m going to go scorched earth. Stopped and said let me call and see if we can move past this. Didn’t happen, so he pushed the proverbial red button.

@@jillfeatherman5523 Sure, he recorded the phone call.. say it was even strategic. It doesn't change the words that came out of Jeremy's mouth, does it?

@@jillfeatherman5523 two problems with that theory. Steven Crowder was always going to pursue stop big con…. Long before the daily wire decided to self identify as big con. He got that domain, because that was his project, completely independent of whether the daily wire decided to go to war with him or not. Second thing, he recorded that phone call as insurance in case the daily wire decided to be assholes and try to slander him. You wouldn’t know the phone call existed if Jeremy hadn’t slandered him, and Crowder had to produce the receipts to clear his name. Crowder wasn’t recording Jeremy as a gotcha moment, that was an insurance policy that paid off in the end because the daily wire is the one that came after Steven Crowder.

This is wrong in two ways. First of all, you can make revenue on KZfaq even if you're demonitized by selling stuff during your videos. Nick does this. Steven does this. So, you are 100% wrong there. Secondly, the model that both DW AND Crowder apply is to use KZfaq views to direct consumers to their subscription service. So if you're not on KZfaq... Steven literally employs a lawyer to help himself stay on KZfaq. Then he complains about a contract which obligates himself to... stay on KZfaq (with the aid of DW attorneys). The entire complaint is nonsensical.

@@nealorr5086 Wrong, friend. The contract is about the KZfaq monetization, quite explicitly. The only words that matter in law are the ones written in the agreement. Sure, Steven can sell merch and Mug Club or do an ad read, but that's not the point. It's about punishing him if he goes away from what the big tech overlords will allow. America did not become a nation by saying, "Well, the king said we have to pay for the French-Indian war by raising taxes, so we just have to work in that system." What Daily Wire is doing is no different; punishing talent for other people abusing KZfaq's policy to change the rules and get them banned. Which has happened to Crowder no less than twice. We need the guys out here willing to sign their own death warrant to stand up and fight for what is right. After all, big tech is going to continue to pull the Overton window leftwards unless we physical stop them.

With being able to take over crowders ip, create and own social media platforms in crowders name, and keeping in clauses that would let youtube and others platforms financially fuck over crowder like they have in the past, the "friend" part is strained already.

And you get penalized more than 100 percent for breaking the bullshit rules social media keeps breaking themselves... Yeah you also know how to be a friend huh?

@@westondickinson5309 well that's where the business begins, butt ayy we are all just the bestest of friends 🤣🤣🤣

@@thepeacefulbearbeer just don't start acting like your friends then like the video said start with the shittiest terms you can like a dumb fuckin retard

@@westondickinson5309 yep you can't make the cake and also eat it or whatever the saying is

Yes. They're outed as adults. I don't think they mind.