LC200 | Provent Catch Can vs HPD | Why I’m swapping | How to install | Difference

LC200 | Provent Catch Can vs HPD | Why I’m swapping | How to install | Difference | Oil Separator

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It’s come time to swap over my HPD oil catch can for the new 2020 Provent Oil Mist separator. In today’s video I remove my existing HPD Catch can and compare the two units side by side.
00:00 - Introduction
00:45 - Removing the HPD Catch Can
02:41 - Side by Side Comparison
09:46 - What’s new for 2020?
12:49 - Curtin University Study
15:42 - Installation Guide
21:12 - Conclusion
We see the clear design and function differences between both units, including that of construction material, physical sized and filtering methods.
I speak about why I decided the change the units over today and we briefly dive into an independent study conducted by Curtin University Western Australia that involves both units.
We then move onto a step by step install to assist those who are also thinking about fitting their own Provent 200 catch can.
Fitting an oil mist separator to our turbo diesel 4WD’s is a simple, but important addition to add for those wanting efficient intake temperatures and longevity for their engines.
I hope this video has provided some insight to those who are thinking about purchasing an oil catch can to their 4WD and provided some useful information in relation to how to fit the unit.
As mentioned, here is link to my intercooler clean video. This shows you just how much of a difference a clean intercooler can make to your engine and why it’s important to keep in that way.
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@denisvincent3249 3 жыл бұрын

That would have to be the best video I have ever seen thanks , I’ll pick a catch can set up for my troopy from western filters that’s if they delivered 👍

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, appreciate that. Glad it was helpful 👍

@TheNuclearRider 3 жыл бұрын

Great video! Thanks for producing it 👍

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, appreciate it.

@snoordman4831 3 жыл бұрын

Nice video again Nathan!.. Good luck with your eye there🤙

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, very observant haha.

@ajbishop890 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Nathan for this video. Now I will get one for my BJ74

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

No problems, glad it could help. Good luck with your install.

@tanamite 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Nathan, another great video. I put the Provent 200 kit from Western Filters on my 2015 Sahara last year and ordered a replacement (upgraded to IV) element yesterday. I’ve done nearly 20,000km with it on, including a few trips to the Goldfields. So far I am averaging to drain 30mL per 1000km using Penrite 0W20 C2 Euro. The current filter looks good at the 20k mark, but I may not wait the full 40k and replace it sooner. Note the older Western Filter bracket has caused the lid of the Provent 200 to rub on the underside of the bonnet at two points. Same with the fuel manager pre-filter bracket from them. Not badly, but noticeably...

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, appreciate it. I reckon I might be replacing the filter around the 30k mark, depending on what it looks like obviously. As I do a fair bit of towing, I reckon the blow by gases will be increased with the vehicle being under a higher load. Interested to see how much this kit pulls out. Cheers.

@lionelbaars4789 3 жыл бұрын

Great video and information, as usual. 👍

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers mate 👍

@igypop. Жыл бұрын

truly excellent information/instruction video, no marketing BS..

@XploringOz Жыл бұрын

Cheers, thanks mate 👍

@igypop. Жыл бұрын

@@XploringOz keep doing what you doing, most people want just a plain straight to the point assessment and if backed up with studies carried out by educational institution(s), all the better for it..

@muzzap6265 3 жыл бұрын

Great vid Nathan. Like most things if it’s a quality product it will work if installed correctly. I have a proven 200 in my LC200 and after 3300ks dropped out about 10ml of oil. These things work. In time all that oil would have started coating the intake system and adding the EGR system to the equation would have eventually blocked the intake manifold and heads. Filter is expensive but so is removing the top end of your motor and getting it cleaned. 👍 👍

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate. For sure, quality is vital! Unfortunately this vehicle is a 2014 and I purchased 2nd hand, so no doubt my intake has already mixed with the EGR to create some blockage, but this will assist in that process continuing. Hopefully one intake clean in the near future will help it out somewhat. Chees.

@ShoeysAdventures 3 жыл бұрын

you won't go wrong with a ProVent Nathan, I've had one since day 1, no dramas at all.

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

Good to hear. I reckon this one will do well, hopefully better than that of the HPD anyway 👍

@billroach2393 3 жыл бұрын

Had a Provent 200 on my previous car (100 series) and now have one on the big Duramax 6.6 litre in the Silverado. It's one of the first mods I do on a modern diesel engine.

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

For sure, great pieces of kit!

@daveo908 3 жыл бұрын

Well done again mate ! Thanks

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers mate.

@holgermuller2987 3 жыл бұрын

Nathan, excellent vid and explanations. Western Filter should be great fully! The catch can is a no brainer. My Sequence was: 1. Buy used 200series. 2. Order / buy from Western Filters the M & H Provent 200 and fuel manager pre diesel filter with 30 my filter units.3 . Buy air, oil and diesel filter from Toyota original. 4. go and full service the car all lubs, filters, and coolant as well install the catch can and pre filter correctly before driving the car. Ps the Provent 200 works a absolutely perfect for me. Cheers

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Holger, appreciate it. Sounds like you have a good series of preventative maintenance after purchasing the vehicle. So many people go straight out to buy all the gear that 'looks good', rather than the gear that will actually assist and improve the performance and reliability of your vehicle. Thanks again, Nathan.

@emptytube 2 жыл бұрын

Your engine bay is super clean

@XploringOz 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, I try and keep it clean after hitting the tracks. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aNOPnKqhr8-7dI0.html

@brockstravels7586 3 жыл бұрын

Nice factual video. A recent option is also the RYCO catch can and fuel prefilter kit. Very well made with mounting kits for most 4x4s. Its not cheap by any means. I previosly had the HPD whick is of excellent build quality but didnt seem to be working properly on my 2015 BT50

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate. It appears a few people have the same opinion about the HPD unit. I didn't come across that unit, glad to hear that it has worked out for your vehicle. Cheers, Nathan.

@derekroberts2120 3 жыл бұрын

I ended up with the direction plus kit for my 200, same oil separator (provent 200) similar bracket but the clamps were the constant pressure type, just a bit neater and the hoses ran around the front of the motor. Bottom drain tap was a bit neater also ( i"m just fussy! haha) there is another kit available also, my mate has and mounts in front of the radiator on the passenger side behind the grill. cheers

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

Good stuff. There are a few different kits out there on the market. I guess it's personal preference in relation to the mounting kit and position of the filter. One reason I forgot to mention in this video and one reason behind choosing the WF kit was that it kept the pipes and filter high and within the engine bay. Although I don't have any solid evidence, I have heard of other experiencing condensation in their filters when installed at the front of the bay, having fresh air pass over the outside of the unit. Cheers, Nathan.

@north4961 2 жыл бұрын

Great choice! After doing some research I came to the same conclusion PROVENT 200 for my 2014 Ram Ecodiesel 🇨🇦 thanks for the video. Sub’d 👍

@XploringOz 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome, good to hear! Thanks mate 👍

@derichhofmann4667 5 ай бұрын

I’m thinking of adding one to my ‘21 Chevy 3.0L Duramax. After a year of use on your truck; do you still recommend, any issues?

@jcpphotography314 3 жыл бұрын

Great video. Will order a kit for my 200 series land cruiser. Thank you for your information on the different catch cans and the advantages of having them installed. Cheers John

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks John, glad you enjoyed the video. Good luck with your kit. Cheers, Nathan.

@johnh2309 3 жыл бұрын

Great video yet again. People need to know that once a catch can is fitted the Toyota Factory Warranty IS void. I asked them prior to fitting it to my VDJ79 and this is what they told me. In my opinion, catch can on, and take my chances with Toyota! They work great. I have the RYCO one and it works fantastically. I was stunned at how much crap was in mine on first filter change! Highly recommended to diesel owners. Not a great idea to pipe the oil back into the sump. I live in Victoria and the water moisture vapour mixes with the oil and you get chocolate milk in the body of the filter around the oil air interface. It is fitted correctly just in case anyone thinks there is an air leak. I think the water vapour ingresses via the pressure venting system you discussed.

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, definitely something to keep in mind and something I forgot to mention in this video (as it's not a consideration for me, due to being out of warranty). Further, cold climates and certain placements of catch cans within the engine bay have been known to build up a moisture within the collection bowl, definitely not something you want being returned to your oil sump for sure. Cheers, Nathan.

@madeleyinc 3 жыл бұрын

For Toyota to void your warranty for fitting a catch can is Illegal. You have the rite as a consumer to protect your engine for when your "factory" warranty runs out

@DingoCC Жыл бұрын

Tiny water crystals can form in the catch can in cold water which may find their way into the turbine. Not good at all for the blades.

@ShawnD1027 2 жыл бұрын

When you mention the kink at 5:13, note that one can insert a "hose support spring" that matches the ID of the hose. This will prevent the kinking while still allowing the hose to flex to a tighter radius. There are some made specifically for this, but a thin-gauge compression spring of the appropriate diameter will work as well.

@XploringOz 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, I didn't think of this before. If needed I'll definitely use this. Cheers, Nathan.

@DiF44 Жыл бұрын

Tengo el mismo filtro que menciona en el min 10:00, mi duda es que pasa si le saco la válvula de presión que lleva el recipiente por el costado inferior y le adapto una tapa en ese orificio ya que según he leído esa válvula de presión solo es para igual la presión que hay en el motor para que baje el aceite al carter, pero yo al igual que usted le tengo esa manguera de color blanca para luego vaciar el aceite acumulado y en ese caso la válvula no tendría sentido ya que no estaríamos aprovechando su función...

@iandibley2985 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Unsealed 4x4 did fairly comprehensive test on most catch cans on the market Provent and Flash Lube performed the best by a fair percentage, both have pressure relief valves in case ofa blockage for safety. The chance of a seal being blown out or leaking would be very low if the unit was fitted correctly and the internal filter was replaced at recommend intervals. I fit a Flash Lube to my LC200 in the first 400k. Ian

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

For sure, and this study organised by Curtain and published by SAE International would agree. The Flashlube was right up there in terms of results, although not much better than the Provent, it still provided the best results of all methods tested. I would be interested to see how your unit performs long term, let us know. Thanks, Nathan.

@mohygamaledin8674 Жыл бұрын

Hi, noticed you installed 19mm hoses for the Provent.. What is the correct size, 16mm or 19mm? I noticed kits come with 16mm hoses.

@PhilTaylorPhotog 3 жыл бұрын

Fantastic overview. Thanks...it’s on the list, but I’ll be having my dealer fit to ensure there’s some level of warrantee left.

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, appreciate it. Good idea. Cheers, Nathan.

@AndrewSparkfish 3 жыл бұрын

Great detailed video as always. Wouldn't waste money on one as there is no harm done with a bit of oil mist going into the intake...... as long as the egr system is blocked.

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers mate, yeah I guess if the EGR is blocked that little to no harm will come, however I would dare to say that most people don't block their EGR's... Cheers.

@derichhofmann4667 5 ай бұрын

The oil vapor is still blowing through intercoolers, turbos, and onto the valves. It’s not just about keeping the EGR assembly clean.

@AndrewSparkfish 5 ай бұрын

and nothing wrong with a bit of oil vapour @@derichhofmann4667

@mjhmech4903 3 жыл бұрын

Will be interesting to see the RYCO RVSK105 vehicle specific kit for the VDJ200. The PX Ranger / BT50 kits are superb. Superior to any Mann Hummel PV kit I have seen to date. Not overly pleased with garden retic' elbows supplied with most PV kits including the one you fitted myself. The RYCO kits have proper formed hoses along with quality hardware kits. Apparently the RYCO RCC351 catch can actually outperforms the PV200.

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

Interesting to hear. It would be great if someone who had one fitted or was thinking about fitting one could test one out and post the findings. In terms of the elbow fittings, I guess this is more aesthetics rather than function, there is no higher flow air that requires any fancy mandrel bend etcs in the circuit, but it would look nice. Cheers, Nathan.

@lukaszlukaszewicz5855 3 жыл бұрын

Great video Nathan, i got mine fitted by my performance mechanic and my last service at Toyota they advised that my catch can was leaking. I inspected the hoses and thanks to your video i picked up that the installer has put the hoses on back to front on the can. My provent 200 is the newer model with the spring down the bottom. I have done about 30000kms with the hoses installed back to front on it since the provent was installed and it has been catching oil. but hoses have the dirty sot on the outside. Do you know what impact this would have had on the engine with the hoses put on back to front?

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

That’s disappointing to hear that it was installed incorrectly. Good news though, it shouldn’t have done any damage to your engine. Saying this, the can would have been completely ineffective whilst running like this, so the hoses are probably coated in oil. At least you can be confident in knowing that it is working well now 👍

@LocksmithSteve 3 жыл бұрын

Several years ago I had a Pro vent 200 catch can fitted to my brand new Mazda BT50 XTR auto, by a 4X4 diesel specialist. Within 800klm my front seals blew, coming home from a trip to Cooktown. As I was driving, I could smell oil. Got home to Cairns, popped the bonnet and oil had sprayed everywhere. Car was still under warranty so took it into Mazda and was told that the front seals had blown because of pressure build-up caused by the catch can, so no warranty cover. I called Western Filters and they asked me certain details about my Pro Vent 200. It turns out that my catch can was a cheap Chinese replica of the Pro Vent 200 !. Looks identical BUT, mine had a fine stainless steel mesh filter medium instead of the genuine white material filter medium. Also they said the pressure relief valve on the replica's does not function at all. I then fronted the installer, who 'red-faced', removed the knock-off can and put the system back to factory spec's, and paid the bill that Mazda charged me to replace the front engine seals and clean the engine bay. What a bloody drama !. Not game now to get another catch-can.

@ausguy4385 3 жыл бұрын

Wow lucky it was a shop that installed it and not you DIY then. Bet they knew was copy, as shops buy from big suppliers that deliver. Can't see Repco or the like buying ebay copies and reselling . I had heard this story of copies, so I bought directly from Western filters.

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

That's not a great story at all! I would be extremely disappointed and frustrated it this occurred on my vehicle. I understand your hesitation. I'm glad to hear that the shop helped out with the repair bill, but goes to show how vigilant we need to be when trusting others with our vehicle. Cheers, Nathan.

@krump7429 3 жыл бұрын

Thats a lesson for you to not go for the cheaper option. Cheaper isnt the best option.

@ausguy4385 3 жыл бұрын

@@krump7429 also a reason to question why a reseller is selling for less then the original seller/manufacturer... But he was told was a real one, So that's on the mechanic.

@LocksmithSteve 3 жыл бұрын

@@krump7429 Yes, but I asked for and was sold what I believed to be a Provent 200 C/Can. Paid top dollar too!

@brucegonsalves1793 3 жыл бұрын

Love a comparison on the flash lube and pro vent 200 my thought r that flash lube is far superior but live your thoughts cheers

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

Hey mate, Something I'll definitely keep in mind for a future comparison. I would also agree that other tests indicate the Flash Lube to have a superior efficiency, but I can't personally comment on that at this stage. Cheers, Nathan.

@northernbeachesguy3245 3 жыл бұрын

I went back and forth on whether to get a catch can. Everyone said yes then I watched a John Cadogan report and he said no. After watching your previous post I finally decided on yes to put one on the new Triton. Looking forward to seeing the results in a few thousand K's. Another great upload, keep it up :_)

@jamesmcmillan2656 3 жыл бұрын

I saw the same report and decided not to install one

@holgermuller2987 3 жыл бұрын

James Mcmillan Yes, I Have seen that too, but with zero hesitation installed it to my car after purchase. Check out the R&D from M & H! And Nop I am not affiliated with M&H in any way only a customer who purchases M&H filters by container loads. Cheers

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate. There are obviously arguments for and against the installation. Keeping in mind that not installing one is not going to damage to engine, it will just coat the intake system in a layer of re-circulated oil, therefore reducing it's efficiency. Thanks for the comments and I'll upload some results in the future. Cheers, Nathan.

@krump7429 3 жыл бұрын

I wouldnt take what cadogan says as gospel. Diesel with no catch can... =absolutley crazy. All turbo cars benefit from a catch can, petrol or diesel.

@dustyfarmer 3 жыл бұрын

John Cabogan talks to a glass dildo, wears fishnet stockings & thinks an EGR blanking plate & catch can is a bad idea for your engine and the environment. I'll let you be the judge. Just let me say I do not subscribe to J.C's way of thinking on this subject of catch cans, E.G.R blanking plates.

@alanbrookes6637 2 жыл бұрын

Two schools of thought re catch cans : some mechanical people suggest the EGR valve benefits from some oil, others say no oil or minimal oil (due to Catch can) is better for the ERG valve. Your thoughts?

@XploringOz 2 жыл бұрын

I see what you mean, however I would maintain that the EGR does not require any oil, whether or not it benefits from it is another point. However the EGR was designed to run without oil and will do just fine as such. I would still rather the benefits from a catch can over the potential small benefit. Only my opinion and happy to debate, but that's my train of thought. Cheers, Nathan.

@guitarman376 8 ай бұрын

Anyone know of a catch can like the provent, but with seals designes for gasoline engines? I love the large port size ans overall design but have read the gaskets won't hold up to gasoline vapor blow-by.

@mufasa238 3 жыл бұрын

Sir I've got a question. If your engine already have a PCV (pression control valve), would the Provent's PCV system alter its functioning ? or any other consequences ? thanks.

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

Negative, the factory system will still work as designed by Toyota. It will just be accepting much cleaner and less oily air into the intake of the vehicle. Thanks, Nathan.

@tracylewisperformance1328 2 жыл бұрын

A tip you may not realize, what a good air/oil separator catches is a mix of app. 70% water and acids, sulfuric the most common. 23% is raw unburnt fuel...dilutes engine oil reducing viscosity, and 7% is actually oil, but the oil is saturated with abrasive particulate matter (soot, carbon, ash) and to return this concentration of damage and wear causing contaminants is a horrible thing to do. The filter cannot trap and remove these except particulate matter in the 19-14micron size. Most of what is contained is smaller than 8 microns so not an effective filtration process so this is reintroducing the combustion byproducts as a concentrate back into the crankcase is very detrimental over time. All PCV systems have a "clean/fresh" side where filtered fresh MAF metered air enters one bank or one portion of the crankcase, and the "foul/dirty" side that the foul contaminate laden vapors are evacuated (sucked out). Fresh incoming air flushes and makes up for the contaminate laden vapors. If left in the crankcase they quickly settle and mix with the engine oil. You have a great understanding of much of this, but this design in theory sounds great, it is detrimental to engine longevity. EMail me direct at: APDEG@aol.com and will share much more with you. So many misconceptions in relation to how to address oil ingestion, etc. Thanks!

@tierandonnelly1420 3 жыл бұрын

Hey mate. What size hose you running from the engine to the catch can. Thanks

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

Hey mate, so I'm running 19mm fuel grade hose (this was supplied with this kit). Cheers, Nathan.

@tierandonnelly1420 3 жыл бұрын

@@XploringOz Thanks Nathan

@janithperumathanthri7225 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Nathan. Just installed a provent to my 200. Have you noticed a difference in engine noise?

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

Hey mate, negative. I haven't noticed any increase in engine noise or any other effects. Is this something you have noticed?

@cuvame 3 жыл бұрын

Dont you think the provent filter and outlet pipe is too near? The air sucked from the outlet could possibly get the oil from the filter or a droplet of oil near the rubber end of the filter? What do you think?

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

I see what you mean, but I don’t think that there is much, if any chance of liquid oil getting into the outlet pipe. The pressure within the unit isn’t very high. Keeping a close eye on the oil level and not letting it get to high is one key to keeping a healthy system. I will be doing another catch can video soon with my review and results from the Provent along with a vapour test both pre and post catch can 👍 Cheers, Nathan.

@cuvame 3 жыл бұрын

@@XploringOz thank you mate. Happy New Year!!

@RockAndRollFirebird 10 ай бұрын

The inlet is the bottom one, the outlet is the upper one. There is a mistake said in the video.

@davidmitchell4498 2 жыл бұрын

Great video! after trying several bands, there is no doubt in my mind that the Provent is far superior than the rest. Had one in my old Patrol. Had PROVENT 200 installed in my LC 79 before it was even registered.

@XploringOz 2 жыл бұрын

I agree, they have definitely produced a solid unit here!

@AU_4591 3 жыл бұрын

Excellant video. Non biased video unlike others ive seen where others are " sponsored " I noticed you have closed of the drain tap with brass plug. Where do i get one and what thread is it?

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, appreciate the comments. I do try and remain independent and not motivated or persuaded by sponsorship. Yes, the brass drain plug was supplied with my kit on initial purchase. I have spoken with someone else who also didn't get this. They contact Western Filters about it and they sent one out to them free of charge. Might be worth making contact if you bought one through them?

@AU_4591 3 жыл бұрын

@@XploringOz Thanks XploringOz. I purchased my PV 200via the dealer in Southern Highlands NSW. Will contact western filters ans see if they can provide one for me

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

@@AU_4591 Yeah, see if Western Filters can help you out, from all accounts I've heard they have been very helpful.

@ozstriker4075 Ай бұрын

The mann catch can is undoubtedly of a better filter design, but it will have a greater resistance for the crankcase pressure and intake vacuum to overcome. But overall I like the design of it and might consider it for my N54 engines bmw

@jedmagoo2759 3 жыл бұрын

Does anyone have an opinion on the Flash Lube Catch Can Pro which is effectively a Provent 100 made under licence. The documentation from Flash Lube states that the LC 200 flow rate is between 70-120L /min and the Catch Can Pro can handle in excess of 230L/ min. If that's the case is there any need to go for the larger provent 200. Plus the Catch can Pro being a smaller unit fits near the fuel filter therefore much shorter hoses are needed.

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

Good question. I can't say I've had any experience or know others that have fitted this unit. Will be interesting to follow this thread to see what others say. Cheers, Nathan.

@madeleyinc 3 жыл бұрын

The provent 100 works fine but has to be maintained more often as it collector doesn't hold much dirty oil.

@mitsubeastmx2667 3 жыл бұрын

Hi guys, what about the TerraTuff Catch can? Are the ProVent catch can better? The TerraTuff looks way better, but I am after the performance over the looking

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

G'day mate. So no particular reason we didn't choose this version. It definitely looks the part, that's for sure and obviously uses a similar filter type filtration system. I also note that it costs even more than the HPD or the Provent (which is already expensive). Also, I was persuaded with the fact that I know the results were accurate from the independent testing conducting by Murdoch University. Cheers, Nathan.

@papaloo2000 3 жыл бұрын

Good video, can you please share link to the SAE site...

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

Hey mate, so you can source the document from SAE - www.sae.org/publications/technical-papers/content/03-12-01-0001/ You'll have to download it, but it's all free. Cheers, Nathan.

@praddzzz 3 жыл бұрын

Any idea where to buy these for Asia( International)customers ? How are the provent 100 oil catch cans?

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

Sorry mate, I wouldn’t know where to get them for international customers.

@fourbypete 2 жыл бұрын

My friend has a air compressor installed in that position and the HPD catch can installed where yours was. I had no idea that the HPD system was so inefficient.

@XploringOz 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, the HPD still does its job a little, but definitely worth swapping over in my opinion.

@fourbypete 2 жыл бұрын

@@XploringOz Yeah, my Jeep has the provent. I still need to clean my intake from the previous owner who had a steinbauer chip on it but no catch can.

@brandon1043 Жыл бұрын

Where did you get the cap for the drain tube? Thanks

@XploringOz Жыл бұрын

Hey mate, this came supplied with my unit 🤷‍♂️

@tabghani3638 2 жыл бұрын

Bro any catch can made by metal will absorb heat from engine compartment which will increase the oil vapour going to intake system... better to use plastic and install it in the coolest place in engine compartment.. however the blowby gas rich the PCV valve with full of heat, toxic gases ,oil fumes and steam must to be condensation in the (OCC ) oil catch can.. the more cold OCC the more steam condensation will be operated, therefore it's recommended and advised to use plastic one with install it in the coolest place such as in front of engine compartment behind the head lights. Not to firewall cuz of high temperature..regards for all🙏 God bless you

@davidclay1362 7 ай бұрын

your science is wrong

@bradleyswift1986 3 жыл бұрын

use the provent 200 on my brand new Triton gets around 125ml of oil and condensation around 5000kms Can't fault the provent also got the diesel pre filter

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

That's a huge amount. At least you know thats not all going through the intake now! They are great kits. Cheers, Nathan.

@14880 28 күн бұрын

What is the reason so many people say you should not install a catch can?

@targetoz5470 3 жыл бұрын

Great vid thank you. How is the 200 since it's been on for awhile, any side effects? Collecting oil ok? Why I ask about side effects is, what happens to the air flow once the filter begins to fill up, my way of thinking is that crankcase pressure would build up and cause issues because the engine can't release the pressure back into the intake. Please share your thoughts about this. Cheers Steve.

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Steve, your comments are appreciate. So far, it's been working well. There has been no indication of any issues and it is still collecting oil at a very efficient rate. A couple of things regarding the air flow, firstly keep in mind the airflow from the crankcase is relatively low pressure. There is no extreme pressure or flow coming from the crankcase and therefore the air has plenty of time and availability to flow through the filter without issue. Further, the Provent 200 (largest unit) has a large filter and is designed to maintain flow and filtration even when fully soaked. If in the unlikely instance there was a build up of pressure, these units are fitted with a pressure control value that will by-pass the filter and allow gasses to flow without filtration. Although this would defy the point of fitting this unit, it is much better than risking engine damage. Cheers, Nathan.

@medveds1 3 жыл бұрын

I find it amazing that even in the testing the provent offered the highest flow and driest air over the cyclone types. It was just in my thinking of how do you push air through an oiled filter but I hazard a guess that the systems filter and design obviously works. Thanks for your input.

@michaelk1266 3 жыл бұрын

Purchased the same kit about a month ago but it didn’t come with a screw on end cap for the drain valve. Did that come with your kit?

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, the screw cap did come with the kit. I assuming your kit was also from Western Filters? If so, I'm sure if you contacted them they would help you out.

@michaelk1266 3 жыл бұрын

@@XploringOz yes it’s from western filters too.

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelk1266 Hmm... must of missed that from your kit. I'd recommend getting in contact, be interesting to see what they say.

@michaelk1266 3 жыл бұрын

@@XploringOz just sent them a message, will see what they say. I just noticed that your drain valve has a gold color whilst mine is silver. I'm worried that without the end cap oil might drip out and create a mess. One thing I could do is zip tie the valve pointing upwards to avoid that.

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelk1266 Hmm, that is interesting. I’ve also heard that the valve can sometimes leak, so it would be beneficial to have that cap. Hopefully they help you out 👍

@deathsbane0 3 жыл бұрын

Will installing a catch can or diesel pre-filter void the warranty?

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

This is probably something best confirmed with your manufacturer. Although with all the safety features of the Provent 200, specifically the over pressure valve the unit is theoretically very safe for the vehicle, but whether the manufactures see it that way is another matter. I have found that manufactures are often quick to blame any aftermarket accessory that has been added to a vehicle to cover for known, or unknown manufacturing faults. Again, probably best to check with dealer. Thanks, Nathan.

@einfelder8262 3 жыл бұрын

No.

@1pkcosmo 2 жыл бұрын

Good video however the provent is susceptible to user error. But so is hpd. The provent is awesome however if the filter is not changed regularly with oil changes then it's effectiveness decreases. I have tried both on my 79 but room is now an issue and have gone back to the hpd. To overcome the drain issue I have tapped a spigot into the bottom to drain.

@XploringOz 2 жыл бұрын

For sure both are susceptible to user error and their is additional ongoing maintenance with the Provent, but I have found it to be significantly more effective. Good idea with the addition of a drain bung in the HPD though, would make it much easier. Cheers, Nathan.

@ausguy4385 3 жыл бұрын

I dont get the oil back to motor option. Mine has heaps of condensation depending on weather. Why would you want anything but 100% clean oil in the motor.

@holgermuller2987 3 жыл бұрын

T W Adelaide , point noted with the condensation when you open the cover you can see it very clear. But I haven’t figured out yet if the condensates water really drains downwards or goes back into the engine. My drain oil looks black and not visible water coming out while opening the cockvalve. May you have more time drained your system then me till now only 2x and could shed some more light on your findings about water in the down pipe. Cheers

@ausguy4385 3 жыл бұрын

@@holgermuller2987 its almost all water some times. When it's black it still not 100% oil, it's quite water like and looks like both oil and water mixed together. Either way you collect what 50ml at most in 10k at worst case blow by, that's not even really going to lower the oil level that much to worry about.

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

Another great consideration and something I forgot to mention in the video. Condensation can be a issue for some people and it's definitely not something that you want to be re-circulating through the engine oil. Thanks for watching and commenting, Nathan.

@krump7429 3 жыл бұрын

Cause its illegal to vent to atmosphere 😂😂

@broke123 3 жыл бұрын

I'm waiting on delivery of a new 4x4 and yesterday I went in to ask the dealer if me installing a catch can would void my warranty and he went on a speech about how catch cans aren't required on modern diesels etc etc. I don't think it will void my warranty, but I might go talk to the service department instead of the salesman next time. I feel like it's a worth while mod.

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, salesmen are taught to promote the vehicles and their systems in their stock format. Most salesman won't agree that the vehicle 'needs' all these extra modifications straight from factory. I've done another video on my Provent 200 and you can see how much this system has caught - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mLBliapnus64dWQ.html

@masondegaulle5731 2 жыл бұрын

In my opinion the lack of transparency in the servicing required to keep a modern diesel happy is just straight up dishonest. Absolutely fit a catch-can, otherwise the PCV and EGR just play “how fast can we choke up the intake”.

@LachieBon 2 ай бұрын

I had a Provent on my Ford Ranger, the fibre filter clogged nearly straight away and created too much crankcase pressure which made my injector seals leak and a loss in power, (I’ve heard the same about other 4WD) would not recommend a Provent as I would rather have my engine last longer and I would get a more generic catch can to not build up the crankcase pressure.

@scottjuice9710 8 ай бұрын

If the screen blocks up you get crankcase pressure and stuff your upper and lower main seal.

@XploringOz 7 ай бұрын

This is true and that's why its important to keep up regular maintenance 👍

@jarrod1687 3 жыл бұрын

Ive got the provent and i still get oil go through, they arnt going to catch everything mate

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

For sure. Nothing will catch all of it. The case study by Curtin Uni corroborates the fact that it will only catch 98%. But this is still a heap better than the HPD. It would be crazy to not want the best and most effective if you’ve made the choice to fit a catch can.

@jarrod1687 3 жыл бұрын

@@XploringOz absolutely, i compared the hpd the provent when i was looking. The hpd looks nice and blingy, but the performance of the provent won me over, not to mention it looks nearly like a factory fittid item being black plastic. The filter is where the magic happens i think

@Evandro909112 3 жыл бұрын

Onde consigo comprar qual site!?

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

Então eu comprei meu kit aqui: www.westernfilters.net.au/provent-kits/ não tenho certeza se eles são enviados para o mundo todo ...

@familieaa1968 3 жыл бұрын

شكرا جزيلا

@lesleycotter3387 2 жыл бұрын

The part that bothers me is the next sentence you DIDN'T highlight @15:35, and that is "All catch can-type separators and the cyclone imposed HIGH RESISTANCE to air flow in the system, coupled with low capture efficiency, which resulted in a poor quality factor for BOTH types of devices. This is the part that concerns me. I know the Provent 200 has a release spring/valve, but according to the above report the cannister will always be under high resistant positive pressure. Correct me if I am 100% wrong but surely that cannot be good for your motor or seals?

@XploringOz 2 жыл бұрын

I understand your concerns regarding the pressure build up, but I would recommend reading the full report as they do talk about the pressure values of these units. Although yes, there is a slight increase in the pressure from the CVS, it is far from 'high' pressure. Firstly the CVS only emits a small amount of vapour, it's not an intake or exhaust system, simply extracting vapour that has passed the piston rings. Secondly, if abiding by Mann&Hummell instructions and changing the filter every 30000km (or circumstantial) then your filter is unlikely to get blocked and cause issues. As you have mentioned any significant or dangerous increase in pressure within the unit will be relieved by the PCV rather than causing damage. Obviously there is the possibility of units failing and creating pressure build ups, where issues can arise, however the normal day to day operation trouble free will be relatively safe for your engine and seals. Cheers, Nathan.

@marcusbarnes5929 2 жыл бұрын

Is the provent better the hbd?

@XploringOz 2 жыл бұрын

In my opinion and testing, definitely. Safer and more efficient.

@Sabumnim666 3 жыл бұрын

Great study the only part that is not in the study is a time result so after say 5000km driven exactly the same on same vehicle what is the efficiency there is simply no possibility of a cloth filter retaining the initial efficiency in any manner. The metal filter would change but to a lesser degree. So unless you change the cloth or paper or what ever material is used frequently then I do not see the results being as accurate as claimed. Could be wrong but perhaps it should be tested.

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe, however my understanding of this type of filter is it is not designed to 'catch' and hold the oil vapours within the filter media, however covert it from a gas to a liquid form to enable it to be captured in the collection bowl. Whether or not the media is soaked with oil or not, in my opinion, would have little bearing on whether it can continue this conversion process. I agree with you though, I can't state as fact as I haven't tested it and it's potentially another great test to have a look at in the future. Cheers, Nathan.

@Sabumnim666 3 жыл бұрын

@@XploringOz Great to exchange views and ideas with a sensible person I have been watching your channel and really like it. I had the metal one in my last Pajero and it worked really well but I did not get any oil in the outlet pipe but I also cleaned that at each draining of the revivor. I found that can to be very well made and seemed to work really well.

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

@@Sabumnim666 In the end, everyone will have their own opinion and thoughts on the matter, but without variation all our vehicles would look identical... As long as the solution you have is working for your application, that's all that really matters in the end. Glad to hear to your's has worked thus far.

@derichhofmann4667 5 ай бұрын

It boggles my mind that these catch cans are being installed at higher elevations than the PCV valve and intercooler. I get that it’s for the convenience, but to get the absolute best results, seems like you want all the hoses to drain AWAY and back towards the can vs the engine ports. The larger the diameter of hose and can itself, the slower the contaminated air can move thus increasing the time available for it to drop out its contaminants. Likewise, the more surface area the contaminated air passes across (whether filter media or hose length) the more separation occurs. Offset friction loss (pressure) of longer hoses with greater diameter hoses/fittings/ports. But as is, these typical installations of high quality cans are better for the engines long term efficiency than no can.

@johnwayne8475 Жыл бұрын

Dam I'm spewing, I just bought the HPD unit for $400 because of the shiny aluminum and thought it was good quality. I should have done my homework before buying 😢

@XploringOz Жыл бұрын

They definitely look good. Look in the end, they do something, but not as effective as others on the market. 👍

@PeterKnagge 8 ай бұрын

I have an HPD catch can & I'm not going to get too hung up about it. Not only does the HPD look significantly better in an engine bay unlike plastic it's never going to crack. Less maintenance, & no added extra costs buying a new filter repeatedly (+$80 new filter every 20,000 to 40,000 kms). The "internet experts" now say catch cans don't make that much of a difference. It's true that whatever you do there's going to be carbon built-up. It's just an inherent drawback of all ICE vehicles.

@bennonlapworth5026 4 ай бұрын

Im with @peter. Many say the catch cans arnt good/ dont do a lot. I have a HPD in the paj and there is no problem at accessing the bowl. On top of that what happens when you dont replace the filter (most dont)?

@frankjaegar1805 3 жыл бұрын

Provent all the way mate, iv got a provent 200 on my 79 series, and my wife has the procent 200 also on her LC Prado. Iv got a HPD on my other vehicle which is a Triton, and it doesn't catch anywhere near as much oil.

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I can imagine that. These studies speak for themselves. Hopefully I’ll be able to do some really world testing comparisons soon 👍

@Billydevito 3 жыл бұрын

And...................... the Mann Hummel Pro Vent 200 is around $180. If you find it for less, like on eBay, it’s is NOT a genuine Pro Vent 200, but an inferior Chinese copy often with wire gauze filter that is not as effective as the original.

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

Very true. This is definitely not a modification that I would be saving money and buying the cheap knock off. The genuine filter and system is the one you want to get.

@angusnz7910 3 жыл бұрын

Possibly a daft question...with the oil sitting on your old lines I can see as you did, it flowing in into the engine. Is there a reason why the can can’t be placed lower so it can only flow downhill into the can? Draining might be a bitch if you don’t have a drain tube, but would this not stop the first issue or does it create other problems? It’s not a 4x4 but I’ve got a VW twin turbo (240hp) engine in a Passat I’ve had tuned and want to catch any blow-by. I’ve heard so much shit for and against so rather ask someone who has done it, rather than someone who just sells them

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

Hey mate, so I guess this would technically work. Saying this though, I believe the liquified oil is only a portion of what is entering the engine in the form of vapour. Mounting it lower might incrementally increase the oil captured, however the oil passing through in the form of vapour would still enter the intake. Although not specific tested, this is what I believe would occur. Cheers, Nathan.

@TheSaltySailfish 3 жыл бұрын

ahhhh balls just put a hpd on my 200 looks like santas getting the provent for me then

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

It'll still do the job. But (video coming soon) the Provent does appear to be more effective on a daily driver in my experience.

@psy06 3 жыл бұрын

its crazy how car manufacturers dont think catch can is necessary on their vehicles. should have been installed in the factory

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

For sure, I agree. With the R&D funds they have you would think they would be able to come up with some sort of reasonable solution.

@einfelder8262 3 жыл бұрын

They want the maintenance work cleaning out the inlets when they have choked up. Big bucks to be had.

@mickhofman Жыл бұрын

HPD Filter is rubbish.. updated mine for a provent 200 and picked up heaps more oil..

@cullengarrick9036 3 жыл бұрын

The oil going threw the pcv vent to catch can is of the same oil quality as in the sump there is no increased amounts of burnt oil also the hpd doesn't need a pcv valve as the factory rocker covers are fitted with one unless manufacturers deem it not needed

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

Fair enough, appreciate the feedback. Further, I believe the PCV valve is fitted to the Provent can to regulate the pressure as there is more resistance from this filter when compared with the filtering system in the HPD. Due to the HPD's lower resistance and 'open' styled filter, there would be no need to regulate any pressure, as it would stay relatively similar to that of the factory design. Cheers, Nathan.

@littlefishinggoat5409 3 жыл бұрын

It's not just oil that it catches but combustion byproduct condensate. Generally very acidic and will quickly degrade the TBN of oil. I would not recirculate it back into the engine. It is not of the same quality as the oil circulating in the engine.

@cascaderetriever7618 3 ай бұрын

Moshimoto makes best one. Those mesh filters will clog and cause major issues.

@krimke881 2 жыл бұрын

So you title the video "Why I’m swapping", but fails to inform why and instead direct us to a different video? The closest I can find is that the old one was installed wrongly?

@BlatFlattery 3 жыл бұрын

My hpd can is now a pencil pot, replaced with provent.

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

Haha, I can understand why you've done this though. I'm sure the Provent will outperform the HPD any day. Cheers, Nathan.

@DonHavjuan 2 жыл бұрын

THe provent also has a chinese copy which works just as well for less than 1/10th the price.

@XploringOz 2 жыл бұрын

There is, but you would want to make sure you are confident in the system, particularly the bypass system. If anything happens and pressure builds up, that small initially saving could be lost if problems were to arise...

@wylie_dog134 Жыл бұрын

Wow, you only collected 80ml of oil from 10-12000ks of driving. I have a HPD Can fitted to my Pajero Sport and regularly collect 110-120ml every 7500ks at each service I do. It appears that my HPD Can works fine as I have compared this with others using the Provent and no real difference in amount of oil caught between them. Just Sayin.....

@bennonlapworth5026 4 ай бұрын

What happens when you dont change the filters that cost a lot more $$$? I bet most people dont change them as often as they should. The provent does look like it is more efficient but its a regular cost and a BIG UGLY unit.

@XploringOz 4 ай бұрын

For sure, you need to stay on top of the servicing otherwise it will cause further issues

@ozstriker4075 Ай бұрын

No catch can, can catch and retain 'all' of the oil

@krump7429 3 жыл бұрын

80mls for 10,000 kms. Wow thats garbage. My provent gets about 125mls or so per 5000kms. The hpd can is a shiny baked bean tin can to help stroke the ego of flogs who like shiny parts in their engine bay. Provent all the way.

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

I’m sure the Provent will prove it’s worth in the next 10000kms.

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

cold gold kb Yikes! Harsh review mate. Your right, I’m sure all the scientists at Curtain University were just making up the results and the HPD is equal to all the rest… 🤦‍♂️ Very much looking forward to your expert informed review. Cheers, Nathan.

@dustyfarmer 3 жыл бұрын

I run a Provent 200 on my Landcruiser VDJ79R and find it collects more oil vapour the thinner the oil. I run a Castrol 10W-40 during the frosty months & Castrol 15W-40 during the warmer periods & summer, I reckon I might run 15W-40 all year round once my stock of 10W is exhausted, 15W-40 seems to be the best & comes out the cleanest at 5000K intervals.

@XploringOz 3 жыл бұрын

@@dustyfarmer Interesting to hear, something that might be worth testing out in the future. Cheers.

@user-jr2gt9nw8b 8 ай бұрын

You removed and installed Air/oil separator, not a “catch can”. There is a difference. If you’re putting out content you do have a level of responsibility to your audience in its accuracy. Do better.

@AndrewSparkfish 5 ай бұрын

What's the difference?

@user-jr2gt9nw8b 5 ай бұрын

@@AndrewSparkfish google it, little boy.

@familieaa1968 3 жыл бұрын

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