As an electronics/embedded designer it hurts somewhat to see this beautiful tough MIL-SPEC technology, only manufactured to the highest of standards.... to be running for just a few minutes...
@JohnVance9 ай бұрын
I was thinking that, too. Only has to work once!
@anotherguy94029 ай бұрын
Why do you think our taxes are so high? Kind of remind you of a tea party.... Almost like the USA had become the very things it was founded against being. Because humans are dumb animals and tune into media or social opinions which and tuned by media.
@mfx19 ай бұрын
@@andreyukhov9403 Or it kills innocent people.
@NozomuYume9 ай бұрын
Even if you were the most evil person in existence, and determined to commit war crimes, you wouldn't waste a Jav against noncombatants. It's just too valuable a resource to waste like that.
@user-12819 ай бұрын
@-_a-a_- ?
@thecriss889 ай бұрын
I am not sure what makes me more surprised: the amount of hig-spec electronic components in that thing, or the fact that this guy got into possession of a missile guidance computer.
@casel41549 ай бұрын
@@wyrdscynce russian propaganda
@casel41549 ай бұрын
@@nawnaw4709 putin huilo
@jackmclane18269 ай бұрын
You can get everything for money in Ukraine right now. And no, that is not Russia propaganda. Just the reality of war and what happens when a murderous thug attacks his neighbors.
@docendodisco-it9 ай бұрын
@@casel4154 Ucraine war is pushed, wanted and needed just by the US. All the rest is NATO propaganda.
@arturscherbakov25439 ай бұрын
@@wyrdscynce keep cope, dude
@stephenl70489 ай бұрын
40 years ago I took delivery of a box at my place of business in Belfast. I was expecting a resin sample from a chemical company and the box arrived by conventional courier. Instead it contained multiple carefully packaged cylindrical electronic devices. The address label for my firm had been stuck over the original destination "Short Brothers", a local defence contractor. The contained covering letter revealed the sender to be Graseby Dynamics, an English defence contractor, and the contents were described as the revised design of the Javelin missile warhead firing mechanism. I contacted Shorts and the police. and within 30 minutes my premises were crawling with plain clothes state security. The items were taken away and I was interviewed at some length. Somehow the press got hold of the story and it made the front page of the local paper. My business partner was by coincidence a friend of a department head in Shorts. He later revealed that a government junior minister had lost his job over this, and there had been several individuals severely disciplined both at Shorts and Graseby. I never did get my resin sample.
@HermanWillems9 ай бұрын
Ever checked if one of those contractors had the resin sample? :)
@user-tz8nm3nr9f9 ай бұрын
You could make a better deal, if you called Russian embassy instead.
@udirt9 ай бұрын
the last sentence really bites :-)
@nigeljames60179 ай бұрын
Working in Northern Ireland during that period must have been quite a mind blowing (no sick pun intended) experience. I was working on the mainland and it was bad enough there if you were a defense government employee.
@wingcommanderbob82689 ай бұрын
The Javelin you saw parts for was actually an entirely different missile, a MANPADS developed in the 80's based on (and as a replacement for) the notoriously shit Blowpipe
@ThePhiliposophy9 ай бұрын
This guy is a genius. Not only is he a great engineer, he is also the inventor of the French accent!
@marinoceccotti91559 ай бұрын
He speaks English because you know this language. You speak it because it's the only one you know.
@bmbiz9 ай бұрын
@@marinoceccotti9155 Seems like you took that (bad) joke a bit too personally.
@DD08DK8 ай бұрын
He will likely just laugh in your general direction, while tapping his head and calling you silly.
@CuriousMarc8 ай бұрын
Be kind to my friend Michel. He is making a great effort to do these videos in English, which is obviously not his native language, so he can share the amazing technology inside all his unusual items with the rest of us. You should give him a pat on the back.
@nullmeasure61558 ай бұрын
In typical fashion I laughed at the bad joke and I also agree with everyone saying Michel is awesome! Maybe this reveals me as a crass American but I don't see the harm in that kind of ribbing. I laugh whenever I'm reminded my accent sounds funny to Europeans, never thought it should be a sore point for people that we all sound odd from far enough away. I love this kind of content, I'm a huge fan of novel and interesting computers!
@EEVblog9 ай бұрын
Wow, great teardown, thanks for sharing.
@willynebula61939 ай бұрын
Hey dave. We'd have no chance ever scoring anything close to something like this in oz, ay? Did you ever get mil spec boards in a mailbag? I vaguely remember something or am i thinking of some high end telecom boards from a mailbag vid.
@anandasri13309 ай бұрын
@EEVblog hi dave like to see ur version of this 😁😁
@yaghiyahbrenner89029 ай бұрын
@@anandasri1330 this would never make it through Australian customs.never.
@BS-my2ky9 ай бұрын
@@yaghiyahbrenner8902 ship in pieces
@maximus68845 ай бұрын
I hope he gives it to you for free for 2nd tear down. You can get it working and send it to the sky
@grahamnichols14169 ай бұрын
"These are very rare. If you find one, you have to pay the price." But you pay an even greater price if one finds you.
@fridaycaliforniaa2368 ай бұрын
Damn, I was about to say that XD
@michaelwan42688 ай бұрын
pay him even greater price and ask him to withdraw this so that you can say it again :) @@fridaycaliforniaa236
@icecube36458 ай бұрын
Lol👍
@alb92298 ай бұрын
Looks like it prefers to find the earth 🤣
@sallehsallehnewton32588 ай бұрын
Javelin is so powerful weapon so the Ukrainian has to use Chinese drone to deliver it's warhead
@RaquelFoster9 ай бұрын
I used to work for an avionics contractor. It’s interesting how similar this is to modern hardware … yet also very different. Everything has FPGAs with 16-layer conformal-coated boards. It all has a 1553/1760 bus with expensive parts and a lot of redundancy (compared to consumer stuff). But look at all those ribbon cables and interfaces! In 2007 we were already working on 16Gb fibre interfaces because the F-35 needed the bandwidth. But many years before that we were making missiles with a lot more resistance to EMI than this appears to have. But it’s a funny mix of new and old. I used to have to look up specs in manuals from 1973.
@TheAlexBell9 ай бұрын
I was surprised by these ribbon cables too. Aren't they vulnerable to acceleration overload?
@mxcollin959 ай бұрын
That’s really interesting. 👍 Thanks for sharing.
@mxcollin959 ай бұрын
I’ve heard one of the limiting factors now for the F35 is that it’s maxed out in its ability to get rid of all the excess heat created by the avionics/computers. I would bet there’s only so much bleed air from the single jet engine that they’re willing to sacrifice to be used to power & cools all the electronics.
@entcraft449 ай бұрын
@@TheAlexBell Remember it only has to fly once. On the pictures it looks like the flat cables are covered with tape on the outside of the missile, so there is no drag on them. And the unsupported parts inside the body are probably light enough, with large soldered contact area. The cables also are a lot sturdier than the flimsy things you find in modern laptops and smartphones.
@vadimemelin29419 ай бұрын
But why would you use FPGA in mass production? I thought that you only do FPGAs for rapid prototyping and after you are sure about the hardware you've emulated, you can just mass produce it instead
@douro209 ай бұрын
It's a 1980s design. Everything used was the absolute state of the art at the time, and from what I read there were a lot of problems with it. Even the most modern version has unresolved issues. The biggest part on the board with the DSP is most likely a TMS34010, a general-purpose 32-bit CPU with special graphics instructions which was just going into production back when this was being developed. The IDT parts on a few of the other boards are most certainly dual-port RAMs and the VLSI chips will be custom glue logic.
@justinhealey-htcohio37989 ай бұрын
Hey, overall as I've watched the Ukraine War I have been researching and learning obsessively about every weapon system in existence.... The thing I don't understand is with the advancement of technology, microcontrollers & especially computer vision object tracking available to the market nowadays, wouldn't it be possible to MASS PRODUCE something similar to a javelin for less than $2,000? **(A daytime version at least)? I understand a high-end Mid Wave Thermal IR Image Seeker operating at 60-120FPS would be ITAR restricted & add $10k to the overall cost but, still should not cost more than $15k total today... It seems like most of the cost associated with these guided systems is the software and algorithms....
@Jerry_from_analytics9 ай бұрын
@@justinhealey-htcohio3798 electronics and cameras did get cheaper over years and you could possibly improvise something with consumer grade parts. However, rest of the missile - gyros, shaped charge, soft launch solid rocket motor, some machined parts, some servos for those fins still do not fit into anything under $2000. And don't forget the control unit ("CLU") which has some good optics to enable targeting from up to 2.5 miles.
@christopherdonald90019 ай бұрын
Not an expert, but my guess is that at least part of the high cost is related to hardening the electronics and software. Both against environmental conditions and electronic warfare.
@justinhealey-htcohio37989 ай бұрын
@@Jerry_from_analytics Yeah, I've built many different drones (Large and small)... I would have to think that modern consumer grade MCU & MEMS inertial/gyro stabilization IC's Could replace most of the components on the Javelin today. I was really surprised that he said it's a 64x64 image sensor ADC which really isn't that high of resolution by today's standards. It really is extraordinary what they were able to accomplish back in the 1980s...
@lawrencemanning9 ай бұрын
Date of manufacture on at least the big quads is 1997, so I’d guess it’s an early 90s design at the latest?
@northamericanpichu9 ай бұрын
This really proves that the missile knows where it is.
@petterskjolden68849 ай бұрын
and where it isn't
@firetecstudios11469 ай бұрын
@@PeechaLaCosh The javelin is self-guiding.
@BigSmartArmed9 ай бұрын
That missile was recovered after it was fired and it missed.
@bmbiz9 ай бұрын
@@BigSmartArmed No. It would be in small pieces if that happened.
@bobroberts85008 ай бұрын
I don't think we're in Keiv, anymore, Toto.
@CheapSushi9 ай бұрын
Random but aesthetically I really love the big multi-chip era of computer hardware. Just looks so interesting.
@Coecoo9 ай бұрын
That's because they were designed by humans and not computers back then.
@cpte37299 ай бұрын
@@Coecoo No, still humans. The chips just got smaller. What, you thought boards with tons of chips were designed that way because they looked better and "soulless machines" with no sense of aesthetics took it from us? Obviously what happened was chips got smaller, more powerful, more efficient to the point multiple could be stacked on the same die, that we needed less of them
@4nto4189 ай бұрын
@@Coecoo More like because the combined power of the entire thing doesn't even hold a candle to a dusty raspberry pi, and less chips = less failure points and less interconnects to manage.
@ILoveTinfoilHats8 ай бұрын
@@cpte3729not entirely humans. Most of the fitting and layout is computer generated because they're much better at optimizing for timing. And they're rarely "stacked", just placed side by side on the same chip interconnected.
@Coecoo8 ай бұрын
@@cpte3729 Nope, completely false. Please do your research before talking nonsense. A solid 90% or more chip designs these days are entirely computer generated. Pretty much the only input human has in their creation are entering parameters for the computers to follow, like designating areas for where cable ports need to be. A large part of the unfeasibility of having human-designed things is large parts thanks to the mainstreaming of multilayered PCBs. Trying to teach humans to efficiently plan out tens of thousands of pathways in a layered 3D structure instead of having a computer do it is wishful thinking at best.
@ulbed9 ай бұрын
The "sensor" is a javelin rate gyro probably made by marconi. It contains flourocarbon fluid and gemstone bearings. The pink coating at 6:13 is beryllium oxide and is toxic like asbestos.
@user-ci6fj6kb9d9 ай бұрын
ПРО токсичность Асбеста ничего нам неведомо , до сих пор все крыши жилых домов в России сделаны из шифера , где асбест главный компонент , у нас есть даже Город Асбест .
@SWUnreal9 ай бұрын
@@user-ci6fj6kb9d wtf are you saying it's been proven since ages that asbestos is cancer (pun intended)
@ulbed9 ай бұрын
私があなたのコメントを読むと思ったら大間違いでした。@@user-ci6fj6kb9d
@germanomassullo96089 ай бұрын
how do you know it is made of beryllium?
@user-ux2wi9ze3n9 ай бұрын
@@user-ci6fj6kb9d There are two types of asbestos, chrysotilly and amphibol, the first is less toxic, and is now used. If it is processed in the speaker, then everything will be fine.
@IainMcClatchie9 ай бұрын
* The pink stuff gluing the metal plate to the carbon fiber body tube is heat transfer paste. * Those large VLSI parts are gate array parts rather than FPGAs. Gate arrays are midway between full-custom parts and FPGAs. VLSI used to make gate array chips where the silicon and maybe 1 or two metal layers were standardized, but the top couple of layers of metal were customized. So for the price of taping out (and making masks for) two metal layers, you could get a part with 100x the gate count of an FPGA, without having to pay the full cost (and manufacturing delay) of a full-custom 3-5 metal layer part. * Hardly any heat sinks! Most of this stuff didn't run long enough to get hot. Must of been a PITA to debug, since it probably got pretty hot during a debug session.
@zazio55358 ай бұрын
Submerge in mineral oil and do the debugging🤣
@derekedmondson99098 ай бұрын
The ‘GA’ in FPGA literally Stan’s for ‘Gate Array’. For cost reasons, it was probably cheaper to reproduce the GA in large numbers with the final configuration once the configuration cleared development and testing.
@IainMcClatchie8 ай бұрын
@@derekedmondson9909 Field Programmable Gate Arrays and Gate Arrays are different technologies. The names are misleading, but what can you do. Gate Arrays are quite a bit less expensive that FPGAs, and use a LOT less power, and are much higher performance. On the flip side, I can reprogram an FPGA in a minute, but a new gate array is... months and at least several hundred thousand dollars.
@AlexKarasev6 ай бұрын
@@derekedmondson9909 >"reproduce the GA in large numbers with the final configuration once the configuration cleared development and testing" There's a consideration of security as well - it being safer and actually cheaper to program the FPGAs yourself than to manage a secured trust relationship with a 3rd party for that function. Malicious code and hardware injection is a huge and growing problem in the field
@mikeselectricstuff9 ай бұрын
wow! Crazy expensive stuff. Definitely open the sensor - I assume it's a gyro/accelerometer of some sort
@cgourin9 ай бұрын
Maybe also hold a pressure and temperature probes, since the missile is expected to be used in al sorts of weather and the propellant, the detonators and the double shaped charges might need to be tweaked for very precise timing trigger.
@sonjakavalut9 ай бұрын
If Mike says waw...🤗 Looking forward for next part. Thank you.
@falrus9 ай бұрын
Maybe it would be reasonable to try to CT scan the sensor in a vet clinic before destroying it
@deang56229 ай бұрын
It's probably an orientation sensor so the missile knows which way it is pointing when it can't see the target. The missile trajectory is that it climbs up at a steep angle (in one of the modes of operation) and then pitches down and attacks the tank from above where the armour is thinner, and using infrared targeting. I suspect when the missile is in the climbing phase of its flight, the infrared seeker is not pointing at the target. So in this phase of flight, the infrared seeker head cannot see the target and cannot be used for control and guidance of the missile. The missile needs to know the pitch angle it is currently at so it can then be steered back down towards the target and the infrared seeker will be used to guide the missile in the terminal phase of flight. Just a theory
@chainetest87239 ай бұрын
Hello do you still have your work on the flir lepton ?
@nielsandersen61649 ай бұрын
A rare glimpse into a marvel of engineering that few people can ever truly appreciate. Please, do more of these!
@simongreen98628 ай бұрын
And anyone who DOES get to fully appreciate it, doesn't get to do so for very long.
@none_of_your_business8 ай бұрын
@@simongreen9862 plus this is not just all made by 1 person. Typically your average embedded software or hardware guy only has a narrow view into a couple of components that make up such a system. And the system engineer will probably have an overall understanding on how it all fits together but he wouldn't be able to reproduce the product by themselves. It's very much need-to-know basis.
@bloodynoobtubename9 ай бұрын
I was qualified in these back in my military days. After discharging I started a career in software engineering. I always wanted to understand the key components in the guidance system. Thank you for this.
@chrisdickens48629 ай бұрын
Very impressive. I love the aesthetic of purple ceramic and gold top ICs.
@NEMESIS20308 ай бұрын
I used to work for a precious metal recovery company and can tell you, those gold plated chips and edge connectors make these boards [as with most old military electronics] worth a fortune! Modern boards/chips are gold plated measured in microns... old military equipment were absolutely lacquered in gold
@odakyuodakyu66508 ай бұрын
i can imagine some Ukrainian guy firing the missile, then running at the speed of sound out his trench with a butterfly net.
@jw2008 ай бұрын
why use gold anyway? To protect from rust or?? we have stainless steel, a lot cheaper. I dont see the reason to use gold. whats the point?
@odakyuodakyu66508 ай бұрын
@@jw200 if you are using modern, expensive munitions, you need to make sure they work with no chance of failure.
@mattmurphy70308 ай бұрын
@@jw200gold is much more conductive than ss
@CuriousMarc8 ай бұрын
Nice find Michel. When only the best will do. Impressive electronics board and mini IMU!
@sooocheesy8 ай бұрын
I work on semiconductor manufacturing equipment and appreciate the technology required to make modern ICs.. but lets be honest, nothing is quite as cool as an Apollo guidance computer!
@niaz.shovon9 ай бұрын
Beautiful circuits. Never thought a missile would carry this level of sophisticated electronics.
@msylvain599 ай бұрын
Wow congratulations for this find, currently I have nothing better than Sidewinder rollerons on my watch list ! All the golden parts are space grade quality, all that for a single use device, how wastefull war is.
@h7qvi9 ай бұрын
Hey war is all about the gold plated military grade toilet seat 🚽 on the taxpayer's dime 😅
@DelyanT9 ай бұрын
The cost of the targets this missile is launched to is a lot higher than the actual missile.
@byterock9 ай бұрын
@@h7qvi All COTS stuff at first glance so really not that exotic. The actual cost to the military includes long term storage/packaging/training and disposal so that bumps the price way up. These thingy have to last for many decades in some drafty storage bunker and they have to survive the g-forces involved in launch all that adds up.
@doublehappiness98899 ай бұрын
@@DelyanT So it's even more wasteful, in that case. Or perhaps that's what you meant.
@PsRohrbaugh9 ай бұрын
Yeah, think about how much we wasted stopping the holocaust! Jeez. Sometimes war has it's place.
@Katanotkate9 ай бұрын
Tbh this is the kind of content i watch youtube for
@Fox-BZH8 ай бұрын
I'm french and i understand perfectly what you say in english. Curious. Thanks for the video, it's so beautiful !
@lelabodemichel51628 ай бұрын
Merci mon ami!
@jsmorin1119 ай бұрын
Best Amazon product unboxing ever.
@billtudor19539 ай бұрын
I had a professor that said he worked for a DoD contractor. He said they would calculate the memory requirements by the max memory allocation per second and multiply it by the max possible run time. Memory leak? No problem.
@mattmurphy70308 ай бұрын
I work in aerospace and there’s no such thing as a memory leak because dynamic memory allocation is forbidden
@CNe75322949 ай бұрын
American here with hands on experience in military electronic parts supply (night vision parts specifically). I'd recommend everyone saving this video. Nice on covering the serial too. Theres a dumb law (ITAR) we have that defines electronics (even well known decades old ones) as "arms" and must not be shared with foreign nationals (including allies) unless it has State Dept. approval. Since Google is an American company and we don't own any of what we ever upload, KZfaq may be forced to "bend the knee" to our "competent" (when it wants to be) gov't at some point (if it gets popular enough). Just wanted to point that out. I'm no lawyer but thats what I've always been told. Regardless I like this content. Thank you.
@CNe75322949 ай бұрын
I just wanted to further add that I don't know how sites like "thefirearmsblog" (TFB) gets away with tearing down and showcasing night/thermal/fusion vision devices amongst other things. Ones in current use (AN/PSQ-36s) were clearly "demilled" (literally they drilled the sensors). Older stuff (up to early 2010s) the gov't generally doesn't care for the most part (teardown sites and vids are still up). Heck I found a FWS-I technical manual pdf copy by Googling. But again you never know with both KZfaq and the US gov't. Or just in general (how bout megaupload).
@rimax829 ай бұрын
I was looking for coments on this topic. That was my first thought when I saw the title. I hope he will not be travelling to the US ;)
@chriswendschlag18569 ай бұрын
ITAR isnt dumb jealous one.
@valrabellkeys98679 ай бұрын
I'm also frequently around defense related electronics, specifically aerospace. This, given it's part of an active system, shouldn't be on the internet. Edit: I should add our adversaries certainly already has some of this stuff(plus the actually useful stuff would be the lines of code), but it's still a dark grey area that would just best be avoided.
@chriswendschlag18569 ай бұрын
@@valrabellkeys9867 yep this is a very bad idea.
@genenomidic13939 ай бұрын
Fascinating, I used to service the launchers (FCE) and training computers (analogue - op amps performing calculus) in the 80s, and it’s predecessor (blowpipe) but never got to see ordinance though 👍
@supersarge249 ай бұрын
This is the american anti-tank guided missile FGM-148 Javelin, not the British anti-air missile that you serviced. Still, thanks for sharing your story!
@sirdo9463 ай бұрын
@@supersarge24 Jav is used by the UK as well so that's probably why he said that
@SpamMouse9 ай бұрын
That thick PCB will have loads of circuit tracks, making a reverse engineering project near impossible - but I'm sure someone somewhere will have done that. Great video, thank you Michel.
@Av-vd3wk9 ай бұрын
What’s a circuit track?
@benthurber53639 ай бұрын
Not really an obstacle for a vacuum plate and a precision surface grinder. Take it down layer-by-layer and take pics.
@M4V3RiCkU2359 ай бұрын
Don`t underestimate the patience of a Chinese
@flyer6179 ай бұрын
Sure you can have highly skilled engineers reverse engineer a many years old design, but it might be better to use that talent to design a new device to the latest standards. The magic is really in the software though.
@bilalbaig85869 ай бұрын
NO need to reverwse engineer anythihng now. Today a 4 man team of decent engineers can achieve in 6 months what this thing was capable of back in the day. There is a KZfaqr who managed to propulsively land a model. I'm sure an ATGM would be an easier task for someone with those skills.
@0MoTheG9 ай бұрын
The guidance section on it's own is not regarded to be a weapon, but the seeker section is !
@MGOFor3ver8 ай бұрын
So calculations on this whole board had to be faster than the missile itself. Quite impressive for that era.
@josephmiddleton87549 ай бұрын
What a great find Michel! well done, Isn't it sad all that beautiful engineering for a destructive cause
@nick_yeah9 ай бұрын
How interesting.. I lost my last Javelin missile and now this turns up on my favourite tear down channel 🤔
@sylvainaltmayer25697 ай бұрын
Purée ! C'est de la belle électronique ! Ce sont des bijoux ! Merci pour le partage !
@colombianguy81949 ай бұрын
Absolutely fascinating. Thank you so much for this video, all the components and board arrangements are typical 90's high tech. My old IBM thinkpads are just like that, full of boards atop other boards full of big custom chips and components. 😊
@midclock8 ай бұрын
Sure, but those components are all of military grade, they are built to resist at broader ranges of temperatures....I'm not sure about the specs, but probably they are much better than any retail component of the same period!
@cheekarp21809 ай бұрын
Great video! That was so high end cutting edge stuff and crammed in that, I bet just manufacturing the carbon fiber shell made a few people tens of millions.
@AirzonesBlasters9 ай бұрын
Millions yeah, it would be dry fibre wrapped around a mandrel and run through an RTM press that would have been the bulk of the cost and charged up-front to the government. In the 90's / early 2000's they were probably using a template fixture for manual drilling and cutting, rather than CNC. The resin is probably phenolic and the PPE for the manual processing was probably pretty crap
@K-Riz3148 ай бұрын
I've been watching your channel for a few years and it looks like this video really took off for you. Glad to see it and hope it brings you the subs and views you deserve.
@Bordberti8 ай бұрын
Ich bin Eloka und Funkamateur. Ich finde diese Technik echt unglaublich interessant. Aktive Radar Steuerung, militärisches GPS, Wärmebild Auswertung, Flugsteuerung, ein Speicher für die Flug-Map.
@Max_Marz9 ай бұрын
Of course! Thats why I have those bits in my mega assortment, the javelin missle screwdriver tips! How could they forget the javelin missle screwdriver bits!
@Xsiondu9 ай бұрын
It's in my cart as we speak. Don't forget to order it as a high security type so you have the hole in the middle.
@adamwordsworth67329 ай бұрын
Same screws (Torq-set) are also on TOW missile airframe
@sfperalta8 ай бұрын
It's amazing the design details and electronics package that goes into these missiles to support their very, very brief operational life!
@blue3media8 ай бұрын
This is wild, but 100% true: my dad designed the aluminum assembly that holds the high-power transistors on the back end on the "C block" version.
@OverClockedShow8 ай бұрын
OMG, it is so interesting. so brilliant design! looking forward to seeing inside the gyro sensor too. thanks.
@anonymouscoward96439 ай бұрын
beautiful analysis. not just the time to design the hardware, but imagine the time it took to write and validate all that code -> DSPs/fpga/etc. - for something that lives a few minutes, if that.
@kspau139 ай бұрын
yeah like how a human is born, lives for 20 or so years, trains to be a solder and then can be dead within a few minutes when this is fired at them. Whats more sad, the loss of this beautiful hardware or the human life?
@benbaselet20268 ай бұрын
@@kspau13Depends on the particular human..
@kspau138 ай бұрын
@@benbaselet2026 I don't think anyone serving in the military deserves to die.
@benbaselet20268 ай бұрын
@@kspau13 We will then just have to agree to disagree on this one.
@davidparrot46698 ай бұрын
c'est juste dingue de trouver de tels appareils , un grand merci pour le partage c'est toujours un grand plaisir.
@grosminetytp55208 ай бұрын
Et toi tu gobes. On est sur youtube mec, en 2023 on peut modifier le visage, la voix, les images. S'il y avait 0.01% de chances que ce soit vrai il n'y aurait pas moyen de le prouver
@alfworks9 ай бұрын
Imagine all this is made at the same time as consumers were able to first time see a 16bit Intel 286 CPU.
@benbaselet20268 ай бұрын
Huh? This item is from the late 1990s and as far as Wikipedia goes the system debuted 1996. 32-bit 386 came to market 1985, way more powerful than the 286.
@alfworks8 ай бұрын
@@benbaselet2026 you could be right, my understanding was this is 80’s tech and the 286 was release in early 80’s, so that was my thought process.
@victoryfirst28788 ай бұрын
I am amazed you got this fella to tear down.
@Sami2424249 ай бұрын
Ta chaine est juste extraordinaire ! Merci pour ce bijou ! ^_^
@Darieee8 ай бұрын
wow ! thanks for taking the time to show us this - really fascinating
@ThermalWorld_9 ай бұрын
As always awesome teardown and explanation Michel. Is there a possibility to shot some good resolution photos of the entire board.
@canalcomentario9 ай бұрын
They did a wonderful engineering job.
@BigSmartArmed9 ай бұрын
That missile was recovered after it missed.
@canalcomentario9 ай бұрын
@@BigSmartArmed eles devem ser ruins então, bom mesmo são os mísseis russos que dão meia volta e destroem a propia base de lançamento 😅
@moshet8429 ай бұрын
@@BigSmartArmed It doesn't look like it was fired at all. Considering it was manufactured in 98, I'm guessing it was rescued from a military weapons destruction dump.
@BigSmartArmed9 ай бұрын
@@moshet842The recovery pic shows full deployment. Ukros have a huge black market for complete and chopped weapon systems.
@moshet8429 ай бұрын
@@BigSmartArmed Well, that is a sample picture from Google. The one he has is not the same as the one in the picture. Besides, the Pentagon generally has a 10-15 year shelf life on these missiles which indicates that what I said earlier was probably right considering the date of manufacture. I would bank more on it being decommissioned.
@Chungalhunga8 ай бұрын
Many thanks for the video. Beside electronics made to highest standards, the most interesting part is the cost of the missile at around $78,000, that's incredibly high for such part made in series of tens of thousands or more. So this is how weapons manufacturers and lobby get extremely rich.
@M3ntalMaze8 ай бұрын
You are forgetting R&D costs…
@Chungalhunga8 ай бұрын
@@M3ntalMaze Serial production with some updates...
@danielw17658 ай бұрын
It's a piece of art for electronics engineers.
@23poiuz9 ай бұрын
Very interesting, thanks a lot for posting! "You must ensure the missile goes to the target and not in your garden." - made my day=) I am curious about Part 2, and yes, I'd love an analysis / deep dive into the 64x64 Infrared Imaging Sensor and ADC specifically. Essentially, the sensors first stage. Maybe some aspects of the actors section as well. 330MOPS, 60MFLOPS in the DSP .. ok;) FPGAs proc power .. no idea. I guess all the processing magic will be buried in the bitstreams (ROMs, FPGAs, DSPs ..), hard to extract or analyze, so I'm not waiting for a Javelin emulator for Android soon;)
@trevorwhitham67429 ай бұрын
The missile knows where it is at all times
@Dslrepairpro9 ай бұрын
Only because it knows where it isn't at all times
@bogdanaasarbu80389 ай бұрын
Very interesting. For me the most valuable parts at the OMA2541 op amps. You can make a linear power supply or an audio amp with them. All other transistors and op amps can be reused for linear applications. They are high quality for sure.
@Uvisir9 ай бұрын
damn that op amp can give an output current of 6 amps
@paulmoir44529 ай бұрын
Yeah, avoid opening them though! The BeO label is probably a warning: some of those TO-3 can packages are filled with a heat-sink compound. Beryllium oxide is a high performance one.
@user-ml9mn5wh2f9 ай бұрын
This is a very unusual video. On many levels, but still informative.
@GothGuy8859 ай бұрын
I love your Accent! and very interesting video, this is something very unusual to see. and a great find indeed! thank you, Mon ame! 😀
@yugbe9 ай бұрын
Really cool to see one of these up close. Thanks for the video... I won't ask where it came from. (Honestly, it may have had a flaw in it, hence why it still exist. )
@andrew76299 ай бұрын
So interesting the flat cables are just on the outside like that.
@citizendc99 ай бұрын
Now I understand how that military chip manufacturer was able to create their own graphics card 3DFX out of nowhere and bring it to market. These missiles are basically flying webcams with video processors on them guiding the missile to the infrared/heat target.
@wingcommanderbob82689 ай бұрын
@hakimmohamad6216 because it's not true lol. i think the only graphics card that was a result of military development was the intel i740 which was actually a joint project with lockheed martin and an outgrowth of their simulation systems, but it was really shit. SGI (where the 3dfx team originated) didn't make military hardware either
@captainzero1199 ай бұрын
depressing how much effort and complexity we put into weapons of destruction
@klam778 ай бұрын
That "multi sensor" gyro is likely ITAR grade! I looked up the Emcore price list for NON-ITAR grade fiber optic gyro cylinders. the high end is ~$45K for ONE, if you buy 200+ quantity they will give you discount to ~$35K each. (non-ITAR)
I can recognize that at it least it is not "but does it run Windows?"
@riajhasib88109 ай бұрын
it should be "can it run crysis?".oh!! man, "'can it run doom'" is a insult to this guidance computer & its computing capability!!!
@Snowsea-gs4wu9 ай бұрын
@@riajhasib8810Well… Doom was launched at the end of ‘93 and if this is an 80s design I’d say it would be hard to run Doom on it. My two cents…
@djmips9 ай бұрын
It can spell Doom.
@wandameadows57368 ай бұрын
This is 40 year old weapons made back when the USSR was collapsing.
@stingable9 ай бұрын
Never seen all this details , Thanks for sharing. All sophisticated electronics will be gone in seconds Phew.
@sethrice99399 ай бұрын
Smart design to have the charges burn through the electronic guidance and triggers fractions of seconds before the target gets it. Liquidate the most sensitive technology, in the primary action.
@christopherleubner66339 ай бұрын
They rig drones to do this when hit.
@BigSmartArmed9 ай бұрын
That missile was recovered after it was fired and it missed. If it was that smart it would have self destructed like SAM/AA missiles do.
@christopherleubner66339 ай бұрын
@@BigSmartArmed they should as a safety feature as well as for security, rather surprised by this 😬
@benbaselet20268 ай бұрын
@@BigSmartArmed How do you know that? I'd expect a fully built one to have conformal coatings and stuff fixed better. Maybe this is a prototype or some engineering model instead of a live round.
@BigSmartArmed8 ай бұрын
@@christopherleubner6633 Munitions that are directly deployed by personnel can't have self destruct mechanisms.
@Batmanananana8 ай бұрын
Thank you. Very informative. -Scientist from Iran
@borkowsm9 ай бұрын
Great video - as always! This breakthrough digital technology is not as fun to reverse engineer as analog technology. What's surprising is that the main shaped charge and engine are so small. Gryroscope - what I can tell you - go for it.
@chriswendschlag18569 ай бұрын
ur not going too
@kitesfootball33537 ай бұрын
After the video from @perepolox shooting Javelin, it is no surprise that its electronics is very similar to those in modern PC video cards.
@laurentlouiche58039 ай бұрын
Très intéressant. Oui oui, Il faut l'ouvrir, ce capteur !
@FixitFrank8 ай бұрын
i really enjoyed this. thank you Michel
@HrDoktorBillerbeck9 ай бұрын
The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is - whichever is greater - it obtains a difference or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position that it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is is now the position that it wasn't, and if follows that the position that it was is now the position that it isn't. In the event that the position that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation. The variation being the difference between where the missile is and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was. The missile guidance computer scenario works as follows: Because a variation has modified some of the information that the missile has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it know where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice versa. And by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.
@bentos1179 ай бұрын
sounds too smart
@pieandmashlover9 ай бұрын
I knew you knew something that I thought I knew but I didn’t. But you probably knew that. 😂
@miroslavstevic20369 ай бұрын
Kraang 1: The ones in this place are not in this place where they were. Kraang 2: The ones are called Ninja Turtles. They are dangerous to what we are doing in this place and other places. Kraang 1: Yes. I have knowledge of that. The Turtles must be eliminated from all places.
@wouterke98719 ай бұрын
Beatiful write-up *scratching head*
@OsoMagna9 ай бұрын
Meth?
@El.Duder-ino8 ай бұрын
Thank u for this very cool teardown!
@jeldrikpetersen9 ай бұрын
This is a freakin' fortune in gold and IC's. No wonder these systems are pricey as hell 😂 Artwork of engineering.
@hunnybunnysheavymetalmusic65427 ай бұрын
I would blueprint that whole thing and make many copies of it to share with my friends... IF I had any friends...
@Ficu199029 ай бұрын
Imagine what they can have now as a top secret now if this was designed in 1986...
@comment87678 ай бұрын
All the electronics has been replaced with a Raspberry Pi Zero.
@rallyworld34178 ай бұрын
It amazes me what you can find on KZfaq 😅
@3ffrige9 ай бұрын
Such an amazing find! There’s actual real gold in those components! Amazing stuff; the components look like mil-spec radiation hardened devices, like the same components you’d use that makes up a rover to be sent off to Mars! No expense spared in this unit (because…thank you tax payers!). However, it’s a shame all of the engineering put into that, along with extremely expensive components…to exist as a single-use subassembly!
@videosuperhighway76559 ай бұрын
Yes they are all Radiation and extended temperature resistant.
@KostiantynKostin9 ай бұрын
Unfortunately the reality of the world is taxpayers pay with dollars or probabillity raises that they could be "paying" with their own lives.
@patman02509 ай бұрын
The components in here are not extremely expensive at all. The chips and electronics are dirt cheep. The reason why these things cost over $100,000 is because it's a problem that the department of defense has been dealing with for a long time. It's called price gouging! You see these missiles probably cost anywhere from 5000 to 10000 to make. But they're going to sell it for hundreds of thousands of dollars because they set the price and they know that the governments going to pay up. The Pentagon gets priced gouged on everything, from office supplies toilet paper to missiles. We're talking about pins that cost less than a dollar getting charged $80 per pin and over $100 a toilet roll. Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, Boeing, Northrop, Textron and more. All of them price gouge the hell out of the taxpayers it's the biggest scam nobody ever talks about. It's basically why we have to pump so much damn money into defense because the United States it's basically getting scammed by United States companys.
@wombatillo9 ай бұрын
@@videosuperhighway7655 Ceramic mil-grade chips with gold plated lids doesn't mean rad hardened, especially not in the 80's.
@PhilAndOr9 ай бұрын
@@patman0250 Don't be so dense. The reason they cost 100k is because the 'cost' of the weapon is far higher than just the bill of materials and labor to assemble them. They're not selling flatpack chairs here.
@AdamBechtol8 ай бұрын
Neat to see. I've been curious to see the electronics as well as what makes them so expensive. (As a side note, as an American, I don't know if I could have made this video without a knock on the door, or being put on some list 😛)
@The_abdelhafid9 ай бұрын
The best youtube content ever ! merci
@anToha_UA9 ай бұрын
5/10 on repairability scale. Still better than iPhone 15
@damien21989 ай бұрын
I am impressed, I thought this javelin would be much simpler/rugged, and that s pretty advanced for 1996
@rdallas819 ай бұрын
Advanced? Less advanced than an old Cell phone.
@colombianguy81949 ай бұрын
@@rdallas81if you are comparing it to a 2010's cellphone, yes. But a 90's phone of the same era as this guidance computer, no.
@togowack9 ай бұрын
Isn't this missile from mid 80s
@colombianguy81949 ай бұрын
@@togowack designed in 1989, in service since 1996.
@togowack9 ай бұрын
@@colombianguy8194thats pretty slow for a 64 x 64 display makes you wonder about all the equipment in service now, outdated and not as good as people think it is.
@filipozimek82819 ай бұрын
This OMA2541 op amp, it is TI OPA541 repackaged into TO can (two pcs).
@qazwsxqaz31639 ай бұрын
Превосходно, отлично!!!! Еще показали и другие элементы. Ну например рулевые приводы и другое!!!!
@mathieucaron49578 ай бұрын
We love Ukraine. Crimea is Ukraine.
@alexanderkusaev10668 ай бұрын
Рай для аффинажа, Arduino DIY and home pet project. Thank you Ukraine for make this teardown vidio possible. Waiting for f-16 teardown.
@zireael17568 ай бұрын
Почему не в окопе?
@zireael17568 ай бұрын
@@alexanderkusaev1066 Жалкий ты :(
@MrSkoresh8 ай бұрын
@@zireael1756 Твой собственный вопрос прежде всего тебя и касается, надеюсь тебя пинками загонят, как это у вас принято, чтобы ты не в комментариях воевал, а в поле, обиженный мамин вояка.
@zireael17568 ай бұрын
@@MrSkoresh А чё порвался так? Даже не тебе писал. Странные вы, тоже чужими руками территории завоёвывать хотите, сами же с гроб не полезете.
@MrSkoresh8 ай бұрын
@@zireael1756 Порвался здесь только ты, прибежав через 30 минут, когда тебя в первый раз не заметили и проигнорировали твои всхрюки, а я лишь слегка намекнул, что такие нелепые вопросы в первую очередь касаются тех, кто их задаёт.
@user-pt7mz6oi3l9 ай бұрын
Если ты не обманул, и это действительно платы от Джавелина, то большое тебе спасибо, добрый человек. Интересно было взглянуть на электронику зарубежных боевых ракет.
@user-pn5xz2uu5w8 ай бұрын
Когда хохлы начнут это продавать на Авито? Я бы купил.
@mathieucaron49578 ай бұрын
We love Ukraine.
@user-pn5xz2uu5w7 ай бұрын
@@mathieucaron4957 вы хотели сказать, что любите покупать любовь у продажных украинских девушек?
@michaelwan42688 ай бұрын
This is fantastic video to see such weapon so closely....
@ChipGuy9 ай бұрын
Awesome PCBs. It's sad to see that usualy that high quality electronic assembly is only working for a few minutes and then usually scrificing itself.
@laurispiksis61449 ай бұрын
Amazing craftsmanship! Thank you for sharing this👍
@TheRadeonVideo9 ай бұрын
This sensor looks a lot like a dynamically tuned gyro (DTG). If so, there must be two of them.
@lelabodemichel51629 ай бұрын
There is only one sensor on that section.
@Rhulthen9 ай бұрын
@@lelabodemichel5162 At 10:54 what is the thing in the bottom left side of the aluminum bulkhead? It looks like another sensor (same cylindrical shape).
@lelabodemichel51629 ай бұрын
@s102tk Nothing electrical, just a metallic cylinder. Maybe a provision for another sensor.
@MrValdemirs8 ай бұрын
One of the best videos I've ever seen on KZfaq. Who knows, maybe one day you will show us a Himars teardown !
@benbaselet20268 ай бұрын
Tearing down a whole truck would be quite large and quite boring.
@lineinthesand6639 ай бұрын
Thank-you. Great teardown vid. The boards and basemount IC's appear to be more modern than '80's vintage. The metal (non-ferrous?) bulkhead is both a heatsink for the opamps, trim ballast and eventually part of the EFP jet? The metal cylinder appears to be either a proton precession magnetometer or magnetic induction sensor for detecting proximity to the target vehicle. BTW: See if you scratch a few spare chips for the Ivans to keep their wash-machines spinning. All the best from Namibia.
@lemerovingien39919 ай бұрын
magnifique accent anglais ^^ ! c'est super je comprend tout. Vidéo très intéressante, je m'abonne de suite ! Merci Michel !!
@NonEuclideanTacoCannon9 ай бұрын
I've wanted a peek inside a Javelin for years, very nice. Perhaps it was explained and I missed it, why are there ribbon cables extending out of the side of the airframe? Is it perhaps a testing/debug model?
@lelabodemichel51629 ай бұрын
You can see on the picture of the complete missile at 01:00 these ribbon cables. I think it is easier for manufacturing than using connectors inside the missile.
@NonEuclideanTacoCannon9 ай бұрын
@@lelabodemichel5162 Oh I see now. I suppose the warhead fills the entire volume inside of that next segment.
@msylvain599 ай бұрын
@@NonEuclideanTacoCannon I have an empty fuselage section of a Super 530 missile, it also have holes for routing wires in channels outside the main body.
@NonEuclideanTacoCannon9 ай бұрын
@@msylvain59 Come to think of it, space rockets use an external raceway for cables, too. It just didn't occur to me that smaller rockets would be the same for some reason.
@geoffroberts11269 ай бұрын
@@NonEuclideanTacoCannon The warhead is clearly a shaped charge and since it's behind the guidance electronics, part of it's purpose is that it will totally destroy the guidance electronics when it detonates, the shockwave and hot gasses are all directed forward by the shaped charge and the vaporised electronics form part of the extremely hot gasses the punch holes in the target. I can't help thinking that this is doubtless still classified in at least some western nations, I'm surprised you were in fact able to get your hands on it.
@jaimdiojtar9 ай бұрын
I love the way you say "here" it reminds me to arnold swarchenegger and the terminator
@ultralaggerREV19 ай бұрын
As expected, the guidance hardware has micro processors from Texas Instruments, the same company that makes our college calculators
@mattmurphy70308 ай бұрын
The logo is all over the place
@ultralaggerREV18 ай бұрын
@@mattmurphy7030 yes, I know
@linuxuberuser9 ай бұрын
Wow that Missle must have been veryyy close to its expatriation date. The style of TI-Gold cap chips - Do they still use those on modern military systems? Those chips, the VLSI glue logic on the rear - perhaps this missile was manufactured in the 1990s - it does not have that many modern components inside it which is probably why this video still exists. The sensor I think is a proximity fuse. I love military electronics, its a thing of beauty
@benbaselet20268 ай бұрын
The parts are made 1998, lots of datestamps visible.
@i2c_jason9 ай бұрын
I can't believe there are D-sub connectors in there. Seems like this whole assembly could be optimized with a Raspberry Pi 5, weights cut down to 10%, motor and cost decreased accordingly, explosive increased, etc. Depending on the sample rate for the control system, the FPGAs may not even be necessary. There are some Pi designs with the official RPi camera that are something like 600 frames per second I believe. But I get it, probably not much open source tech in such a weapon. Very interesting teardown. Now get some Aqua Reggia and harvest the Gold lol.
@topduk9 ай бұрын
It's around 50 years old.
@andrew.nicholson9 ай бұрын
@@topdukmore like 35, but yeah - technology has come a long way since then.
@weeeeelp9 ай бұрын
As someone pointed out in another comment, this stuff is radiation-hardened space grade electronics, while the components of RPi are anything but. A failure in these can be absolutely catastrophic - it needs to survive harsh conditions (low pressure during air transport, being dropped and banged around) and work perfectly - after possibly 10+ years in storage. Sure, a functional optimization could be done as you've described, but it would lack the reliability of separate simpler parts with multiple redundancies put in place, as in this design.
@alexanderkusaev10668 ай бұрын
DJI phantom and carrot from rpg-7. Looks like best price.
@joseluisvaiksnoras78579 ай бұрын
Something so beautiful, relatively "low cost" made to be vaporized. I wonder how million-dollar missiles are built.
@curtwuollet29129 ай бұрын
Looks like they made sure no one recovered the guidance system. The main charge would mess it up pretty bad.
@sebc89389 ай бұрын
The warhead is behind the electronics for having the best penetration distance without needing a probe as with previous generation missiles that had the warhead in the front.
@naderhumood11997 ай бұрын
This is really an interesting device, I don’t know what I’m going to do with components, Video is great. Than you v much indeed.