LE SSERAFIM accused of lipsyncing, Min Hee Jin vs HYBE feud, Seunghan banners confiscated

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KOOKIELIT

KOOKIELIT

Ай бұрын

LE SSERAFIM's second Coachella performance has also received backlash but this time many think it was undeserved! In shocking news, Min Hee Jin (the CEO of ADOR) was asked to step down from her position by HYBE executives but she fired back! RIIZE's Seunghan banners have been confiscated by staff amid fan boycotts.
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@kookielit
@kookielit Ай бұрын
Do you think that Seunghan will return to RIIZE? And how do you feel about the Min Hee Jin vs HYBE feud?💭
@homura_chan_
@homura_chan_ Ай бұрын
i think you need to make a video essay about the whole hybe fiasco
@Jonniibuzz
@Jonniibuzz Ай бұрын
I WANT HIM TO RETURN
@pollycipher
@pollycipher Ай бұрын
It's the fifty fifty drama saga all over again. Illit copied New jeans is old news right. Min hee jin should just get a Snickers. You're not you when you're hungry.
@sevii.14
@sevii.14 Ай бұрын
@seventeenisrightthere min hee jin is fs a bad person in general but i feel like it wont be smart at all to fire her, she is one of the biggest names when you think of creative direction and has created concepts for several groups which were iconic incl newjeans IMO hybe should have someone be the head of min hee jin and have a control over what she does which does not involve her role in the company
@fatu
@fatu Ай бұрын
I'm not a fan of the group, but I hope he comes back.
@Ckamaya
@Ckamaya Ай бұрын
I bet HYBE is just counting the days till BTS returns from military service.
@huss9366
@huss9366 Ай бұрын
thing is with the way hybe is goin in terms of its business morals nd stuff i wonder if bts gonna stay with them
@crystalsnow1138
@crystalsnow1138 Ай бұрын
@@huss9366 All 7 members of BTS already re-signed their contracts with HYBE. I don't know for how long though.
@sensoine
@sensoine Ай бұрын
So they want bts to clean up their mess
@Jneutron_0102
@Jneutron_0102 Ай бұрын
They don’t even deserve bts, bts built the company from the ground up and now it’s getting ruined because the wrong person (min heejin) was let into Hybe. Ever since Hybe was established, they haven’t protected bts, their personal information was leaked, military dates were leaked, the proof tracklist and songs were leaked, someone got ahold of some songs Yoongi made, jimins mail was stolen, jungkook got into a scandal with videos spreading & people saying it was him in them, jimin had a whole hate train, the maknae lines lives were threatened online, etc. Hybe just loss 850 billion Korean won and the only way to bounce back from that is for a bts member to comeback and release music because now investors are sweating because they have to wait for jin to comeback in order for hybe's profits to increase and go back to how they were
@AoHaruRide473
@AoHaruRide473 Ай бұрын
Yeah 👽
@celeste7957
@celeste7957 Ай бұрын
I feel a lil bad for ILLIT ngl, being in the center of the drama with very young members, they really need to stop debuting very young members
@Imme_begin
@Imme_begin Ай бұрын
CEO's need to stop using them as political pawns.
@crystalsnow1138
@crystalsnow1138 Ай бұрын
The thing is I constantly see people say they don't want minors to debut but look how popular groups that have minors in them are. As long as these groups are successful nothing is going to change we can only hope these young idols are protected.
@sensoine
@sensoine Ай бұрын
Maybe hybe should put more time training idols, and not debut until they are ready 🤷🏻‍♂️
@JO-qn8gy
@JO-qn8gy Ай бұрын
I think that ILLIT girls will be fine but NJ girls will face problems in the future. MHJ has basically thrown them under the bus by insinuating that they agree with her that ILLIT is copying them. If NJ girls choose to side with MHJ, they basically face a similar future like 50 50 and the Givers for trying to backstab the main company Attrakt.
@SamEricLlort
@SamEricLlort Ай бұрын
Young members will continue to debut and no company will listen to you.
@devilsspit
@devilsspit Ай бұрын
OK in my opinion HYBE is becoming very, very shady
@GopherCakeStuff
@GopherCakeStuff Ай бұрын
They've always been shady lmao
@urhypeboy
@urhypeboy Ай бұрын
Exactly. They went from the company that everyone admires for creating BTS to a shady, greedy company that no one likes.
@Ian07862
@Ian07862 Ай бұрын
1) newjeans and min hee jin copied their whole concept with a Japanese girl group “speed”. If speed want they can sue min heejin and newjeans for plagiaring their full music video for their song ‘body and soul’ to new jeans ‘attention’. 2). Itis proven that MHJ was planning to betray hybe. 3) gfriend disbanded bcs of adore 4) MHJ had a history of sexualising minors. It’s fucked up their MHJ is using their young and teenage girls of her own benefit, she do not care about the well being of these girls, she clearly knows how all these things gonna effect newjeans career and new comeback. 5) min heejin cant tolerate another group being promoted as new jeans younger version but when new jeans debut they were called ‘ bts sister’ ,’next bts’. newjeans is a privileged group. Debuting on 74M subscribers account, minji and hanni appeared on bts music video before debut doing dance choreography with bts, bts constantly using their names,putting their sing above ‘seven’ on TTH for weeks while jungkook was ruling the official charts for months. Hybe invested 16B won to promote newjeans, 6) Hybe will most likely not gonna lose anything, in fact if new jeans decided to leave hybe their will have to pay hybe.
@user-rr5ik8dn5j
@user-rr5ik8dn5j Ай бұрын
Isn't it MHJ that's being shady trying to sell adore to foreigners as if she's the owner when it was Hybes miney that made adore in the first place.
@erikad0511
@erikad0511 Ай бұрын
Waaay too greedy anymore...
@bluemoon1970
@bluemoon1970 Ай бұрын
this is gonna affect newjeans image badly. Also the decision the members will make from now on will decide their future. min heejin claims she talked with the members and their parents. will they take ADOR side or what . this drama is interesting hybe : i bring i bring all the drama ma ma with my girl grps in the back.
@sensoine
@sensoine Ай бұрын
I do feel like, hybe use illit to replace newjeans unfortunately
@lavenderxxx1210
@lavenderxxx1210 Ай бұрын
It seems no like she’s been grooming NWJNs to be with her. I hope they have common sense and a lawyer.
@izadorad
@izadorad Ай бұрын
@@sensoineuntil they learn how to sing properly I don’t think they’ll replace NJ even if HYBE tries. Especially if they wanna get into the western market. LSF is a testament of that.
@Likelyfairy
@Likelyfairy Ай бұрын
@@izadoradyeah nwjs is way more popular and talented (I don’t dislike neither group just in comparison) so it would be so dumb to try and replace them. And their sounds aren’t even that similar to get away with it
@Bonobonoyaaa742
@Bonobonoyaaa742 Ай бұрын
Like min hee jin also promoted NJ with " bts's younger group" SHE SHOULD KNOW THAT NO ONE OWNS A PARTICULAR CONCEPT!! Update guys - min hee jin allegedly says that Bang si hyuk copied her to create BTS , BY this statement it is proved that min hee jin is definitely on dr*gs 😂
@justacutie5201
@justacutie5201 Ай бұрын
Honestly though she invented the nostalgic school girl/Y2K concept.
@billyloomis199
@billyloomis199 Ай бұрын
According to minheejins logic ,pinkpantheress should claim rights in nwjns songs
@Jackben1mble
@Jackben1mble Ай бұрын
illit are talentless. New Jeans members are disadvanatged by Illit's association
@salsosill
@salsosill Ай бұрын
@@justacutie5201 she didn't invent it, it was a popular 1st gen/2nd gen SM concept, she js brought it back from her day of working at SM
@Chaetzv
@Chaetzv Ай бұрын
Fr
@fivestarmichelin_
@fivestarmichelin_ Ай бұрын
Lsf just wasn’t ready for Coachella. This was the same case with Aespa. They were just not ready for Coachella. Blackpink on the other hand, actually had experience of three years and had a pretty good grip of how to perform in festivals. Ateez was also ready for it as they have pretty long experience as well. Like, is it so hard to actually have experienced idols in Coachella?
@Mr.Gurung11
@Mr.Gurung11 Ай бұрын
Bruhhh!!! Aespa and Le sserafim performed their best for their generation whilst BLACKPINK performed their best in their generation. Each of these three girl group did the great performance but was still hated. BLACKPINK did their best but was hated for not having stage presence like 2Ne1. Aespa did their best but was hated for not having the best performance like BLACKPINK. Le sserafim did the best performance but was hated for not having better live vocals like BLACKPINK and Aespa (even though they did good in 2nd week). So all of these 3 girl groups got hate and criticised for at least one thing during their era so will you please stop bringing BLACKPINK or stop criticising any of the group who performed on Coachella? Because if you keep hating, at this time, you’re not criticising but you’re literally bullying those girls!!!!
@exp-io853
@exp-io853 Ай бұрын
​@@Mr.Gurung11 although i agree with you i also gotta say i agree with op...it makes sense...it doesnt mean that they dont shine...they allll did really well...the comparison stuff like "aespa better than lsrfm" (example) and stuff like that is not nice ...but its true having more experience will show through youre performance when youre more than ready...not a bad thing...we all want to see their good sides and im glad they improved..they are different in a good way...just my opinion...criticism is not bullying...so far i dont see anyone calling any of the groups w bad names here
@leeannesuarez1234
@leeannesuarez1234 Ай бұрын
​@@Mr.Gurung11someone's best doesn't mean it's good. Experience is still the best training.
@themastermind5638
@themastermind5638 Ай бұрын
Is it hard to actually have experienced Idols in Coachella??? Well heres the thing. If we go by actual talent, singing abilities, and overall experience, groups like BTOB and Mamamoo for example, would be the groups representing Kpop at Coachella. However they go for popularity, what they "feel" are the groups that would become the next "big" thing, or groups with "western" appeal. Hency why groups like Aespa and Lesserafim are the ones getting invited to Coachella, despite them not having much experience or even good singing abilities.
@joan6325
@joan6325 Ай бұрын
@@Mr.Gurung11miss gurl I’m gonna need u to stop being blind and see things for what it is… when blackpink was hated for “not having stage presence” it was obvious that it’s unreasonable hate comment and it’s also the minority of the comments out there. As for aespa as well. Le sserafim on the other hand even the fans agree that they did it so badly most of the fans didn’t even dare to defend them anymore. This is the reality they didn’t have enough vocals wake up.
@ocean440
@ocean440 Ай бұрын
hybe is really falling down
@RekhaSharma-hh1sv
@RekhaSharma-hh1sv Ай бұрын
No it isn't . Please update . She is reporting more than 12hours old news.
@axeltheking4157
@axeltheking4157 Ай бұрын
@@RekhaSharma-hh1svno real updates yet
@rahafl9606
@rahafl9606 Ай бұрын
As they should 😂
@SamEricLlort
@SamEricLlort Ай бұрын
All Hybe girl groups except Fromis_9 finally getting hate for being talentless. Illit, Le Sserafim and Newjeans don’t deserve their fame.
@Mr.Gurung11
@Mr.Gurung11 Ай бұрын
@@SamEricLlortonline Bully spotted!!
@aa-is5yv
@aa-is5yv Ай бұрын
We want Seunghan back!!!
@KpopDaemon904
@KpopDaemon904 Ай бұрын
Fans should continue for seunghan until he came back this time we would not allow sm to remove him from the group and to ruin his career put your hands up if you are agree that riize is 7 ✋🙋
@emma06_
@emma06_ Ай бұрын
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
@yeongyu22
@yeongyu22 Ай бұрын
Yes I hope we can comeback seunghan I really hope ot7 for life
@sannr2489
@sannr2489 Ай бұрын
Min Hee Jin acts are unprofessional and unethical. There are more professional ways to deal with "plagiarism??" especially if u belong to the same company. . Maybe there's more to that Audit results. Hybe will not just terminate people if u didnt play dirty with the hands that feeds you. As someone who holds 18% stake of ADOR for just a creative director is already something. She is not even a producer or an artist
@emilyl1094
@emilyl1094 Ай бұрын
She's getting more ambitious, greedy and big-headed after NJ success. She should remember that she was served a golden spoon when she joined Hybe who gave her financial support and creative freedom to create and produce NJ. I guess she wanted to own Ador by looking for investors. BigHit and BTS had started from the bottom and worked very hard to achieve success and global recognition.
@ayu_gyu
@ayu_gyu Ай бұрын
I hope in an interview she's asked about her leaking private information of idols & also that she also plagiarized Pink Pantheress & 1st/2nd gen SM girl groups so why is she pissed at others copying her
@madkmadk6809
@madkmadk6809 Ай бұрын
Bang pd made a HUGE mistake by letting her join his company even when SM already kicked her out. The snake is biting them now. Once a snake always a snake. She always makes minor groups promote sexualized stuff. And not just ordinary sexual stuff but LITERAL Lolita stuff. Who tf makes the 'do not disturb' cards of hotels into idol merchandise? That too female idol merchandise who have underage member. And ofc I don't need to say about that cookie song :) even old sm employees say she even treat the staff so bad that they never want to work under her again.
@madkmadk6809
@madkmadk6809 Ай бұрын
​​@@ayu_gyu hasn't she always been a liar? Even if she's asked she would not admit it. If she had to start from the bottom like bang pd did and with her own money instead of hybe money(aka bts money) and started in a basement like bts did, newjeans would never be this popular. And she didn't even admit this. Even tho she did use bts popularity to promote nj in the early days of their debut and now she has a problem with illit allegedly using nj popularity
@soysauceboy2023
@soysauceboy2023 Ай бұрын
Watch the 3 hr MHJ press conference. There’s probably a translated version by now. It’s eye opening. Made me change my mind about her. There’s a reason almost all Koreans support MHJ.
@Duma2011
@Duma2011 Ай бұрын
I'm sorry but the criticism of Le Sserafim for the past month has now turned into straight online bullying. I've actually seen people send death threats to Yunjin and Sakura and even going as far to call Yunjin the "slut" of the group. HYBE/Source music need to step up for the girls cause this is getting completely out of hand.
@sweetlikebubblegum_
@sweetlikebubblegum_ Ай бұрын
they're mad at yunjin for drinking coffee😂
@jafrinakter6704
@jafrinakter6704 Ай бұрын
@@sweetlikebubblegum_ it wasn't about coffee ..it was about boycotting certain brand...it's not that hard to boycott that brand , they won't die but millions innocents are dying for that
@user-ml6hq2ci2j
@user-ml6hq2ci2j Ай бұрын
Im agree with you ❤ ​@@jafrinakter6704
@solarflame-he6cw
@solarflame-he6cw Ай бұрын
Yeah I agree. It’s gone too far at this point
@sweetlikebubblegum_
@sweetlikebubblegum_ Ай бұрын
@@jafrinakter6704 i basically said that
@maddi32000
@maddi32000 Ай бұрын
Kpop is always a mess
@Eunchaeldol
@Eunchaeldol Ай бұрын
Lol
@theofficialoption
@theofficialoption Ай бұрын
It is always a mess since then.
@cct2825
@cct2825 Ай бұрын
It's the trainwreck we can't stop watching. 😆
@bluemoon1970
@bluemoon1970 Ай бұрын
HYBE : dude u did illegal stuff. step down and leave. we cant trust someone like u..... min heejin : this grp and that grp and this grp copied my style {which i myself copied from grps of prev gen} . and yeah i also am behind the success of bts. the way min heejin is just bringing other groups name just to shield herself is pathetic. bring proof that u didnt do anything or just accept what u did was illegal and step down.. hybe shoul have thought before joining hands with someone this controversial.
@HailToTheMeep
@HailToTheMeep Ай бұрын
Why is BTS even in this conversation…..??
@Me-ng3es
@Me-ng3es Ай бұрын
Someone this controversial made NJ, which is literally an unprecedented phenomenon in the Kpop world. They shifted Kpop's sound and garnered attention from the Western GP. If Min Hee Jin goes, Hybe's in a tough spot. If I was an investor, I would definitely leave.
@lavenderxxx1210
@lavenderxxx1210 Ай бұрын
@Me-ng3es I mean ADOR is >10% of HYBEs financials, BTS and Seventeen are the money makers. Illit also just had a smash debut and TXT sell really well. Besides NWJNs belongs to HUBE not MHJ and they will still succeed without her.
@starrynight289
@starrynight289 Ай бұрын
​@@HailToTheMeepbecause indirectly she said she doesn't want to be associated with other groups ( my pov: in their own parent company like bts or illit) but during newjeans debut Era, their company promoted NJ as bts' little sister group which shows her hypocrisy.. and as for newjeans the group is definitely this successful because of their music and mv but their is also a great factor played by hybe if not hybe maybe many fans wouldn't even check their music ...
@Me-ng3es
@Me-ng3es Ай бұрын
@@lavenderxxx1210 NJ belongs to Min Hee Jin as much as BP belongs to Teddy. In terms of financials, it's a question of following the trend. And it's shifting in favor of NJ even though they're haven't been around for long. In terms of potential too. BTS are old and probably not gonna be around as a fully active group for long. TXT have way less potential in terms of growth. Hybe swallowed sublabels and diversed their portfolio to attract investors and transition to being a corporation. NJ really sets the tone for investments for Hybe just like Beamon sets the tone for YG now. The profits of Ador are 1/5 of BTS and TXT combined which is insane for an extremely New group that operates as much outside of the fanbase then inside it. I kn Hybe America is in deficit although not sure how they'll do with Ariana being back. It's a matter of where do you see this company in 5 years and not where is it now.
@Jess1013
@Jess1013 Ай бұрын
7:06 And then it came out that not only did HYBE send her a six-page response about her accusations that ILLIT copied NewJeans, the internal audit proved that she opened the email (read receipts). Her being asked to resign wasn’t sudden at all. It’s gross that she dragged NewJeans and ILLIT into her mess.
@shreya.12837
@shreya.12837 Ай бұрын
Don't forget A4 size💀
@SamEricLlort
@SamEricLlort Ай бұрын
She can get lost with her talentless Newjeans. I will be glad when we finally get rid of Newjeans and the creep Heejin.
@HailToTheMeep
@HailToTheMeep Ай бұрын
@@shreya.12837😂
@vinylpharm
@vinylpharm Ай бұрын
What? How is THAT what you took away from this?
@Jess1013
@Jess1013 Ай бұрын
@@vinylpharm I’m responding to a moment in the video, not the situation overall. I thought that was clear with the time stamp.
@peace_love_kookie9293
@peace_love_kookie9293 Ай бұрын
I feel like people who don't see a similarity between new jeans and illits music are in denial.. Like yah no one owns that concept but like bffr
@d4ze_22
@d4ze_22 Ай бұрын
RIGHTTTTTT like honestly they kinda set them girls up fr. They should know how messy the “new jeans concept “ can get so idk why the wanted another girl group with that youthfulness vibe again. Ofc ppl were gonna say something
@Jonniibuzz
@Jonniibuzz Ай бұрын
I WANT SEUNGHAN BACK!!!!!
@HelpmeImdying26
@HelpmeImdying26 Ай бұрын
SAMEEEE, I WANT SEUNGHAN BACK SO BAD, HE IS MY BIAS 😭😭
@Jonniibuzz
@Jonniibuzz Ай бұрын
@@HelpmeImdying26 REAL
@angelas888
@angelas888 Ай бұрын
Yes please!!😢
@ZB1_09
@ZB1_09 Ай бұрын
His hot
@axeltheking4157
@axeltheking4157 Ай бұрын
@@ZB1_09very
@MOI-rt5zi
@MOI-rt5zi Ай бұрын
HYBE and Belift claimed that they responded to Min Heejin with a 6-page document sent on March 22nd 2024 about IILIT's concept. Why didn't u add this information to the video? Min Heejin has been crying about plagiarism this and that. By her logic shouldn't she be sued by Japanese girl group SPEED for blatantly copying their BODY and SOUL MV (1997) for NEW JEANS's attention MV? Her not wanting people to associate ILLIT with New Jeans is hypocritical of her as if she didn't use BTS to boost New Jeans's popularity as the younger sister group. She has publicly stated that New Jeans is popular because of her but is it really? Do you think the "debut out of nowhere" thing would work from a Nugu label without the help of HYBE's 16.1 billion won and a 70M+ subscriber KZfaq channel? I doubt that. Moreover, her trying to shield herself by focusing the attention of the public on these two groups consisting of minors and not on the horrible things she has been accused of is pretty clear. Truly a wolf in Sheep's clothing.
@MOI-rt5zi
@MOI-rt5zi Ай бұрын
I'm not a HYBE fanboy, Min Heejin minion. It's so obvious that she's putting up an act and people are falling for it. She hasn't retured the laptop, hasn't responded to the audit questionnaire, is the highest paid HYBE employee (2Billion won annually) and still acting like she gets mistreated to get the public on her side and is using these groups like IILIT, Le sserafim and New Jeans as a shield to divert you idiot's attention. Meanwhile HYBE has filed a criminal report against her and claims to have all the important evidence and are ready to fight a full-on court battle while she's here trying to gain sumpathy as if that's gonna help her in court. Min Heejin has a record of being creepy with idols when they were teens (Shinee, Red Velvet, Fx etc.) and abusive to fellow employees. Her ex SM colleagues claim she's psychotic and would never wanna work with her again. A few days ago, HYBE employees ranted their frustrations out on BLIND as well.
@PedroPony833
@PedroPony833 Ай бұрын
Cherry bullet disbanding I'm genuinely crying
@FIGHTFAN777
@FIGHTFAN777 Ай бұрын
Ikr Legendary group
@woahthere_dami
@woahthere_dami Ай бұрын
same 🤧
@hihillari
@hihillari Ай бұрын
The started out SO strong. Tbh once the first members left it all went downhill. 😭
@mont-hplay9
@mont-hplay9 Ай бұрын
😢😢😢😢😭😭😭
@Verg_Iviu
@Verg_Iviu Ай бұрын
I've been waiting but I want a more deeper analysis about Min Hee Jin vs HYBE
@madkmadk6809
@madkmadk6809 Ай бұрын
I think you should watch seoulitetv's breakdown of this mhj betrayal's whole case. He used to work in the industry before shifting to KZfaq so he knows some stuff and he's also korean so he even lets the viewer know what he found out by investigating the korean documents and receipts. I watched his vid and it's a bit lengthier than this but it was well explained
@devo1984x
@devo1984x Ай бұрын
As a CEO she handled this so unprofessionally and impulsively. It’s so obvious, she is being audited and investigated and she responds by deflecting with plagiarism accusations, namedropping iLLiT and starting fanwars. And gatekeeping Y2K styling and black natural hair is soooo wild. If she had not cried plagarism people might still respect her for being the OG trendsetter of 4th/5th gen. But it’s like I go into work and have a great idea/concept to make the industry better, and then b*tch about it when people realize it was a great idea and make renditions off of it. The entertainment world, just like anything is a free realm. Unless symbols or the actual music melodies were stolen, i don’t think concepts apply as we have seen the industry goes with what is in the demand. And right now, people are loving the fresh youthful and nostalgic concept. She can keep whining about it but she doesn’t own it and her plagiarism accusations definitely will not hold up in a court. You’re telling me Lucky Girl (a song abt manifesting your dreams) and OMG (they’re literally in a mental hospital) are even remotely similar??? The only thing similar is their hair and clothes, and no one owns that. If i were her, i would shut up and take it as a compliment, be the bigger person. If you’re secure in your originality and creative concepts, you won’t be so threatened by others trying to make renditions off of it bc you’ll be one step ahead of them.
@HailToTheMeep
@HailToTheMeep Ай бұрын
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
@MargaretSpillane-yl3pj
@MargaretSpillane-yl3pj Ай бұрын
Er… the plagiarism concern from Ador came before all this not after. Perhaps you should read both sides of the media hysteria on this mess.
@devo1984x
@devo1984x Ай бұрын
@@MargaretSpillane-yl3pj i’m not on hers or Hybe’s side. it doesnt change the fact that she name dropped iLLiT and sent hate towards them. It also doesn’t change that her plagiarism accusations are plain silly at this point. She does not own y2k concept or black hair, she just analyzed gen z trends and created a concept off of it. Both groups don’t deserve what is happening bc of her actions and words.
@lavenderxxx1210
@lavenderxxx1210 Ай бұрын
@MargaretSpillane-yl3pj True, but it looks like that was part of conspiracy to get NWJNs out of HYBE. HYBE has accused her of trying to prove that NWJNs was mistreated but looks like she’d have to fabricate things to make that possible.
@natashambulo3510
@natashambulo3510 Ай бұрын
The hair thing makes me laugh. That's thier natural hair
@joyfam2949
@joyfam2949 Ай бұрын
If you're a LSF fan and you really care about them, don't defend their bad vocals. You should encourage them to take vocal lessons and not let this happen again in the future. You literally pamper your idols and when they get criticism, they don't know how to handle it because you're out here sugar coating stuff for them. TELL YOUR IDOLS THEY CANT SING AND LET THEM WORK ON IT. For Christ's sake look at Taemin, guy was told he was tone deaf and now look at how his hardwork paid off.
@nxjsxbh
@nxjsxbh Ай бұрын
but they clearly improved from chella weekend 1 to weekend 2
@suaAaAaA
@suaAaAaA Ай бұрын
I think there was​ auto tune in the mics I was shere and during some parts you can hear it the entire thing was definitely rehersed though even the stops@@nxjsxbh
@BELIEVER78989
@BELIEVER78989 Ай бұрын
There's a difference between criticism and straight up cyber bullying tho, stans should know when to draw the line
@suaAaAaA
@suaAaAaA Ай бұрын
@@BELIEVER78989 there is but the interesting part of it is that their fans first defense is to drag other groups into it which is a double edged sword
@sevii.14
@sevii.14 Ай бұрын
@@nxjsxbh their improvement was WAY too improved IMO last perf they hardly sang, no breath control, kept having vocal fuckups but week 2 suddenly NONE of it and they danced a lot on top of it?? I'm not hating on them but they were relying on something because how much of a training in one week can get rid of all the things
@taonganyasulu5662
@taonganyasulu5662 Ай бұрын
For those defending min heejin y'all don't understand what she has done, she has been leaking personal information on the hybe's artists
@radiyaamin207
@radiyaamin207 Ай бұрын
For the Lessarafim case, it just started with their last comeback's controversy, so if they don't show any drastic changes, people will still criticize or bully them. As for the second week, that was okay; at least that was their best so far I've seen, and it also proves they need more training. You'll get my point if you see Ateez's performance. Compared to Lessarafim, Ateez was so good. As for the controversy between Hype and Ador, we should wait for more details, as we already know what happened to 50 50. What struck me as strange about both Newjeans and Illit is how alike their songs, ideas, formations, marketing approaches, styles, etc. are. I had just seen rival companies do this but never seen the same company do it. It almost feels like the Coca-Cola Company is releasing the same product without changing the label or flavor except for the name, so in one word, they are selling identical products, so why will people buy both? They will either choose this or that (company used for reference only). It feels like they are automatically creating a barrier between the two groups.
@simjaeyunultimatefan6529
@simjaeyunultimatefan6529 Ай бұрын
Source Music and HYBE themselves should be blamed for LSF controversy. If they didn't pushed someone who's inexperienced in live performance, things wouldn't be this messy. They have a lot of groups they could send, why choose LSF? When they knew the group was already criticized before for having such poor vocals. HYBE has great groups especially boy groups who are experienced in live performance, Enhypen, TXT, SVT, even their rookie group BND from KOZ are really good, or New Jeans, so why send LSF knowing they will only received backlash? I've watched the first set of performances and I can say they have set the bar really low for K-pop, especially Yunjin who's known as an opera singer, I haven't watch their recent one but I hope they really did well. All these things only lead to hates for these girls, and guess what, it wasn't the company that was affected but the group themselves. I feel bad for them for all the criticism and hateful comments, people should hate and criticize their company, not the girls.
@miuthub7954
@miuthub7954 Ай бұрын
Exactly what kind of management is this? Aren't all the rehearsals and their practices and performances evaluated by their managing team? It seems like they sent an ill equipped and prepared LSF, how could Coachella be their first fully live performance? Mind boggling no one on their team said let's smash live performances before a big international stage. Who is actually guiding LSF?!
@saniAgg
@saniAgg Ай бұрын
It's no doubt that NJ popularized the Y2K concept but they didn't own or invented it ( iam taking about adour not the girls) . Using similar concept is common in music industry and illit sounds more dreamy than newjeans. also min hijin is acting like she has write,composed and done everything for NJ and hybe did nothing. SHAME ON HER !( I'm not hating on the girls I think the poor girl's are stuck in this mess.😑
@viewer3155
@viewer3155 Ай бұрын
Seunghan ♥️
@TohruHonda26
@TohruHonda26 Ай бұрын
Tbh ATEEZ did a better performance at Coachella than LeSerrafim
@L_E_T_apostrophe_S_G_O
@L_E_T_apostrophe_S_G_O Ай бұрын
7:10 her motives weren't driven by money? and illit is copying new jeans? just how shameless can this woman be??? New jeans will continue to be under hybe and mhj is just gonna get kicked out
@NowAndToEternity
@NowAndToEternity Ай бұрын
Both parties did not mention anything about control. Because Mhj already have control and full creative input of Nj. In a newest report, she did say that how can what Hybe claim is true? How can she take over Nj w 18% equity? And why does she even want to take over when she already have control? Even if she found external investors, it will come down to Hybe decision on whether to sell their shares or not. It is insane how people can overlook lots things just simple because they dont like someone.
@tanishthajaiswal8928
@tanishthajaiswal8928 Ай бұрын
I still don't get it.?
@user-ml6hq2ci2j
@user-ml6hq2ci2j Ай бұрын
Hybe need blacksheep
@lastdance7991
@lastdance7991 Ай бұрын
But someone inside already admitted having those files on their computer. He even said this has nothing to do MHJ or any other ador staff. I planned this all by myself. They have no idea. Is this some kinda kdrama, lol 😅😅😅 Taking the fall for her.
@BELIEVER78989
@BELIEVER78989 Ай бұрын
Hybe already has proof of Min Heejin's wrong doings inside the company like abuse of power, leaking private information about idols etc, now that she's caught she's playing the victim card, either way Hybe won't be working with her anymore and thats for sure.
@RekhaSharma-hh1sv
@RekhaSharma-hh1sv Ай бұрын
If she tries to take away njs with - 1. They won't be able to have njs as their name anymore (hybe trademark) 2. Have to pay 80% of 16.1billion won that was invested in njs . 3. Have to pay contract cancellation amount (big sum) 4. Brand deals cancel . 5. Ador is created by hybe so she will have to find her own label . 6. Their songs will not be theirs anymore.
@Haajjeerr
@Haajjeerr Ай бұрын
Let's be honest tho ,.. ILLIT concept is sooooooo similar to newjeans, that was the first thought that popped in my head when I saw them for the first time and then the music video and the song of their debut sealed it for me.. they are so similar
@rusher0015
@rusher0015 Ай бұрын
It's the y2k concept and it's the new trend in kpop
@JZL-hp5iz
@JZL-hp5iz Ай бұрын
I just wanna make like a random little update here, but I have family specifically a brother-in-law and a stepdad who are Korean and living in Korea. I would like to point out that the information that the Korean general Public and fans are getting versus the international fans are completely different. I thought something was funny and up because I have, basic Korean skills and like the articles that I was seeing in Korean and the titles versus the ones we were seeing in America were completely different and I was correct. I stand by what I stated in my comment, which is this company is trying to use her as scapegoat. Korean fans are actually on her side. The divide that people been talking about is between the Korean/Asian fans and the international fans because we’re getting completely different new stories. The Korean fans have sat there and got an actual facts which have shown that this company doesn’t even have half of the evidence that they’re saying they did and she debunked so many things in her Conference and the reason why she broke down is because she was able to show that new jeans was supposed to come out with teasers. They were supposed to have things pre-debut coming out and the company refused to allow her to do that because they were mad that she didn’t want to debut, Sakura and Chaewon in this group, even though she stated that they wouldn’t suit the concept of refreshing and like youthful and young as well, even pointing out that she didn’t even even think that a 20 something-year-old would want to do that concept which I don’t blame her for Sakura is like a year younger than me and when she debuted, I feel like she debut with the perfect song I could not see her doing the new jeans concept and I couldn’t see her doing it for more than maybe a year before she probably either got tired of it or it started to feel a bit weird. She also showed proof that she wasn’t getting witchcraft done. Also can people who are Asian shut the fuck up about Shaman and how seeing them is a bad thing or devilish because I’ve seen so many international fans trying to demonize that when that’s just a part of the culture. I’m not Korean, but I am half Asian and my mom went to Asan for single one of her pregnancies and so did my stepmom Would work more or better if they got married and what date because it’s not part of your culture that someone goes and gets a tarot card reading or look at astrology is trying to like possessed people that’s how stupid y’all sound. Also, the fact that she proved that she never mentioned anything about Aespa Bang PD did matter of fact, he asked her if she can make this girl group crush them, annihilate them and their fans and do even better and she never replied back. She just replied back with ha ha ha, because she didn’t know how to answer that she said, she didn’t understand why he was asking her that she understands you no competition, but like her girl wouldn’t even be debuting in the same generation and they were completely different vibes so she was like why are you asking me this? International people have been talking about there has been proof of her conniving against them and I’ve seen articles written about the shit they found on her laptop and all this she even stated in her conference, she never handed over her computer, her laptop because it has all of her ideas for new jeans and the boy group she wants to debut even talk to the fact that the company was preventing her from debuting another group . At the end of the day, this is trying to just destroy this woman like I said she’s a weirdo don’t get it twisted but the company has more reach and more power internationally than they doing Korea so they can’t lie to the Korean fans and the Korean fans are gonna make sure that the other Asian fans knows what the fuck is happening and going on, but they can lie to the international fans and the international fans are not going to go and look up all the art articles are not going to look up on Naver. What’s being said what’s happening so they’re going to eat up whatever the company is telling them.
@vastadmist2258
@vastadmist2258 Ай бұрын
This is just a marketing strategy for new jeans comeback in May. They always use some controversy to build anticipation. Afterall all publicity is good publicity, that's Adore's policy
@Deamon_pox101
@Deamon_pox101 Ай бұрын
lmao....could be true🤣
@Giggsy11
@Giggsy11 Ай бұрын
No this is too serious, hybe stocks drop & lost more than 11% value, it's equal 600M USD
@bluemoon1970
@bluemoon1970 Ай бұрын
dude this is serious.
@sevii.14
@sevii.14 Ай бұрын
@@Giggsy11 im happy for hybe downfall smh they have not been handling the companies well at all
@HailToTheMeep
@HailToTheMeep Ай бұрын
seventeenisrightthereWhy should it ruin NJ’s image? This is MHJ.
@SyndroOmCani
@SyndroOmCani Ай бұрын
I feel like this woman is being framed, there is something extremely sus about how HYBE is going on about this. I mean Illit is LITERALLY NewJeans 2.0. Why they would do that is beyond me.
@K-oreo
@K-oreo Ай бұрын
I don’t know if it’s just me, but Le Sserafim skills in singing keep going down. I mean even Yunjin is starting to struggle to sing live which was so shocking to me. I don’t know what’s happening in HYBE but seriously it’s not a trend to not train idols on how to sing. Even ILLIT struggles with singing live and they just debuted 😭 either HYBE needs to step up or these girls need to make time to practice their vocals with private sessions.
@Fearless.cat1209
@Fearless.cat1209 Ай бұрын
Hybe wants to have too many groups I feel. Better just have 2 and manage them correctly
@crystalsnow1138
@crystalsnow1138 Ай бұрын
Well BTS is obviously one, who would be the other?
@rhenzernieta2914
@rhenzernieta2914 Ай бұрын
If I can remember Coachella FORBIDS Lip Syncing since Coachella is known for LIVE VOCALS
@Valentine98
@Valentine98 Ай бұрын
Lip syncing is allowed actually
@jennnavenus1415
@jennnavenus1415 Ай бұрын
They used a loud backtrack to cover their vocals it seems
@TaylorLeeKnow
@TaylorLeeKnow Ай бұрын
If you have money and connections, anything is possible in this world.
@miraza.
@miraza. Ай бұрын
lipsync isn’t forbidden but it’s unusual
@samriddhipandey3955
@samriddhipandey3955 Ай бұрын
@@jennnavenus1415 i'm confused..doesn't every group use backtrack?
@katiesto3877
@katiesto3877 Ай бұрын
Imo I still think that LSRF wasn't ready for such a big music festival (Coachella). I could imagine that they would've suited to (for example Lollapaloza) more than Coachella. I would suggest HYBE to finally hire proper vocal trainers since the girls/ other groups can't always lip sync, use autotune, etc. At first I agreed with the critizim for the first week because that was really uh yea. After I saw the massive hate (and as I read in the comments they also got death threats) I'm staying out if this and hope for proper vocal training.
@loveontopfan3100
@loveontopfan3100 Ай бұрын
Honestly, I don't think that most of the top girl groups are ready to take on Coachella. A lot of them are not compelling performers and don't have enough live experience. At least LSF are good performers and I say that as someone who is not a LSF fan.
@miuthub7954
@miuthub7954 Ай бұрын
Lollapalooza Chicago is still a big deal: it's an international stage that's highly regarded. I know it from live bands and actual musicians who perform there. I agree, I don't know what their management is thinking. Seems so odd that LSF were given feedback that said yep you are great now go smash it. All other artists have had prior extensive live performances experience or have solid vocals. Big performers at MAMA doesn't cut it. 😂
@twinkle1602
@twinkle1602 Ай бұрын
I don't care about these drama all I want is seunghan to come back😢😢
@hbrant
@hbrant Ай бұрын
Youngseo and Seunghan were together behind the scenes and got spotted by MHJ's spies. She blackmailed Youngseo before her debut with Illit. This woman is a troublemaker.
@madkmadk6809
@madkmadk6809 Ай бұрын
​@@hbrantis that why Youngseo left even though she was in the debut lineup?
@chaewonstolemyheart
@chaewonstolemyheart Ай бұрын
Okay but this Le sserafim hate train is TOO MUCH. They did really good in coachella week 2 and now people are saying that they use a loud back track when they literally proved that they were singing live. You all just need to accept that they did great, what is your problem with lsrfm?
@umihage6909
@umihage6909 Ай бұрын
I support min hee jin. Before attacking me, here's the reasons : 1. Hybe persuaded her to join them because hybe wanted to prove the theory wrong about them not being able to produce successful girls groups although min hee jin was about to resign in sm. 2. Only minji was taken from source music to form the new girl group. The rest of the members were casted through auditions and hybe promised to debut them officially as the first girl group from hybe officially and promote them. 3. That's when hybe decided to focus more on lesserafim after chaewon and sakura decided to join the lesserafim because as they were already known hybe thought that it would be a safer option and delayed newjeans debut. 3. Min hee jin was at this (as she should) so which is why she created ador and saved them by debuting them there instead. 4. When lesserafim and newjean's prpmotions overlapped, hybe asked her not to promote them due to the immense love new jeans was receiving. 5. As she is having such a big success with her job, i guess she was unsatisfied by the way hybe treated her and also her pay etc 6. With illit's concept being similar to newjeans, min hee jin got dissatisfied ( some say illit are different but still there are plenty of similarities in concept photos, parts of choreo, hair styling etc) 7. Ultimately min hee jin and hybe had a quarrel over it and hybe decided to kick her out.
@Naijaaaa13
@Naijaaaa13 Ай бұрын
i just want seunghan back all of this is making me mad.
@6tribes
@6tribes Ай бұрын
She is wrong to drag the young members of New Jeans and ILLIt into her problem with HYBE, seems ot be all about her
@sweetlikebubblegum_
@sweetlikebubblegum_ Ай бұрын
illiterally can't with meanheejin
@ethanchasejackson
@ethanchasejackson Ай бұрын
I see what you did there lol😂
@miuthub7954
@miuthub7954 Ай бұрын
Oh no... Now I only see "illit"erate 😮😢
@-NWJNS-
@-NWJNS- Ай бұрын
i genuinely worry for newjeans future cos the way i see it no matter which side newjeans stays in the end, they will be very much affected: 1. if the girls stayed with MHJ, HYBE as a conglomerate have the ability to basically to screw over any entertainer's career in Korea at this point. 2. if they stayed with HYBE, i just hope they don't get the unwanted child treatment.
@sensoine
@sensoine Ай бұрын
I do feel, hybe made illit to replace newjeans unfortunately
@-NWJNS-
@-NWJNS- Ай бұрын
@@sensoine for me this is a point of genuine concern. hybe might even try overhauling newjeans whole aesthetic and concept to avoid internal competition within the label. as we all know illit is bang's brainchild so naturally the group will be the company's priority. this leaves newjeans as 2nd? 3rd? or even get neglected? this is worrying me so much!
@FIGHTFAN777
@FIGHTFAN777 Ай бұрын
R.i.p Cherry Bullet Legendary 3rd gen group
@user-jf8ln7ws8y
@user-jf8ln7ws8y Ай бұрын
Hybe vs Ador sounds like a kdrama sub plot.
@Phrbtt7
@Phrbtt7 Ай бұрын
With LE SSERAFIM AND ILLIT I blame their labels- You can't tell me that management didn't know that the groups were not ready to debut/performances with the vocal challenges we have heard recently. To subject the girls to all of this is crazy. I believe they have the talent- they just needed more training- Now the challenge will be for them to prove they have what it takes vocally. It's shame I blame the label not the groups.
@itsjustabigailify
@itsjustabigailify Ай бұрын
1st week for LSF was not ideal, they were not ready for Coachella and that's the fact 2nd week, they took to their stride and made huge improvements abeit some adjustments and consistency with other performers. overall, LSF still needs audio work, but I think their resiliency as artists stood out for me.
@KVANNI
@KVANNI Ай бұрын
Do you really think they can just improve In one week? 😂😂 bro there's proof of kazuha lipsyncing at cohella week 2
@14-harshithaganesh84
@14-harshithaganesh84 Ай бұрын
They didnt do shit. Its just heavily edited and autotuned (microphones have inbuilt auto tune),travis Scott uses it often. So yes,their vocals still suck. Ask your idols to take some accountability
@KVANNI
@KVANNI Ай бұрын
@@14-harshithaganesh84 FINNALY SOMEONE SMART *Did you also see the clips that kentzs posted on x??* 😭😭
@blueraine21
@blueraine21 Ай бұрын
@@KVANNI wow you must be a really diehard fan to spent so much time on ppl you dont even like 🤡 girl get a bf or at least do something productive in your life instead of projecting your insecurities and inferiority complex online 🤡 Also you are a blink and you have no right to criticize as Blackpink vocals is also garbage 🤡
@miuthub7954
@miuthub7954 Ай бұрын
They still showed up and gave it their best shot. Even Frank Ocean cancelled his second show I think? I'm no LSF fan but who the heck in their management team is telling them that everything is fine?
@multistan9582
@multistan9582 Ай бұрын
There is alot of things thats going on with the Min Hee Jin situation...and its even getting more intense....power and greed has gotten to her head because of New Jeans success to the point shes pulling the girls into the mess along with Illit...and even allegedly claimed BTS, Riize etc....also stole her creative ideas😅.... This news really needs to update..this is like 12hours behind...lol
@naemcam
@naemcam Ай бұрын
WE WANT SEUNGHAN back!!!!!! RIIZE Is seven to all the new briize out here ‼️‼️‼️‼️
@dianaosazenaye1313
@dianaosazenaye1313 Ай бұрын
At least they are doing this
@linonimon2742
@linonimon2742 Ай бұрын
In the hybe and lee minhee feud, I am definitely siding with hybe as lee minhees response towards the allegations against her by hybe, she was the one trying to divert the attention on Illit, basically setting them up to get hated on by immature newjeans fans, and to portray her as the victim of hybe
@Sunnysunnyy461
@Sunnysunnyy461 Ай бұрын
LE SSERAFIM can’t sing live and they fans keep saying that they did good.. but they didn’t!
@Aa_rya.K
@Aa_rya.K Ай бұрын
The people who attended Coachella said they enjoyed the show. Sure there live vocals weren't that good but they still improved even if it is just a bit. Why r kpopstans so obsessed with perfection
@Chaewoii
@Chaewoii Ай бұрын
They did , hating on them is just giving her more attention , and just to remind you Eunchae is still 17,even one of her family member spoked up, this is not okay at all hating on a 17 yr old when it’s not even her fault ,last week you guys said ‘coachella doesn’t allow lip syncing’ what happened to that huh? Just trying to find another reason to hate on lesserafim even when they actually did GOOD,so please go get a life instead of hating on some people. Thank you.
@marialovesmarklee
@marialovesmarklee Ай бұрын
Hybe is just destroying kpop
@blueraine21
@blueraine21 Ай бұрын
kpop stans like you are the *REAL* reason why kpop is getting destroyed
@OgadimmaPamela
@OgadimmaPamela Ай бұрын
riize is 7 sm should bring seunghan back
@nikilee6605
@nikilee6605 Ай бұрын
I feel like min heejin had all the red flags to begin with and now shes just showing her true colours
@user-jf8ln7ws8y
@user-jf8ln7ws8y Ай бұрын
It is true that lsf vocals need some serious work, anyone not acknowleding this is delusion because nobody wants to see their favorite idols in a negative spotlight. It is also valid for people to point it out because you see something you say something thats how fandoms work BUT please don't hate and personally attack each member because their hands are somewhat tied and the walk the path set up by their company. The criticism towards them has went astray from the main point which was supposed to be about their vocals now to the most random things which is unnecessary. They are humans too, treat them how you wanted to be treated because these people get on a high horse when some idol takes their life saying mental health matters and what not. Again I acknowledge that their vocals are not upto to the mark with respect to their counterparts, they need to put some serious work not to sound like people randomly singing in their shower😂 and it is high time they polish and perfect it to their best abilities.
@pollycipher
@pollycipher Ай бұрын
OMG Cherry Bullet disbanded! I love that girl group, they're not my ult but I'm a casual fan of Cherry bullet. I hope that the members will have a good future as soloists. You will be missed Cherry bullet.
@__Artista__
@__Artista__ Ай бұрын
Not even a single company is treating it's artists good
@vlai6730
@vlai6730 Ай бұрын
Atp it doesn't even matter if Seunghan chooses to leave the group and persue a non-celebrity life, just tell us what is going on
@yen-8680
@yen-8680 Ай бұрын
MHJ greed and method is truly like SM unethical methods, i swear everyone in sm environment is so toxic and rotten.
@-wr5bc
@-wr5bc Ай бұрын
Wasn't she in sm too?
@melodieluanepaula
@melodieluanepaula Ай бұрын
@@-wr5bc she was SM's creative director before signing her contract with hybe
@Sayuri8663
@Sayuri8663 Ай бұрын
She betrayed the SM you say, and Hybe gave her more money, so they know what they were getting into, it's her thing, she's interested, not the company's.
@tbakhalid4781
@tbakhalid4781 Ай бұрын
She literally ditched SM to join Hybe cause they were more popular these days and provided more money. Hybe knew what they wer getting themselves into when they hired her.
@KingKikikoi
@KingKikikoi Ай бұрын
Well SM does stand for Slave Master 😂
@sunnissi6026
@sunnissi6026 Ай бұрын
Brave girls said you not stopping them and I love that for them ❤
@marksmith8210
@marksmith8210 Ай бұрын
They are this generation's Momoland...1 hit wonder then move on.
@seaflea3
@seaflea3 Ай бұрын
very informative, thanks very much
@wissiworld
@wissiworld Ай бұрын
*Hybe is dying....as min hee jin said.."their are a lot of f***king bastards here*
@yokshiichicago7712
@yokshiichicago7712 Ай бұрын
Bang si hyuk is a manipulater he is playing victim card with this as if they didn't do anything wrong min heejin has all the rights to protect herself
@kpopdanceemirror
@kpopdanceemirror Ай бұрын
I don’t know what to feel about the thing with Min Hee Jin, because (how I know and heard) she was already a controversial person before that and right know I just don’t know how to clearly feel. But also it is somehow strange, because you just can’t see anything clear were I can say “yes, it is like that”. I just feel very sorry for NewJeans
@NowAndToEternity
@NowAndToEternity Ай бұрын
Both parties did not mention anything about control. Because Mhj already have control and full creative input of Nj. In a newest report, she did say that how can what Hybe claim is true? How can she take over Nj w 18% equity? And why does she even want to take over when she already have control? Even if she found external investors, it will come down to Hybe decision on whether to sell their shares or not. It is insane how people can overlook lots things just simple because they dont like someone.
@kpopdanceemirror
@kpopdanceemirror Ай бұрын
@@NowAndToEternity thank you for sharing your opinion, because I really had difficulty’s to see through all of this and understand all of this
@JZL-hp5iz
@JZL-hp5iz Ай бұрын
Honestly, honestly, I think it’s because the company if I’m being honest, they’re doing this on purpose. As the person who answered you gave you none of that makes sense with her trying to say or what they’re accusing her of wanting to do, but people are ignoring the fact that this company has been being called out internationally and in South Korea for the past month because people have been complaining to them about how some of their boy groups are being overworked, they’ve been going on. They’ve been having comeback no breaks. There actively working with scooter who is currently being investigated, not only by the police, but the federal government in America for allegedly tax evasion fraud and working with people who have ties to child and adult sex rings. Not to mention the fact that they have signed deals on with two or three different companies that are being boycott. It not only internationally but also in South Korea for supporting the genocide company has been under a lot of heat and fire for the past month and that’s not even talking about people feeling as if the companies neglecting training their female idol so coming out with us is very strategic in my opinion if feels like they did this on purpose, so people will stop paying attention to the actual issues that are happening with the company and start paying attention to this because they already knew people didn’t like her so throwing her under the bus will get people to pay attention to her and not the shady things that the companies doing
@kpopdanceemirror
@kpopdanceemirror Ай бұрын
@@JZL-hp5iz ok, thank you really
@Ellezarus
@Ellezarus Ай бұрын
Well, pausing their singing can be also within AR/backtrack/etc, it's not that hard. I like them, but it's way too shady for that sudden improvement in just a week. But I agree, there is a lot of unnecessary hate instead of normal criticism
@fatima-zahrarabtaoui3810
@fatima-zahrarabtaoui3810 Ай бұрын
At some point the criticism that is directed towards lesserafim has became a straight harassment and bullying, I can tell that k-netezens have made a skipgoat, they even dare to bully a teen like eunchea it s true that they nee to improve their vocals. But there is a fine line between criticism and bullying 😢
@christopherculler1390
@christopherculler1390 Ай бұрын
newjeans is global now with many sponsors and are ambassadors for many companies. They are closer to what Blackpink is than what Fifty Fifty is with one hit and a copyright issue. I just cant see a large company like Hybe dismantling a global product like newjeans. We are talking McDonalds, Coke, Apple, Dior, Nike, Chanel and so many others I cant remember them all. Then you add the fans and the music and it would set a bad precedent too for other groups and subsidiaries and how companies interact with each other. It would be bad business and many companies all over the world would lose a ton of current and future profit if Hybe were to do anything bad to newjeans. The newjeans product and brand could make them and their partners money for years to come....
@RekhaSharma-hh1sv
@RekhaSharma-hh1sv Ай бұрын
Update yourself
@sensoine
@sensoine Ай бұрын
I do think they made illit to replace newjeans, that’s why illit debuted early and very similar to newjeans
@loveontopfan3100
@loveontopfan3100 Ай бұрын
New Jeans is nowhere near a Blackpink in terms of popularity. But I do agree they are big enough that Hybe will not dismantle them. Their music direction probably won't be impacted too each either once MHJ is gone.
@blueraine21
@blueraine21 Ай бұрын
@@loveontopfan3100 well duh... New jeans is barely 2 years old while BP already finished 7 year contract.. New Jeans already surpassed some of BP achievements and are projected to surpass BP brand in few years..
@OYJluv
@OYJluv Ай бұрын
But i can see hybe wanting full control of ador and New Jeans revenue and contracts
@Hyu_yi
@Hyu_yi Ай бұрын
I get that le-Sserafim’s vocals and performance wasn’t great but at the end of a day we should be careful on what we say and do..these girls are humans and have feelings after all..constructive criticism is fine but just straight up bullying these girls are just out of line…if you don’t know the difference maybe you’re the problem..
@cct2825
@cct2825 Ай бұрын
Agree. I'd like anyone complaining about them singing with a backtrack actually try to sing and dance their material at the same time. Those girls are amazing.
@BenSoloakaKyloRen
@BenSoloakaKyloRen Ай бұрын
Le Sserafim did fine both weeks. People just making up false claims by this point. Their vocals were performed with the same sound engineering routines like Blackpink prior. Backtrack was there, but you can CLEARLY hear all 5 of them trying very very hard.
@belaytriks
@belaytriks Ай бұрын
Well BB Girls only released a couple of songs under Warner. 💔 I wonder what happened.
@cupidttps
@cupidttps Ай бұрын
5:32 not her dragging ILLIT up in the mess
@JZL-hp5iz
@JZL-hp5iz Ай бұрын
HYBE need the scapegoat that’s what’s happening here and I think it’s interesting that people aren’t seeing this. Like is it just me or is it not interesting that people have been pointing out the fact that the new girl group sounds eerily similar to NewJeans not only that but bang PD was the one in charge of their debut and he’s the only other person outside of Minhee who knows exactly what format formula looks like to creating a girl group like when they first signed her on and decided to back her company and most of it. They literally talked about the fact that the only person she talked to and told about the girl group and how she wanted to create, it was being PD so he’s the only one who would know exactly what to do to replicate that sound. People aren’t looking at the fact that everything that they’re saying makes sense to a certain degree but also this is happening after the company has been getting called out repeatedly for the past months now. Fans have been getting on them for not doing proper vocal training or stamina training with their girl groups, fans of their boy groups have been complaining that some of the boy groups are being overworked because they just been doing comebacks and tours for like two years straight , people have been calling them out for working with scooter for people who don’t understand why people are pissed off about that not only was scooter in charge of several big celebrities in America like Taylor, Swift, Justin Bieber, Ariana Grande, etc., but the people that he allegedly worked with to buy out Taylor Swift entire discography Along with himself are being investigated because they found out that there are ties to him with child and sex trafficking rings along with ties to the Epstein island and the whole to movement and he’s being investigated for tax fraud, tax evasion, and a bunch of other crimes that he committed in America and HYBE is this to work with group minors to further push them in America fans are calling them out because they’re like this man is being investigated in his own country. Why are you working with him. They’ve been people talking about protesting and there has been emails and other things being sent to the company along with the company being called out for all allegedly being bribed enough to work with brands that are known to be funding the genocide and them not caring because they’re getting paid really well. Like they have been getting called out for the past month people have been pissed off. People have been saying that this company‘s going downhill and then all of a sudden after this woman doesn’t interview where she alludes to the fact that she feels as if her concept was stolen and given to another girl group on purpose. All this information comes out my due this is information. The company would’ve had to have had for at least several months if not a year. So they’ve been aware of this, but they decided not to do anything at all or even talk about it until right now and I’m saying that as someone who works in the business field and who has worked with entertainment businesses before they would have had to have had this information and have had known it for at least six months to a year for there to be any credibility and enough credibility for them to be able to go public with it without making themselves look bad so they’ve been holding onto this, as if they were waiting for a moment to use it so that they could get the public to hate on someone that wasn’t them. She is their scapegoat. They want people to stop paying attention to the fact that they seem to just keep pushing out groups and not giving them proper training. They want people to stop paying attention to the literal criminals that they’re working with and they want people to sit there and see them as this like really good company and it’s not working but it also is. I’ve seen way too many people being like see the company does Care how dare she but then people are ignoring the fact that the company has been being called out for their miss management of some of their groups cause some of the groups have been working so hard to the point where members had to go on breaks because they’re literally mentally exhausted so some groups have been literally during live streams, talking about and kind of low-key begging the fans that they want to break because all they do is go to the dorms and then the company and they’ve been living like that for like two years straight likeThe company wants everyone to ignore the fact that they have so many shitty things happening and people have been calling them out way more than they have been for the past month and a half so they’re throwing something else cause it’s like if you pay attention to this what we’re doing doesn’t look as bad.
@BELIEVER78989
@BELIEVER78989 Ай бұрын
Sorry but does New Jeans own the whole y2k concept, the concept existed for a very long time, Illit is just following the trend nothing more, and I am not going to read the rest of your silly comment, y'all and conspiracy theories really need to take a rest💀
@wavzone
@wavzone Ай бұрын
This conspiracy is not only unrealistic, but laughably childish. I hate HYBE as much as the next guy, but this wall of text makes it clear you're either very new to kpop, get your info from tiktok or you're just ignorant. Every company has fucked up issues like HYBE, EVERY SINGLE ONE. I doubt they're using this issue to "cover up" or as a scape goat. If they needed to do that, they would've done it without risking losing one of their biggest financial gains (newjeans). You are either very young or very uneducated to assume that's what's going on.
@TheRealYati
@TheRealYati Ай бұрын
This is a bullshit theory. HYBE is a shit company but they’re aren’t gonna risk damaging their reputation and stocks if they don’t have evidence of their accusations. Also, MHJ is a terrible person and has been for a long time now but NJ fans continue to support her
@devo1984x
@devo1984x Ай бұрын
Lucky Girl (a song abt manifesting your dreams) isn’t even remotely similar concept to OMG (theyre literally in a mental hospital). iLLiT is going towards a more cutesy Japanese otaku vibe. the only similarities or “formula” copied is natural black hair, natural makeup, and y2k styling. Sure, new jeans and MHJ started this trend and they deserve credit for that. But if i go into work with a great idea, like natural black hair creates intrigue on each member and gives more hairstyle inspo for fans AND benefits the idols hair health long term for their career, and others realize thats a fantastic idea that benefits everyone, is it plagiarism or beneficial to the industry?? Unless any symbols, direct imagery, or music melodies were stolen her plagiarism accusations don’t hold in a court. MHJ is deflecting from her being audited and investigating by crying plagiarism out of nowhere. She is namedropping iLLiT and starting fanwars which is extremely unprofessional for a CEO. Do you see YG crying about any girlcrush that followed BP? No, because if you’re secure in your concept you know you are the trendsetter. She is distracting from the real issue here- her shady business practices. Don’t buy into her crap.
@sevii.14
@sevii.14 Ай бұрын
@@BELIEVER78989 they dont but there was a reason why newjeans went famous, mind you multiple groups have gone for this y2k/retro concept esp we saw the surge of it when bts came with dynamite but why is that none of their songs immediately go viral? they don't own nor did they popularize it but its not the y2k trend in itself its their musicality. newjeans have a proper concept and follow a very similar discography and while other artists do this trend they have their own type of music like a sign by billie or seoul sonyo sound they're all the same genre but different music style while illit tbh has always been seen has nj lookalike since their pictures came out right after lineup was confirmed I feel like if one or two people say it, its an opinion but the thing is most of the general fans thought it was newjeans when they first saw the group picture only to realize its another group
@erinlee5936
@erinlee5936 Ай бұрын
How ironic (or coincidental?) is it that ILLIT and RIIZE are in the news, considering Min Hee Jin also had a hand (allegedly) in some of their controversies. I feel like it's not fair for Seunghan to leave, now that the allegations are out about Min Hee Jin targeting him as part of a larger plot against HYBE. That's his decision to leave if he does but there's still a chance for him to return to the industry, like Trainee A's Leo. Consider it a blessing in disguise that he's far away from Min Hee Jin, SM, and the toxic fans that MHJ manipulated in her failed coup against HYBE. He deserves better.
@1doorthesea
@1doorthesea Ай бұрын
its so funny to me how all these ceo’s are going crazy with constant disagreements, controversies and just being awful executives by mismanaging their artists while zico’s dancing to magnetic, releasing music with THE JENNIE KIM and managing his talented babies, boynextdoor as they dominate 5th gen
@Taecoconut
@Taecoconut Ай бұрын
They do lip sync… and also sing along with the backing track
@not_in_the_mood
@not_in_the_mood Ай бұрын
in the first performance y’all were btching about them not being able to sing because of a FEW minor vocal mess ups that yall seen from a FEW 5 sec clips from the end of an hour long performance, but now that they redeemed themselves in the section performance and proved to all of yall that they can in fact sing, yall want to claim that they were lipsyncing…you kpop stan’s are literally the most flip-floppy people on earth istg 😭.
@Taecoconut
@Taecoconut Ай бұрын
@@not_in_the_mood I’ve never said they don’t lip sync … I’m not one of their fans and ALL kpop artists lip sync - 🤷🏻‍♀️
@not_in_the_mood
@not_in_the_mood Ай бұрын
@@Taecoconut that’s what i’m saying tho. in the first performance many people were upset about their vocals and saying they sounded bad, but now that they did better in the second one, people are now claiming it’s lipsyncing. in both performances you could hear the emphasis on the words and tell that their mics were on. they did use a bit of backing tracks but it wasn’t super loud to the point where you couldn’t distinguish it between their real voices. so y’all need to make up your minds and figure out which narrative yall are going to go with and stick with it because the constant switching up is getting annoying.
@Taecoconut
@Taecoconut Ай бұрын
@@not_in_the_mood ohhhhhhh - you’re talking about specifically coachella - i was saying in general they lip sync… cos all artists do. There are girls in backing tracks they lip sync to catch their breath so it’s half live half not - with them singing along. The only real artists whom I’ve seen done purely singing and dancing like a loon and pull it off is Michael Jackson and Beyoncé. Taylor swift sings live but most of the time she’s not dancing like a loon
@vanalikakotian2592
@vanalikakotian2592 Ай бұрын
No matter how much you'll praise. Le serrefim improvements don't even match the standards kpop has. For these standards many small children invest their entire childhood and yet don't become kpop stars. And ppl out there are thinking that the little improvement in le serrafim is a heavenly achievement??
@rusher0015
@rusher0015 Ай бұрын
Lmao have you seen 4th gen groups? Mid af with a few exceptions. This is the new standard of kpop, debuting pretty but not talented idols who will lip sync 90% of the time.
@BTSiyaCreation
@BTSiyaCreation Ай бұрын
Min her jin give statement about illit ok i agree because i saw that hybe copies new jeans but why min her jin put case at bts also and other groups bts doesn't copies them their songs are different and i think new jeans forgot about that days when they made video of dance challenges with bts to get famous
@nurakhmar20
@nurakhmar20 Ай бұрын
In the case of Min Hee Jin, others can critisiced me but I agree with her allegations. Since NJ debut, groups like Boys Next Door, ILLIT, RIIZE really resemble NJ concept. I do not say we need to protect one concept for each group, but since BLIFT is in the same parent company with ADOR, there should be some sort of distinguish, from there we can see the strength of a group instead of blindly copying other success. And again, why now ? They can actually do prior NJ comeback. They need to aware that NJ still minor and FiftyFiifty scandal should give a lesson to all agency co.
@manjitheerratic5127
@manjitheerratic5127 Ай бұрын
About LE SSERAFIM, I know that we should all be gentle but there are things which are really questionable: After 7 days from Week 1 to Week 2 , they got a better performance. Then why did they not perform like that in Week 1 ? It is 2 years since their debut. How have they trained their vocal for 2 years ? Was what happened in Week 1 was real or they just did it to stir social media up ? Some people said that they showed to people that they sang live without backtrack. For a matter of fact, why do you have to prove to other people something if you sure about its genuinity ?
@sevii.14
@sevii.14 Ай бұрын
when they showed the backtrack you can hear it being mid loud tbh I guess that's what worked against them cuz ppl wouldn't hv guessed how loud their backtrack is and stuff if they didn't stop leaving their lines like that 😭 but IMO its def real for 1st week cuz their weak vocals have always been a topic since debut but their real hate came with easy and smart 😭I'm questioning if week 2 is real because if they couldn't improve by a lot with 2 years then how the hell did they improve within 7 days for weekend 2
@14-harshithaganesh84
@14-harshithaganesh84 Ай бұрын
​@@sevii.14its cause their microphones had inbuilt auto tune. Its impossible to improve in 2 weeks.
@blueraine21
@blueraine21 Ай бұрын
Week 1 - They went 95% live vocal and put went FULL on singing and dancing at the same time from the get-go so the result is they ran out of gas in 2nd half, 50% of their singing is out of tune/pitch.. This performance is definition of RAW vocals if you regularly attend concerts in the west unlike kpop concerts which relies heavily on backtrack, yes ALL kpop concerts.. Week 2 - They use 70% live vocals 30% backtrack/pitch correction... They most definitely sing live as proof that Eunchae, Chaewon and Kazuha intentionally missed few lines in many songs to prove its LIVE... They toned down their choreo by ALOT and mostly stand still if the lines they gonna deliver is challenging... Performance-wise, Week 2 is a lot cleaner but way less energy as typical of any KPOP GG acts..
@manjitheerratic5127
@manjitheerratic5127 Ай бұрын
​@@blueraine21 A very dedicated explanation, but you know what. Music is what we hear and we judge it based on what we hear ! Not though explanation how you make it ! Coachella is not a stage between one performing unit ( one artist, and one group ) to one audience or fans of one unit, you serve many audiences along with other artists. What we have on news right now is an average experience of all opinions. You can say other people music perception isn't as high-level as your. Good music should be able to reach every ear, heart and soul which some of them we call "masterpiece". The fact that LE SERRAFIM "did" better on Week 2, but as they did disappoint people on Week 1 so in not unnatural for most people skeptical about what they did on Week 2 and their upcoming activities. "Intentionally miss a few lines in many songs to prove theirs LIVE". Oh so they do that with intentions ? Can it be something compared to " willingly sing those few lines as worldwide-recognized singers should sing even without background support" ? What done is done ! LS can tell people they did their best but without admitting what they lack will make their future tough. Hope HYBE and LS reflect themselves rightfully after this.
@_DreamzGaming
@_DreamzGaming Ай бұрын
They missed few lyrics and they sound pretty much live 👁️👁️
@14-harshithaganesh84
@14-harshithaganesh84 Ай бұрын
It is live. They did "ar live" singing. Basically everything is heavily edited. The microphones also have inbuilt auto tune just like how Travis scott had. So they still haven't proved their vocals.
@blueraine21
@blueraine21 Ай бұрын
@@14-harshithaganesh84 "AR LIVE"
@ItsSkyLOL
@ItsSkyLOL Ай бұрын
I feel so bad for New Jeans girls, they were doing so well with their director and I am pretty sure this is just to shush and get rid of somebody that doesnt have much power but creates fuss around.. big fishes, big money.. some big articles to frame you and in Korea you are done..
@MargaretSpillane-yl3pj
@MargaretSpillane-yl3pj Ай бұрын
At last, an article that gives both sides of the mass of media out there! On X it’s all HYBE, with no coverage of MH defending Ador.
@caraliix
@caraliix Ай бұрын
thats why I was extremely annoyed when illit lineup was announced! they are so young and they lack skills ofc now they’re getting hate but hate is making money for hybe- that proves they ONLY care about money
@crystalsnow1138
@crystalsnow1138 Ай бұрын
I don't understand that logic. I doubt HYBE wants their artists to get hated on. That's very risky to assume hate would equal more money.
@taianemoura2799
@taianemoura2799 Ай бұрын
Leave Le SSerafim alone
@missalexandram
@missalexandram Ай бұрын
Since when having a Y2K concept means copying another group? It means the same concept not necessary copying. I feel like both groups even tho have a Y2K concept are pretty different. There is no plagiarism there in my opinion.
@soleil378
@soleil378 Ай бұрын
everything just gone crazy
@Fairyphobia
@Fairyphobia Ай бұрын
Acting like she didnt stole black y2k concept from black artists lmfao
@KamenRider808
@KamenRider808 Ай бұрын
They weren't lip syncing, their energy matched Coachella. Regardless of the criticism and the "criticism" that turned to hate. They did great, I enjoyed their performances.
@remuspierre7573
@remuspierre7573 Ай бұрын
Awesome Topics
@nayeons.version
@nayeons.version Ай бұрын
lesserafim lip syncing = fork in kitchen
@agenteespecialcabogema9090
@agenteespecialcabogema9090 Ай бұрын
Lee ssarfim has not improved, they used loud Backtrack, they will stop receiving criticism when they improve
@keanuchillmills4893
@keanuchillmills4893 Ай бұрын
It's hard to decide who to believe at this point because I don't know who to believe, and yet this whole thing is just going to keep getting messy because of Hybe. I think I'm going to stay neutral because I am not sure who to believe in this situation at all.
@erikapadua1824
@erikapadua1824 Ай бұрын
As if min hee jin originally made newjeans concept, the attention mv looks like the mv of speed body and soul and that was 15 yrs ago and now using txt to promote the upcoming adors boy group
@Trinity_ZXbae
@Trinity_ZXbae Ай бұрын
Nah because "Lucky Girl Syndrome" sounds exactly like a njs songs. I literally HEAR their voices whenever I listen to it
@katyy2318
@katyy2318 Ай бұрын
I honestly don't.
@strawbariri
@strawbariri Ай бұрын
ur deaf
@devikakrishna7372
@devikakrishna7372 Ай бұрын
I dont think so..
@TRE3URE
@TRE3URE Ай бұрын
Stop hating on illit I love both new jeans And illit
@athena7107
@athena7107 Ай бұрын
tbh when i first saw the lgs mv it reminded me of super shy....and the color palette ,the grading of the colors with the oversaturation is what made super shy mv memorable and illit ripped it off
@poh-tay-toes
@poh-tay-toes Ай бұрын
Hybe assumed that because they were able to replicate NewJeans style successfully they can oust the CEO and get some other random, more compliant figurehead. Everyone need to take a deep breath and go back to making money.
@lavenderxxx1210
@lavenderxxx1210 Ай бұрын
They are trying to oust her, they have accused her of criminal behavior which would incredibly dumb in their part without proof.
@seonghwaswall
@seonghwaswall Ай бұрын
So lsfm is getting hate for lipsyncing but also getting hate for live singing?
@Me-ng3es
@Me-ng3es Ай бұрын
Maybe Hybe adopted the YG strategy? Make as much as noise as possible even if it's a bad look to get ppl talking? I'm surprised their internal affairs are covered by the media. If they can cover up dating scandals, I'm sure they can keep their business private.
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