League of Documentary - The Harsh Reality of Eloboosters.

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A documentary revealing the harsh lives of eloboosters and how what may seem like a fun side job is anything but.
League of Documentary - The Harsh Reality of Eloboosters.
0:00 | Introduction
1:45 | Part 1 - How much do boosters make? How much do they play?
8:18 | Part 2 - Boosting websites and customer acquisition
18:10 | Part 3 - Chinese Whales
22:00 | Part 4 - What is Riot doing about boosting?
25:45 | Part 5 - Thoughts on boosting
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@fth2780
@fth2780 3 жыл бұрын
This guy play so much league, he forgot there's only 24hours per day.
@mrmisery8005
@mrmisery8005 2 жыл бұрын
35 hours is wild your eye would turn rainbow at that point
@SuperXD44
@SuperXD44 2 жыл бұрын
What do you mean? 35 hour circles have nothing to do with day cicles
@glaiydan
@glaiydan 2 жыл бұрын
@@sinatraforeign He just rounded, he's not seriously saying that a day is 25 hours. It's just easier than saying "that is 2 days and 2 hours" they're just having a conversation.
@sinatraforeign
@sinatraforeign 2 жыл бұрын
@@glaiydan Yeah, but that's the point op make
@johndeagler4556
@johndeagler4556 2 жыл бұрын
@@sinatraforeign 3500 per month if he works his 35 hours and 12 hours sleep cycle.
@DongHuaPan
@DongHuaPan 3 жыл бұрын
Tyler1- 17 games a day Dopamine- Rookie numbers
@irek1394
@irek1394 3 жыл бұрын
@@vnstyler61 obviously not everything is easy to improve but if riot wanted to they could make the game much less toxic
@vnstyler61
@vnstyler61 3 жыл бұрын
@@irek1394 indeed, but there are kinda some obvious steps which could decrease the problem and improve quality of game
@irek1394
@irek1394 3 жыл бұрын
@@vnstyler61 that is what I meant :P there are things that they could do to make the game better in that aspect but they chose not to do them so its obvious they dont care enough Not to mention their game rules are written in a way that prevents any appeal in case of mistakes by the system. You literally cant get any help in case you get an unfair punishment
@purpletheoriesone4013
@purpletheoriesone4013 3 жыл бұрын
@DongHuaP gonna talk with my friend he was a booster for few seasons he remember the old days of Kassadin with Silence and R like flash so u gonna like him
@TrueEmperio
@TrueEmperio 3 жыл бұрын
also Tyler: *plays 30 games on stream*
@EroticWalruss
@EroticWalruss 2 жыл бұрын
24:21 "and make sure nothing look out of the ordinary" Incomes 10 games of rengar games each with 30+ kills
@emperorsascharoni9577
@emperorsascharoni9577 2 ай бұрын
Just have every champ played. I got rengar 7 so it wouldn't be to much of a red flag.
@Lvl1Glaceon
@Lvl1Glaceon 2 жыл бұрын
"Imagine you are 27, have a family" Ima be honest here... Didn't expect to get burned like that. Damn
@murlocangry
@murlocangry 2 жыл бұрын
Same brother...same
@miso-ge1gz
@miso-ge1gz 4 ай бұрын
even the video game-as a job guy could get a family..
@animetony5642
@animetony5642 3 жыл бұрын
"3600 euros is about $3000 USD. To most people, that's not a lot of money." Either I'm really poor or everyone is really rich.
@mastertray
@mastertray 3 жыл бұрын
I have the same feeling, but i think these numbers of money, are not meant to be for "young people". If u are an adult 30-40 years or so and you have a job then i think these numbers are realistic. If you are go to school or you are a stundent then of couse these numbers are insanly high. Or, i am poor as well. Who knows.
@startnetworkbabinski3036
@startnetworkbabinski3036 3 жыл бұрын
to earn that much money, he works like 2 full time jobs so... It's not that much for the time he spends on it
@johannesyri
@johannesyri 3 жыл бұрын
I dont know where he went wrong, but 3600 euros is 4300 USD
@sirploko
@sirploko 3 жыл бұрын
@@johannesyri The guy above has it the wrong way round. It's 3000€ = $3600. In the video, it's correct.
@Yuksporite
@Yuksporite 3 жыл бұрын
*Laughs in New Yorker*
@holymolyitsbroly
@holymolyitsbroly 3 жыл бұрын
Bashes on NA being boosted for a good couple of minutes. LOL
@danholtcoach9601
@danholtcoach9601 3 жыл бұрын
Some players love shortcuts
@rREC
@rREC 3 жыл бұрын
@@danholtcoach9601 yeah it is what it is
@pootispootingburg258
@pootispootingburg258 3 жыл бұрын
NA babies
@pootispootingburg258
@pootispootingburg258 3 жыл бұрын
not that i woud be one haha.......
@emerrinsytchannel1214
@emerrinsytchannel1214 3 жыл бұрын
@@kamikaze12 less players than on euw or korea still
@oef4armyvet.ipconflict422
@oef4armyvet.ipconflict422 2 жыл бұрын
*Dopamine* "Riot does nothing against ELO boosters and nobody ever gets banned" *Dong* "There's a chance Riot is watching this video" *Dopamine* "Don't buy boosting you're gonna get banned, buy coaching" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@neodymus
@neodymus 2 жыл бұрын
Basically : "If you give a man a fish, he will eat for one day. If you teach him how to fish, he will eat all his life"
@letsrank9349
@letsrank9349 2 жыл бұрын
@@neodymus If you buy a fish, you don't need to fish at all. 😂 I.e Boosting
@thekingofrock3ps465
@thekingofrock3ps465 2 жыл бұрын
@@letsrank9349 but he would eventually fall back down, needing the boosting help in order to climb back in. so he may be buying the fish, but he's gonna need another fish eventually.
@TheBloofyx
@TheBloofyx 2 жыл бұрын
@@letsrank9349 if buying the fish is eloboosting, then eating the fish would be dropping back to gold because you're trash
@letsrank9349
@letsrank9349 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheBloofyx true, cause it's gone after so you need to buy again😂
@TheKillaCake
@TheKillaCake 2 жыл бұрын
I think one thing you find hilariously consistent amidst dodgy markets is how damn good their customer service is. You are almost always taken seriously and treated with respect through the whole process. It's the complete opposite on so many other platforms.
@alliu6562
@alliu6562 Жыл бұрын
It’s really bc they’re small businesses, and as a small business owner myself (a legal business don’t worry lmao) you know that every single customer is valuable.
@anaskun3645
@anaskun3645 10 ай бұрын
@@alliu6562 what business is that ? i always thought into getting in the business world but i have no idea how it really is. Also i heared that most first ideas pretty much always gonna be trash, it's to like 3rd or 4th that it works out, problem is, i dunno if i can tank it to the 4th one lol.
@DamianSzajnowski
@DamianSzajnowski 9 ай бұрын
Yup, from many gray markets to dark net, unless it's full-on scam, everything runs off reviews and ratings that are hard to fake, escrows that give you decent financial security when done carefully and customer service that allows them to make money in the long run.
@Speederzzz
@Speederzzz 9 ай бұрын
I remember reading that Silk Road (the drugs market) had one of the best customer service everywhere
@user-ko9yl5so6p
@user-ko9yl5so6p 3 жыл бұрын
I'm from Ukraine and I say here it's every parent's dream for the child to be an Elo booster
@lancedelacruz4117
@lancedelacruz4117 3 жыл бұрын
😆😆😆
@ThorOdinson1269
@ThorOdinson1269 3 жыл бұрын
I think it compounds better to become a professional investor, though not many people can do that.
@cicadaboi101
@cicadaboi101 3 жыл бұрын
@@ThorOdinson1269 Not many people can elo boost
@NOHEATED
@NOHEATED 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a reason to get our of bronze
@debbiehargreaves3350
@debbiehargreaves3350 3 жыл бұрын
@@ThorOdinson1269 how people tricked you into thinking gambling but whilst wearing a suit is a decent reliable career I will never understand
@ehqwk
@ehqwk 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine being boosted to challenger and then applying to become a booster for others…. Stonks
@ramy9103
@ramy9103 3 жыл бұрын
How to lose money 101
@Local_commentor
@Local_commentor 3 жыл бұрын
HAHAHA FUNNY THIS IS Gonna be good
@Local_commentor
@Local_commentor 3 жыл бұрын
@@ramy9103 I mean lets say ur diamond and u get boosted and U do jobs like bronze to gold 4 ITS NOT BAD
@dopamine2086
@dopamine2086 3 жыл бұрын
i know a guy haha
@salimo0203
@salimo0203 3 жыл бұрын
That’s not how it works at all, you have to had been masters+ (maybe even grandmasters+) multiple seasons in a row, while playing constantly. No one is going to hire a first time 250 lp grandmasters player. Of course you could say that the person who pays for the boosts, does it every season, but that is another thing about them wasting money every year on league boosting.
@t.t1660
@t.t1660 2 жыл бұрын
i still remember the fiora that destroyed me in gold 2, and had 97% wr while carrying every single game, only for the dude to reach d2, start playing support and decaying to plat 4 right now...
@MementoMoriGrizzly
@MementoMoriGrizzly 2 жыл бұрын
My friend irl, he boosted from silver to diamond 2. Booster played champs like Kha zix , hecarim, evelynn and now he only plays yuumi.
@markosusa5823
@markosusa5823 Жыл бұрын
You can buy elo but not skill
@SoulDevoured
@SoulDevoured 9 ай бұрын
Unpopular opinion but I think every league player should face someone leagues above their skill level every so often. It's humbling and makes you realize how much you don't know. But I wouldn't say bad matchmaking or boosting is how those encounters should happen. I think there should be a free for all mode with no mmr.
@matevzrantcater
@matevzrantcater 3 ай бұрын
what rank is he now
@joecrypto2459
@joecrypto2459 3 ай бұрын
Yep that job paid alot, ended up on 84% WR with fiora top. on my main acc i reached rank 8 EUW fiora. sadly due to circumstances i dropped boosting. been thinking about picking it back up
@Ninja_Sandwich
@Ninja_Sandwich 2 жыл бұрын
12:53 "if you are good at what you are doing, the money will be good" - this really hit me hard on an irl level.
@AnimalToast
@AnimalToast Жыл бұрын
Totally not true. Ask a teacher or a medical assistant.
@Sitback
@Sitback 3 жыл бұрын
imagine paying to be bad in higher elo... just stay out 😭
@idonargesy8197
@idonargesy8197 3 жыл бұрын
i dont understand the fun in that at least when you are in your deserved elo you will have games where you do good and feel good but if you get boosted then you will just keep getting shit on most of the time
@bullettime1116
@bullettime1116 3 жыл бұрын
@@idonargesy8197 as a gold 3 player i feel this. Btw if i ever boost myself i want someone to end me
@tamas9554
@tamas9554 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe someone likes the border or the victorious chromas, and thats why they boost themselves. But as the guy says in the video there is some coaching too
@wetsaapbrehh7839
@wetsaapbrehh7839 3 жыл бұрын
I think there's a lot of delusion amongst low elo players. A lot of them truly believe its their teammates that are holding them back and genuinely believe that if they had better teammates they would win more often.
@bullettime1116
@bullettime1116 3 жыл бұрын
@@wetsaapbrehh7839 then im the contrary. Im gold and mostly think its myself thats the issue. Only sometimes do i blame my teamates or my potato pc
@XoNasX
@XoNasX 3 жыл бұрын
When the boosting websites have more professional and organized leaders and staff than riot itself LULZ
@BezmenovWasRight
@BezmenovWasRight 3 жыл бұрын
I mean, riot is part of this system, they don't care about elo boosting and they're profiting much more than those league slaves.
@XoNasX
@XoNasX 3 жыл бұрын
@@BezmenovWasRight Yes, in many points it sadly makes sense what riot does, also the insane amount of bots that level up accounts up to 30. It would be insanely easy to detect them and ban these accounts, why should riot do that and lose a potential customer.
@Praise_gg
@Praise_gg 2 жыл бұрын
@@tatumirvana1414 That’s correct:)
@ImAnOcean
@ImAnOcean 2 жыл бұрын
@@XoNasX these accounts do get banned a lot after they switch hands.
@user-sw5ox3sv6l
@user-sw5ox3sv6l 2 жыл бұрын
if someone ask for duo do i have to buy low elo account to play with him or what ? if there is any good ideas tell me pelase
@oblivion.walker
@oblivion.walker 2 жыл бұрын
Been hardstuck in bronze for 3 years, couldn't hold back my temptation anymore and got my account boosted to Platinum
@germanicheritage1940
@germanicheritage1940 2 жыл бұрын
Lol thats a feels bad man
@oblivion.walker
@oblivion.walker 2 жыл бұрын
@virtue who said I've been playing after that lmao
@amp4105
@amp4105 2 жыл бұрын
@@oblivion.walker cringe af just find a new game ur not shit at lol
@oblivion.walker
@oblivion.walker 2 жыл бұрын
@@amp4105 i did lmfao
@azz95ify
@azz95ify 2 жыл бұрын
This was an awesome video: very well edited, the topic was interesting and the different parts made everything smoother and easier to watch. It probably required a lot of work and research so thank you for that ! It's a sad reality, I dont understand how you can pay someone to boost you to a rank you dont deserve. The whole point of rank is to improve by yourself and get the rank you want to feel good about it. Can't really blame the boosters tho, it's a good way for them to make money.
@joshuacox5817
@joshuacox5817 Жыл бұрын
Because what people "deserve" is subjective and rhetorically useless, and because matchmaking is rigged. Inters are part of the matchmaking algorithms
@SimonNZ6969
@SimonNZ6969 3 жыл бұрын
Didn't realize how organized this whole thing is.
@GoznerPeter
@GoznerPeter 3 жыл бұрын
What moron levels up his account for 3 weeks to level 30, and then play 3 months to get to gold. Just work for 1 day, and buy an account.
@cheyhey2170
@cheyhey2170 3 жыл бұрын
@@GoznerPeter doesnt really make sense
@eVill420
@eVill420 3 жыл бұрын
@@GoznerPeter because some people wanna be legit and most don't have 90 euros to throw around.
@GoznerPeter
@GoznerPeter 3 жыл бұрын
@@eVill420 Legit what does that? Legit insane perhaps? Also wtf are you doing if you dont even have 90 euros. I can throw 100 euro bill out of the window right now if I want to, tomorrow I'll earn it back. Who even gives a shit.
@eVill420
@eVill420 3 жыл бұрын
@@GoznerPeter I just graduated highschool and am going to uni. Takes 10 hours/Day to study and The rest I exercise/sleep/socialize/do whatever. Social wellfare gives 250/Month and that goes to My living expenses cuz I live alone. In Summer I do random Jobs I can get for a quick buck. 100 euros is a lot for me rn.
@manuman5319
@manuman5319 3 жыл бұрын
Paying 2000$ just for people to say "oh you're good in a video game that's cool I guess" imagine the insecurities lmao
@SiMeGamer
@SiMeGamer 3 жыл бұрын
If that video game is treated like a sport in your surrounding culture, it's more like showing off you are an amazing athlete. It can be a genuine boost to your perceived value (since being good at stuff requires a lot of hours and sometimes affinity [usually improperly called talent]). I agree the insecurities are high but it's no different than kids being bullied for being sht at Fortnite by their peers.
@pictureversion
@pictureversion 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve seen a man and it’s not just one person they get outed real fast the moment they play with anyone when the ‘challenger’ be feeding harder than silvers I their own elo
@bennygo3
@bennygo3 2 жыл бұрын
$2000 for us is like $30 for them. Negligible amount of money
@SiMeGamer
@SiMeGamer 2 жыл бұрын
@@itarH all sports are fundamentally games, so I don't get your argument. Sports are accepted or rejected because of culture. Both physical and digital. There is no objective problem with videogames being classified as a sport. You rejecting that fact shows a lack of epistemological understanding on your part.
@pictureversion
@pictureversion 2 жыл бұрын
@@bennygo3 2000 sgd to go from gold to chally thats not $30
@gabriellama8851
@gabriellama8851 2 жыл бұрын
was so nice to watch this, to feel teh human part of this process, to understand human needs, and the honest advice for coaching. thanks for this content
@nagatasan_21
@nagatasan_21 2 жыл бұрын
the way u make theses documentaries somewhat makes me happy, even though league is dying or pretty much dead in my land server, u earned my sub
@abzalonga
@abzalonga 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine paying so much money just to show others that your League account was played by someone way better than you Is like getting NTR and being proud of it
@SaganIII
@SaganIII 3 жыл бұрын
@@zhuzhong74 yes
@user-pr1dh2bw6k
@user-pr1dh2bw6k 3 жыл бұрын
I mean, that was a weird comparison but you aren't wrong. It isn't your legacy, it's someone else's.
@TickleMyPitz
@TickleMyPitz 3 жыл бұрын
Typically people that boost have the mindset that they deserve a certain elo. So for example, if you got a guy that has like 1000 games played and he's gold trying to be Plat, he truly believes that he should be Plat, but because of supposedly outside uncontrollable factors like bad teammates or afkers they think that they aren't the rank that they should be. Most people don't elo boost for clout but for self-satisfaction. They believe that they've put in the work, therefore it's finally time that they get what they want.
@20anosdesperdiciados89
@20anosdesperdiciados89 3 жыл бұрын
Kinda true
@umcaraqualquer3640
@umcaraqualquer3640 3 жыл бұрын
@@TickleMyPitz Couldn't have put it better. Well explained.
@MichikoHoshi
@MichikoHoshi 3 жыл бұрын
Riot should hires dopamine as sound engineer to remove him from the elo boosting scene.
@airbender942
@airbender942 2 жыл бұрын
he'll be smurfing on the music dept
@daayemshehzad
@daayemshehzad 2 жыл бұрын
Yoooo this comment 😂😂🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
@xXSlyFoxHoimiexX
@xXSlyFoxHoimiexX 2 жыл бұрын
LMAO
@qyla2692
@qyla2692 2 жыл бұрын
+1
@KurzedMetal
@KurzedMetal 2 жыл бұрын
Hey he can be a 200years developer in the Balance team just fine, anyone can do it :)
@JFHyoutube
@JFHyoutube 2 жыл бұрын
this was honestly well edited and enjoyable to watch bro! A ton of royalty free sample clips XD but it worked, keep it up man
@incongruous4
@incongruous4 8 ай бұрын
"you can work whenever you want so it's great" 10 mins earlier: "I have to work 36 hours straight no sleep"
@sevenaries
@sevenaries 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly respect to the CEO, man is hustling
@Lucas-mb6mj
@Lucas-mb6mj 3 жыл бұрын
@@Praise_gg HAHAHAHA
@Flechashe
@Flechashe 2 жыл бұрын
It's immoral though, he harms the game a lot. Hope you don't go on ranked later and get angry at your teammates for being bad or your enemies for being extremely good, cause right here you're endorsing that (on an industry scale). That would be pretty damn hypocritical.
@quincy7258
@quincy7258 2 жыл бұрын
@@Flechashe the game sucks anyway, and Riot is to blame for that. It does not matter that much
@dressigvil
@dressigvil 2 жыл бұрын
it's insane how professionally he treats his clients and employees, this shit is what you expect multibillion dollar companies would do
@Flechashe
@Flechashe 2 жыл бұрын
@@quincy7258 Many people care about it and play it though. In fact, that's the reason why this service has value in the first place. If no one played it and no one cared about ranks, no one would buy elo boosts
@AllNamesAreTakenROFL
@AllNamesAreTakenROFL 3 жыл бұрын
Those who buy boosting services also buy a lot of skins. That's why Riot does not ban them. I have seen many boosted accounts. Never ever one got banned.
@samhiguma
@samhiguma 3 жыл бұрын
damn it makes a lot of sense now
@kaltman
@kaltman 3 жыл бұрын
kala ta les
@nonamenoproblems9614
@nonamenoproblems9614 3 жыл бұрын
Kinda true. 95% of accounts I boosted had insane amount of skins, sometimes even full unlock. And 5% are fresh accounts.
@pineaplejuicegg7667
@pineaplejuicegg7667 3 жыл бұрын
Look it on the bright side jus as you hace have an eloboosted in your team the enemy team can have one and just like the enemy team can have an eloboosted you can have one on yours ,which is basically league at its finest
@AllNamesAreTakenROFL
@AllNamesAreTakenROFL 3 жыл бұрын
@@pineaplejuicegg7667 There is no bright side to that. One game you are bored and the other you struggle. Both suck.
@witpickles
@witpickles 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating video. Very well produced. Thank you!
@MACACONOIA
@MACACONOIA 2 жыл бұрын
dude the edition is on point lol, its like the perfect amount of scuffed to be entertaining without feeling forced
@Moesbi689
@Moesbi689 3 жыл бұрын
The "coorperate editing" when the guy talks about his service and company seems so sarcastic:D
@NoobieSnake
@NoobieSnake 3 жыл бұрын
And the guy sitting alone on the field. 😂 Really reminds me of those typical corporate powerpoint presentations, lol.
@ricardo57389
@ricardo57389 3 жыл бұрын
when gaming become a job, most of the time, it will not be fun anymore.
@floofy1
@floofy1 3 жыл бұрын
Well said. Sasuga someone with a Baron Zeppeli pfp
@rREC
@rREC 3 жыл бұрын
@@floofy1 XD
@elosyyy
@elosyyy 3 жыл бұрын
You mean when anything becomes a job? feelsbadman
@pittaaaabread
@pittaaaabread 3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't say that. I did a lot of boosting in a bunch of different games like Apex, Valorant, and League. 1 of the things i've found is that getting good at the game so you CAN boost is the really fun process. I loved sitting in Aim labs learning how to flick and how to be more accurate or spending time in training mode learning combos on different champs or watching videos about dopa or others to learn how they approach the game. I think if you really want to get good at a game the #1 thing is too have fun but also too look at the game like a job. You must approach it with the same mentality of a doctor. You have to dedicate your entire day in and out and it really is fun if you enjoy it. I wanna get out of boosting but I've had injuries to my Knees and back that make it hard for me to work a normal job while im in College. I hope to quit when I finish my masters.
@ItsChineseGuy
@ItsChineseGuy 2 жыл бұрын
Not many jobs are fun, at least it MIGHT be more fun than common medial jobs
@MrCobozco
@MrCobozco 2 жыл бұрын
One of your best videos. Thanks for all the info on the landscape of Elo boosting. I've personally never minded the idea of playing against a random booster in my games as it gives the opportunity to learn/adapt, but I understand it's not fair competition. Great additional note by the booster to reconsider coaching instead. Seems like a down to earth guy.
@Improvelol
@Improvelol 2 жыл бұрын
I love your mindset on learning and adapting. That mindset will help you strides in life and with improving. Too many people think negatively about it and whine, victim mindsets only hurt people. You seem cool enough to play some league games with. Add me on league, my IGN: improve
@Daniero1994
@Daniero1994 2 жыл бұрын
My friend was banned for boosting, but he didn't do it. It was a false positive. He just ranked from bronze to gold after he started maining Orianna/Viktor.
@witchcrxft1321
@witchcrxft1321 3 жыл бұрын
One dude from comments said: "I'm from Ukraine and I say here it's every parent's dream for the child to be an Elo booster". I live in Ukraine too, so I can say that some parents realise that computer games can be a fulltime job. A lot of kids inspired of esports prodig. such a s1mple, tells esport stories to their parents
@calvintuano557
@calvintuano557 2 жыл бұрын
i dont know how to feel about this.. some ppl still frowns on idea of "esports" as not a real "sports" & they kept saying you're just sitting while playing on computer bla bla bla
@trollnoobs178
@trollnoobs178 2 жыл бұрын
better start early on the next big esports then lol is nearly 15 yr old who knows if its still gonna be popping in 5 years
@konstandinosverzamanis5699
@konstandinosverzamanis5699 2 жыл бұрын
@@calvintuano557 you sit while playing chess and u move plastic pieces. its still a sport.
@amp4105
@amp4105 2 жыл бұрын
esports is such a huge commitment tho, theres so many people on league, cs and other games with 10 thousand hours+ who arent pro and dont make money from the game despite trying. Not worth it.
@majesticsadmax4536
@majesticsadmax4536 2 жыл бұрын
@@amp4105 same thing with regular sports..
@whgeek
@whgeek 3 жыл бұрын
Riot can't just ban people on VPNs, lots of legit players have VPNs on when playing.
@mort6578
@mort6578 3 жыл бұрын
I'd say over 90% of VPNs on LoL are legit
@jamfero
@jamfero 3 жыл бұрын
Just ban VPN it's not hard to disable one lol
@SiMeGamer
@SiMeGamer 3 жыл бұрын
There is no reason to ban VPNs. There are other layers of detection and identification that can be applied first.
@toxicmeatballs604
@toxicmeatballs604 2 жыл бұрын
@@jamfero that literally makes your vpn useless then, a vpn is most useful when on at all times
@jamfero
@jamfero 2 жыл бұрын
@@toxicmeatballs604 VPNs cause noticeable lag they are not good 24 7 they're really only good if you use them when needed
@Saddler1944
@Saddler1944 2 жыл бұрын
I love the though process of "Golly Geee I am losing all these gold matches but I know if I was in Platinum I would win. Lets pay someone to get me to a place where I will become a liability to my team and lose more."
@lukycharms9970
@lukycharms9970 2 жыл бұрын
“I can’t win a single game in this garbage bracket, can I pay you to boost my account up into a bracket that’s way better so I can lose even more games???” This shit makes NO SENSE.
@DoubleCCast
@DoubleCCast 3 жыл бұрын
150 games a week? That's more than what Wunder does in a season.
@poopertittysprinkles1866
@poopertittysprinkles1866 2 жыл бұрын
scrims
@user-sw5ox3sv6l
@user-sw5ox3sv6l 2 жыл бұрын
if someone ask for duo do i have to buy low elo account to play with him or what ? if there is any good ideas tell me pelase
@xRip666x
@xRip666x 2 жыл бұрын
hhahahah wowwunder
@stlo76
@stlo76 2 жыл бұрын
lmao This is hilarious!
@smokecardboards
@smokecardboards 3 жыл бұрын
That Dopamine guy was honestly the best part of the video lmao
@hadesisdead6174
@hadesisdead6174 2 жыл бұрын
i know this guy he is rly good at rengar and kayne he peaked rank 10 on EUW now he is offline on his main acc for at least 8 months now i know why
@Jasongy827
@Jasongy827 2 жыл бұрын
I’m subbing! Coaching is great I have done a few couches and I only stick with him. I went from b1 to s2.
@L33T1010
@L33T1010 3 жыл бұрын
Gotta give credits to Dopamine. The guy is authentic!
@dotastillthebest5474
@dotastillthebest5474 2 жыл бұрын
cant believe to see him here, i watched his stream like a year ago. Never knew hes doing that. Good for him i guess xd
@sergioserna3544
@sergioserna3544 3 жыл бұрын
I started elo boosting about 5 years ago and i am not kidding when I say I still have a ton of grey hairs from that period of my life. It was by far the most stressed out I'd have ever been in my entire life. Boosting accounts for 12 hours a day and feeling like youll lose your job if you stop... end of season coming, people not allowing you to play on their accounts so they ask you to duo boost them from bronze to platinum (just imagine having that on your team every game). Absolutely terrible and I was not even making minimum wage half the time.
@channie3473
@channie3473 2 жыл бұрын
I would have just told the dude that he'll forever be permahard stuck. No way in hell I'd duo someone in Bronze all the way to plat 😂
@ademgoodkid2450
@ademgoodkid2450 2 жыл бұрын
@@channie3473 then bye bye to the boosting job
@mehmetabdullah250
@mehmetabdullah250 2 жыл бұрын
thats painful.
@amp4105
@amp4105 2 жыл бұрын
Do they lend you money and force you to boost for practically free?
@gammonbrown9898
@gammonbrown9898 2 жыл бұрын
Did you ever have a duo client who learned during the boosting process and genuinely impressed you and improved? Follow up question, what do would you say was the % of clients that fell I to this category?
@germanrojasleon737
@germanrojasleon737 2 жыл бұрын
Goddamn, as a spanish speaker it hit me hard that the first thing Dong said was "when somebody is unable to achive their elo goals" and then nixxaster appeared, she is the spanish definition for hardstuck
@maguc5906
@maguc5906 2 жыл бұрын
600 euros a month is 14,000 pesos in Mexican currency. That is double or even triple what most people make here, and that's a low amount? Damn I'm becoming an ELO booster right now
@Improvelol
@Improvelol 2 жыл бұрын
What rank are you ?
@maguc5906
@maguc5906 2 жыл бұрын
@@Improvelol bronze 4 😎
@Improvelol
@Improvelol 2 жыл бұрын
@@maguc5906 its doomed :(
@DeViceCrimsin_
@DeViceCrimsin_ 3 жыл бұрын
Dopamine seems like a good guy. If he made a coaching youtube channel like NEACE I would watch it.
@eryalmario5299
@eryalmario5299 3 жыл бұрын
he has a youtube channel
@ottosmiddletoe387
@ottosmiddletoe387 3 жыл бұрын
@@eryalmario5299 what is it
@eryalmario5299
@eryalmario5299 3 жыл бұрын
@@ottosmiddletoe387 search for dopamine rengar
@asuhdude3510
@asuhdude3510 2 жыл бұрын
He does coaching just not often, he’s currently trying to grow his channel
@likebutton3141
@likebutton3141 2 жыл бұрын
i like how they made the flash placement a huge deal when you can just go to our settings and make it so when you press F it counts as D and vice versa
@blafoon93
@blafoon93 2 жыл бұрын
Which is also an easy thing to detect. In fact I would think that if a lot of settings were changed and the time that this happened coincides with different champs being played and a significant elo rise then that is highly suspicious. Most people never even touch the settings apart from smartcast settings, so if I were working for Riot and tasked with writing a program helping to identify boosters I'd definitely include setting changes as an indicator.
@IceKnight678
@IceKnight678 2 жыл бұрын
@@blafoon93 You can change your keyboard settings on your computer also
@skipmanghondarg
@skipmanghondarg Жыл бұрын
@@IceKnight678 wait, you do?
@IceKnight678
@IceKnight678 Жыл бұрын
@@skipmanghondarg Yes, you can just google it for the steps
@RIFLABACONBBX
@RIFLABACONBBX 2 жыл бұрын
well made video dong and respect to the booster for comming out, good luck on ur twitch career :)
@zsascsforever4155
@zsascsforever4155 Жыл бұрын
Really informative and well put together documentary. Subed.
@xgunnas32
@xgunnas32 3 жыл бұрын
wow they can lose money based on lp...i know it's still early but i have no idea on the details of a boost, gonna be a fun one. Edit: finished the vid, dopamine was a really great guest. Client 1 XD
@RodrigoTroncosoR
@RodrigoTroncosoR 3 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know if Dopamine is the coach working with NEACE? Guy has the exact same voice.
@badbadthingss
@badbadthingss 3 жыл бұрын
@@RodrigoTroncosoR think so yah
@dopamine2086
@dopamine2086 3 жыл бұрын
@@RodrigoTroncosoR NEACE doesn't ring a bell
@munchygaming3886
@munchygaming3886 3 жыл бұрын
@@RodrigoTroncosoR pretty sure thats phylaris
@MrL1193
@MrL1193 2 жыл бұрын
@@munchygaming3886 No, they're thinking of Oorix. And yeah, I noticed that too about their voices. It's uncanny.
@Shaso1000
@Shaso1000 3 жыл бұрын
This is fascinating.
@seniorwhite8324
@seniorwhite8324 2 жыл бұрын
Never thought I'll watch a documentary about league of all things. Nice video though! Its nice to know more about the community.
@brienobread4633
@brienobread4633 2 жыл бұрын
this was really interesting to watch thanks donghuap :)
@joaomarques7064
@joaomarques7064 2 жыл бұрын
''NA is the most boosted region'' >clip of Blaber's nid lmao good one
@Praise_gg
@Praise_gg 3 жыл бұрын
Finally an accurate video about Elo-Boosting, thanks for showing the other side of the story! -PT Elo Boosting Team
@LSDOshira
@LSDOshira 3 жыл бұрын
👏🏽
@ebaykid1947
@ebaykid1947 3 жыл бұрын
pog
@windtail4124
@windtail4124 3 жыл бұрын
Sexe
@user-fq1pr6ig8s
@user-fq1pr6ig8s 3 жыл бұрын
!!
@oneworld8889
@oneworld8889 3 жыл бұрын
Liked
@SeaSerpentLevi
@SeaSerpentLevi 2 жыл бұрын
12:36 damn this guy's speech gave me life inspiration (The ost and editing here was amazing lmao)
@omerfridman6851
@omerfridman6851 2 жыл бұрын
@johannabonana5306
@johannabonana5306 2 жыл бұрын
Dopamine, if you ever see this, you seem chill af. I've just followed your channel and I hope to see more of you!
@Auchaser643
@Auchaser643 3 жыл бұрын
"Mute everyone" the best advice ever, it also doesn't cost anyone to try to win regardless if its norms or ranked.
@VarsVerum
@VarsVerum 3 жыл бұрын
Wow this video was one of the more interesting ones I've seen in a while. We don't get to take a deeper look into the dark underbelly of League like... ever :o
@ashrafulalam3662
@ashrafulalam3662 3 жыл бұрын
WHAT THE- DIDN'T YOU MAKE MAPLESTORY VIDEOS BEFORE THIS?! OR IS THIS ANOTHER VARS?!
@botronas6039
@botronas6039 3 жыл бұрын
My guy you are so underrated keep up the grind
@VarsVerum
@VarsVerum 3 жыл бұрын
@@ashrafulalam3662 Yes :3
@Typhoonflame
@Typhoonflame 2 жыл бұрын
I love your content, man, keep it up!
@martin_fn22
@martin_fn22 Жыл бұрын
Love that content Vars!
@jakit0556
@jakit0556 7 ай бұрын
you can swap summoner spells by just changing the keybinds around in the in game settings, it will appear as your flash is on d when clicking f is what makes you flash
@realanimalshorts
@realanimalshorts 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine trolling a boosters game and losing them actual money over it lmao
@yubakrarai
@yubakrarai 4 ай бұрын
You are giving some people ideas.
@saki453
@saki453 3 жыл бұрын
So a good booster doubles as a coach as well? How wholesome.
@ogaimon3380
@ogaimon3380 2 жыл бұрын
that's normal, that's extra money
@Loctorak
@Loctorak 2 жыл бұрын
So wholesome how they violate the TOS and sacrifice the fairness of the opposition's experience to earn money by technically cheating. But they explained what they were doing in game = WHOLESOME AF
@MementoMoriGrizzly
@MementoMoriGrizzly 2 жыл бұрын
​@@Loctorak Smurfs are legal according to riot, and they still do exactly the same thing. Haven't seen you mention that.
@kevinlobos5519
@kevinlobos5519 3 жыл бұрын
Dude this video was the most fascinating league of legends video i have ever seen. It's interesting, funny, shady and wholesome at the same time. I loved it. Keep doing documentaries man.
@tomasbitvinskas7180
@tomasbitvinskas7180 2 жыл бұрын
Super interesting video, great work!!!!
@pepperandsnowflakeadventur3877
@pepperandsnowflakeadventur3877 2 жыл бұрын
29:03 good job covering the name :)
@Scarface_saiyan
@Scarface_saiyan 3 жыл бұрын
I was an Elo booster from senior year in high school to 21 years old and it paid for my medical assisting school and got me a cheap hoopty car idk what my life would have been like without league even though I don’t play anymore. To this day I’m proud of my Braum symbol tattoo and I’ll never forget this game
@PinkeySuavo
@PinkeySuavo 5 ай бұрын
I got couple of skins by boosting, it wasnt efficient at all to make money in such way around s3
@NoobieSnake
@NoobieSnake 3 жыл бұрын
Wow. I’m surprised I watched the entire 30 mins and 56 seconds video including two full ads I didn’t skip. Very great video you made there DongHuaP.
@sherwindai1259
@sherwindai1259 2 жыл бұрын
Hi donghua! Great content, I love it! Can you also do a video on boosting in the chinese super server, I feel it will be a great extension to this topic and it gets really dark
@zeropb0983
@zeropb0983 Жыл бұрын
That was so interesting :0 Awesome video!
@tyszq
@tyszq 3 жыл бұрын
I did elo-boosting for over 3 years and I can say that this video is really accurate. I was around top ~400 on EUNE at the time (as the market grew, it's actually impossible to become a booster with this rank anymore) and I was boosting mostly silvers and golds on EUW as a part time job in high school. That translated to around the minimum wage in Poland. As I was living with my parents and didn't have any actual living costs, I managed to save quite amount of money that way. I invested most of it in crypto in Q1-Q2 2017, which allowed me to buy an apartment earlier this year. I'm 23 and I had many different jobs, right now I do in investment banking. But I can honestly say that Boosting was the most fun and satisfying job that I ever had. In my case, I could even say that it was quite life-changing. I recommend any good player to try it out as a part time job.
@knutflvig857
@knutflvig857 3 жыл бұрын
isnt it illigal?
@sidehoe
@sidehoe 3 жыл бұрын
@@knutflvig857 not illegal, but against Riot’s TOS
@tyszq
@tyszq 3 жыл бұрын
@@knutflvig857 It's against Riot rules, but in general it's completely legal. The worst thing than could happen is your LOL account getting banned, or you getting banned from attending Riot events etc.
@niksy80
@niksy80 3 жыл бұрын
I mean it sounds fun if you are good for a solid part time job income but for a full job it would not be good at all
@needtodiequik1460
@needtodiequik1460 3 жыл бұрын
@@tyszq i think in south korea it is illegal
@E_D___
@E_D___ 3 жыл бұрын
The same person who is willing to pay just for someone to get him a higher rank is way more likely to buy skins and RP. Maybe they stopped banning them because they saw that it hurt LoL income to much. If someone pays over 100$ for a boost he won't pay 10$ for a skin of his favorite champion?
@angrykouhai2053
@angrykouhai2053 2 жыл бұрын
Precisely.
@blame7121
@blame7121 2 жыл бұрын
I'd like to think that most people that buy skins aren't infact boosted. I've certainly bought quite a few skins, but would never in a million years pay someone to play on my account.
@charlied.g.5029
@charlied.g.5029 2 жыл бұрын
I would. Probably will. If they ever put out Shaco skin as a reward. I hate ranked deeply. Last time I did it was in season 2 and I hitted gold. I'm not good but I'm probably good enough to get gold myself, I just don't want to. I just want all Shaco skins FFS.
@blame7121
@blame7121 2 жыл бұрын
@@charlied.g.5029 ranked is Normals 2.0 especially in low elo, so idk what you "hate" about it. If you think you're good enough to get gold, then why don't you just do it?
@lemondruid2783
@lemondruid2783 2 жыл бұрын
Long term it is going to cost more than few bucks for a skin, since it is just a small, none-reasonable and easy-to-quit part of playerbase in here. Long term loss is decided with game quality - since ranked system is the most catchy part of the game it needs to be maximum healthy or otherwise it becomes less enjoyable - and people will leave it and those who stay would become even more toxic and nervous - leading to further drop in playerbase from potential noobs who wanted to try, but was shocked by general toxicity of the process. That's it.
@netix2497
@netix2497 2 жыл бұрын
As a hardstuck d1 player, I really hope Riot is gonna do something about boosting. Literally every single game there is at least 1 person, who was for example master or grandmaster last season, but now is d3 40%wr.
@TKirisame
@TKirisame 8 ай бұрын
Lol gig gud
@RedAlert3Uprising
@RedAlert3Uprising 5 ай бұрын
One day you will realize it dosen' matter and it's your fault, git gud
@LS-qo6ws
@LS-qo6ws 2 жыл бұрын
Dopamin is such geniun and nice guy, I realy liked to listen to him. I honestly hope that he gets along in life well, I can sence great potential in him. Also wanted to say, that u did a great job at picking up the potential in these persons, asking them the right questions. Just all in all, a realy good video, ti ringrazio.
@barkingkong8221
@barkingkong8221 3 жыл бұрын
Such an amazing guest. One of the best league related videos I've ever seen.
@TRoker5
@TRoker5 3 жыл бұрын
Big thumbs up to Dopamine for the courage of putting himself in the spotlight.
@Filthy6969
@Filthy6969 2 жыл бұрын
very well made video curious to see how Riot reacts to this
@MyNigellus
@MyNigellus 2 жыл бұрын
great and insightful documentary. well done DHP
@nathanhoman
@nathanhoman 3 жыл бұрын
Big fan man thankful for the content!
@regression4114
@regression4114 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. What I found unexpectedly touching was you using Dopamine's music as the video ended. That was....really fucking wholesome, and honestly a good reminder that people who boost are humans too. Yes, they ruin the integrity of whatever game they are providing services for, but our disdain for them (if, you know, you're one to care about such things like myself) sometimes causes us to forget that they really aren't that different from us. You using his music as he was saying his final piece was a great illustration of that.
@Fucklifedeadshit
@Fucklifedeadshit 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, thieves and murderers aren’t that different from us either, but instead of robbing and killing people, we get up in the morning and go to work.
@AoiZassoOFCL
@AoiZassoOFCL 2 жыл бұрын
@@Fucklifedeadshit ah yes, elo boosting, on the same tier of horrible as murder
@Fucklifedeadshit
@Fucklifedeadshit 2 жыл бұрын
@@AoiZassoOFCL Ah, yes, coping to excuse your crimes.
@pauljmorton
@pauljmorton 2 жыл бұрын
The "don't buy boosting, buy coaching instead" thing really hits me. I play Overwatch in the lowest ranks. Whenever I search for how to get better, a vast majority of the results is with the mentality of "how to get to a higher rank without actually getting better just for the sake of being in a higher rank". Well, while I do want to be in a higher rank, I want to be there as a direct result of me getting better. So the "how to get to a higher rank without getting better" kinda frustrates me. Boosting is one way of getting to a higher rank without getting better, but coaching is a way go get better.
@ignoranceisstrenght1984
@ignoranceisstrenght1984 2 жыл бұрын
omg haventwched your videos in w while. You make top quality content now!! Cheers!
@Flechashe
@Flechashe 2 жыл бұрын
19:55 "I'm at bronze, I know I can get to silver" Proceeds to break the rules of the game by paying another player to play for them "See? I knew I could get to silver"
@jameskim2356
@jameskim2356 2 жыл бұрын
Realistically every player can go up 1 division if they really commit to the game, but they don't want to spend all that time. Not that I endorse boosting just that thought process has some truth to it.
@spiritx8833
@spiritx8833 2 жыл бұрын
@@jameskim2356 this is bs i've seen thousands of acc who are hardstuck with 600games in silver/gold
@jameskim2356
@jameskim2356 2 жыл бұрын
@@spiritx8833 They aren't committing. I mean vod reviews, systematically approaching the game, finding free coaching, joining a competitive team, etc. I coach many teams and in 3 months 90% of my players go up a division. The gold 4 roster I had are all plat 4. I had a silver 3 player hitting plat promos recently. These are all doable if you have the drive to do it. Those 600 game plus accounts literally turn their brain off and play for the sake of playing, not to improve.
@bradley9191
@bradley9191 2 жыл бұрын
@@jameskim2356 Going from silver to mid-high diamond is impossible without genetics. Hahahaaaa
@jameskim2356
@jameskim2356 2 жыл бұрын
@@bradley9191 when did i say silver to mid dia? I said going up 1 division is possible for any player.
@Erik-pu4mj
@Erik-pu4mj 3 жыл бұрын
Damn. This is enleightening. Thanks, Doug! Best of luck to Dopamine with his streaming and producing career.
@paulrogers8725
@paulrogers8725 Жыл бұрын
These guys talk so motivationally like they’re living their dream jobs like having a passion I’ve seen no doctor or real estate agent have😊
@josejoaquindelgadopizarro4436
@josejoaquindelgadopizarro4436 2 жыл бұрын
Damn, must be frustrating to find another booster in the enemy team
@Mars30999
@Mars30999 3 жыл бұрын
Lmao this first half high key feels like a lowkey boosting recruiting and customer ad. ESPECIALLY when u started playing that motivational ad music. I dont feel like getting the time stamp but you know what im talking about
@brtaman-7519
@brtaman-7519 3 жыл бұрын
we say regarding exams: if u study u can pass .. if u cheat u get high marks.
@tiamelancholyjeoncockity
@tiamelancholyjeoncockity Жыл бұрын
25 games a day, that’s like a full day of game 💀 imagine each game is around an hour long that 25 hours a day
@Tetrathegod
@Tetrathegod 2 жыл бұрын
Was doing this for 5 or 6 years and it was really good I got enough money to start my own business and 9 years later I am really happy with how everything turned out.
@Improvelol
@Improvelol 2 жыл бұрын
That’s dope man, I’m happy for you
@gaylordtv561
@gaylordtv561 Жыл бұрын
are these youre cars?🤓
@xhantTheFirst
@xhantTheFirst 2 жыл бұрын
"if you're playing on NA above D1, most of your teammates will be boosted" great. People really needed more reason to call each other boosted. Thanks a lot
@GarroshYT
@GarroshYT 3 жыл бұрын
When I was a student I used to boost on EUW, EUNE, NA and the usual salary monthly was like 300 euros. I eventually gave up on it because the mental health strain was too much. And you're giving up everything in your life to grind a game that you eventually end up hating. I'd say it's only worth if you're really good and consistent, and for example if you have a friend to duoboost with through cheese tactics like funneling. And even then only diamond 4+ boosts are worth any good money, but they're always a coinflip on whether you get 4 humans or 4 bots in your team. The parts about boosters being toxic and not using vpns is all true too, most of the people I worked with only ever did a forced offline script mode if the client wanted that, and sometimes you could even get a chat restriction and play it off before the customer notices, now it's pretty much impossible because it's obvious when your honor drops lmao. The best customers are usually UAE arabs rich on oil money, who pay a lot to play with you on a second account. And last of all Riot will never give a shit about this industry because even their CEO got caught getting eloboosted, that mark merill guy or whatever his name is.
@sametekiz3709
@sametekiz3709 3 жыл бұрын
wtf
@sametekiz3709
@sametekiz3709 3 жыл бұрын
why the fuck this is happened and i had no idea.
@GarroshYT
@GarroshYT 3 жыл бұрын
@@sametekiz3709 because it happened a long time ago and nobody cares and won't care. I had a customer not paying once, I came clean on reddit and wrote to customer support with all the evidence, neither him nor me got banned, riot is a joke of a company. Only interested in profits aka selling skins.
@sametekiz3709
@sametekiz3709 3 жыл бұрын
@@GarroshYT Yeah, mark merill is literally co founder even if he is elo boosted there are no neglect,it's profits.I am sad tho i had no idea.
@GarroshYT
@GarroshYT 3 жыл бұрын
@@sametekiz3709 in October of 2012, evidence was collated that proved Riot’s CEO, Marc “Tryndamere” Merrill, to have not only boosted accounts, but having also shared confidential account details (account sharing) - offences which are now considered substantial enough for even professional players to receive permanent bans from the game. One of the sources - the versed article from 2016, you can google and find out more if you want yourself.
@AzureKiteReturn
@AzureKiteReturn 2 жыл бұрын
Nissaxter on the intro XD yes she is the example of frustration in league being 7 years in silver elo and always tilting
@dakotahsteier5481
@dakotahsteier5481 2 жыл бұрын
i loved when you showed physical sports when the booster was talking about giving coaching sessions. i actually laughed. that was hilarious.
@theMxko
@theMxko 3 жыл бұрын
What happens if two boosters queue against eachother from the same site? May they better booster win?
@sebastianzaharia8558
@sebastianzaharia8558 2 жыл бұрын
Wintrading is what happens
@ascvb3
@ascvb3 3 жыл бұрын
The stock footage lowkey be crackin me up lol.
@lilmanlil6852
@lilmanlil6852 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for useful content Dong! im from kyrgyzstan and we earn avg 240 usd/month here at full time job, so starting today im learning how to play (silver4)
@devastatheseeker9967
@devastatheseeker9967 Жыл бұрын
The end was great really. Dopamine seems like a genuinely good dude. He knows that people buying boosted accounts is pointless because your skills remain the same.
@thewolf7668
@thewolf7668 3 жыл бұрын
This looks like an AD for boosters and I like it.
@Magnaos
@Magnaos 3 жыл бұрын
From the final spreech: "Imagine you're 27, you have a family and you need a source of income" What. Is this science fiction?
@cattysplat
@cattysplat 2 жыл бұрын
More like ancient history haha. Imagine having your own house, loving family and permanent career.
@Zepheus_
@Zepheus_ 2 жыл бұрын
In the Philippines, the average monthly income is around 800 USD. So earning 3000 USD is life-changing here.
@germanicheritage1940
@germanicheritage1940 2 жыл бұрын
Yea dude but dont forget the phillipined is like 70% cheaper then the usa
@thememelord6510
@thememelord6510 2 жыл бұрын
The Elo booster complaining about his teammates being boosted is extremely funny to me
@Loctorak
@Loctorak 2 жыл бұрын
Some of the most toxic people I've met are the same people at the start going "im new pls don't flame me"
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