Stockton Rush's contribution to science was so huge that all humans now know not to make a submersible out of carbon fiber

It’s been obvious for real engineers from the very beginning

@@tonymontana897 I think he's beyond the reach of most jurisdictions

​@jeffostroff We were supposed to have already learned from the Titanic to not push engineering past it's limits. It will happen again bc egos are too big. And again and again.

@@jeffostroff The only way I can think of that carbon fiber could work in a situation like this is if it's draped around stronger supports and has a shape a little like a suspension bridge, so that the pressure is increasing the tension on the carbon fiber, and transferring the pressure to, say, steel rings inside it. On the Titan, I suspect the carbon fiber played no structural role whatsoever, and it was the 13 cm thick epoxy that did all the work of withstanding the pressure - until it gave out.

It’s so egregious it’s almost as if should be some kind of automatic check when someone is fired from a position like this.

Plenty of design groups don't think they need engineers who are able quickly recognize and explain issues. With enough time and work-arounds, the product eventually ships.

Happens in most profit driven ventures run by sociopaths who disregard safety.

@@k-c plus woke people... I heard that they wanted to virtue signaling and denied help from veteran and didn't wanted "white males" or something...

The engineer was an old white man (into the trash). He got in the way of OceanGate's innovation with his silly white man talk.

How would 2 submarines dock [underwater]? Certainly he's not swimming outside.

@@GodKing804 They wouldn't dock underwater... If one sub lost power or got stuck the other sub would know their exact location and would make rescue efforts more efficient.

@mustymountain7105 rescue how?

​@GodKing804 The second submersible could get the other one unstuck with a claw arm or by gently ramming it. One Russian submersible was stuck in the propeller of the Titanic with an American journalist passenger who was terrified while the pilot was speaking frantically in Russian to someone and finally maneuvered the vehicle loose from the propeller of the ship.

Not ALWAYS with two submersibles - not in the Mariana Trench dives, anyway. But down to Titanic in Mir-1 and Mir-2, yes he did.

Ain't no way, SSBN 655. Early 80s

literally held together with hopes and dreams.

Anything deeper than 3 feet is far too deep for me. These guys were mad lads level of insane!

The whole transcript talked about in the video was faked. There was no communication with the sub.

@@Kevin-ht1ox What do you base your statement on? Source?

Same here, watching a TV documentary from the safety of my sofa is the maximum I’d go for with subjects like this

Me too. Brrrrrr…..

The issue is since they werent tethered al they had was pretty much a SMS system. Which doesnt have massive bandwidth. So short text messages is about all they had to report back with. Thats what Ive been hearing at least.

you can’t use radio wave through water, so you’re quite limited.

of course it sends. This movie is an example of hyenaism, making money based on a false record. It's disgusting

He didn’t like 50 year old white guys. Weird, who wouldn’t want experienced engineers?

By all accounts, the system was returning position and status data at 15-minute intervals. The inertial navigation and telemetry system is made by Teledyne Marine, and uses an acoustic modem to communicate. OceanGate had been using Teledyne equipment from the start. There is an interview around here between Rush and Teledyne. In that interview, he stated that he didn't like to be interrupted by voice communications, and so the system as configured did _not_ have voice capability-but it is available.

Interesting

Thanks for sharing

Excellent post, thank you, very interesting

Thanks for sharing. Very interesting stuff you went through.

Thank you for Sharing, sir and thank you for Your service

Agreed,a once in a lifetime trip to die for at the low price of $250,000.00per soul&we aren't immortal's&not a Soul gets out of this life alive the dead know nothing.I feel bad for the teen his mom was suppose to go but she goy scared&talked her son in going fur fathersday.

" Snap crackle pop "

Yeah and then if you listened to what he said immediately after that, he said that didn't happen in this case

Well they were right actually. It's just that the timeframe for warning is in milliseconds, not in minutes or hours. 😅

No time to scream.

Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Makes sense now. Where were you all weekend when I was without water due to a clogged sink and very runny shower waiting on my landlord to get here to fix it? I could have done it myself lol

Every ship on the sea floor is an uncertified submersible, including the Titanic. :)

Scariest words in rocketry are "uh oh"

Scariest one for space projects: Were we supposed to use metric or imperial for the measurements?

@@communistsaregross3165 Building one from a kit would be "home assembled". Making one by duplicating the peces from a working helicopter or a kit would be "home manufactured". Making one of your own design would be "home made" and "home foolhardy".

@@The_DC_Kid Remember there was that guy in India that designed and built his own helicopter with very little formal knowledge and was unfortunately killed before it ever flew. He was testing it while it was anchored to the ground and the tail rotor exploded(carbon composite?), sending shrapnel into the cabin. Experts say his design had the tail rotor spinning far too fast in relation to the main rotor, plus the rotor wasn't built to aerospace standards to reliably withstand the stresses it was under.

20 harrowing minutes

Yep...I suspected as much...but not like this

Honestly. People are too soft. They need to know how messed up life can be so they can cherish lives more.

Yes unfortunately it was 😢

My daughter has posters of Stockton Rush all over her walls. She wants to be a submersible pilot. Should I tell her?

The guy was cavalier with safety protocols and standards. The biggest shame is that he took four other people with him.

If so, how was the sub design ever approved and allowed to go forward? I don't think so on the pilot error being suicides. Maybe a couple of them were but in many cases a determination was made that either a poor design, wrong bolt, forgetfulness (pitons), or software error were responsible. Also some of them could have been planned because of who may have been onboard. I'd like to know why the Malaysian gov't isn't pursuing finding the MH370 wreckage. They have a very plausible (maybe 90%) lead to examine, but won't. Why?

Many small plane crashes are labelled "pilot error" when in fact there was mechanical malfunction due to design issues. The airplane manufacturers are powerful and the NTSB will only push back hard with large airliners.

@@user-hc9lp3hb1r Yes, absolutely. Small planes don't have the rigid requirements for maintenance and safety that commercial carriers have. I personally knew a crash victim who survived. Why did the plane go down? Because it was way overloaded. Sad.

@ConwayTwitter Why would this be remembered in 100 years? I think it will all be forgotten in 10 years.

It's a fake transcript people. Been debunked for awhile now.

To OP. Which is why this whole "transcript" is *utter nonsense* "The sub should have plenty of positive buoyancy now and it should be impossible to stop the sub from surfacing. It should be rising like a cork" So why wasn't it?? In a regular military submarine this can happen due to severe flooding of some compartments. But the Titan was a deep-sea submersible. If there is a leak... it's instant implosion. And if there couldn't be a leak why didn't it rise fast? Because. This. Transcript. Is. Nonsense.

Thank you

Looking at how many shortcuts were taken , the crew weight was probably too heavy and that fought against the positive buoyancy maybe ?

@@2534will I'm thinking that the composite material (in the cylindrical part) had so many micro-fractures in it from repeated dives, that the material was no longer rigid. So as the sub dove, the composite could actually flex inwards, reducing the volume of air inside the sub and thus, reducing the sub's buoyancy. It would explain why the sub's rate of descent was getting faster, the deeper it got. And why they had so much trouble surfacing, later on. The sub's volume (and buoyancy) had actually been reduced by the water pressure.

How many letters per minute was your bandwidth for acoustically transmitted text messages at maximum dive depth from Alvin to surface ship through the thermocline?

@@thekaiser4333 Basically like typing with one finger. However, Alvin has a voice (phone) as well as code communication system. As depth increases, the delay increases. I found the phone to be a bit garbled at great depth and unnecessary. for the most part, you are autonomous and simple text is fine. Hope that helps.

@@oceanexploration I guess for the phone you used the Gertrud system? Up to a couple of 100 yards that should be fine. But not 4000m in salty waters. How at 4000m near a noisy shipping lane like the Titanic rest place? Text? How many letters per minute? One letter? Or were you tethered?

@@oceanexploration Nice ship, the Alvin. Quite suitable for Titanic. Wonder why Cameron preferred to use Russian subs? How many Alvins are there?

Deformation would be usually be the case for sure. But looking at a video on KZfaq from Dr. Chris Rayner going over the accident, he looked at carbon fiber on the hydraulic press channel, and when it breaks, it does so like shards of rock or glass.

Same

Period

I definitely would have had a panic attack. But I wouldn't be there in the first place. Nothing about it sounds enticing to me.

19 minutes for what?

​@NoMoreQQ 19 minutes of knowing there was a problem?

Same here. I panicked when I had to undergo an MRI. The chamber was dark and noisy. If I should need another one, I will insist in sedation.

Not even if I was PAID 250K! Not even a million!

If I was a rich going down to see the Titanic would not be on my bucket list

@@MattVrazel-xy1hj I can think of much better ways to spend a quarter million and none of them involve a trip to the bottom of the ocean in a tin can with video game controllers.

Why would you question god about his decision to let them die?? Second guessing god and pointing is wrong decision to him is a good way to get to hell???

FYI the kid wanted to go. His mom has said in interviews that she gave her seat up because her son wanted to go that bad. He wanted to be the first person to solve a rubix cube at the titanic.

This has since been debunked as a fake transcript

they were rich. they lived good lives.

@@gregoryretzlaff7884😅😅😅😅 clearly there was no god for them. He was probably helping a pro athlete win a game or something. Definitely missed the assignment on helping these poor folks.

It does sound (no pun intended) like the human ear was equally able to detect issues too.

They played this off as an advancement over other subs. Forgetting of course other subs don't need such systems because they've been engineered properly and proven safe by independent agencies.

It's like the idiot lights on your car's dash that tell you that you already have a problem!

​@@bobjohnson205the gear shift light in older manual cars

That's what that engineer they fired said 😂

I decided against Nuke and went with electronics instead (hated physics, loved math). Thank you for your insight. Sub riders have the best stories.

I appreciate your comment. I also pray they had enough time to make peace with their creator. I just can’t truly fathom how terrifying this must have been for them. Your comment opened my eyes a little bit. Thank you for your service, to both of you.

So what could be the reason of the slow ascent ? Change on the buyancy equation ? Water ingress in the back compartment ? This would have titled the sub no ? If these comms are the only data transmitted (depth and time stamp) it would indicate a piss poor design and implementation. Nothing relative to the horizontal and vertical position of the sub ? They are in pitch black environement for god^s sake how can they judge they are levelled out ? Jeez that whole operation looks like a dinky toy game gone bad.

my guess is those atheists would be praying too

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And cos he knew Stockton Rush was an idiot and a rogue who took unnecessary risks

@@littleangel18 That may not be true. In his media statements he said he thought they had "fixed the problems" and wished he had been more publicly vocal about the criticism of risk for that design. At least, that's what he said on CNN or some other channel.

the navy knew when it happened so why did they let the farce continue.

He had inside information (probably from military sources, which is why he was vague) that military microphones had picked up the implosion.

@@tyeck5502 No. His source was the very small Deep Sea Exploration community. They are all experts in their field, and refer to each other for knowledge and feedback. I believe the number of people in this community is around or below 100 individuals. You can find all the facts from watching the actual interviews James Cameron did, after the Coastguard Admiral in charge declared that they had found wreckage and concluded it imploded. James Cameron went on many news interviews, such as with CNN, BBC and NBC.

this is what i can't understand. that descent rate means he knew they were overweight, means he should have known they could have issues ascending. Why on Earth didn't they abort right near start of dive? Ridiculous.

@@backfromcuba Was the total weight of the passengers too heavy? Can this experiment get any worse? I guess there will be lots more to come from the official inquiry.

Would not the top ship have someone up there saying: Return NOW?

@@diannt9583because the big boss was in the sub and he was famous for not respecting safety issues?

@@backfromcubabecause clearly this is a very fake transcript. Originally a transcript was released on TikTok that claimed to be “voice communications” until they realized they’re WERE no voice comms, at which point they released this text transcript with parts taken almost word for word from the “voice” hoax. This is just a really despicable and shameful cash grab by people on TikTok.

According to his mom, he actually wanted to go. He also brought a Rubik’s cube to break a World Record while down there.

To be fair it sounds like this system did seem to give about 20 minutes of warning, the question is: why didn't they immediately ascend? They should not have needed thrusters to get up unless they were overweight

I found another video where they did a dive and they apparently were unable to ascend, so this is not a new thing at all. They likely either had a defective system for dropping ballast or were way overweight

@@davedoe6445when we built sub we test their hull and know what’s their capabilities is and we test 20 percent more than designated depth and we forge them from strong durable material , the idea of building acoustic moniters to tell us that ur hull is failing is reallly reflective of the harsh reality of the poor design they had , I gotta admit it worked for dozens of times but it is not as recyclable or durable like titanium or steel

@@midokhalil1558no it should have been a metal sphere, the design was just plain unsafe. It was very unethical of them to sell commercial tickets for such an experimental craft

@@davedoe6445 well rush managed to get around that by calling them a mission specialist and having them to carry a bucket or tight a nut with a wrench and he named their participation as financing science endeavors, and he let them know it was experimental, it did work but I agree it was an unsafe design I would not do it and I will be 100 percent safe in a titanium sphere or steel sphere , even if it was from titanium the cylinder design will be subjugated to stress points around the welds area and nuts and could fail if not tested and also it would have been a really costly approach that rush himself was trying to avoid

Yes whoever made up this fanfiction transcript made sure they incorporated what Cameron said for "credibility" . The ratio of people falling for this vs. people who think this is a huge red flag is shamefully large.

​​​@@richardb4313ere's no "real" reason to believe either side though, other than one's desire to be on A side. A true rational personal wouldn't make a decision on the veracity of it until it's proven. People have leaked gore pictures of famous people accidents/deaths, "confidential" messages between high ranking figures, and many other, more relevant information. So no, I wouldn't doubt this is real. But it can always be fake until confirm by trusted sources (and even then, what a "trusted source" is debatable nowadays). So why be so passionate about one side or the other? You are an example of your own comment.

@@richardb4313 I'm willing to tentatively accept this. We know that this sub failed, we know that it imploded catastrophically, the only thing we don't know yet was the cause. Yes, people may believe this, and currently I find it plausible. I appreciate there are a shamefully large number of people that will fall for claims without credible evidence, as in about 75% of the people on this planet. I find it a little surprising that so many believe things that are not plausible, for example that there is a wizard daddy in the sky that created the cosmos and earth out of nothing, many even believe this was done in six days. Back in the day folks lived to a hundred, and a global flood happened where societies that were on the planet at this time never even noticed this happening.

​@@richardb4313how u know it fake Richard B

​@@richardb4313 Just like your ego is shamefully large. Perhaps, you should present why you think this is made-up to help people understand why you believe it's a red flag, rather than just trying to act like you're superior than everyone? What good does it do to be so upset about it if you're not going to promote actual change?

JFC, buddy. You may have just kickstarted my diet to walk up stairs wherever possible.

A steel company using carbon fiber ropes? Go figure...

Think I'll be taking the stairs from now on...

@@topsteve9898 Especially if it's you doing the ground-breaking when it goes wrong!

You'd likely be fine in one of the metal subs. It was just foolish to use carbon fiber as the material for the pressure hull. No one else has been that stupid.

I get so sad when i think about that kid, imagine the anxiety descending down because he didnt even wanna go in the first place….now imagine him realizing how fucked and unlucky he was at that moment in that sub when he saw Mr. Rush get nervy himself….

They knew the risks. Don’t feel bad for them.

@@BionicPig95 The kid didn't sign up for it willingly. Him I feel bad for. The adults, whatever.

@@Roadent1241 yes he did. He felt pressured, but he still did it willingly.

@@Roadent1241 and the pressure he felt from daddy was nothing compared to the pressure that killed him lol

Concur with all point except they might not have had water ingress if the hull was being compressed. That could reduce buoyancy rather a lot. I can imagine failure of the end cap attachment in which the fiber yields and buckles locally in the retaining ring, and you lose several inches of hull length. Deformation would also explain the difficulty dropping the landing frame.

Also explains why the recovered landing frame was undamaged if it was dropped before the implosion.

I think you nailed it. They had water intrusion into the AFT, which sped up their descent. They should have noticed speed and aborted on the down much earlier. With that intrusion, the ascent was way too slow. 20 minutes in terror.....

I wonder if dropping the landing frame was difficult because the craft was already deformed. 6. Good explanation for the delay!

yea … water ingress ? where ? The only points that could really have any ingress without it being visibly obvious is where the end rings mate to the pressure hull. There isn’t enough room anywhere there to have that drastic a weight change. There isn’t any way you wouldn’t notice the amount of water it would take to cause that rapid a decent coming into the vessel. The pressure hull buckled or the adhesive used to affix the end rings was squeezed over multiple dives causing its most likely brittle cured state to cause the ring to “come unglued” as it were

The carbon fiber he bought from Boeing was literally expired. According to Boeing, it was no longer suitable for use in aircraft, let alone submarines. Rush falsely claimed that several companies (including Boeing) were involved in the design and construction of his sub. He did this to build up his credibility among investors and the public. Boeing cleared that up later on with a statement that they had sold Rush the (expired) composite and that was it. They were not involved in any other way.

not only that the carbon fiber had an expiration date, apparently he used carbon fiber that was already expired just to save money

Idk jack about subs but it wouldn't seem odd to me at all if the desent is faster as they start and are shallower then slow down the deeper they get. If that is true then this breakdown start saying they were going to fast is bunked.

Same

You’re obviously a product of main stream media 😂 you muppet.

He could be meaning two different things by too fast. I don’t know anything about water or subs, but I guess the pressure that mounts as you descent can increase the rate of speed. And if they had full ballast early that helps increase it even more. If they had gone the normal rate of speed required and typically followed by as shown in the video maybe there wouldn’t have been the crackling as they descended. And because of the quick descent pressure mounted too quickly to distribute the weight possibly. Still though I don’t get why (following the maybe real transcript) they didn’t change their velocity when suggested by top after they checked their speed.

i feel like its fake ... first the depths are off and i dont think this would be due to a defect ... also multiple sources said the rtm sucks and its foresight was over emphasized by the company. Also many experts claimed the sub would implode near instant - unabling the crew to "hear cracks"

That's what I was thinking about the father & son. Supposedly the son went still trying to get his father to love him so maybe the father finally said, "I love you" and they were at peace❤

@@jillsy2815this was a horrible event let’s be careful with fanfiction.

​@@HazeLmaowhy do we need to be careful?

"Happy Father's Day"

It happened in .03 seconds. The rate of the delamination would have very rapid at the depth with the pressure.

Ignored, dismissed and fired.

I very seriously doubt the Navy qualified anything for a $1M. To have actually built this right, and capable of having 5-6 passengers with all primary/redundant safety systems, certified for use with all top-notched trained and certified personnel for operations, would likely cost $50-100M. I could understand why the DESIRED choice of CF given its strength per mass, resulting in an overall less weight per volume and then payload capacity...But, in the end it was plain stupid though. The Navy OTOH has a virtual "unlimited" budget for such things in comparison.

The ceo said he didn't want white veterans. He wanted young kids

The last item they jettisoned was the frame, which may have provided some structural strength to the vessel. Ascending without it may have caused too much flex in the tube-shaped carbon fiber hull, which most likely had microscopic fractures.

"Inspiring diversity" was a good cover story for his cost cutting. How much did the "50 year old white guy" sub vets demand in salary, and how quickly would said vets have punched Rush in the nose after seeing his shoddy operation?

“Crew” 😢

"have had mercy" becuase He already did or did not. . . . .

Splitting hairs are we..?@@atgblue1

And yet, instead of coming right out and SAYING exactly that to him, Stockton Rush had made everyone involved so afraid to disagree with him (for fear of being fired) that the support team worded it as a question, asking him *IF* he needed to adjust velocity. If he hadn’t replaced all the level headed people with “yes men” they would’ve told him straight out that they needed to adjust their velocity right at the beginning, when they were still close enough to the surface to be saved.

Some say he didn't like getting discouraging messages from the surface ship. Yes men'd to death,

What are you gonna do when your boss is down there telling you it's fine.. And he has a history already of firing whistle blowers... yikers

@@Vmurph That's what the a-holes who crash companies always do. I've worked for a few of them. When you see one of them 'moving up' in your company, it's always good to keep your resume up to date!

@@Barb4sale I'm telling my boss the truth and what I think. If he disagrees, that's okay. If he needs to shoot the messenger, and fire me because the truth hurts, then that's his problem. At least I won't have the deaths of five people on my conscience. I'd rather not work for companies and leaders like that in any case.

lol!

My father was involved in a couple "close calls" on a submarine when he was in the Navy, on subs for 20 years, and he said that you go into a mode where you are trying to fix the problem (relying on their training) so you don't really accept that it's happening at the time. When they got out of trouble, that's when they took a deep breath and freaked out! lol. They ascended so fast, and at an angle that was the max for the sub, one time, that the sub surfaced and slammed back down so hard that it went 54 feet under water again before coming up and resting on the surface. He said the digital readout of their depth was moving so fast you couldn't read 2 of the 4 digits during their ascent.

@@orvil9223But I don’t think everyone would have had a job. I think maybe two people would have been frantically trying to fix stuff, but what? They had an elevator button and PlayStation remote? They whole thing is so tragic. Crazy about your dad. I can’t imagine the horror. I was thinking about in aviation how pilots aren’t supposed to communicate in a crisis really to ATC because they are supposed to be aviating. I think this was just another example of how this operation wasn’t up to par in a way. How did they not know they were descending too fast almost immediately when they had done it so many times. They should have known how deep they should be for every time interval.

@@Artsygoons I agree, but, I'm sure that the boss man, as much of an idiot as he was, wasn't letting on how serious the problem was. None of them were so experienced they understood implosion and how it happens, etc. So, when it happened, it was quick - they happen in like a millisecond.

@@Artsygoons As a matter of fact - I just found this. Someone did an example of the submersible imploding. kzfaq.info-BYN1lKdduc

My brother was in navy going to join divers. In training lost two guys and he decided not to do it. Anything can happen.

I know this may not be as dramatic, but one time I was swimming and came up under the plastic pool cover. No air gap, no matter how hard I pushed on it. The panic was involuntary.

Well the people should of been informed that it was risky!

@@tonyvelasquez6776 how else can it be done ? Wires have to enter at some point right ? How is it done on James Cameron’s vessel

Hell, watching the 16 minutes of this was suspenseful enough let alone being down there for 20 minutes doing/hearing all that. Wow. Just wow. Also, thanks for sharing your story. Sounds like you’re a true survivor!

OR the person who faked this transcript saw the James Cameron interview like everyone else 🤔

@@chrisd6736 They have the right text format and the right names of the crew members. It's very unlikely it is fake.

Yup, saw the same interview! Add to that I didn't see any videos of other dives where they had that many (5) large people in the sub. That's a lot of weight too.😬

on the upside (if one can even call it an upside...), aside from the terror of hearing the sub slowly tear itself apart before implosion, death itself would have been utterly instantaneous, and I mean that in the truest sense -- a fraction of a blink of an eye, quite possibly faster than any other human death in recorded history save for those in the immediate blast radius of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. far, far better than being buried alive and slowly suffocating, albeit still a horrible, terrible way to go. needless deaths just for the trend of 'extremophile tourism'.

Yeah, it almost tops the nutty putty cave incident.

My nightmare

I don't even want to be buried in a casket when I die!! I'm getting cremated and dumped in a mud puddle or thrown in a creek lol.

Same here / actually makes me queasy seeing those photos of people inside the submersible. No way I could even get into that thing even if it was on land - I’d seriously have a major panic attack.

Sounds like a narcisist

Pure f’n hubris

Ditto. I'll wind back a little. They are sure they are right, AND they have a significant personal interest in the financial success of the project. That is well known to be a, literally, lethal mixture.

If you look at Stockton's background, you will see he was a pilot. He was never an engineer.

It's a real common trait I think

That sounds like a neat safety feature! I like the RSV Alvin's safety feature myself - the crew compartment is actually an escape pod, and it's the rear part of the submersible that weighs it down. If they jettison the escape pod, it goes up to the surface automatically because it doesn't weigh enough to stay down there.

That's a very cool and ingenious safety feature.

@@waffle_burger8499 It is nothing new if you look at the design of the Trieste [first submersible to go to bottom of Challenger Deep in 1960] it used steel shot for ballast held in two hoppers. Shot was kept from escaping by electromagnets, which allowed it to be released slowly or if in case of electrical failure all at once.

@@carlrossi7989 Then it's even sadder that something like this was not implemented on the Titan! :(

That would use an enormous amount of electricity though, so I doubt it's true. Electricity on these subs is a sacred resource, that's why they all descend under gravity with lights off.

stockton replied "no we are fine" so... he was aware of it.

Being that he fired a man for bringing up safety Concerns I’d say the latter

to be fair, being that it can't handle a litle bit added descent speed and it broke, i don't think that thing not broke with the usual speed either.

​@@ScreamingEagleFTWhe was not qualified to make that comment. He thought that the construction of the Titan was fine, too.

Stockton booted the engineers that gave their safety concerns and warned of the dangers, so it was most definitely the latter.

He made a Bouch of it.

I think when people know they might die, they pray. I was in a few very dire situations in my life (life in real and direct danger), and felt then almost tangible presence of God. So I think most people naturally pray when they think their end is near. And you kind of see your life before your eyes, like a recap of what it's all worth. I can't imagine what else you can do, prayer comes natural in that momens, at least I hope that is for other people as well. 🙏

Hope someone brought a gun in case to end it all quickly

@@joane24 That is what I was thinking..... 19 minutes to get your life right with God if nothing else.

So scary to think about!

this is fake and was uploaded to get views, you fell for it

Yeah, I’d have to guess so.

Yea just imagine hearing that creepy noise of steel bending little by little at first until it just caves in in an instant. Bet they were terrified

@@TheLilE1993 Not the first time the sub made strange sounds according to this person: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pJpgqM6m0J-lqWg.html Forgot the timestamp when he talks about it at some point in the video, that thing was like a Russian roulette, only that the customers didn't know they were playing it but I have to say it was very irresponsible of them to get inside that thing when you look at the wording of the waivers they had to sign, I like to think that my survival instincts would have kicked in and I would have looked for experts opinions first... it seems like many are coming out now, after the fact, about how unsafe that thing really was but the warning signs were there all along. I feel bad for the kid.

Did you even watch the video?

@@mrxxsesshomaruxx9642 the kid is the only one i feel bad for. couldn't care less if some rich prick dies, and the worst part about the CEO dying is that it wasn't slow.

just uploaded and update video tonight

@@jeffostroffdid they ever validate this transcript?

Actually, he did want to go. His mom was supposed to be the one riding along with dad, but the young man showed interest and expressed that he really wanted to go. With her son's excitement and it being father's day, mom gave her ticket to him and told him to have fun. I believe it was his aunt that had come forward saying he never wanted to go, he just felt obligated to join because of fathers day. I later watched an interview with the mom and her story was completely different... Honestly, it doesn't matter if aunt was right by saying he didn't want to go or if mom was right by saying he did want to go. He went and it didn't end well. I'd love to say "this was a freak accident that NOBODY saw coming!" but that would be incorrect... He (Stockton Rush) was warned by multiple people on multiple separate occasions that his logic was flawed and nothing good could come from his glorified trash can sealed with duck tape and gorilla glue. Along with the red flags about the submersibles point of entry and needing to use a drill to insert in 11 screws even though there was 12 holes. When asked about why the 12th screw wasn't put in, he brushed it off with "well there's 11 there. 1 extra screw isn't going to make a difference. I take safety very seriously!" If he took safety seriously, he would have listened to EXPERTS. He would have everything checked/tested/certified. He would have listened when EXPERTS explained compromised structure with multiple materials. And the fact that he kept recruiting young adults because he wanted to be inspirational and prove that you don't have to be a white man in your 50s to be an expert. Yes, it's good to inspire the future generation and occasionally take some risks, but it's like he NEVER ONCE considered that maybe the reason middle aged are the only ones that are deemed experts is because IT TAKES YEARS TO STUDY!! Believe it or not, not all scientists are white. There are many, MANY highly successful scientists that don't have a drop of Caucasian... And the fact that Stockton Rush was a middle aged white man complaining that only middle aged white men go to dive down to the wreckage may possibly be the funniest hypocritical comment I've ever heard...

@@rondakamakahi3772Such A Know It All

Yes he did he loved the thrill of it all

Exactly he was reluctant to go

@@niblett6482 it's not a secret or difficult to read a couple articles that have been circulating or watching a couple videos about this that are still coming up with new details. I said he did want to go, not because I'm a know it all and love spending my time telling people they're wrong, but because the wife and mother of 2 of the victims that lost their lives wanted people to know how excited they were for this experience. I can't begin to imagine how she feels and the pain she's going to carry for a long time, but she didn't have a negative thing to say and finds solace in knowing how happy they were to the very end. I've read comments like "his mom knew he didn't want to go, but forced him anyway" and "why would you allow your child to do that?" and "Giving him permission to do that? she's the one that killed him.". Why continue to spread rumors or talk about something you don't know instead of fact checking or cross referencing to get to the truth. And no, I don't have too much time on my hands, I just got decent at multitasking and making time to ensure I learn something new ("you learn something new everyday and if you don't, you weren't paying attention"). 6wks ago I didn't know the difference between a submarine and a submersible, 45 seconds later, I did! All the other crap was added because of my ADHD squirrellous brain thinking "ooh, time for fun facts?! Hold my submersible game controller and stand back!" And before I know it, I'm working on the 6th installment of my million page essay and being called a know it all... I've been called way worse and not at all offended. Maybe more surprised than anything because I don't think that's one I've been called before... Kudos! I'm not surprised often! Probably because the whole know it all thing... Maybe you got a point, Little Giblet. Still... It takes one to know one. because I'm a 5yo know it all that has more pride for you than your mama does... we can swap if you'd like. My mom made me this way...😅

wanted to put on a show for the high profile guests

@@mr0x1 his ego probably got bruised by all the negative press from the fired engineer so he wanted to prove that the sub was safe so he got reckless and careless cause he had a chip on his shoulder.

He was an arrogant prick and got what he deserved, too bad he had to take innocents down with him...

Every dive the titan made passengers reported crackling sounds which clearly was the carbon fiber hull breaking down with every dive titan made until boom the hull imploded. The main reason they even put that noise monitoring system in the sub was due to the previous cracking noises. So the titan should have been retired after its first dive. Pretty messed up you could hear the cracking every dive it made and they kept using it. Stockton even said on video every deep dive sub makes noises.......no no they don't especially cracking noises you can hear with your naked ear. It was clearly the epoxy or glue in between the layers of carbon fiber breaking apart.

Obviously the RTM was an untested system in this application in these depths. If all indicators are red they know that something is wrong (which is clear due to the cracking sounds).But they do not know that they are just seconds from implosion. Anyways a very scary situation.

Well to be fair, the crew on the ship did exactly what they were hired to do. Ignore the problems and say nothing unless it’s exactly what Rush wanted to hear.

Perhaps the RTM system detects the sound of breaking carbon fibers and this cracking sound will happen for a short while before the hull eventually gives in. However strange noone was reating on the decending speed. They should know exact how fast it was supossed to be decend.

What then would account for the increased weight and the ineffectiveness of dropping ballasts? How do you deduce there was already serious damage to the sub from it's initial high descent speed alone?

I think carbon fiber could have worked, but they were lazy and reckless about its implementation. There was absolutely no consideration of galvanic corrosion of the titanium. I'm sure there's a right way to use carbon fiber for this, but that takes time, money, expertise, and deliberate critical thought, and that's not something the CEO seemed interested in.

Not when there’s a “professional” with extreme credentials telling you that it’s safe you’re more inclined

They definitely had an idea of the risks, did you see the contract they signed?

sounds like Rush was high as a kite in love with 'the new'

@@deryk2002au 90% sure they just glanced over and didn't read the papers.

Welcome aboard!

he wanted to go so he could make a video solving a rubik's cube at the underwater graveyard ..... er Titanic. his mom confirmed he was not scared, just tryin to get internet famous

He actually took the seat his mother was going to use. Turns out the info that he didn't want to go came from his estranged aunt. His mother gave him her seat because she said he really did want to go. I don't know.

@@MidnightMajestyHe did in fact get internet fame …. as a victim caught up in an avoidable tragedy.

I bet he was screaming at his dad, “why the hell did you let me get on this death trap!”

So they had 20 minutes notification that something was wrong .Hope the other 4 had plenty of time to punch Stockton on the nose or break his neck.

What makes you think they dropped the ballast?

@@Ample17 "it was found quite a distance away from the actual debris"

@@Ample17 They said they dropped it in the transcript...

@@skullface691 You mean the transcript that is in no way confirmed and could be completely made up?

@@skullface691this isn’t an actual transcript. It’s a fabrication. Also if it imploded it can send the ballast flying from the point of implosion

It means that the ascent rate is a quarter or 1/4 of what it is supposed to be, most likely because the vessel was too heavy.

@@typicaloofers Thank you for clarifying.

this transcript is proven fake meaning there was no battle for 20 minuets or any attempt at successful resurfacing, the accepted theory is that it suddenly lost thrust and “Without thrust, the weight of the passengers and the pilot (about 400 kilograms), which was focused on the front end close to the view port, would have disrupted the Titan’s longitudinal stability,” No one can confirm at what depth the malfunction happened but then the submersible begins to fall headlong towards the seafloor, and with control and safety functions damaged, it can no longer be maneuvered. ​“The Titan changes position and falls like an arrow vertically because the 400 kilos (880 pounds) of passengers that were at the porthole unbalance the submersible “Everyone rushes and crowds on top of each other. Imagine the horror, the fear, and the agony. It had to be like a horror movie,” added the expert, who believes that everything happened during 48 to 71 seconds of free fall. ​ “As it fell to the depths of the ocean, the hull would have been subjected to a sudden increase in underwater pressure” - leading to a “powerful compression” of the sub’s carbon-fiber hull at a depth of around 9,000 feet, so even if they heard the cracking frankly they already knew they where gonna die and had some time to think about it whilst they where all crammed together at the porthole as the sub fell rapidly.

The sound of the water delaminating the composite-hull at that pressure must have been extremly loud too... (just imagine beeing inside something beeing ripped apart like that..)

@@hwplugburz should have used titanium.

So I guess my question is, why choose carbon fiber in the first place when perfectly accept materials were available? Is there something I'm missing? Cost?

@@susul2843 cost

Yes it's true, but after that warning from Karl Stanley Stockton made repairs on the hull to avoid the loud popping sounds.

​@DKFX1 his repairs weren't good enough unfortunately

The "shotgun" noise is called delamination crackle. It's quite literally the carbon fiber ripping apart. Rush knew exactly what he was doing. He murdered those passengers.

It’s pretty messed up that depending what news outlet aired Kens interview, many cut out that part about Stockton acting on it, including cancelling dives and getting a new 1mil carbon fiber hull replacement. Some news outlets keep changing the context of the interview. Many don’t differentiate from normal sounds Stockton talked about to extreme sounds. I’ve been keeping track in Evernote with dated links and hilighted interviews.

I dont think it matters if Stockton made some repairs after Stanley told him he could literally hear the sub tearing apart the entire time when that material shouldn’t be used in the first place for a sub. That’s the point. Stockton knew he shouldn’t use carbon fiber, people told him he shouldn’t use it, the sub tearing itself apart told him he shouldn’t use it, but he did anyway. Amongst a series of other things that made the sub completely unsafe for people to be inside of. I don’t care if he fixed it, he was entirely in the wrong and entirely knew it. He just didn’t care

Glad to help!

Because the reply would've been "report to HR." The CEO was a living cautionary tale against hubris.

In this outfit, it seems if you are a fifty year old white guy, or speak up, you get fired. Just like the engineering director who got fired for voicing his safety concerns. Looky here, the guy who got fired, and who could have prevented this fiasco, was a fifty year old white guy, with decades of submarine and engineering experience. Who'd have thunk it? Weird. Still, diversity is our strength, right?

Cause that would have been a pink slip. If you show free will he fires you.

Maybe this is an indication that it’s a fake transcript

@@Ardepark From all accounts I've heard, this is exactly what he would do. the faster he got down there the better, like a kid going to get ice cream.

the people that got on that death trap were not courageous they were stupid.

@@biff3917 they were lied to. If someone you perceive as intelligent, dynamic and an adventurous explorer tells you something is safe AND he's going with you, it's easy to get lost in his fantasy and fall for his lies and deception. They were foolish to believe him, but not stupid.

When the media was still lying about "maybe they have air" I hoped that the passengers would have offed Rush first if they knew they were going to suffocate

​@@slayer8actual, pretty despicable thing to say, in my opinion.

So they had 20 minutes notification that something was wrong .Hope the other 4 had plenty of time to punch Stockton on the nose or break his neck.

Those passengers went through hell, everyone saying oh they didnt know anything was wrong is complete horseshit. Imagine that 19 year old kid down there, dam

A ship of fools

The transcript is BS.

When I read the "I switched to B. More sounds" part I did for the first time feel sorry for Stockton Rush. I did not feel sorry for him before.

I feel so sorry for these unfortunate souls. RIP

Good post. My only conclusion to add is that the aft section filled up with water as it descended, perhaps from the beginning. That would explain the loss of ascendency, the cracking delamination, the increased initial decent rate and the power short all in one. Sadly, it may have gone on for some time after the 20 minutes of emergency awareness.

Sounds like a plausible scenario manny. Something was going on that seemed to start causing them to descend too fast, just as soon as they got into the water. I sometimes wonder if he had too many fat passengers onboard? He seemed to be dropping this and dropping that to try to ascend, but nothing was working. The way he was about not testing things, he may have not tested the sub with that amount of weight. The father and son looked to weigh 250 to 300 lbs each and the other two passengers looked pretty big and husky. I've heard people say that descending too fast can cause damage to a sub. Maybe the weight of the passengers caused it to descend too fast, causing the hull delamination and other things you mentioned.

@@hillbillybeerdranker6678 I see this as a simple but valid argument. As carbon fiber hull isn't elastic the vessels buoyancy can't be changed that much due to less displacement. The CF hull is either stiff... or collapsing. Delamination and more water getting pushed into the levels of CF means, as water weights nothing in water, that there has been something lighter than water inbetween the layers: air. I can't imagine that there might have been so much air in the glue that it has any effect on buoyancy. Everybody who has ever worked with glue or resin knows that you always have to get air bubbles out of your liquid. The carbon fibre was wound and glued by specialists, I doubt there were any air bubbles. The pilot dropped the vessel "like a stone" over 90mins and did not wonder? Either they had a totally different dive diagram (non-linear) than us or they did it linear and he just did not care, whatever his reasons might have been.

@@SaltedKillick the only place on the sub not filled with water is the crew compartment. And at that depth, any leak would be a short affair and loss of buoyancy not the major issue.

@@hillbillybeerdranker6678 your "Fat Passengers" scenario is quite valid, imo. Excessive weight should affect descent and ascent.

They do that tapping on bike frames too. Those can be repaired.

Same here. As a mechanical engineer who made the windows for the Lockheed Orion spacecraft, I err on the side of caution TO THE EXTREME. High/low pressure environments are not to be trifled with.

@@jimheimerl1637 Wow, that's an achievement to post on a resume. I'm also a mechanical engineer. I work for a power company specifically in steam power generation.

Pay a quarter million, sign a waver and have yourself sealed in a death trap, bolted shut from the outside. I thought I did stupid things with my money. I would never ever have entered that sub, not for a million dollars. To go watch a shipwreck where hundreds of people died. And call it the Titan. Bad karma much?

@@jimheimerl1637 Ha ha... wow! You engineered some windows for a fake space craft. Amazing! So smart you are. Look up and see the pretty lights... NASA is Hollywood East and just hires dumb engineers to do dumb useless vanity projects to inject money into the economy. Wake up!

I know nothing about engineering, but the word "composite" would have done it for me.

He was forced in it

on the other hand, i'm kinda glad the CEO that was on board had the time to realise what was the price of his actions.

19 years old is young man

i even imagine him trying to send the message to his mom but major prick rush would be in control of the messaging board.

Their eternal souls are still regretting.

They knew for a long time before the end that they were doomed. Sub had structure integrity alarms so it would have been warning them of imminent catastrophic failure.

It's 100% fake are you kidding me? Based on all the science we've been presented with on how fast an imposion would happen on such a frail vessel - you really think they had time to send a text as it was actively cracking?

But they work on the surface, where the chat was copied.

Good for investigations.

They used code to communicate with the support ship, but full fledged sentences. The fake transcript been edited and recirculated every time sleuths point out why it’s fake af.

​​@@tripplefives1402satellites are a thing. Starlink is another thing

oh he 100% would be, why else do you think he was descending too fast :p fortunately he'll never put anyone in danger ever again

Exactly, and this is nuts. From what I have read they briefed nearly constantly for days prior to the dive. You know they had target times and depths written down and committed to memory. The descent should have been halted when the first depth check was so far out of the envelope....DEFINATELY when subsequent debtch checks were out. That craft wasn't descending, it was sinking.

I would say the same. I had played Cold Water, and I knew I would have problems if I couldnt pump water out from a sector of the sub, where I knew it would effect my buoyancy. When I watched this video and read that they had released ballast and jettisoned the frame, and having a slow accent, then I knew something was effecting the the byoyancy. Something is feeling up. And out on how I remember the the sub was made, then I think I know where it could feel up and where it was cracking. I wish we could have something that tell us how much their pitch was

Man I was thinking this was probably fake but It'd be pretty wild for them to accidentally have a consistent 18 or so of missing buoyancy. Makes me think something hitched a ride. Could explain why they had trouble jettisoning the frame.

So it's likely if they'd started ascending at 3000m or when the first cracking noises happened they'd have probably survived..... instead it kept dropping.

@@HeadlessZombYit was definitely fake. I don’t think they could jettison the frame and the frame has come up with significant damage as if it had been on it when it imploded. Easily fake

How did you get out?

Yeah how did you get out?

@@Deathworg1 He didn't, he's still in there. Luckily he could connect to wifi from inside the storage closet.

@@-cosmicrogue- I was banging the door and shouting and one of the patrons heard it, called recepetion and they came and found out. Maintainence took the handle off the door (which should usually open both ways) without telling me so I could pull the door open from the outside, but had no way of opening it from the inside as it was a fire door. I was in there for 34 minutes, but it felt like a lifetime when the panic set in and I realized it would've been 6am when the morning staff would have come in.

@@tylerchambers6246😂😂😂

Good point but this might need confirmation on the brand/model of scale? I have seen this happen with cheaper scales which basically measure only weight on their "feet" pads, so that the carpet pile will lend some undesired support to the bottom surface rather than on the feet. But some "electronic" scales are more like older scales where the entire bottom surface is a solid "pad", so it wouldn't matter exactly where it's supported.

yikes. I did not think of this. This makes it SOOOO MUCH WORSE

A deep sea hamster wheel. Genius.🤦

I believe it. An easy over sight for sure. What a disaster.

AND THAT is why you dont use a PlayStation controller that can be easily broken when the sub rolls

7:48 What you said makes sense but according to the (maybe real transcript) they would have gone to one side to take it off. According to it they did that successfully since there was no mention of anything catastrophic like this. So this probably didn’t happen but if the sub had water it probably was leaning backwards.

5here was no water infiltration. If any water infiltrated the vessel it would shred into pieces. We Che k for leaks lower decks of destroyers with smoke packs cause even at those shallow depths apjnhole jet can cause lacerations. At the depth they were at nothing happens slow, there are no slow leaks.

The reason is the experience. Even if you're sitting there looking at the cameras, it isn't the same effect as being down there seeing it. Unfortunately sometimes the experience includes being turned into meatberry jam by about 400 atmospheres of pressure.

Not so sure about that. You wouldn't be able to have a live video link, so how are you going to control it?

@@Vousie I think if there was radio communication with the surface then should be a way to send video, I don't know if the speed would be enough, but internet by radio exists.

@@DracoHandsomethey were still going to be viewing it on a monitor even though it was right in front of them.

@@DracoHandsome meatberry jam is a new one :D