Learn From Fred Again & Skrillex and STOP Overproducing

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Alice Yalcin Efe - Mercurial Tones Academy

Жыл бұрын

Overproducing can lead to many issues, and even the giant producers like Fred Again, Skrillex and Four Tet is really careful about avoiding it. Let's deep dive into the problem a bit.
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@hoyosdelavegacarlos1894 Жыл бұрын

This is one of the biggest videos about music production... I´ve been into this for 7 years and beacause of my perfectionism I had only release 5 songs, that really killed my creativity. All this problems that you mention on this video are really importat to put on the table and try to solve it as an individual. During the last year on my private life I started to leave my perfectionism and I started to enjoy family, friends, work and ofcourse myself more and more. CHEERS FOR THIS VIDEO, FR. I love the quality an effort that you put on your videos... this will help a lot future producers :)

@Alice-Efe Жыл бұрын

Thank you, really appreciate it! As long as people enjoy the videos and they add value to community; I am more than happy to put all my effort on them 😊

@photicsonar Жыл бұрын

Yes, really it is!

@satbirsaini8875 Жыл бұрын

What makes a song good is the vibe, and that’s the sound selection and home you create around the initial idea. The rest is a natural consequence.

@19DANCER11 Жыл бұрын

100%

@Phillink Жыл бұрын

Im in the same spot.... I have like 20 unreleased songs that I edit from time to time but my perfectionism holds me back so hard that I lose the joy of making music ... How did you overcome that perfectionism?? I NEED TO STOP

@igmusicandflying Жыл бұрын

I put perfectionism away last year and challenged myself to put out tracks as many weeks as I can on a strict Saturday to Saturday schedule, the goal being 40 tracks (I allowed a week a month because I still have a day job, and family and house obligations). They didn't have to be good, or even finished, but if I start a track that week, it's going up on SoundCloud by 3 PM Saturday regardless. I didn't get the time to get obsessed with a track, and even if I didn't like the end result, it was okay because I can just start something new next week. I made some of the best tracks I've ever made as a result of it. Not all of them, to be sure. But I've got 7 I'm happy enough with to spend doing those final "20%" improvements to make my first album ever this year. I'm 55 and have no illusions about having a paying career in music. It's the first time in my life I didn't just quit in frustration after spending months on tracks before just abandoning them.

@AahSol Жыл бұрын

Happy to hear that! When you release your album can you post the link in this comment section so I can check it out?!!

@eabea Жыл бұрын

thank you for sharing, i'm going to attempt something similar soon

@arnoldho169 Жыл бұрын

Props for your discipline with a family and job!!!

@igmusicandflying Жыл бұрын

@@AahSol will do! While I despise self-promotion in other people's channels, it's not difficult to get to a preview from my KZfaq profile.

@subradiant_music Жыл бұрын

kinda agree to a point. I do like some perfection as well, it seems rough to be that artist that has 74 albums in one year. At that point you are trying to get people to shuffle through your work I feel.

@DodgaOfficial Жыл бұрын

I've learned overtime that possibly the most important thing you can do is remove stuff and simplify your track. I regularly remove notes from tracks and let the sounds really shine, sometimes complexity is needed, but most of time, making it simple is the best bet, human beings remember things that are simple yet tickle their fancy, they might be impressed by something super complex but they're not gonna be humming it.

@aikighost Жыл бұрын

I used to love IDM & complex breakcore stuff but over time it started to wear on me and I realised minimalism is really where its at for things that become "classic" in any genre not just electronic music.

@jacobjobes4566 Жыл бұрын

IDM is often simpler than it seems. E.g. crazy chopped up break on one channel even though it might sound like a hundred things going on at once

@kozihoppy Жыл бұрын

So true about the song fatigue, I would even add the fun fact that's when you listen to a track you thought was boring and for whatever reason you stopped producing you find it was actually good and had potential, now I understand (sometimes) it's because of the song fatigue.

@wired-up5677 Жыл бұрын

The absolute worst feeling is when you're really feeling a track and grooving to it , stank face n all and then all of a sudden you've fiddles with something not that important or noticeable for too long and start to get tired of the song.

@isakferm7674 Жыл бұрын

@@wired-up5677 I feel you on that exactly. You feel like you’re doing some sick ass sh*t, you overproduce and that high dies down. Although for me if I take a week off from that project, I’ll often like I feel better about it

@danylodrachov4500 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this, Alice. I feel like more videos like this would benefit the community. Sound design and mixing tricks are cool and all, but in the end, you got to select only a few options and chill. This video is much appreciated!

@Alice-Efe Жыл бұрын

Really happy to help. I will try to make more similar videos like this in the future.

@EliasJamousCK Жыл бұрын

Cool video! This such an important thing to stress and be aware of not doing. I think the main problem for new producers that causes them to OVERPRODUCE is they're new to sound selection their ears aren't tuned enough just yet to pick out the good sounds from the bad sounds, so what ends up happening they start layering many different sounds to achieve what they think they want to achieve! Instead of being able to pin point what sound or what they need to take out to make their track more polished. There for causing them to start to overproduce and spend more time on a track than they should. Really nice video Alice!!

@Alice-Efe Жыл бұрын

Thank you and definitely what I see with new producers as well. Cheers!

@Yum_Yum_Delicious_Cum Жыл бұрын

Yup thats me

@meusince199 Жыл бұрын

This is me.

@Poetic-ally Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for giving an explanation to this! I have 1 song on Spotify with 1,5 million plays, it is fairly simple, and ever since I've struggled to put out a song as accessible! I later realized that I started adding too many complex elements to my songs, I have songs now that has gone through 17 different versions and has taken half a year to finish (to my liking) I've first learned recently to (Somewhat) know what makes a listenable dance track, that is to make an element in a song breath a bit more, and interrupt that by a new element (for instance a new chord progression) This is a symptom I have because I don't trust that I can keep a listeners attention for that long (which has something to do with low self-esteem as well) which is a problem that is briefly glossed over beautifully in this video! You've earned a new sub!

@itsrnav Жыл бұрын

Absolutely great video, I struggle with hating my songs, and completely deviating from what I started with that made me excited in the first place, I don't have to make it any more difficult than it has to be in the first place! Thanks for the video, there is actually a method to this creative madness :D

@gotickofficial Жыл бұрын

This hit right in the feels... In a good way! I was really needing this video, thank you ever so much for your work!!! ❤

@luisdottor2427 Жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot Alice!! You are the best teacher and the best mentor! Keep going making incredible music and inspiring videos!

@sadikcanerylmaz8693 Жыл бұрын

This was the video I've been waiting for.... I was keep asking myself to solve this problem. thank you so much alice!!!

@MidnightUnity Жыл бұрын

Another great video Alice! A lot of great insights on "being a producer" and not only what to "do" as a producer! Thanks a lot for your amazing work!

@Alice-Efe Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Definitely! I think being a producer is closer to being a composer than being an engineer. 😊

@AriesBeatsTutorials Жыл бұрын

This is indeed an incredibly good post, thank you so much. I could write a novel evaluating every single passage, excellent, really! 💜🎶

@gkunz3 Жыл бұрын

Yet another fantastic tutorial. The depth of your knowledge is only exceeded by the clarity of the presentation. Thanks!

@pabololo Жыл бұрын

thank you so much Alice! following your journey here since years and this video was so inspiring and helpful again💐

@OfoeNelson Жыл бұрын

Glad I stumbled across your channel. Life changing. Blowing everyone out of the water with quality straight to the point videos with an expert touch. You really know wtf you're talking about and not many channels balance the music knowledge and research with quality example projects. You're killin it!!❤

@AlexJBethell Жыл бұрын

This video is absolutely golden. I found your channel early on in to my production journey and I am so happy that I did. You are inspirational. Thank you so much

@Drasen Жыл бұрын

These are things I’ve realized after almost 12 years of doing music, powerful advice!! Everyone who is up & coming, apply this!!

@Chris-iu3vl Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your time and effort with this video! Superb content. Bless

@L0rdr3tr0 Жыл бұрын

This is a great video about it all how have I been missing this all my life! I love this!

@galvadorsd Жыл бұрын

great video alice. not only did you give us great music production tips but you also passed an awesome message!

@reggiedavis4961 Жыл бұрын

You’re amazing!! Keep posting such helpful content ❤️❤️

@amilcarjoel Жыл бұрын

Aprecio mucho tu contenido, todo ha cambiado mucho y se siente muy orgánico. Tu nuevo aspecto, las explicaciones y el formato :)))

@ginzuko2562 Жыл бұрын

omg this video helped me so out of my problems. thank you so much and much love. keep going !

@aerialgrey2566 Жыл бұрын

Your vids are so good! Been producing for 11 years still learning a ton of stuff from you. Thank you!

@anniewaldemarson7869 Жыл бұрын

Love your videos, feel lucky to have come across your channel!

@RaggaPuddin Жыл бұрын

Legend... this is so on point all the best!!x bless up, you make a great teacher!!x I wish you success in all you do.

@HeyItsMattSmith Жыл бұрын

Amazing video! Great premises and great examples. Nice editing too! I'm sure I'll be coming back to this one :)

@RestorationsFOD Жыл бұрын

Every analogy made complete sense to me! Thanks for this👍

@carlojulianmusic Жыл бұрын

I really needed this. Thank you so much for this video.

@19DANCER11 Жыл бұрын

Awesome video Alice! This is just what I needed to hear

@purplepeople950 Жыл бұрын

This was lovely video, completely agree and keep a reminder that less is more in the front of the mind! Thanks for sharing your personal experience and thanks for the effort you put into making the video, this one struck a chord, pun obviously intended 🚀💜

@Lu-ly4nk Жыл бұрын

pt-br: depois de um certo tempo estudando música principalmente se vc não é apaixonado por teoria musical, vc começa a querer entender mais a fundo pequenos detalhes que existem na produção, esse video me trouxe a sensação maravilhosa de aprender

@bretocameron 3 ай бұрын

I have been a hobbyist producer for years and this channel is one of the best I've ever discovered. You've got the rare mix of great educational content but also great tracks! Thank you!

@benjaminbolton7821 Жыл бұрын

Splendid video Alice! The Pokémon analogy was perfect!

@allyouracid Жыл бұрын

Yet another amazing video. Thanks, your videos are the ones where you grab a pen (or open notepad hehe) and take notes! What I really took away from it is the overcrowding part. Next project I'm working on, I'm planning ahead on what synthesizers to use, and I physically remove everything else from the setup, so I won't even get the idea to use all those "great ideas" together in one piece.

@Usageee Жыл бұрын

Once again gaining a new perspective! Love the pareto principle and pokemon analogy! This is such a great video! Thank you so much! Sometimes I tend to stop and discard a song after I am 60% - 70% into it and i start to feel that the song sounds bad when initially I was grooving to it when I was working on it. Definitely something to do with song fatigue >< I should go back to those songs.

@tarantula762 Жыл бұрын

2k takipçiden beri buradayım, 2.5 yıldır ara verdim ama aradaki videoları izleyerek günümüze geleceğim, senin motivasyonun beni inspire lıyor, teşekkürler Alice.

@diatom548 Жыл бұрын

İçinde bulunduğum çıkmaz döngüyü çok güzel ifade etmişsin. Önerilerin için teşekkürler video ilaç gibi geldi : ) "Mükemmelliyetçilik en yüksek düzeyde kendi potansiyelini kötüye kullanmaktır"

@Nova_Afterglow Жыл бұрын

this is a great video Alice. i was actually thinking about over producing very recently. I feel like if my song sounds like two songs are playing at once, then i over produced and i need to make the main idea more clear. that last example really shows that. before you muted a lot of tracks, it sounded like almost 3 different songs where playing at once.

@Marv Жыл бұрын

Love your videos 🙏 There's just so much value in every one of them.

@JamminBoy90 Жыл бұрын

This has really helped me, thank you Alice!

@freke80 Жыл бұрын

Very well explained and demonstrated. This video is really next level, diving deeper down into the psychology of making music which might also be a 20/80, but I need to philosophize some more before I can say for certain. Thanks!

@dikkeoliebol Жыл бұрын

Just found your channel and watched 3 videos, I've been producing and watching videos for 6 months and I genuinely think this is the best content i've found :)

@putte_stuttgart Жыл бұрын

Wonderful ... just wonderful. Thanks a lot for all your work and the person you just are.

@talhawynne Жыл бұрын

This is such a great video, in a sea of just straight up tutorials your video stands out as a beacon. And that parting note by Anne Wilson Schaef, that will stay with me for a while.

@Jobobaboss Жыл бұрын

You’re a goddess! This is very helpful to me. I wrote down most things that you’ve said so I won’t forget them! Thank you lady! I’ll definitely hang around on your channel! Btw, all though from deep down I already knew, but you reminded me that making music is a mostly psychological journey. So that means that your tips will not only help the creative process, but also lots of other aspects in life. 😊👍

@MrChamesy Жыл бұрын

When you wrote that stuff down it really put things into perspective, thank you!

@richtrelo Жыл бұрын

Great video! I've definitely been guilty of adding more to my tracks and making it less clear. More is less.

@Chamber_xo Жыл бұрын

I wasn’t expecting this, it was something I needed to hear m, thanks. tThis insight into the deep state of mind, perfection has been a damper on my progress in a way, but learning new techniques and practicing naturally creates a quicker workflow.

@eliezerbrandao Жыл бұрын

Awesome! Thanks for sharing

@zachyula4084 Жыл бұрын

this was super informative and exactly what I needed! thank you 🙌

@MrDisrupta Жыл бұрын

Very good video mate thanks. Nice extra effort in the editing, classy products.

@IncisionSheffield Жыл бұрын

This is an excellent video and just what I needed to hear. This will change my music for sure !

@Lesserhuman Жыл бұрын

Brilliant Video, I've sat working on a track for a few hours and honestly i hear you on song fatigue! Ive gone to the point where its actually ear fatigue too. My kick was so punchy and nice at that start and then by the end it began to sound really tinny but I couldn't understand why. I saved a new version and tried to fix the issue but I just couldn't make the kick knock again so I called it a day really deflated and hating my track i'd worked so hard on. Low and behold, the next day I came in with fresh ears and opened the original track up and the kick was absolutely fine!!

@MegaMen767 Жыл бұрын

Awesome Video! Thank you❤

@Flashraize Жыл бұрын

Super-inspirational, thank you so much for this! ❤

@sevenfifteen Жыл бұрын

It is so important! My fear of failure made me a guy rarely releasing anything. It's not unusual to have years between releases. Exactly for what you described. It's starts with me enjoying my track, but then finding things that I thought problematic. Until I ended up thinking "no, it's trash". One day, I shared a few of these unreleased tracks with another guy, that I only know via social media. He didn't know what I thought of them, and I expected a confirmation of their "badness". Instead he answered enthusiastically "o my god, how do you manage to make such clean mixes". And I still couldn't hear what he heard. Under this name, sevenfifteen, I only posted a few Minecraft creator remixes. No longer than a day for each one, and in terrible quality (to my ears). Yet, I never heard anyone complain, despite their quality. Sometimes, it's better to just make it public, no matter what you think.

@michaelphase Жыл бұрын

I love this video! I feel like I've been overproducing in search of making something unique, if that makes sense. This really helped! Thank you!!

@hadihrekespercussions5512 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the help we need more of this topics , That was a really good video .

@Forwardslashhug Жыл бұрын

You are doing amazing work. Thank you so much for your tutorials.

@darrenphillips2542 Жыл бұрын

I find myself working on a track and being really happy with the progress. I then get excited to play it back the next day and continue working, only to hate it!!! This has happened so many times, but the funny thing is if I continue to listen a bit more then I get into the moment, and get over the perfectionist side of things and start enjoying it again. I have produced about 7 tracks in 3 years but I still haven't uploaded anything to Spotify yet, only Soundcloud due to feeling my music is not ready yet. Thanks for the video it helped clear up issues for me!

@kahyui2486 Жыл бұрын

I would appreciate more videos like this, recently I stopped watching tutorials so more videos like this would be good. I like hearing about peoples approach to music

@kodiwalks Жыл бұрын

this is the channel ive been looking for! Thank you!!!!

@OmarP8 Жыл бұрын

Very clever content!! 👌👌Greetings from Spain!🎉

@redshiftcomplx2652 Жыл бұрын

Thank you!! Great video

@chejoseofficialTV Жыл бұрын

Great video Alice, this will be great for some of the young producers just starting out!

@andrewmontijo9379 Жыл бұрын

Great video!! Thank you!!

@noisyshaun Жыл бұрын

So much of this even applies to work and every day life, perfectionism is the thief of creativity and spontaneity. Great advice here Alice👌

@siwaxa Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this video. ❤️

@justinking5245 Жыл бұрын

That was amazing - thank you ❤️

@arcticsound7341 Жыл бұрын

Your second point is like a light switch. I tend to listen to the same loop over and over and probably make detrimental tweaks just so I hear something different. Great tip.

@idrissekhelifi Жыл бұрын

Love your content!

@skattyopt Жыл бұрын

It's funny that I was thinking about a lot of the points you made in this video and it was inspired by rumble and its simplicity. Thanks for putting into words for me what I was trying to understand.

@jjmathewson2160 Жыл бұрын

Killer video as always Alice! Much needed

@GoneComposer Жыл бұрын

At first, I thought I was about to watch another standard 'producer pro tips' video with interesting points but nothing which stands out. In the end, it's a very passionating video with very interesting angles and perfect examples! Thank you very much, I'm very glad to subscribe to your channel and make Sonic happy :)

@Smartstartup1 Жыл бұрын

Great video! Thank you very much🙌

@ilaydamutlu4701 11 ай бұрын

I absolutely loved this video thanks a lot Alice

@screendrem Жыл бұрын

One of the best videos on mindset and production I've seen. Got em with the perfectionist call out too! 😂

@LeoGretz Жыл бұрын

I really enjoyed this. It's a human and psychological-approach to music production, which we all need but it can rarely be found anywhere. You normally just hear "don't overproduce" and that's it, but these were great explanations and examples! Felt a bit too identified haha. Keep up the good work!

@luisr1421 Жыл бұрын

This is such an amazing video! No one ever addresses this, amazing.

@jaytuc3009 Жыл бұрын

Super educational video 🙌🏽

@itsdropshop7748 Жыл бұрын

This video is incredible, what a wonderful topic and perspective.❤

@podespault Жыл бұрын

Excellent video!

@RecklessKmikaze Жыл бұрын

I needed this, thank you.

@LillianFrances Жыл бұрын

so good Alice!!! thank u!

@EdSoloUK Жыл бұрын

I heard of the 80/20 rule before but this explains it really well in a production context.

@SamJ753 5 ай бұрын

One of the best videos ive seen, super relatable!

@metaphoricalsoundeffects1400 Жыл бұрын

This video have really good advices. The one on perfectionism couldn't more true, and i think that will help me a lot cause i can tell to myself now that there is not a perfect song or art, just one that only you can create. Thanks =)

@obyybo Жыл бұрын

Great great share of insights. Thank you

@LeonardWild Жыл бұрын

Great Video! Thanks

@alinenunez4270 Жыл бұрын

Wow this is one of your bests videos ever. Thank you

@ElemuntDesign Жыл бұрын

this topic is a seriously underappreciated facet of all creative endeavours, be it filmmaking, music production, graphic design etc. time apart from the piece is one of the most important things you can do for the piece, the repetition of hearing or watching something in a vacuum can completely warp your reality of what music or a film etc should be like in the first place. what i suggest doing in all creative endeavours is to just throw ideas down as much as possible, then refine those ideas later on after some time apart.

@sonicspecter Жыл бұрын

Really good advice. Instead of overproducing and investing a lot of time in a few songs it is better to release a lot of songs with continuous improvement of the workflow and production quality. This is similar to other knowledge work like software development, where continuous iterations with small increments lead to the ultimate goal of good quality running software.