Learning to Hide the Exposition

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@isaacbatista.musica 8 жыл бұрын

Coursera here!

@phoebelim5255 5 жыл бұрын

same

@MichaelShulski 7 жыл бұрын

Here from Coursera writing class. Is anyone else?

@aveguevara 7 жыл бұрын

Me!!!

@kirilbodurov1085 3 жыл бұрын

@hannylemus8728 3 жыл бұрын

Me too!! 😂

@Vexarax 3 жыл бұрын

Your comment is super old but I want to know more about the writing class you speak of!! Was it good?? :)

@moniquedurant32 3 жыл бұрын

yes!

@CsillaBali 12 жыл бұрын

Getting your character to go from one place to the next is challenging but can be fun. I find every word on paper, whether dialogue or exposion, is always on trial.

@Spencerlholbert1 11 жыл бұрын

God I love all the online bashing and trolling that goes on. Remember, when it comes to advice: Wise men don't need it and fools won't heed it. Unfortunately, that was a form of advice...

@kenten 11 жыл бұрын

I stand in awe at the time and energy expended by those two commenters. I certainly don't have the time or interest to READ it, let alone type it all as they did. I admire their tenacity. I hope they channel that energy into their real writing.

@MuskPumpkin 9 жыл бұрын

the only thing she says here about hiding the exposition is that it's necessary, and hard to do. How anti-climatic. Actually, this segment could use a better title, IMHO.

@convolution223 7 жыл бұрын

it's clickbait

@alexispapageorgiou72 4 жыл бұрын

I hate hiding the exposition, especially concerning characters and who they're, but I'm talking screenplay, not Novel. Maybe character exposition should be a natural part of the body or not a part at all.

@nononame113 3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Offers nothing of practical use.

@fameland 10 жыл бұрын

"we're always hoping"

@ilyriamoon 13 жыл бұрын

So true! I find dialogue easy, but the exposition has me thinking a bit longer. Do I include it in the conversation? Narrative? Did I avoid an info dump? Aaargh...

@TimSmithWordSmith 5 жыл бұрын

This is golden.

@planetio2219 5 жыл бұрын

youtube should pay courier for this!

@kirilbodurov1085 3 жыл бұрын

Who's here from Coursera?

@Vexarax 3 жыл бұрын

Could you explain what it is please? I've never heard of it!

@prrrrecious 11 жыл бұрын

So true. So, so true.

@OldSkoolSP 10 жыл бұрын

The title is very misleading.

@graham6132 Жыл бұрын

"Here's an idea, for the snapshot that we use for the thumbnail, let's use one in which Atwood looks like she's giving a Hitler salute . . . "

@MOTORDRIFT 4 жыл бұрын

Alright, imma head out

@nunyabizness9787 6 жыл бұрын

She's a great writer, but I'm not sure I'd go to her to learn how to hide exposition. I'm reading Handmaid's Tale right now, and well over a hundred pages in it's ALL exposition. I'm waiting for an actual story to start. That's not a complaint; she's making the exposition very interesting and the prose is excellent and if the set-up goes on for another hundred pages I'll be fine with it... but, yeah, hiding exposition? Not her, at least not in that book.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

P1 - I actually study Geography but am simultaneously on a creative writing course (only a six month one). These courses, as well as MA creative writing courses, are endorsed by many great writers. I can tell that you don't know much about them, because they teach that there is no "proper" way. They teach that there are many valid ways (any remotely well-read person knows this) and it comes down to choosing the right technique for your piece, and filtering it through your own ideas and style.

@caitlynclinewrites 2 жыл бұрын

Coursera 2021!

@lunarludologistsstudio5196 5 жыл бұрын

Hi From Coursera

@15clank Жыл бұрын

Gotta say love the thumbnail picture

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

P3of12-Concede the point for once in your life - continually dodging admitting you’re wrong is just dragging this thing out more. To say ‘a clerk knows a lot about music, but would you want to hear his stuff?’ obviously implies ‘would you want to hear his music?’ - because ‘have you heard their stuff?’ almost always means ‘have you heard their music?’(I disproved why the LOGICAL interpretation of this metaphor is inaccurate).

@trenzinhodaalegria8012 7 жыл бұрын

Is it possible to have a story with no exposition?

@aragornthebrave 6 жыл бұрын

Trenzinho da Alegria no, unless you want a story with no characters, places or events. It is possible, but would probably be a sub-genre.

@markparkinson6947 3 жыл бұрын

Does anyone else think that Margaret Atwood in the thumbnail looks like she is doing the Nazi salute?

@Pandabee11 3 жыл бұрын

No, as she hasn’t held her index finger horizontally under her nose.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

P2of12-How exactly was I - or anyone - supposed to interpret ‘his stuff’ as ‘his teaching’? That is an illogical step to make. The logical step is to interpret ‘his stuff’ as ‘his creative work - his MUSIC’. When someone says, ‘have you read any of their stuff?’, what are they talking about? Their WRITING. When someone says, ‘have you heard any of their stuff?’, what are they talking about? Their MUSIC.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

3of7-I get metaphor, and I understand the point you were trying to make. It was just very clumsily done. Sorry if you can’t come to terms with that. Apparently you need everything spoon-fed to you: it’s inaccurate because store clerks don’t understand the technical aspect of playing music, whereas creative writing students do/should understand the technical aspects of creating writing. It’s insultingly simple. Does it mean all of them will be good or great writers? This leads me on to...

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

P8of11- The logical connection of 'his stuff' is 'his music', because, as I've spoon-fed to you several times now, that's what we think of when someone says, 'have listened to their stuff?' You said, 'but would you want to hear his stuff?' Same thing. See how it's unclear - and bad? You won't renege on anything though. Sincerely: this attitude will be a big problem for the rest of your life if you don’t change it.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

P2of2-Anyway, the last part of my previous message was sincere. Read part 4 and see why your opinion on the “ego-strokers” is narrow-minded. If you want to respond to this, respond with specifics as to how any of my arguments are incorrect. You’re not really getting anywhere with the continual, unfounded lying accusations and cringingly bad attempts at Geography-related humour. You call me the angry one, yet I tried to tie this up by wishing you good luck before. You’re the angry one, kid.

@rachelgooden9981 3 жыл бұрын

coursera

@olayemialabi3717 2 жыл бұрын

Same here

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

P3- Also, you do realise that Atwood majored in English? Either she did focus on the creative writing aspect of that course, in which case she conformed to the very thing you lauded her for not doing (the study of how to do things "the proper way", as you incorrectly called it). Or there wasn't any opportunity for that, in which case, it DIDN'T "exist then". And why would you credit someone for not doing something they couldn't physically do? Whichever the case is, your stance is pretty silly.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

P7of12-What’s hilarious is that you totally failed to realise that I used your sarcasm against you. By saying ‘glad you admit you’re wrong’ I’m taking your sarcastic comment and calling it wrong because, technically, it is wrong. Think of it as a jab in debating terms. That said, it is still absolutely true that there isn’t this “proper way” that you kept droning about.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

P10of11-I noted several disgruntled comments on your feed when I glanced at your page. Arguments over the net aren’t uncommon for you - they are for me. You stick to this bullshit, and I’ll take care of the actual writing. Leave it to the people who can actually work out how to string a coherent metaphor together. Leave it to the people who aren’t insanely blinkered and narrow-minded.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

P1of11-I’m talking about good creative writing courses, not the “couple o’ ways to use symbolism” bullshit you participated in. If 45% happen to be competent upon starting, why is it such a reach to say that 35% will become good writers? Not great, not big-time award-winning material - just plain good writers. We know it’s possible that they can make the transition with teaching and dedication.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

P2of5-I didn’t dispute that you can't teach talent. I disputed all of the others things you were wrong about. Precisely why am I wrong about the analogy being inaccurate (I have explained PRECISELY why it was clumsy - your only argument is that I “didn’t get it”. Haha. Terrible debating and a clear attempt at obfuscation. Seen it a thousand times). Precisely why am I wrong about the the competent-to-good writer argument, outlined in part 4 of 7, disproving the “99% ego strokers”?

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

P9of12-There is nothing wrong with being merely a good writer, as opposed to a great one. Some good writers make a very good living from selling fiction - I really enjoy the work of a lot of good writers. I’m not denying that there are some time-wasters and ego strokers. Sure there are - especially at undergraduate. But your haughty 99% statistic is obviously ridiculous.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

P3of12-We do not want to hear his music - ‘his stuff’ because he does not know the technical elements of playing music. This does not align with creative writing students, because they understand the technical elements of creative writing. I would argue the overwhelmingly more likely possibility is that you realised your metaphor was poor, and are now trying to obfuscate your point by suggesting that, by ‘his stuff’, you actually meant ‘his teaching’ - his ability to ‘give the gift of talent’.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

P1of12-I wasn’t applying any harsh degree of literalness on that shitty metaphor - just a standard degree. With your explanation, you have further reinforced why it is so poor: you initially used the phrase ‘would you want to hear his stuff?’; you are NOW trying to suggest that this ‘his stuff’ is ‘his teaching’. This means one of two things: 1) this was your original intention all along, in which case, the metaphor is still poor.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

P7of12-What I said about the degrees of writing DOES expose how your point about 99% of creative writing students are ego-strokers/time-wasters is wrong. There are so many competent writers taking these courses. With the help provided on creative writing courses, many of them will become good writers. How is a competent writer endeavouring to become a good writer - and achieving it - an ego stroker? Let’s come up with a fair approximation.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

P8of12-Let’s say 45% are competent writers on starting, and of that 45%, 35% end up being considered good writers by reasonable writerly opinion (because of the help and information provided on the course, combined with their own commitment). I think these approximations are relatively fair; are the 35% who go from competent to good simply time-wasters and ego strokers? Of course they’re not - this is why your opinion is stupid. If you think these stats are inaccurate, tell me yours.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

P1of1- I need Tim Lott to justify writing? What? Your comments are pure comedy. I was citing him as an example of a great writer who, recently, highly recommended six month creative writing courses. I could have mentioned McEwan. Clearly you have no proper rebuttal for this (like most of my points), so instead you - childishly - started babbling about him putting bags on heads. Hey, why don’t you tell us about that funny store clerk analogy again? Forget fiction; you should give stand-up a go!

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

P9of12-Address this point: is the competent writer trying to become good - which they can do with hard work and help - a time-waster? Do you know how many people exist who fall into this category? What exactly is wrong with being a good writer, rather than a great one?

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

P4of12-This is very obviously not a clear connection - it’s an absolute reach - and, if this was a point you were trying to make in a book, any publisher worth their salt would tell you to change that horseshit or take it out. Secondly, If you’re going to tell me that I write like a Geographer - even if you are making a joke - in order for it to make sense, or for that joke to be funny, FIRST OF ALL you need to be correct about academic Geographic conventions.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

5of12-You overstate and embellish the point, but I can see where you’re coming from, on principle at least. For example, avant-garde in its hey-day of the 60’s and 70’s and was really enjoyable; these days, it’s extremely academic, cloistered and basically written for critics and PhD students. This obviously isn’t a good thing.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

P6of12-You are constantly mocking my back-up plan by trying to create cringe-worthy jokes about it every other comment - hell, these jokes were the crux of what you were saying half the time. The inference here - something you failed to notice, it seems - is that you are criticising me for having a back-up plan. Maybe you’re not, but this is the impression I get.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

I'd like to point out to anyone reading this that I realise everyone is entitled to their opinion. I was simply keen to point out that his opinion was idiotic, because he was lauding the fact that Atwood didn't do a course that wasn't even available to her. He's a pretty funny guy like that.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

P12of12-The analogy thing is less important but it is blatantly obvious that it’s a poor metaphor, and I think you realise that now. If you concede on that too then you will have earnt my respect to some degree.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

Most people waste time on things every day. Who gives a damn if this was my preferred means for a few days? To be honest, I do regret lowering myself to his level. Normally, once I get involved in a back-and-forth on here, I make my points and stop responding. My stubbornness got the better of me here (because he was so especially irritating).

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

p2of2-Appreciate you admitting defeat. The classic 'can't be bothered to read seven paragraphs despite being a writer' is the most blatant of white flags. I knew you wouldn't have a rebuttal - I think my arguments are pretty impervious. But, hey, we've all lost debates. I do think you should read part 4 for own sake. Your opinion is narrow-minded and potentially offensive. Not trying to be a dick; I really think you'd benefit from it. With that said, good luck with the writing and your career.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

P2- Your analogy about the clerk playing music is so inappropriate it's laughable. If the clerk doesn't understand the technical element of playing music (which I presume he doesn't in this case - I'm talking playing chords, strumming, etc.), then obviously we can't expect him to create good music. But students on good creative writing programs are being exposed to an array of technical elements. We're learning to understand and apply them in a catalog of ways. This is why your analogy is wrong.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

P10of12-I didn’t even factor in the percentages of good or great writers that start the course, or the rare 1% who are absolutely brilliant. But no, none of this exists in your mind. It’s just ‘TALENT OR NOT TALENT AND 1% GOT TALENT”. Absolutely, shockingly stupid. I’m sure you’ll start obfuscating this now as well.

@AlexanderMccarthey87 6 жыл бұрын

This stuff is hard for her, but not for everyone. In fact, it comes easy to a lot of people.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

P2of3- I write like a geographer? You’ve never seen my creative writing, so we’ll add that to your growing list of laughable/unsubstantiated claims. I was writing creatively before I had any interest in geography, but I wanted a solid degree to fall back on. You know Ned Beauman (one of literature’s great up-and-comers - you probably haven’t heard of him; you don’t seem to know much)? He did Philosophy at Cambridge - why don’t you go and tell him to stop writing like a philosopher!

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

(Final)1of5-God, is this still not over? It reminds me of when you’re nearly done with the washing up and somebody brings in a load more plates covered in baked bean juice. This whole thing is boring me now, and although you clearly have nothing better to do with your time than squabble on KZfaq, I do.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

9of12-Finally, where are the numbers I asked you for? Where are your approximations of competent writers who join creative writing classes and become good writers? Also, what are your approximations for the amount of alright writers that join the course and become competent? What is the rough percentage of good writers who start one of these courses? And great? Dodging it again, huh? Just as I expected.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

P1of2- I explained the first time round - perfectly - why your metaphor was clumsy. I said exactly the same thing about the clerk not knowing the technical elements, whereas the creative writing student does. It wasn't an accurate metaphor. You can't justify that it is. Stop playing dumb. I would have more respect for you if you conceded the point.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

P6of11-This is why every single counter of yours has been disproven and shut down. You can harp on along as you want about how I’ve “disproven NOTHING”. Comments like that are meaningless when you can’t even back them up. In fact, when you said that in the last comment, instead of telling me WHAT I failed to disprove and HOW, you immediately moved on to calling me a troll. What kind of debating is that? You’re a bad debater, possibly an even shittier writer.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

P10of12-You accused me of overlooking humour, but in actual fact, you’re the one who did that. By telling you to tell us about the store clerk thing again, I was obviously just clowning you for coming up with a bad metaphor. Another jab. What did you want me to admit to lying about? I was criticising your shockingly awful geography gags - like the one about Map Quest and fantasy land. I’m not sure exactly what you want to admit me to lying about. If I did lie about anything, I will admit it.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

P11of12-Also, you’re the impressionist painter and the people on creative writing courses are fingerpainters? Forgive me for bursting into hysterics. What blinding, illogical arrogance. Also, “people who dedicate their lives to it”? Plenty of people on these courses do dedicate their life to it - it’s an extension of their dedication! Oh, and yes, I can tell that you’re a “writer” and not a debater. Nice trick with the whole “literal” thing, though.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

2of7-You concede that you know nothing about Geography, yet you attempted make a joke regarding what you believed to be academic Geography conventions. That’s clearly idiotic. Because your observations were completely wrong, the “joke” was inevitably redundant and devoid of humour. Thus, the joke failed. You say it was because I failed to understand your metaphor, but clearly I did. I dismantled it and proved it to be inaccurate, so I clearly have a more astute concept of metaphor than you.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

P3of3- Clearly your academic Geography knowledge is laughable too. How is Geography nitpicking? How is Geography only regarding things which are explicitly stated? Did you know that it is reliant on inference and conjecture? How was I to know that “you write like a Geographer” was regarding my argument style when all of your observations were - once again - so hilariously wrong? And even if it was true of Geography, they'd still be wrong. How many more times do I need to embarrass you?

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

P5of12-You were not correct about these, as I proved, and so the joke was not funny (you were wrong about the nitpicking and the explicitly stated thing, and whatever else you whined about). It was a shitty, lame joke - this is my point. It’s insultingly simple and you still can’t wrap your mind around it. Also, you accuse me of being overly literal, but actually, you seem to be guilty of it.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

P11of12-I appreciate the effort you’ve made in trying to defend your points, but, as I believe the evidence in the other comments shows, you have still failed to substantiate anything (I will renege on calling you pathetic, though). Also, you did not address the 99% ego-stroker thing, which I think is your most volatile and ill-informed point. If you could concede on that point, that would be some progress.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

3of12-Of course, if we take this view, then the analogy is still poor, because of the whole “clerk not being able to understand technical elements of playing music, whereas writers get the technical elements” argument I’ve explained previously. With regard to your intended meaning: there is nothing suggestive of teaching in the analogy - it’s almost too cryptic for poetry, and this is a fucking debate.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

P3of3- You’re a writer? That’s shocking given your ill thought-out analogy/claims. I doubt you’re any good. Six month creative writing courses were recently recommended by the Whitbread-winning Tim Lott in his Guardian chat. By the way, I’m majoring in a two year course on “How to be a Dalai Lama”. They only teach you one way of being the Dalai Lama but I’m going to waste two years on it anyway.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

8of12-Haha. You criticise me for using “retarded” as a pejorative (totally justified, by the way), and yet you use the pejorative “blockhead”? Are you actually being serious? Blockhead? Are you trying to offend me or make me laugh?

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

3of5-Instead, you dodged every point in a 13-part response and made up an inane story which couldn’t run for 60 words without resorting to a cliché. But I’m the scared little girl? I’m the one without talent? Okay, Captain 1%. Okay. I now finally realise that I’ll never make any impression on your state of mind without a cranial drill. I officially give up on helping you. So, don’t bother replying - your message will be deleted from my inbox, unread. I have no reason to check this page again.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

3of4-As for Tarot Cards… well, kid, I’m not even going to pick that scab. Also, nine comments? And now an extra five? It was doomed to be awful and unfunny after you brought up ‘bloomers’ (ten year old humour - fantastic!). Your policy on writing seems to be that if you beat a dead horse vigorously enough its twitching and juddering will at least portray a semblance of life. I’d say that I’m sure daddy taught you better, but I don’t want to flippant. Because I care. You know I do.

@aveguevara 7 жыл бұрын

She does not speak clearly. It takes work to understand her. She shares valuable points though.

@finze1 5 жыл бұрын

You need patience to learn anything of substance, just like with writing.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

2of12-If you’re talking about listening to them PLAYING MUSIC, then any logical person reading this analogy will equate that with CREATING WRITING. Not TEACHERS TEACHING. As a result, the logical interpretation becomes that these “ego stroking creative writing students” “know their shit” about writing, but they lack “talent”, so would you want to read their writing? The LOGICAL interpretation of your argument is that these “talentless ego strokers” are corrupting the art.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

4of5-You stick to working out - and failing - how to be humorous with your little KZfaq stories, that are about as plausible as an episode of SpongeBob SquarePants, but not half as well thought-out or executed. You stick to ramming your “arguments” with so much obfuscatory bullshit that there’s barely any space left for vowels and consonants. You stick to saying that you’re in the “1%” even though it's impossible for anyone smarter than a meat-and-ale pie not to look down on you.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

7of12-I’ll spoon-feed again: you said I wrote like a Geographer, I asked you how, you responded with what you believed to be academic geography conventions (nitpicking; explicitly stated), and you were WRONG about those conventions. This is why the joke wasn’t funny. Your observations were incorrect. Thus, the joke was redundant. Childishly simple.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

Holy hell. I've only just noticed the extra SIX comments in this story. I'm sorry, but I am not reading them. You already lost me at the cliched joke. Nice use of the breeze-blown curtains though to make it seem vaguely more plausible than - say - Pete's Dragon. Here's a philosophical poser for you: if a tree falls in the forest and only MckyMseNTarotCrds is there to see it, does it make a sound?

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

6of12-As for the Geography joke, you tried to justify it by referring to my style as nitpicking and only comprehending things which were explicitly states. THIS WAS YOUR OWN JUTIFICATION. I proved why these elements are not remotely true of Geography - and that’s why your joke sucked: your observations were totally wrong.

@AlexanderMccarthey87 6 жыл бұрын

Keep in mind, this woman is amazing at developing concepts and world building. That's where she excels, and she's amazing at it, but she's a terrible writer. Her grammar is horrific. Her writing does not flow. She doesn't known how to write a plot. Don't learn to write from her. Learn about the world from her, and use that knowledge to write a good story.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

P8of12-You keep banging on about “talent”, and by doing that, it’s quite clear that you’ve totally failed to understand that there are LEVELS IN WRITING. You have bad writers - no-hopers. You have alright writers. You have competent writers. You have good writers. You have great writers. You have John Updike. By saying “99%” are time-wasters and ego-strokers you being INCREDIBLY narrow-minded and arrogant.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

4of12-You can explain what you were TRYING to convey until the cows come home but that doesn’t change the fact that the metaphor is a poor one which fails to get your point across. My initial grievance was that your analogy was just plain dumb. When you eventually tried to explain it, my grievance became that it was totally unclear. I’m not trying to dispute your INTENDED point about how academia can have a negative impact on the art.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

10of12-You cannot give me any approximations without revealing how flawed your argument is. I’ll say it again: the point I have most of an issue with is your absolutely stupid claim that says 99% of creative writing students are time-wasters and ego strokers. It is mainly your refusal to renege on that which has forced me into continuing this.

@Cybrus07 11 жыл бұрын

2of3-I’m glad this has come out because, finally, I realise why you’re like you are. THIS is why you waste your time making up inane, purposeless, irrelevant stories on the internet about bloomers and queers and dogs and… DVDs. What a gripping account of sod all squared. You’ve really let your imagination run wild here, huh, boy? Where’s the accompanying Roger Hargreaves illustrations and Lewis Carol byline?