Thank you! I would not want to mount the Tonal to location I was not dedicated to long-term either. The Speediance could be a great option and if you decide to get it, I hope you love it!

Yeah, it is amazing how much money is saves you compared to the Tonal.

Awesome! Thank you so much for that. Always good to hear what I put out there is accurate as I never want to unintentionally mislead people. So glad to hear it is working out well for you!

I’m really interested to get Speediance but I’m very curious about how squats work for speediance since there is no place to rest the barbell. Doing squats is my main workout routine and I want to make sure I can comfortably doing squats 😊

How long it take to be shipped ?

@@carlonalls About 6-7 weeks

@@unauni1700 you don’t really need to rest the bar because the weight is off until you are in position and turn it on.

Great feedback and hopefully this helps others. I wanted to provide the monthly price because I believe that is the long term plan but you are spot on about this being a great deal if you lock in the free membership now. As far as switching, I love the alternative view and hopefully this helps others. I still prefer Tonal but it is very close and I don’t mind d Speediance at all.

Check out the full review here! Tonal is awesome, but Speediance is holding its own and constantly getting better (Frequent software updates). kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Ztpxl9mpyJabgas.html

They are rough and stacking them with the Peloton subscription is hard to stomach. Fun setup, but expensive. So glad to hear the video was helpful! Thank you so much for the kind words!

@@Learnwithtravis For sure, I live not far from a Planet fitness (eh) but a monthly fee there plus access to so much more, these things are not even worth it at all. In no way what so ever tbh.

It is all situational. If you have a local option that could very well be the much better option for you. But what if you don't? Live out of town? Have little kids where you can't hop out whenever you want? Demanding job? I am not saying the Tonal or Speediance is 100 percent the right decision. I am saying either could be depending on your life situation.

Exactly. We've had our tonal for 4 months now and im glad we got it.

Oh, I hear you! When I got my Tonal, I think the cost was almost half what it is today. It is still great, but when I look at all these other options…

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It is nice that you can move it around as need be.

Thank you! It is a great machine and if I forgot the price difference I would pick it too. Knowing how much you can save as a new purchase with Speediance makes it a hard decision!

Yeah, I think my Tonal was almost half what they are today. Just crazy. Your comment is spot on. You will not be disappointed with the Tonal product but you will probably consider Speediance the better value when you factor in cost.

Yeah, it feels like they have decided to stay in the higher income customer space and not make it more viable for other customers. That is their choice but disappointing for me as I do like the product and wish they would make it available to more people. If they don't change, I do think Speediance has a chance to take over the market. It is a great product as well but so much more affordable. Will be interesting to see how things play out!

700 a year for subscription only that's nuts... is it possible to use without subscription?

Thank you so much! Tonal No Subscription - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hbeUlNmLmqmZcnU.html Speediance (No Monthly Fee) - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Ztpxl9mpyJabgas.html

My pleasure. Honestly, I feel it is pretty sturdy. The screens hands and moves a little when you use it, but that is by design. I have never felt it was poor build quality or lesser components. As far as the tricep pulldowns, that is just how I do them. I tend to learn over a little, engage my core, and try to pull back into me. Or at least when in a position like that. With the Tonal I pull more down instead of in, but I still lean over and engage my core.

All good points!

Echelon is $5k though

Thank you so much! I really bounced around the different modes as I was testing so I could have overlooked it, but I do not remember it doing that.

Agree! Hopefully it pushes to a more affordable pricing model.

I agree! Speediance has a chance to really take over this market because of their pricing model compared to Tonal.

Have not tested that one. Hope you are liking the HandyGym!

Sounds good! I will work towards getting that video around.

@@Learnwithtravis thanks 🤗

As far as I can tell, there is no ability to cancel. Everyone just has everything turned on right now. However, the product page has a checklist of what it says will and won't be included with a canceled subscription. Included is the movement library, free lift mode, strength assessment, special weight modes, and Spotter mode. Access to the various pre programmed workouts is limited (My guess would be all the workouts labeled as Beginner would be accessible, and the Intermediate and Advanced ones turned off). "Program", smart recommendations, and live workouts (if they start those) will be inaccessible. I'm not quite sure what they mean by program. It could be the multi-week programs you can select, or the ability to create a custom workout by selecting a series of workouts to do in a row. From what I can tell, both will let you set a weight and use it. But Speediance let's you keep access to special weight modes (like chains vs regular), it has the spotter safety feature that I believe Tonal doesn't have, and let's you see the full library of movements to reference and, if my assumption is right, access to the beginner level workouts. The biggest surprise to me is still allowing access to the special weight modes. But that's all theoretical since we can't test it out, and if they're going to grandfather everyone into the subscription, they may very well change that checklist one subscriptions go live.

Last a knew!

That is one way to look at it. While I don't agree with the price, a lot of functionality subscription-based devices provide, and on-going improvements comes at a cost. If you don't want a "smart" gym option, get a rack system that is what it is. Nothing wrong with that at all and they are great options. But "Smart" does have a cost to maintain.

It is a great machine

I reached out to them and right now, everyone has the full me membership for free. They don't have immediate plans to start charging subscriptions and with that, have no ability to turn mine off. If you are interested, I would consider getting one while they are offering a lifetime membership. But when things change, I will get a video out there showing what it is like without a membership.

Thank you! You know, I honestly don't think either has this mode, but it would be really neat. My best advise would be send both a message via support and ask if that is a feature they may implement in the future. It is all software so they could easily do it.

Good suggestion - appreciate the response!@@Learnwithtravis

Tonal has always had a burnout mode. If you change the rep goal for your sets it’s a pyramid or reverse pyramid. Reps go up, weight goes down or vice versa. Burnout mode is the ultimate drop set

It does seem to be very long-lasting high-quality machine.

They said they are going to send me one. As soon as it gets here!

Some of that depends on what they do. Ideally, they do the right thing and unlock it while making existing content available. But worse case is likely you get the current non-subscriber functionality which allows you to use the machine but with very limited features.

Tonal - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hbeUlNmLmqmZcnU.html Speediance - I think it is free for all right now, but if they have have a free vs paid, i will look into that!

Definitely high.

Yeah, that price difference is huge. I will try to revisit this a little down the road.

Hello! With the Speediance, you have a few obstacles that I think may be a bit challenging. First, is the matt itself. It is thick and you need to be in different positions depending on what you are doing. I have a feeling a wheelchair would be difficult. Second, when the resistance is below you it only has one position and that is right on the sides of the mat. I don't think you would be able to get the cables to move freely. With Tonal's ability to move the resistance points all around, I that that would be a huge help to make lots of exercises work. My gut says the Gym Monster would be challenging. Hope that helps!

Thank you so much for responding to my questions. I sincerely appreciate it. I’ve been asking the same questions of gym monsters, customer service for days now none of their attempted answers even came close to my question and it took them days to respond. I really wish I could use their machine, but I was very worried about the platform and having to ship the machine back at my cost according to their customer service if it didn’t work, I ended up going with a tonal even though I wish I could’ve went with the cheaper option and the lifetime membership currently offered by gym Monster I think I will be very happy with my decision. I just wish I didn’t have to pay the expensive membership as I am sure I will be able to use the classes very little. however, I did watch your other video on the ridiculous amount of functionality you lose canceling the membership, so I feel like that isn’t an option thank you for giving me your opinion and helping me make a clear decision you have definitely earned a subscriber.

I am also going to try and make a video review on the tonal from a wheelchair users perspective as I think that would be helpful for people in my situation

@@aland678 I wish you could use the Speediance too. I think they are a smaller upstart and still figuring some things out (customer service), but unfortunately that design is unlikely to work well from a wheelchair. So very glad to help out and hope the Tonal works out great for you. It is really expensive but it is a great machine and should last you a long time. Great idea on the video! I am sure that would help a lot of people!

Maybe. I need to play with it a bit more. Everything disconnected and I thought it was bluetooth but the batteries all died. I was surprised at how quickly they died but as soon as I put new batteries in me handles started working (not bluetooth). I have not worked on the barbell adapter since and I need to play with that to see if it was battery or bluetooth but hoping it was battery like the others.

Bluetooth issues has been resolved. It now comes with a ring that both activates and changes the weight right at your fingertips (literally). The connection has proven stable for me and countless other users I interact with online. The older "Smart Accessories" have had some issues for sure, but they aren't even available anymore, they pulled them and instituted the ring for all new Speediance packages.

Great to know! I will have to look into that!

Yeah, the price increases really caught me off-guard as well. I bought it at the original price and could not believe how much in climbed.

I wish I could! Honestly, emailing them and saying you are waiting for a review from Learn With Travis could really go a long way. I would love to review and compare Oxefit against Tonal and Speediance.

Can’t completely agree with that. I get where you are coming from and there are plenty of reasons a functional trainer would be more than enough for people. There are other reasons to still consider these options. Compact, personal trainer, great at teaching you new lifts (no to lifting), ease of use, smart resistance modes, and spotter mode.

@@Learnwithtravis Fair enough. I can't (or, at least, shouldn't) pretend my preferences should be universal. Still, the "personal trainer" and spotter mode and all that just seem like gimmicks to me. And how long will these things last?

@@richardmather1906The so-called eccentric mode of these devices is not a gimmick, but a complete game-changer. Not possible with free weights or traditional machines. The amount of extra pump you get is incredible, and you will get faster and better results.

The biggest problem with Tonal is the price. If you could find one at a steal, I would argue the opposite.

Thank you! That was the exercise I missed the most. I wish they had an accessory as well. Maybe some day. If you do get it, I hope it works out great for you. Moving it around is surprisingly easy.