Anyone have experience of Free P4 rusting ?

Thank you for the very honest review. I have a Roxon Phantom that I purchased with not much expectations, but now after 8 months I can say that it helped me a lot, even with some tasks that I was almost sure gonna prube to be too hard for the tool, but it keeps surviving only needing some sharpening now and then.

I did enjoy and this is why. I almost stopped in the beginning mainly because I’m not available within my family is and I’m trying to learn about the tool. You explained your use of the tools and your likes or dislike in a understanding way I liked.

Thanks for the great review. I bought the P2 the week it came out and I really like it for one handed use. I swapped the blade and the scissors so I can open it left handed and I use this thing every day! Also, so many people complained that the P2 came with a pocket clip that the p4 now comes standard with the clip.

Thanks this was informative

Thank you for putting my P4 obsession to rest. I needed to hear someone else saying what I have been thinking about this tool. I keep telling myself that the one-handed operation is cool but, guess what, I have two hands.

Thanks for a well done review. I totally agree with you...

Thanks for your honest review! Looking at getting a P4 after having pliers stiffing issues with my P2. I guess its better to settle with what i've got rather than getting another one with potentialy having the same issues.

If you buy the RAE Gear sheath. The Leatherman Surge is a pleasure to carry! I barely notice it on my hip! I'm a mechanic so I bought the non magnetic sheath for obvious reasons and I LOVE IT!!!! I am so glad I watched your video! I was going to buy the P4 today and now I am going to save my money!!!

Thanks for your opinions.

This just honestly answered exactly what I wanted to know, and presumed. Surge.

Quick summary: "My porridge is too cold and I hate everything."

Tool looks brand new. If it’s a 1 yr review it’s not had much use. I got my first leatherman approx 35 yrs ago, have had many different brands over the yrs, always go back to leatherman. IMO they are the best by far for those who really use them hard. Thanks for the review.

Hi, I just got the other day the P2, I've paid only £75 in the UK. A big outdoors retailer made me discount because it was the very last one they've had. It didn't have the sheath and box though, but regular price is above £120. I'm a truck driver and have few more multi-tools but wanted a fidgety one😁 With my work I don't push it too hard so I think it should hold up fine. It was good to see what to expect, thank you. Cheers 👍

My last few years as a mechanic, before I retired, Snap On tools started putting their name on some gimmicky stuff and some downright cheap tools...what a shame. 140 bucks for any multi tool seems a little crazy to me. It's kinda neat from the aspect of the magnetic closing and I think this idea is here to stay. I'm hesitant to say too much bad about it because I think the company has integrity, and I love my modified wave, and the "original" pst was ground breaking and still an excellent multi tool. Thanks for the honest review

I definitely think this new design has potential, im using the Free P4 for my day to day stuff, mostly light duty stuff. I use my Surge at work because it'll take the abuse. It would be cool to see some of this tech from the free series used in something robust like the Surge. This is all just my humble opinion of course.

Tip I learned from Crimson Guitars: every single leatherman is as free as the P4 and P2 if you loosen the screws and lube everything up. If needing to open the tool with 1 hand is super important, then buy the tool with the tools you need and then just loosen it, lube it up, bam. One-handed tool with everything you need.

I have the Victorianox Spirit. Fabulous fit and finish.

I had debated the P4 vs the wave plus or surge last week. Ended up going with the Wave+ and plan to make the “mini surge” Glad I didn’t get the P4 now. Need to find a good pocket clip now.

One thing where the wood saw is very helpful is cutting wallboard. If you are needing to cut a hole quickly, this thing can get the job done.

8:50 that's a "package opener". It's pretty useful when you don't want to destroy what's inside or chip your blades when aggressively slashing thick plastics or tape.

Nice video man.

I’m curious as to what your opinions on this tool were when you ordered it. You knew every tool that it had. Did you think the multiple flat head drivers and baby file/ruler was a good idea at the time and regretted it over the year? I personally hate the free series tools. Almost bought one on many different occasions but each time I handled the display at the store I cringed. I owned a wave at one point but it broke so now I main a leatherman rebar. I’m also currently testing out a gerber centerdrive and I actually prefer it to any leatherman to my surprise.

I literally NEVER watch stuff like this, but bravo and well done to the producer. I will follow him. This was Intelligent, informative and provided the information I needed with nothing extra. I bought myself the Free P4 and gave the Surge as gifts and now wonder why. I also wonder why Leatherman doesn’t replace at least give the option of replacing one or more of those utterly useless multiple flathead bits with a driver bit. I am familiar with the design philosophy of “just more things to lose,“ but shouldn’t that be MY choice?

It would be an interesting if Leatherman made their tools piece meal so that you could pick and choose which tools you want/need on your tool. Because it seems that they have a lot of hits on different tools, but rarely combine them on a single tool. Since most ppl can and will disassemble, why not allow someone to put their own useful tools on....

I bought mine on 04/19 and it’s gunked up on me as all leatherman multitools do but still this is one of the best tools out of all

9:01 you said it! It's 2022! Still don't need a can opener very much. Give us the windman package opener

If edc i use p4, camping use charge tti, at home and work i use surge, all i like, thanks review

I've been using my p4 everyday at work. It's one of the best tool purchases I've made. I do facility maintenence and home repair. Every tool on the p4 has a use in my line of work and been used a lot. The flat heads are used every time I have an electrical job. The saw when I gotta patch drywall. The file when I deburr copper pipe or conduit. The one handed opening for when my other hand is holding something up or against. Or to just play with like a butterfly knife. To me it sounds like you have too much tool for your needs. The tool has no flaws in my 2 years of use.

SURGE AND WAVE IS KING GOOD REVIEW MAN

Great vlog, from a multitool obsessive. I was wanting to add a sog s66 powerassist to my collection but they are expensive (compared to us)in the UK and in short supply.

Hola Joe es buena la free P4 la eh usado un año sin problemas gracias por el video 😊👍

I just received one, made 10-22, i hope itll hold up 🤷 my sidekick has been in my pocket since 2016. I needed one that the tools locked open

They could have used the same toolset of the Wave+ and make it a one hand operating tool. It's okay to have a smaller footprint to make it fit as long as the quality is exactly the same.

*THE SURGE STILL REIGNS SURPREME KING OF KINGS!!!!2022 🤙🤙🤙👍👍👍*

If only the Free P4 was a ... not a P4. As for many, I saw various videos, heard the comments. Clearly the fan boys were opening up the box and saying Wow. Automatic response. The serious users had distinct form and function problem. Despite some compliments, too. But I could not resist the shinning. Jack Nicholson holding up that glittery P4, and looking for me. Mantoys are great when they are great. Most are fun and we sometimes get genuine good use from them. Surge, SwissTool, Wave, Charge Tti, Rebar, SuperTool, even the LM OHT, have all given great satisfaction. Despite some distinct lacks, like no awl on the Wave, which makes it poor for a bushcrafter. Even the Wingman and Sidekick are fantastic light-duty urban carry--stress on light. To regret buying a Leatherman model, much like I regret buying the Gerbil CenterDrive with shattering cutters and rolling blade edge and snapping nailpry--that is a crime. May this be a one-time blunder. Expensive is one thing, if I can still say "Great tool!" My SwissTool Spirits were indeed expensive. But my first SwissTool is 22 years old and in great shape. So I can say, lots of shekels up front. But it is a first class tool AND mantoy to play with. Not so the P4. I hate the thin little tools. And my metric ruler, a potentially fine small depth gauge and fastener measure is all chopped up and unreadable. 96% of the world is metric. Even many scientific and technical skills in America require some metricity. Crappy engineering should have been subject to serious beta testing loooong before getting approval. Sloppy business practice. The little tools are mostly embarrassing. But that freezing, stiff pliers head, advertised as "the best Leatherman pliers ever," is inexcusable folly. So, just like a Gerber CenterDrive, many of us are saying, "Great idea--poor execution and overpriced." Many thanks for the one-year review follow-up. I refer friends to your review even they falter and lean toward the shinning. Buy a Victorinox scout knife and a small Vise Grip. The P4 is around 180 dollars worth of shekels here. I anticipate uneven quality among Gerber multitools. They often fulfill my expectations. Leatherman was never Victorinox in fit and finish, but was fairly consistent and very functional. Good in the hand. And the Surge remains my bushcrafter gem. I love it. The P4 can open one-hand. And ok the blade is good. After that, if I have my American idiom down, crickets. My own fault. I have a kit with an old British Army clasp knife and a small needle nose Vise Grip. My first resort turtle rescue tools. It turns circle around the P4. Whose one handed opening, I had hoped, would be a big improvement for my beach walks as a mini rescue kit. Untangling, hook cutting, plastic strap cutting etc. Tim Leatherman has a long history of innovation, quality, customer service, and genuinely useful tools. I trust that a bright fellow come up the hard way with a grand idea has learned from the Free series flaws and mediocrity. He is entitled to a few goofs. Again, thanks! Good job.

Yes, weird about all the flatheads on it. Also weird that one of their flagship premium offerings doesn’t have an option of black oxide finish like so many of their other top end multi tools do. I think a lot of people would go for that. Maybe they’ll have a version 2 of this tool that’s more robust and addresses a lot of the common complaints.

I bought this and liked it at first but ended up going back to my Leatherman Signal Black & Silver because I liked the idea of having a survival multitool in case I ever get stranded anywhere, urban or wilderness. The Free P4 is really nice but like you said, all those useless tools, all those multiple flatheads. What were they thinking? Haha.

Would be nice to see leatherman offer custom options for individuals, make to order. For example the option of adding different tools such as a dual blade combined with a saw/ file, scissors and a Phillips driver externally. The 3 I own and use the most are OHT, Surge and supertool 300. But I dislike tools that open internally.

Thanks. Nice honest review. One of the few mentioning negatives. Even on rebar file is too small to be useful and pliers are good for some applications and bad for others like cutting steel wire.

I use a rust block (vapor deposition ) when I get a new Leatherman. First I clean off any oil from the factory, let it dry and then put it in a ziplock bag with the rust blocker…. I think it’s called ZeroRust, from Woodcraft but sold many places. I do that once a year and have not had one rust yet.

I hope Leatherman listens to reviewers and their customers an makes the next free series(if they keep it)and make some better designs cause I have it and I swapped out the Phillips head and tool next to it and put in the bit exchanger adapter and now can use the ratchet adapter and the bit kit with mine and it’s much more handy to use for everyday stuff hehe

I paid $131 new for a P4 Free on EBay. I also bought a new Wave + on EBay for $79.95 plus shipping $5.95 plus tax for a total of $91 I like the P4 Free and I purchased a stainless magnetic insert for the Phillips that will accept 1/4 and flat Leatherman bits. Cost $25. I don’t like the idea of modifying any Lestherman because it voids the warranty so an insert with a magnet is a good choice

Would be interesting if Leatherman allowed or made a customize option. Not all the tools fit everyone's need. And they switch up the tools on each model so that some are great on one, but not the other. Since it is able to be taken apart, they could sell individual tools for ppl to pick and choose which ones they need...

Thanks for this. I am definitely avoiding this tool now

Dude you used the wire cutter to cut a steel rivet? Not good.

I don't own a Surge, so having trouble imagining the size. How big/thick is it compared to a Rebar or Wave?

Great review, ty! I'd muuuch rather have the saw for my use. Too many pointless tools for me though. Was excited about having a Leatherman with a deep pocket clip:(

I like the overall concept so it is unfortunate that it has those problems. I've never bought a higher priced Leatherman but I have used the crap out of my wingman and skeletool and really like them. Wish they had replaceable wirecutters though. I do have a few of the mini leatherman tools as well. Great video.

Just one slight note. Put the volume very slightly up, it would be perfect. Nonetheless great review

Thanks for your honest review. I think I will buy the Surge instead.

Can you link the video where the pliers stopped working after using the wire cutter?

Thanks for your work! In my opinion the ruler and file are useless, bits of s.th. to fill the empty space.

Frankly i hear great things with the $40 Ozark big box!!!!!!

Hows the knife go with metal dust sticking to the magnets?

I have the P4, wave and super tool 300. I’d love the P4 if my pliers hadn’t gotten stiff after trying to bend a piece of metal (only about 1-1.5mm thick steel), and the flex of the handles when using the pliers. The entire purpose of a leather man is for sturdy pliers with the convenience of multiple tools added in the handles. Otherwise you get a SAK. The handle when being used as a set of pliers is also slightly uncomfortable, although as you can’t use the pliers for any heavy use I guess it’s not an issue. It’s a shame because the one handed opening almost makes me carry them for that feature alone, but I feel that the size and weight and barely usable pliers outweigh the one handed opening feature. I guess my son gets a really expensive fun tool now.

I appreciated the raw truth, thanks for the video, I'm looking for a backup while I wait for my wave to be repaired again. My super tool 300 is so bulky and slow to deploy makes me hesitant to go with the surge, but the surge does look like the bigger brother of the wave that I love for the most part. So maybe I'll get another wave. lol The P4 doesn't sound worth it.

I agree. Great design and engineering elements. But the dropped the ball on tool selection. I had the P4 for a week and ended up returning it and picked up a wave +. Very happy with the wave.

P4 or charge tti I’m looking at have you used a tti? Thanks

I sometimes use flatheads for scraping an prying. Though 2 would be enough for a lifetime.

Can u try to mod it

I’ve tried to use this tool in the real world it is just not up to par with other leatherman tools. I’ve tried to use the saw and it works great but the tool is so flimsy side to side. I use the saw during my landscape business while cutting yards to cut small tree branches. I’m afraid to use use it has hard as my wave or victorinox tools. It’s probably going back in my drawer. The inside tools are not even useful to me since they are so small. They need to go back and relook the whole tool again and listen to their customers.

I find it surprising how the Free P2 can be found on eBay brand new for $75 in box but the Free P4 costs $130 and used ones go for upwards of $100. I don't have strong fingernails and often wear gloves while working. The Free series is great for me. I don't want to spend time digging out tools from the insides of a multi tool. I think I'll buy the P2 as I'm not in need of the saw blades. I saw some modifications available for this multi tool to give it a bit driver, and I'm also thinking about adding that modification on. I love the Free T2 for EDC, but again, I have the same issue with pricing. I'd rather have gotten the Free T4 but the T2 costed $25 new while the T4 would have costed $40-$50 which is not worth it. I hope the Free P2 holds up for me. Thanks for the review of the P4

I find it a little disappointing that they haven't addressed any of these concerns everyone has. I also have a P4 and it would be nice if Leatherman came out with parts you could buy, to upgrade the P4

actually flat head screw drivers can be used to twist a lot of odd shaped screws, when you have to.

Have the leatherman charge tti over 10 years never want something els. And i use everything on it

That's pretty much been everyone's conclusion. I dont know why Leatherman gave us these..when there was/is a list of *[doable]* stuff people have been asking for, on existing tools.

That knife looks amazing BUT, they should have put both the knife and serrated blade for right hand open as the saw on the right hand open is less utilized than the serrated blade.

I just bought one and it came with a clip

Those cutters are really meant for electrical wire and such. Why are people surprised when they break trying to cut nails?! Use the proper tool for the job like knioex mini bolt cutters.

Thank God I kept my Surge and not bought any of the 'Free' series!!!

Very underwhelming tool pack considering the extremely high price! Just does not live up to the hype. The wave is still the best overall tool IMHO.

Like the honesty. And your right what is up with all the stupid flat heads all over.I only need one on my tool.Glad I watched this .Thanks Joe.

I have a P4 and it's kinda like that June Father's Day gift that you get and never use. It's all cool and clean, but you don't want to break it and it doesn't really have that many useful tools.

I’ve really used my P4 and haven’t gone back to my Wave.

Wire cutters are for cutting wire, not necessarily “rivets”. Serrated blades work great for rope, and a tanto tip is for strength and plunging. Scissors cut thread, as designed. Awl punctures animal hide, and allows for stitching with sinew or thread, as designed. Yeah, now that I think about it, “every tool is a hammer except a screwdriver, that’s a chisel” comes to mind. There’s an added cost for made in the USA vs made in the USA with global components. Either there is value in that for a person or there isn’t. As someone who enjoys getting paid well for my work, there is value in that for me. I have several tools for outdoors/survival. The leatherman is an all around tool that excels at nothing but resides in the mix as a “in a pinch” device, which is exactly what I expected when I bought it. To each their own.

They should make it the way people want , instead of egnoring thier customers and going flathead crazy on a multitool with alot of potential. The Surge is King. If you put a replacable saw that can take t shank boxche blades and replace the diamond files on all leathermans, that would be epic. And a ruler on the handles should be on all leathermans too

I've watched and read a couple dozen reviews of th P series and nothing has convinced me that they're really tools. They're toys. Very expensive toys. The best thing I can say about them is they're not SOGs or Gerbers.

Cuts metal rivet with “wire” cutters. Complains he ruined tool. That’s the world we live in now.

Should come with a nail clipper tool to go with the file.

I actually love that Leatherman is obsessed with flatheads. It just adds to the usability in case one breaks

You guys are crazy I like the fact that there's no tools to lose. Wait until u lose a bit or saw for exchangers.... the way everyone complains about lestherman models everyone should stick with a supertool 300 simple and has everything

I dont know why they haven't made a "build ur own" Leatherman yet. U can select wat blades and position. 🤷‍♂️

I personally hate the new sheath that Leatherman has been using(rivet snap)!!! The sheath is way too stiff and the flap which snaps closed onto the rivet is way too tall(not tight/snug enough) and leaves a noticeable gap between the top of the Free P2&P4 and the actual flap itself!!! As far as the Free P2&P4 goes the tools inside are just odd/weird and really make no sense at all, and some of the design choices are also odd!!! Why does the spine of the main blade stick up well past the edge of the Free P4 handle scales, but the saw blade on the Free P4 when fully closed sits flush and even with the handle? When it comes to the tools on the Free series the package opener on the Leatherman P2&P4 is really not that great at all!!! On the other hand, the package opener on the Leatherman Wingman comes to a narrow fine curved sharpened edge which allows you to easily pierce the thick plastic edge of clamshell packaging and easily slice it open. The package opener on the Free P2&P4 just looks like they just tried to lazily sharpen the corner edge of a flathead screwdriver!!! It's not as sharp as it should be and it's a lot easier for this package opener to just simply slide/skip off of the clamshell packaging while you're trying to slice it open, which can be dangerous!!! What really annoys me is that Leatherman already had perfected the package opener which was on the Wingman, so then why not just add that same awesome package opener to the Free P2&Free P4 instead of trying to reinvent it? It's just the case of Leatherman trying to combine two already existing tools into one(pry tool&package opener) and the result of doing that ends up just creating one lackluster, not so useful tool basically an all in one pry/package opener tool!!! The more that I've been using my Leatherman Free P2, the more I'm not liking the various tools that Leatherman decided to put in it!!! Also how the hell do you end up messing up an awl!!! An awl is supposed to have a very sharp/pointy end in order to pierce thick material like leather!!! Adding a micro screwdriver to the end/tip of the awl just makes the awls tip completely dull and therefor makes the awl completely useless!!! You shouldn't add one tool to another if adding the second tool completely removes the functionality of the first tool, which seems to be the main theme of both the Leatherman Free P2&P4!!! Then there's perhaps the most useless tool ever put into a multitool ever, the "mini ruler/medium flathead screwdriver" that's on the Free P2&P4!!! A ruler that's made this miniature is just completely useless and a complete waste of valuable space inside a multitool!!! The medium flathead screwdriver that's part of the mini ruler also has a chisel ground tip that comes to a very thin edge/tip, which causes the medium flathead screwdriver to not function that well. The bigger a screw head gets the wider the slot is made in it for the screwdrivers head. So by making the tip of the medium flathead screwdriver on the Free P2&P4 chisel ground the tip/edge is way too small(thin) to properly fit into the slot of a medium flathead screw slot and therefore has play/wiggle room!!! The chisel tip also creates a ramp effect and the narrow tip/edge of the medium flathead screwdriver just ends up turning within the flathead screws slot before slipping out. The tip of the medium flathead screwdriver should have been made the thickness of a standard normal screwdriver(no chisel grind) so it would fit perfectly in the slot of a medium-sized flathead screw so you can turn the flat head screw without having any play!!! Question, why is the can opener on the Free P2&P4 is for some reason the same not so great can opener seen in most older Victorinox Swiss army knives!!! Why didn't Leatherman just reuse the same amazing can opener seen/used in the Wingman!!! So that being said, what I do actually really like about the Leatherman Free P2&P4. I really like the magnetic balisong like opening, it's the best one-handed opening deployment method of any multitool ever in my opinion!! The magnetic tool deployment system/method is also the best I've ever seen!!! Every tool opens easily and locks in place without any play or wiggle at all, which is amazing!!! The plier head on the Fee P2&P4 has a slightly redesigned shape and is a lot more robust, combined with the replaceable wire cutters that make this simply the best multitool plier head ever(my Free P2 plier head didn't have the issues your P4 had after cutting a nail in half)!!! But the tools that Leatherman decided to create/include in the Free P2&P4 are just simply odd/bizarre and completely don't make any sense at all!!! I was so initially hyped when I first saw the balisong action of the Leatherman Free P2&P4 in a January 2019 ShotShow KZfaq video from BladeHQ, but after buying and using the Leatherman Free P2 for almost a full year now I'm more than a little bit disappointed and triggered!!! What a letdown, the Leatherman Free P2&P4 had such amazing potential for true greatness!!! The magnetic balisong action and magnetic tool opening system are really well done and quite awesome, but in the end it's the tools inside that I use/care about most and are what make a multitool truly function/useful. These tools in the Free P2&P4 simply were very poorly designed and executed!!!

There's some, dare I say it, genius involved in this tool, but there's also a whole lot of stupid. The file, the ruler, the slotted drivers, the lack of a blade exchanger and the sheath make this pretty much useless. I'll keep my Wave and Surge for the foreseeable future.

Just bought my P4 and it came with a pocket clip.

wait it on shiny hiny thing for another day.

My main problem with the LM Free is that I think they are waaaaayyy overpriced

How much have you actually used it? You tried to open it at the wrong end at the start of this and had to flip it around. Seen this before from a so called user recently. There's a difference between user and owner. These reviews make that obvious and lack credibility.

140$?! Where i live its closer to 215$!

Nice My next buy will be free series

I agree. The price makes it a big disappointment. I'm bummed cause the idea is sooo gooood. Worst pliers ever would be my only addition to your list of WTFs

Charge+ same price better tool in my opinion.

I’ll stick with my charge.

A whole year? That's 51 weeks more than mine lasted lol. Wave and Spirit both are much better tools

The Free P2 & P4 price is due to it's USA made.

I would think doing a review on a multi tool you would at least make an effort to use all the main tools, like the saw for example. Waste if time review, I'm outta here.

Three reasons of not purchasing this free p4. 1)the price tag 2) tx tool crib review 3) your review after 1 year.

Felicitaciones por el video, te falto la traduccion al español.

Усы лишние.