Interesting take. I use my Surge everyday, it's tough and it has extra gadgets than the Swisstool. I agree Leatherman handles can be very stiff to open. Some say they just need oiled or broken in. From what it sounds like your experience is Victorinox doesn't have that same issue. As far as metal durability I still feel they are fairly close in that quality. I think both are great. If Victorinox would design bit drivers for their large multitools like their cybertool that would be amazing!

they're us made and that part is more than 50% of their value to most american reviewers.

@@dariusus9870 thats quite a bias then:/

@@peddypeoples941 it's my suspicion. Of course the one handed blade opening is lm's advantage over victorinox but i haven't many fans of lm outside of us. For a country that breathes nationalism i think this plays a huge part. I might be wrong

For me the Swiss tool feels of extremely high quality, comparable to using dedicated quality tools from a reputable brands, like knipex pliers or wera screwdrivers. No sharp or uncomfortable edges and really nice ergonomics. I can genuinely easily reach for it as a go to rather than as a get out of trouble. I find mine is used daily at work, the Philips on the victornox is sufficiently long to reach almost all the screws I come across an easily works on pozi. The large screwdriver is perfect for hoseclips, prising off plastic stop tap covers etc. I use the pliers least but you can get enough leverage to undo and tighten 13mm nuts on battery terminals etc at a push and easily copes with 10mm nuts. I've always caried a separate knife but can't fault the Swiss tool knife I have the standard version so also have the serated knife. My experience of the leatherman is from trying work colleagues ones and I don't find them as ergonomic.

It is a really cool tool!

I fully agree

Once you use a Swisstool it makes the Surge feel cheap

I have both. The swisstool plier head comes loose. The Surge hasn't so I can't help but disagree!

@@billybunter3753 sure with your experience totally understand.

Very nice. I really want to get the Spirit I've heard great things about it as well

@@hvacbudget8600 I don't have the Spirit. But the Swisstool is just superb. Only the safe and ultraprecise click when closing it (unlike by friction on the Leatherman Surge) tells you everything.

Agree, the ergonomics are comparable to using dedicated reputable brand tools like wera, knipex etc. For me the Swiss tool is a better product.

GARBAGE 😂

Having owned the Wave, Supertool, Charge and Surge as well as some SOG and Gerber I fully agree that I now wouldn't exchange my Swisstool for any of the other mentioned multitool. However I have to admit that replacable wire cutters and jig saw/file/whatever is a no question advantage. Couldn't those brands reunite the best ideas in their products and just battle with the precision, choice of steel and assembly quality?

That's cool! I didn't know that.

@@hvacbudget8600 Yeah, me neither - I always just wondered why the one side opened more easily, you know, when you open the pliers up. Then I read a comment on the Internet somewhere that you could "measure roughly angles with it" and I was like "Yeah but then you can 'roughly' measure Angles with two pens too." - Until it dawned on me. Imagine how stupid I felt it after havin' one for nearly ten years, wondering about it for nearly ten years why it's "uneven" if you open the pliers and then finally realizing the function... ^^'"

It's not perfectly square, so no, it's not 90 degrees. In other words, it's either square or it's not, and it's not.

@@billybunter3753 Then most squares ain't squares.

@@DaroriDerEinzige You make zero sense. When building, it's either square or it's not!

sorry what does the CS stand for in the Swiss?

Swisstool is a shiny toy the surge is a blue collar tool

Sounds good! Thanks for the great info!

@@hvacbudget8600 you are most welcome!

Thank you!

I am looking to add the center drive soon to my collection. I like the bit driver and prybar option!

@@hvacbudget8600 in eBay u can get a new center drive black one for around 60 bucks. It’s not the plus version the plus has scissors. If you like me I bought the normal one and ended up getting the plus later when inshould of just got the plus to begin with

I don't have a surge, but I have 3 waves, a wave plus, and a charge ti. I am on my second swisstool because I in inadvertently left my first swisstool behind in a cross country move. Honestly, I hardly ever used it, but I love it, it is a marvel of design and engineering...and beauty. I just had to have another one. I want to get a surge, but am not in a hurry. I am a golf course mechanic and wear lots of hats. I find the leatherman fuse carried in a pliers deployed state in a pliers sheath works for me...i like the lite weight. Thanks for the review

@@stevedriscoll2539 Sounds like you have some great multitools!

@@xlilnetx Good advice. I will keep a lookout for the Gerber Centerdrive Plus.

There you go! LoL.

@@hvacbudget8600 dude, u dont wanna know what i've been through to get this Surge 🤣

No, I have both, the Swisstools plier head comes loose even without use. The Surge is still tight! I'm not American so no brand loyalty here! Remember, I have both and the Surge is still the best!

@@billybunter3753 have both as well and the surge is way to heavy compared to the Swisstool and the refinement is way above the surge. As far as the pillars coming loose have not experienced that so not taking that away from your position.

I like that lol!

True. I have a really nice pair of Klein wire strippers I use each day. I like multitools for quick easy tasks.

Thanks for watching! What do you mean exactly by backlash? Do they spring back? I've noticed mine can be a bit stiff to open at times. Or do the pliers bind or get stuck at times cutting?

@@hvacbudget8600 I mean that the pliers open too easily, the central pin of the pliers has become weaker to connect them, they hang out more and are not connected rigidly as before. They still cut wires well, but if you take one handle and shake it, you can hear them rattle a little.

@@komradsar8755 I would send it to be fixed. You’ve got the warranty so it should be free or cheap.

They can be but I prefer the full 1/4" drivers on my multi tools which work much better.

@@hvacbudget8600 true but handling is still terrible. The best one for me so far was powerpint but I still struggle tbh

I like that idea!

Are you forgetting that you can use full size bits with the extension bar?

What an amazing deal! Good job!

@@hvacbudget8600 I got a black surge I use in my truck. This one didn’t come with a sheath or file. I’ll survive. Basically new

@@appleztooranges Still a great deal!

В России цена на него 180$ и даже доходит до 270$😢

I'll have to check into that.

That seems unusual for rust spots to quickly form like that. I have heard of that on the 300 and the SOG. The Swisstool is really nice though.

@@hvacbudget8600 They aren't huge spots but I noticed them all the same. I'm not near the coast but it does get humid. My brother-in-law works on marinas in Sydney fixing yachts and his Surge got real rusty.

@@codpieceofjustice4595 Interesting to know. I guess that's something to watch out for.

What does OHO stand for? :)

@@ollymcgill6595 One Hand Opening I think.

Good to hear long term experience with a tool. That is a good point about the ease of access to the tools.

Nice!

I tend to find the Leathermans better for actual work as well.

Mine is a newer Swiss tool and I find the Philips easily copes with standard pozi in work situations with almost no cam out and sufficiently long to reach most screws. To my mind I rate the screwdriver farr superior to work colleagues leatherman.

Leatherman Surge is still better because it has extra features plus stronger tools for someone in the Contstruction or Repair Industry. The Victorinox is a great all around tool if you do not need the extras the Surge offers.

I agree!

It sounds like you never tried a Swisstool, then you might change your mind..