the only things they changed from my 1998 swisstool x to my 2021 one is sturdier pliers with reversed mechanism, better file and slightly better opening of the handles. decent changes, nothing else needed to be changed.

@@peddypeoples941 agreed, closer to perfection!!

It’s always Victorinox me hands down every time. The precision, tolerances, and finish on Victorinox is vastly superior quality to Leatherman.

I’ve never owned a leatherman, but I know someone who has had 4, the oldest of which he lost was a good tool, all subsequent leatherman’s be have broken and rusted, pretty much same story as original poster. I’ve had Swiss Army knives since the late 70’s never had a tool break, I did chip the scales once when I dropped it, simple fix to attach new scales, upgraded to plus scales, gained a pen and pin. Knipex cobra xs pliers paired with a Huntsman SAK and the bit driver shown in video is a pretty perfect combination. Swiss and German quality.

Leathermans have more of an Industrial feel. That being said i would choose the Charge Plus over the Wave.

I have handled a Spirit and no I would not choose it over the Wave. The Wave is much more practical, much better wire cutters too. The locks are easier to use. That is my opinion.

@@naturecalls3465 practicality and toolset opinions are different for all users. My comment was referring to fit and finish. In my experience leatherman will often one with the locking tools having noticeable play. Also I have purchased brand new Leathermans where the pliers were either just right or ultra tight requiring two hands to open which was annoying when trying to use the tool one handed.

​@@mikeespineli1717 I like and and encourage people to check out the spirit..unless they have to have the bit exchanger from dealing with different fasteners. frequently or they just have to have to diamond file..I still have a scar from almost 2 years ago when I got pinched by the wave's handles I won't even touch a wave after that..the surge and spirit x for me..the craftsman is just a bonus for me at least after I started using it once I got mine it was made so well I honestly didn't want to even scratch it so I bought another one and waited until it came in before I used my orginal . so I prefer the spirit for both reasons. my admiration and for its performance not to mention I live in a humid environment another reason to appreciate anything made by victorinox

They’re both shit if you are a tradesman. These are designed for the home handyman I’ve had both and many other iterations over the years and for the cost bleh convenience aside hmmmmmmm…. However if you want to be macgyver great toys.

I'm owner of black Surge last 8 years. I don't know anything about rust...

Thank you sir, on all accounts. Let’s us know which model you prefer when you get a chance to compare them.

Do you find any discomfort with the knife thumb catch?

Thanks as always for taking the time to watch.

If you’re driving screws using the awl to make pilot holes is essential

Actually I kinda like an awl , good for marking , starting wood screws etc . My field expedient awl of choice is the one on my Victorinox Electrician . What I would like to see is a well made folding saw for SDS/ “T” shank Jigsaw blades . I’ve been thinking about scrounging the SDS chuck out of a dead Jigsaw and cluegeing something together .

I like the Awl and the scissors. I just carry a smaller SAK with an awl. It’s light and I don’t notice each until I need it. The Wave pliers, lock blade knives, and the bit driver, the extension enabling most all common bits in addition to the Leatherman bits, etc., makes it a keeper.

That is very true. The downside to some people might also be that the Victorinox models are not easily modified, the same is not true of the Wave. There are pros and cons to each model. In the end, people just have to weigh those differences against one another to decide what is the best fit for them.

@@txtoolcrib very good point. I’ve ordered some replacement tools off of Etsy and installed them on my wave since it’s my main work tool. Can’t say I’d be able to service my victorinox!

I like the idea of that, you have one heavy duty and one precision multitool, good one!

Totally agree. I’d also like to add that if Leatherman customers were more honest to themselves, they wouldn’t allow leatherman quality control and manufacturing drop so hard in the last few decades. Unfortunately if it’s not “made in USA”, way too many people won’t even consider it and will lose so much on it.

Leatherman invented the multi-tool. If it ain’t MUSA it isn’t any good

@@dmam412 apparently you are extremely ignorant and uncultured, otherwise you’d know that first multi tools are Italian from the Roman Empire. Fact check before speaking randomly. Besides this fail, victorinox started multi tool before Tim Leatherman was even born, how can you even say such bullshit with straight face? Leatherman quality is extremely bad (sog/gerber level of quality) since 2003, everyone that isn’t a fanboy will tell you this, if you keep cuddling them they will keep proving your ass with Chinese level quality and you will keep thanking them with a smile. At least tell them to use some lube for the next releases.

@@clintwestwood3539 can you please be specific about what quality control issues you are referring to? Only issue I'm aware of is plier head wear in. Which is covered by the warranty. I bought a new charge plus last year that had the issue, it was repaired and is smooth enough to one hand butterfly open and closed. Other than that the tool was functionally perfect from day one.

@@chrisnelson1935 all the complaints I personally saw from my models or friends/colleagues models: - tip not touching perfectly (leatherman won’t fix it); - blade HT off (breaks); - pliers HT off (breaks, especially on twisting, leatherman fixed but said that you shouldn’t twist with their pliers, which is absurd since you are removing 50% of the work a plier can do); - multiple surge scissors either don’t cut because of weird sharpening angle or they have a space between blades and softer materials can’t be cut because of this; - frame got cracked when closed because of bad quality issue; - pliers, scissor and knife play are not unusual; - bit drivers are hella soft and will break after not much use; That’s just from the tip of my head, I’m out right now so I will add more and ask for my group of friends (we are all multi tool collectors) to add what problems they had, but it’s not unusual to have problems with Leatherman. I get it that they want to cut down cost so quality control isn’t as good and mass produced items will have problems more often than not, but it’s maddening how many problems I found on several tools during all my collecting years. I won’t even touch what I read on forums because it’s not fair since I don’t know the users, but I know my friends and I know how they use their multitools (mostly for collection) and we talk when we find issues. There is a KZfaqr (maxlvledc), good lad, that pointed out some of these issues on brand new leathermans he bought (out of the box), so it’s really not that uncommon to find issue with their tools. I hope this helps, have a good evening.

I decided to do the same. Only instead of the Wave +, I bought a TTi.

if you look on ebay you can find thumbstuds designed for the wave to make it easier to open. if you have a 3d printer I believe there are files on thingiverse to make the same thing.

big if true

@@drakejosh808 well at least this is my experience with those two

@@in_sympathy I was so invested in getting a wave/surge lol now i gotta rethink. i so wish victorinox had plier based multitools with one hand opening blades, etc.

@@drakejosh808 they actually do - search for a Spirit MX

@@in_sympathy oh yeah i know about that! totally forgot tho cause i was researching too much into leatherman haha

Get off the fairy dust chris .... ya nose is caked in it 🤣

Can I take my Supertool 300 apart? I have looked at the screw heads and don’t understand how that is possible.

great way to void the warranty. Leatherman refused to repair my supertool because of scratchmarks around the screw, indicating i tried to manipulate it>

​@@CanadianBeachcomberYes you can take it apart. You need a parsing wrench set for those specialty Chicago screws Leatherman uses on their classic tools. Also handy to have the wrenches to tighten the tool as it ages.

It cuts thru apples like butter. No problem there at all

I carried the Wave for 6 years and never broke a plier head. In fact, the only one I have ever broke was on a Surge. I was doing something I never should have been doing with it, so it was completely my fault, and Leatherman replaced it, no questions asked.

maybe the most used multitool are leatherman and the less used are victorinox, and that's why breakages are more common on the leatherman, just a thought

@@virtualvirtual2362 Leatherman fit and Finnish , and build quality have declined , the quality of their cast Plierheads is questionable . I’ve seen quit a few broken/ bent heads . Vic made theirs thicker for a good reason . Leatherman shops the world market for parts fabrication , Vic. does everything in house . Leatherman speaks to a brilliant Engineer brainstorming an idea ! Vic. Is basically run by 5th Gen . European master cutlers . I was a died in the wool Leatherman fan ( since the mid eighties ) , nowadays they have lost my Bussiness !

@@chrisfyfe9212 when Vic. Makes their tools here in the usa, I'll care

@@jaredappleseed7037 Honestly , I doubt many US parts vendors could meet Vic. QA requirements . The Swiss just make better Chit ! Kinda like the SIG 210 , No US manufacturer can come within 100M of their quality !0

You are precisely right. I had intended to add in the respective sheaths as well, but after seeing how long this video was I elected to leave them out.

Wouldn’t that be what the wire stripper is for?

@@txtoolcrib if you look at the cap lifter/flathead/wire stripper on the 91mm swiss army knives it is almost identical to the tool on the ST Spirit, but on the SA Knife they actually market it as a wire stripper. But yes, the wire stripper/chisel tool is far better. PS love your channel, and thanks for stopping me from wasting my money on a free p4🤣

Yes

I’ll have to look for that video. It might be a worthwhile modification.

Done that using a diamond file from a surge. Works great. Can’t understand why Victorinox doesn’t do the nub shorter

@@txtoolcrib I’ve never noticed the scissor as I’m also nearly always carrying Klein Stainless Electrician’s scissors , and/or Leatherman Raptors . All my scissor use with the Spirit scissors is more in the nature of nail trimming , or thread cutting etc . The Raptors became part of my EDC , back in 2014 , when I was working as a Job Super. , and inherited a lot of first aid related responsibilities , Also started EDC’ing Splinter Forceps at about that time ,+ TQ , and Quickclot .

@@txtoolcrib Hi what do you think about this my Victorinox Spirit scissors mods: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hrtinrp5lt3YiWg.html

Done

Tell me which one you like better when you got the vic

@@Noble_Isaac Hello, I got the mx clip victorinox multitool and I love it. The design, fit and finish is better on the victorinox. Every tool has its own spring, and is accessible from the outside. When you opening and closing tools the feedback is excellent. The only thing that I don't like is the scissors limited opening. But I already adjusted that with a Dremel, and now everything is fine. But is hard to decide which one is better. The Wave plus is a very good multitool with a very good serrated blade, diamond file, bit exchanger. It is my favorite on the jobsite. The Victorinox is my outdoor tool.

You're talking above a lot of heads here. What makes Leatherman dishonest?

@@coryulrich6489 bad quality control for me. Leatherman quality is really really really bad after 2000/2003 to nowadays, they dropped to SOG and Gerber level, when before 2000 they were a competitor for Victorinox. Nowadays? Victorinox wins on quality of materials hands down. Also the reason why they never felt the need to grant 25 years of free maintenance, because they can last longer with no problem at all. Leatherman, on other hand, will break down after a decade of not hard use, or way faster if you use it harder. That’s my take from owning Swisstool, Spirit MXBS, SuperTool300, Surge, Charge and Style PS. The SuperTool is from 1995/1998 if I’m not mistaken and it’s the better one ironically. Leatherman REALLY dropped the ball and got their head stuck inside their asses lately.

They are.

They are but they are also heavy duty. I cut through hard stuff better than my surge with that scissor. I really like the scissors on the spirit. However if you need to use it for everyday use, SAK scissor and Swisstool scissor are both better because wider and longer (more cutting space)

Are you saying it doesn't measure up? 😉

The spirit doesn’t have a ruler because it’s more ergonomic than any leatherman (look at its shape, its no competition there). However the other swisstool (the non spirit one), which is the Surge competition, it has a ruler and its probably the best 20cm ruler on any multi tool for hows designed. So if you need a ruler on it, go for the bigger and heavier version. If you want a pocket friendly one, you go for the spirit one.

@@clintwestwood3539 But can you pocket carry it with tweezers.

@@kennogawa6638 If i need tweezers I will just carry a SAK with me. Any two/three layer SAK is so light and so thin that you won’t even notice it. Especially if you go for the keychain one. And again Victorinox tweezers have another level of quality compared to the style (at least mine PS). I don’t see the argument there, I personally don’t need tweezers on a daily base, but with a Victorinox Manager (or any other keychain one) you will get better tweezers than any Micra or Style. It’s all about quality of construction and material, and in that regard Letharman loses on any front in the last 20 years. Victorinox is in another league if we talk about that.

@@kennogawa6638 also I want to add an observation since we are talking about add-ons: the fact that you can put stuff inside a leatherman tool it’s not a good thing if not intended (like SAK scales), it just means that the fit wasn’t well thought and they didn’t optimised the space they had. It’s a compromise people find to make use of the extra volume they are carrying when it’s not used from the company itself. But if they wanted us to put tweezers inside a full sized leatherman, they’d just put them inside or tell you that there is a space for it (like 91mm SAKs have a pin holder but sometimes no pin, it’s still intended to carry a pin, not something people found out to optimise the bad fit). That’s my thought about it. However, again, if you need tweezers, Rambler Manager and/or Minichamp will do a great (better) job. You also get pens et cetera

I received my receipt digitally through email because I ordered it through the webshop. Then I saved it onto my google drive in my "receipts" folder with all the other receipts I have for warranty. If you receive a paper receipt, then you could just scan or photo it and dave a digital version. They would have to accept those too for warranty claims.

We’ll see what they have in store with the new Leatherman Garage. I actually have high hopes for what might be coming down the line.

@@txtoolcrib what’s sad is that latest “Leatherman Garages” look more like collection tools rather than actual heavy duty tools. But that’s just me.

So Vic is better?

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