LeBron's 4th title w/ Lakers keeps him in GOAT race vs Jordan - Broussard | NBA | FIRST THINGS FIRST
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3 жыл бұрынChris Broussard joins the show to continue the LeBron James versus Michael Jordan greatest of all time debate. Broussard feels LeBron's 4th title with the Los Angeles Lakers keeps him in the GOAT race versus Jordan, while Jordan remains #1.
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@FirstThingsFirst 3 жыл бұрын
Who do you think is the GOAT: LeBron James or Michael Jordan?
@shmeautiful 3 жыл бұрын
Caruso
@darrellhardy90 3 жыл бұрын
Jordan is the best offensive player and best defensive player in nba history! Is this really even a question? 😂🤷♂️
@jctslice 3 жыл бұрын
right NOW, it's m.j., but it WILL be lebron by the time lbj LEAVES the game
@LeopardL123 3 жыл бұрын
LeBron for me
@mattmmixes 3 жыл бұрын
Jordan
@abualzuaree 3 жыл бұрын
Chris Broussard and Nick wright have so much chemistry, they need a show permanently
@NiccFurious 3 жыл бұрын
Its an absolute TRAVESTY they put Marshall in over Broussard man smh
@abualzuaree 3 жыл бұрын
@@NiccFurious facts
@jpimp491 3 жыл бұрын
Definitely drop rob parker and Brandon Marshall and let him do the show / radio
@neednu22 3 жыл бұрын
They definitely do! Would love to see it always!
@vinnythewebsurfer 3 жыл бұрын
I miss C.C tho. This pairing is still nice.
@shmeautiful 3 жыл бұрын
Broussard why r u yelling at me
@MrBenji1059 3 жыл бұрын
had to low my volume all the way down
@Imayrnn 3 жыл бұрын
LEBRAWWWNNN
@mogtrader8 3 жыл бұрын
He aint da same when he THOUGHT he had the scoops on Leonard.
@MarkSmith-ns1es 3 жыл бұрын
Nick be spitting straight indisputable facts and everybody act like what he says is outlandish 🙄
@braukwood925 3 жыл бұрын
@nabil chowdhury explain how anything he said is rewriting history? please explain
@mikep1379 3 жыл бұрын
@nabil chowdhury misuses stats? Wtf are you talking about
@Ttcw89 3 жыл бұрын
Nick Wright is about to shed tears 😂😂Straight facts u say.. MJ is the only person to ever win DPOY and the scoring title in the same season. And he led the league in steals that same season. Led league in steals 3x, won DPOY, 5 MVPs. And nvr winning against Larry Bird... sure but that was a team with at least 5 HoFers and MJ was alone. And Larry Bird himself after playing against MJ said that he saw *God disguised as Michael Jordan* . MJ didn’t lose for lack of effort. This the same dude who questioned his own coaches and upper management for trying to tank and lose to get good draft picks. He said winning is the point of every game, if we’re not trying to win then why are we playing basketball... he gave everything every single game. LeBron and his ‘load management’ would never fly with MJ.. ever. He nvr cheated the fans out of seeing him play and his greatness. The figure and aura that was Michael Jordan was unlike anything we’ve witnessed. LeBron will never be able to top that
@denzelwashington3763 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ttcw89 Jordan retired twice so clearly he cheated the fans. Cmon bud do you even think before typing
@StephenBurns2413 3 жыл бұрын
100% MJ stans are ridiculous. No point in arguing with them. They're like the old drunks at the pub telling you how great 1955 was
@hankhill7604 3 жыл бұрын
Lol Nick destroyed Chris’s argument
@ZombieLegacy 3 жыл бұрын
I mean it seems like everything Nick said was true. And he didn’t even mention that during Micheal’s “Dominant Years” when he finally became the legend people believe he is, he DID allow another team to win the finals, unlike what Chris said.
@braukwood925 3 жыл бұрын
@steven richter Youre an idiot. if you disagree with nick thats fine but to say he had no facts is truly moronic
@braukwood925 3 жыл бұрын
@nabil chowdhury explain how nick wright is rewriting history? or you just saying the same thing BM said at the end??
@stevenchung9042 3 жыл бұрын
"Destroyed" lmao no. His stats were misrepresented asf
@bigcity3865 3 жыл бұрын
@steven richter ok and bill Russell if he had a 3rd hand would have to hold up 3 hands so wtf is ur point kid😂 it’s not all about rings
@BatmanvsJesus 3 жыл бұрын
“I agree, the years Jordan won championships nobody else won championships” 😂😂😂
@Shad43 3 жыл бұрын
Lmao he missed the point cuz it didn’t fit his narrative. He was saying wen Jordan hit his peak nobody was winning anything
@BatmanvsJesus 3 жыл бұрын
@@Shad43 except the years he didn’t win lmao
@BAN-ly6sg 3 жыл бұрын
Nick vs skip would be ultimate
@Shad43 3 жыл бұрын
@@BatmanvsJesus but what Chris was saying was, once Jordan figured out everything he needed he was never losing again nobody in the east or west won. Bron got to the finals but other players still rings lmao not the case for mj
@BatmanvsJesus 3 жыл бұрын
@@Shad43 MJ was the favorite every single year. He never faced adversity once we had a super team. Before that, he never accomplished a single thing.
@themarathonman2874 3 жыл бұрын
Let’s just be honest. Jordan never faced a team better than his in the finals. 6-0 is incredible but his opponents were not.
@gabrielmambo5436 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it’s called having the better team. You go to the Finals to WIN, not beat difficult opponents.
@kbwoo8871 3 жыл бұрын
Gabriel Mambo ... 😂 bro what?
@danielkosmala6306 3 жыл бұрын
the fact that the Jazz scored like 54 points in a game is just laughable ... watch the game its not even like the defense was that great they were jagging layups and wide open shots
@gabrielmambo5436 3 жыл бұрын
@@kbwoo8871 Are you seriously laughing at my comment? One based on common sense and obvious facts? Seriously, these types of mindsets ruin basketball debates. If you have facts to prove things, cool, we can agree to disagree but bro...you play to win, regardless of the challenge. Maybe the 90s teams should have been better...you know, since you’re trying to get a title.
@Ttcw89 3 жыл бұрын
You jump right to the Finals and talk about competition lmao 🤦🏽♂️ there’s something called the first second and third rounds you need to go thru to get there. LeBron has NVR aced the same competition level that MJ had to face to even get to the Finals. So chalk up LeBrons Finals opponents but skip over the path to get there.. MJ had to face far superior competition to make the Finals. And MJ kept how many All time great players top 50 players from winning a Ring?? Everyone won on LeBron’s watch as CB said.. against LeBron they won, they ate. If you’re going to proclaim yourself as GOAT (which no real superstar would do and they haven’t other than LeBron) then someone of your stature needs to at least win s couple games vs those KD Warriors, don’t get swept twice in the Finals. You don’t lose with that Miami heat team 4-1 to the Spurs in 2014. And you definitely don’t leave and manufacture a big 3 to win rings only to have a historic meltdown to the Mavericks in 2011, probably the worst we’ve seen from a Superstar of his caliber ever.. in his 8th year
@darenholloway6013 3 жыл бұрын
Been my argument forever. Jordan played 15 years. They only count 6.
@nickjames1496 3 жыл бұрын
Facts
@yourebreakingmyballs4787 3 жыл бұрын
So Jordan has 6 rings in 15 years. LeBron got 4 in 17 years. Something to think about.
@txrns-7990 3 жыл бұрын
@@yourebreakingmyballs4787 how many hall of famers Jordan faces in the finals ? How many super teams did he face in the finals ?
@emmanueltafari8809 3 жыл бұрын
@@txrns-7990 that’s what I’m saying people don’t take into consideration the teams lebron had to face in the finals. Lebron in the 🐐 to me
@jerrodgarland2604 3 жыл бұрын
@@yourebreakingmyballs4787 lebron went against a dynasty in the Spurs 4 times & a 73 win team in the warriors who added Kd the top 2 best player who didn’t even have to play in the playoffs for them to make the finals & the first year the warriors won the cavs stars all was injured
@jctslice 3 жыл бұрын
nick wright's board of FIVE cases against m.j. is ALL FACTS. lol LOVE this guy, he keeps it a BUCK
@skipbayless4375 3 жыл бұрын
it really aint but ok
@ZombieLegacy 3 жыл бұрын
I mean, what’s not true?
@mattmmixes 3 жыл бұрын
All facts? All of these but one are either taken completely out of context or are outright wrong
@ZombieLegacy 3 жыл бұрын
I mean Jordan’s career before Pippin wasn’t great. He kept getting wrecked in the early rounds of the playoffs. I’ll take loses in the finals over loses in the first and second rounds. And I’d bet you a lot of people would agree.
@DokuTenbun 3 жыл бұрын
He always does. People that hate on Nick Wrights opinions are more often than not Jordansexuals. The worst fans in Basketball. Lol
@uyiosaigiehon7174 3 жыл бұрын
“The year Jordan won championships no one else won championships. I don’t think that’s a compelling point.” 🤣🤣
@iamkoopa22 3 жыл бұрын
lmao!!!! a lot of people didnt catch that. nick murdered his lebron argument today. no cap
@sw120 3 жыл бұрын
@AnObviousUsername the reason Lebron's trophycase is much lighter compared to MJ is because of excuses. Valid excuses, but still, same can be applied to almost any player. No I'm not blaming Bron one but for anything besides 2011 (maybe a few other minor instances), but that's just how it is. Let's not forget that Bron also has the luxury to handpick players to play on his team, and very few stars get to do so. Bron's a top 2 player ever undoubtedly but like you said, they worship Jordan but those people like Nick who think Bron is the GOAT do the exact same thing if not even more than those who believe it's Jordan
@johnnybaxter1953 2 жыл бұрын
@@JohnJones-fn9df bruh the 2014 spurs are one of the best teams of the 2010's
@bencarter8423 Жыл бұрын
@@johnnybaxter1953 They were a very good team, but with the exception of Kawhi they were very old.
@Computerdude87 3 жыл бұрын
"The points weren't powerful" LMAO Broussard has lost it. Nick said nothing but facts! He has been owning every single argument on this show for a while now!"
@jimmyb4361 3 жыл бұрын
Yup
@jimmyb4361 3 жыл бұрын
But these are the things Chris loves to ignore.
@tchallal6684 3 жыл бұрын
Those so called facts are misleading. Jordan got out of the first round after Scottie was drafted but Scottie barely played his first couple of years and averaged around 8 points. Duncan won his first title after Jordan retired so did hakeem.
@luisruiz2011 3 жыл бұрын
Jordan is the GOAT
@jimmyb4361 3 жыл бұрын
@@tchallal6684 Duncan got drafted in 97 nice try he was a rookie.😂😂😂
@braukwood925 3 жыл бұрын
GET BRANDON OFF THE SHOW!!!! HES ABSOLUTELY USELESS TO THE DEBATES AND HAS BEEN FOR MONTHS
@ashtreymanny1593 3 жыл бұрын
lmaooooooooooo
@Thatguy71771 3 жыл бұрын
i agree his takes are boring..he struggles to get a sentence out smoothly and his face is just very punchable to make things worse
@vexotimmer2675 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with you. He literally adds nothing to the show.
@fullmetaldakine 3 жыл бұрын
Lol, true! Wildes might be worse tho 😂
@kevinhorry4182 3 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@GameplayGuy00 3 жыл бұрын
Jordan had a breakdown moment, against the magic when they stole the ball from him and they were saying "45 isn't 23", it wasn't in the finals so it doesn't get attention
@skipbayless4375 3 жыл бұрын
agreed, but it ain't quite 8 points, then 17 points, then 21 points in game 4 5 and 6, while scoring an average of 2 points in the 4th quarter. MJ still averaged 31 pts on 48% shooting, that series. Nowhere near as bad as lebron's meltdown. If that's a meltdown for jordan, you just proved why hes the goat. Jordan came back with 17 games left in that season, and was out of shape. Those mistakes he made down the stretch were due to his lack of basketball fitness. Even Nick Anderson said "no 45 ain't no 23, i coudlnt have done that to no 23". Jordan came back the next year 72-10 and three peated
@guilhermevieira6010 3 жыл бұрын
In that "breakdown momente" he averaged 31p - 6r - 4a on 48%fg, is not like he averaged 17ppg or shot 35%fg like lebron did in 2007 and 2011.
@Julian-rt9qs 3 жыл бұрын
@@skipbayless4375 but he still failed. And you offering explanation is the same thing that Bron critics would say is "jsut an excuse". Rational fans understand things like that but still....if Bron gets a "no excuses" clause then so does MJ.
@shouryasangam7956 3 жыл бұрын
Lebron played like a role player in the 2011 finals for the entire series and especially in the fourth quarters. Not the same pal
@GameplayGuy00 3 жыл бұрын
@@skipbayless4375 i'm not saying it was as bad as lebron, but Jordan had a moment too. It's true that the media will always treat jordan like royalty and act like he played only 6 years, i have him as the goat but it's not unachievable for lebron. You said that he came back and three peated, lebron came back from 2011 and won 2 in a row. Also Jordan in the finals when he won he always had a better team, apart from 2011 lebron wasn't supposed to win and surely jordan hasn't faced the competition that lebron faced in the finals.
@carterbilbro4615 3 жыл бұрын
KD and Steph ate...together. WITH KLAY AND DRAYMOND. Kawhi and Tim Duncan ate...together. WITH PARKER AND GINOBLI. Drexler didn't eat...by himself. When he got with Hakeem he won. Barkley didn't eat...alone. Stop it Chris. No context whatsoever.
@123456CBOY 3 жыл бұрын
Right... chris argument is way off just a little bit
@joegimple5 3 жыл бұрын
Barkley actually never ate 🤷🏼♂️
@sahilpanwar4124 3 жыл бұрын
@@joegimple5 Okay, nice camouflage shaq !
@Renegade77784 3 жыл бұрын
LeBron, Kyrie, Kevin Love, D Wade, and Chris Bosh all lost together.
@PedroGarcia-zf8zg 3 жыл бұрын
They make it seem like Jordan won alone and that he won every game for 15 seasons
@henryloves 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, I'm quite impressed by Nick Wright. He's well-prepared.
@Marshall0722 3 жыл бұрын
But he was inaccurate lol He said that Robinson, Duncan, Shaq, and Kobe won on Jordan's watch. That is a straight up lie
@imaking123 3 жыл бұрын
He's not well prepared he's just not being challenged Correctly!
@sablepaprika2892 3 жыл бұрын
Man's is 1 v 4
@dedricklane4899 3 жыл бұрын
@@Marshall0722 Jordan was in the league in 02 and 03
@christopherkb2432 3 жыл бұрын
@@dedricklane4899 he was old lmao
@paolo2012 3 жыл бұрын
Lebron: there is no jealousy on this team. Kyrie: 😭
@kosmisfit1301 3 жыл бұрын
Kyrie thinks the earth is flat
@henryokonkwo8760 2 жыл бұрын
Kyrie 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 drama queen
@reebutler9994 2 жыл бұрын
LeBron James didn't win a championship until Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh in Miami Heat and Ray Allen .he didn't win one in Cleveland to he got Kyrie Irving and Calvin love. on the team he didn't win another championship until they create the bubble. He hand-picked ad and some of the other players so you see he hand pick recruit all these players on his own and he still not better than Michael. Jordan.
@abualzuaree 3 жыл бұрын
I'm with Nick but man he looked like he was about to cry LMAO this debate was hilarious
@jimmyb4361 3 жыл бұрын
All facts💯
@unintentionaleffectiveness4393 3 жыл бұрын
Im not with nick but these arguments get him in his feelings like nothing else and I’m here for it tbh lol
@jalensmith6127 3 жыл бұрын
Lol, dude looked like he was gonna burst into tears. He’s too attached to Lebron
@jimmyb4361 3 жыл бұрын
@@jalensmith6127 he passionate about his job that’s all.
@jalensmith6127 3 жыл бұрын
@@jimmyb4361 I think he’s more “passionate” about Lebron. I guess you’re right because obsessing over and defending Lebron is his job.
@vegastjg 3 жыл бұрын
Chris totally forgot Dwight Howard, a surefire Hall of Famer, when he talked about Lakers Hall of Famers.
@davidjames6036 3 жыл бұрын
lol u talking bout this year ???? howard was bench scrub......hall of famer is counted when u are playing like a hall of famer not for washed up players lmaoooooooo......lakers had 2 - bron and AD.......melo is not a hall of famer on blazers like was for nuggets and knicks lolol
@andrewbranson4874 3 жыл бұрын
Yes? But Dwight was a bum, HOF Dwight hasn't made an appearance in 1,000 years.
@jobertaddun6635 3 жыл бұрын
Wildes and brandon laughing at nick like they got any valid point to throw at him.
@RyceNBeenz 3 жыл бұрын
I think everyone who has their opinion of who the GOAT is isn’t changing their mind, whether it’s Lebron or Jordan. At this point, everything Lebron does is just gonna make it harder for anyone else to join the discussion.
@brentt8940 3 жыл бұрын
Same goes for nick wright. He mind was already made up
@JahleelX-xx9wd 3 жыл бұрын
@nabil chowdhury and mj fans do the exact same thing
@crotchkicker666 3 жыл бұрын
IMO, if LeBron gets a fifth ring, they’re dead even
@JahleelX-xx9wd 3 жыл бұрын
@nabil chowdhury yea but what nick is saying and doing is only because mj fans do that with LeBron but I get what you're saying. Nick has never said those things up until now. Maybe except for the pippen thing. He was just pointing out the double standard.
@runekingthor9411 3 жыл бұрын
Everything nick said was facts.
@wyattps4440 3 жыл бұрын
Kevin Wildes talking about AD, forgetting that Pippen said LeBron is better than MJ
@serenitynow8518 3 жыл бұрын
Out of context. But anyway, when asked who he would choose as his teammate, he picked Jordan. Cant argue with 6 rings.
@wyattps4440 3 жыл бұрын
@@serenitynow8518 “out of context” lmao “Michael Jordan is probably the greatest scorer to play the game, but I may go as far as to say LeBron James may be the greatest player to ever play the game because he is so potent offensively that not only can he score at will but he keeps everybody involved. You have to be on your Ps and Qs on defense. No guy on the basketball court is not a threat to score with LeBron James out there. Not only will LeBron dominate from the offensive end as well, but he's also doing it on the defensive end, which really makes him the complete package. He's able to get in those passing lanes, shoot those gaps and create transition opportunities where he is pretty much unstoppable.” -Scottie Pippen, when asked how LeBron James and Michael Jordan compare to each other. (For context)
@J972M 3 жыл бұрын
@@wyattps4440 lol checkmate
@raptorskawhiisgoated807 3 жыл бұрын
@@wyattps4440 Yeah I hear you meanwhile all that greatness still needed D Wade and Bosh to win 2 then Kyrie and Kevin Love to win 1 and AD to win another which amounts to 4 Mj needed 1 other all star in Pippen for 1 3 peat then Pippen and Rodman for another 3 peat people forget Mj dominated a league that was dominated by super teams and the big man he is the first and only guard before and after to do such a thing at 6'6 with the league rules being way different Lebron is 6'9 plays in a league that gives techs for smaccing the baccbroad after dunking and still manage to go 4-6 take away KD'S super Warriors team still will have him 4-4 let's be honest Pippen said Lebron is better because in certain things he is but if we being honest Pippen is jealous of Mj because he knows as much as people say Mj needed Pippen, Pippen needed Mj as well 94 Pippen went no where and in 95 he asked Mj to come bacc and they took a young dominate Magic team to 6 and that was without a full season of Mj 💯, Mj is a better player on both ends of the court but Lebron is by far a better passer 👍🏼
@hadanokuroi 3 жыл бұрын
@@wyattps4440 he has since backtracked many times over to say MJ is the GOAT. Many times.
@ragejohnson1567 3 жыл бұрын
Chris literally acts like MJ career didn't start until '91. Why does he ignore everything before that?
@futurekillerful 3 жыл бұрын
the same reason Bron is GOAT people ignore the fact that he wasn't winning all those years in Cleveland or all those years vs golden state
@kevinodonnell230 3 жыл бұрын
Bron took 9 years to win a chip. Jordan took 6. Remember he was out most of his 2nd season with broken foot. Also bron has to join a super team to break through, mj never did that. Look up the stats all you want all they say is mj was better.
@ragejohnson1567 3 жыл бұрын
@@futurekillerful Bro nobody ignores that, people always bring up how lebron was 3-6 in the finals and how he had to go to miami to win
@ragejohnson1567 3 жыл бұрын
@@kevinodonnell230 Jordan never needed to change teams because they actually knew how to build a team around him. The bulls gave Jordan HOF'ers, the cavs gave lebron Mo Williams.
@thomaslee2558 3 жыл бұрын
@@ragejohnson1567 nothing wrong with leaving clev it’s how he did it and why join two other superstars why chase a player who already won Atleast go to another team with another superstar who’s never won either cheap ring
@hammyboi1 3 жыл бұрын
Nick Wright does have a great point every one just counts Jordan's 6 ring years.
@richardnewsome2324 3 жыл бұрын
MJ even in the series he’s lost was still the BEST players. Nick pointed out that Bron brought a team with no All Stars to the Finals. Bron got swept by that team and he wasn’t the best player on the floor. The difference is Bron didn’t have to face the Spurs in the first round. MJ faced the Celtics twice in the first round whose won the chip those years and than faced the Pistons in the first round whose won the chip. Imagine if Bron would have faced the Warriors and the Spurs in the first round during his first 7 years with the Cavs. MJ faced these teams his first 3 seasons and still was the BEST player on the court.
@vincentjack735 3 жыл бұрын
That's all they got left. LBJ has destroyed their childhood fantasy and they hate him for it
@vincentjack735 3 жыл бұрын
@@richardnewsome2324 sounds like to me mJ gets passes and and LBJ Don't. So what. He played who was there to play whenever he played them. He lost. He lost. If you're not gonna give exemption to LeBron about whom he faced then Mike gets none either
@abbasbature3668 3 жыл бұрын
Vincent Jackson yeah but MJ never lost a final to a team he was better than, LBJ lost to Dallas in 2011, even though he had 2 all stars, he got outplayed by a 33 year old bench player, which was Jason Terry and lost to the spurs in 5 games, with a 15 point record margin, MJ has never lost a final to a team the bull were better than.
@jdtoledo 3 жыл бұрын
dude ask all the superstars including Lebron who played in the NBA how hard it is to win a championship when your are the leader of the team. That's why titles matter in the GOAT debate.
@funsize198 3 жыл бұрын
Yo, Nick actually made a good argument. AD is from Chicago and he doesn't want to rule out the possibility of going back to the Bulls. lol
@jacobwiley3215 3 жыл бұрын
When Jordan gets the Lebron treatment he don’t look so shiny. I mean his head still glistens but that’s about it
@obed5oa 3 жыл бұрын
Fax
@Marrab2 3 жыл бұрын
He looks shiny not winning without pippen is stupid 1. MJ only played 2 seasons without Pippen so pippen was part of the losing 2.the bulls were rebuilding new teammates and coach and new system takes time but after 2 seasons with new roster they never lost again
@TheRiggedBA 3 жыл бұрын
Jacob Wiley - Exactly.
@TheRiggedBA 3 жыл бұрын
@G-man I have a few videos in mind. I'm not sure which ones I'm going to do first yet though.
@detroitcity27 3 жыл бұрын
Wat treatment jordan getting that lbj is.
@kbwoo8871 3 жыл бұрын
Nick Wright been winning this debate for years now idc how you feel about the GOAT discussion, he’s just a better debater😂
@sabryspot 3 жыл бұрын
@nabil chowdhury No all he said was facts, consider 15 years not 6, consider a great team jordan has really superteam in an era with no super teams, in my opinion if we replaced barkley or malone with mj, the bulls at least will get 4 chips
@erikpuka2627 3 жыл бұрын
The EAST was so weak during Lebrons time-they had to change the All Star Game format.They were going to change the playoff format too but Lebron begged to Adam Silver not to.Adam had the plan in place.Just couldnt execute it cause Lebron wanted to not have a playoff conferences shuffle.
@trentirvin2008 3 жыл бұрын
erik puka as was the east during jordans run. If you ever actually listen
@ramseytomo123 3 жыл бұрын
@@sabryspot youre saying the bulls were a superteam with jordan and scottie. Then what about lebron dwade and bosh or lebron kyrie and love. And now Lebron and AD.
@edwarddavid-bermudez4553 3 жыл бұрын
@@ramseytomo123 your missing the point
@VelhaGuardaTricolor 3 жыл бұрын
8:00 Jordan scored 50 points then went into the playoffs to face the MAGIC and choked like a girl eating a pretzel. JORDAN total MELTDOWN - Missing FTs, Airballing, Turning the ball over, etc...
@dominoowens5116 2 жыл бұрын
Not a choke 🤷🏽♂️
@wadegill1899 Жыл бұрын
After he turned his whole body into a baseball body and came in late season. There are better arguments you could make
@VelhaGuardaTricolor Жыл бұрын
@@wadegill1899 EXCUSES!
@longlivetheblackmamba2-8-24 2 жыл бұрын
This will forever be my favorite argument on the discussion. In this debate both arguments are forced on aspects outside of rings and fake narratives. Chris saying “Jordan had no weaknesses in his game” is an amazing argument nobody ever says
@bobbyd1632 2 жыл бұрын
problem is thought that every point of Nicks either lacks too much context to be credible or is a straight up lie, like how the East (post 1991) had 3x teams (other than the Bulls) with multiple HOF players
@yahiakamel2747 Жыл бұрын
Jordan did have weaknesses. He gambled far too often on steals and often left the defender open. He was a poor 3 point shooter even for his era. He didn’t use his passing ability enough because he was an underrated playmaker but he took too many shots. Every player has weaknesses
@MrClebophd Жыл бұрын
@@yahiakamel2747 Agreed. There are more weaknesses. MJ didn't trust his teammates to make a shot, so he kept shooting. He also gambled way too much outside the game, which arguably put him out of the league. Also, when claiming that the stage was too big for anyone - that's just an interpretation. When MJ fumbled and turned the ball over against the Magic when they lost, MJ fans simply just ignore that. For some reason, MJ has gotten a series of free passes on his shortcomings. Everyone has weaknesses, MJ fans simply choose to ignore them. I also think that this is a definitional problem. What do people mean when they say "Greatest"? Is it the one with most championship wins? Best win percentage? All-time achievements? How are different achievements weighted against each other? For instance, how do you compare longevity compared to win percentage? If you have a shorter successful career, then it's easier to have a higher win percentage. It's because people are irrational and biased these things get confused, and the debate goes on forever.
@carterbilbro4615 3 жыл бұрын
Chris, so we can assume the stage was too big for LeBron but when MJ performs worse we can't assume???
@jimmyb4361 3 жыл бұрын
Right
@joshuajames3453 3 жыл бұрын
@@jimmyb4361 lol excatly wtf
@darrellwilkins9866 3 жыл бұрын
It never happened
@firstlast9916 3 жыл бұрын
Darrell Wilkins Jordan scored 18 points in a first round playoff game against the Celtics. He lost. Jordan went 9-25 in game 7 against the pacers in 1998. Kukoc bailed him out with 7-11 in that game. Pippen also bailed him out a bunch of times.
@sw120 3 жыл бұрын
@@firstlast9916 then what is scoring 8 points vs a team in the finals against a team that shouldn't have even been there? Bron's is no doubt on NBA's Mt Rushmore but he's far from passing Jordan imo
@dieselx506 3 жыл бұрын
Right, cause Twitter polls and barbershop talks are the epitome of high IQ LMFAO
@channingbanks5786 3 жыл бұрын
Nick dropping bars💯🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@thegreatone9850 2 жыл бұрын
What bars LAME
@derrrick7759 2 жыл бұрын
Nick Wrong lol.
@jtiller1223 3 жыл бұрын
Get em nick
@iang7244 3 жыл бұрын
@nabil chowdhury which of the 5 points were wrong? What did he rewrite?
@demetriussmith9234 3 жыл бұрын
How does nick remember all of this in his head
@mattmmixes 3 жыл бұрын
It’s an obsession
@austinslater7770 3 жыл бұрын
Research? 😂
@jacobhillis4676 3 жыл бұрын
It’s his job
@demetriussmith9234 3 жыл бұрын
@nabil chowdhury nt at all
@carterbilbro4615 3 жыл бұрын
by not being a casual and actually researching
@fluff975 3 жыл бұрын
when brandon said "make the numbers look how you want to" as a comeback at nick, he was blatantly projecting: HE is the one making the numbers look how he wants them to; 1-9 is indisputably bad in itself, he's the one re-contextualizing it to gas Jordan (it's so obvious it's hilarious)
@bogardmixtv4590 3 жыл бұрын
when nick anderson stole the ball from mj in the playoffs isnt consider a meltdown?
@guilhermevieira6010 3 жыл бұрын
nope because jordan average 31p-6r-4a on 48%fg, he did not average 18ppg or shot 35%fg like the other guy.
@skipbayless4375 3 жыл бұрын
kind of, but it ain't quite 8 points, then 17 points, then 21 points in game 4 5 and 6, while scoring an average of 2 points in the 4th quarter. MJ still averaged 31 pts on 48% shooting, that series. Nowhere near as bad as lebron's meltdown. If that's a meltdown for jordan, you just proved why hes the goat
@devdagoat2574 3 жыл бұрын
@@skipbayless4375 context. facts are jordan choked. ppl act like jordan never choked
@skipbayless4375 3 жыл бұрын
@@devdagoat2574 I ain't saying he choked, but there are levels to choking. Jordan choked on a grain of rice, Lebron choked on a cucumber in 2011. Jordan came back near the end of the season to help a 23-25 bulls team. jordan was out of shape and led the team to 24-11 when he came back. The year after the team went 72-10.
@devdagoat2574 3 жыл бұрын
@@skipbayless4375 the year after 2011 lebron was mvp and fmvp against prime kevin durant who had won 3 straight scoring titles. no doubt lebron had the tougher competition in 2012 compared to jordan in 96
@homecell1325 3 жыл бұрын
They should have a nick vs skip segment, just so nick could expose skip in ways shannon doesnt want to.
@radida98 3 жыл бұрын
Oh man you just can’t do this to skip. But it would be hilarious. Really laughed out loud while reading this
@homecell1325 3 жыл бұрын
@@radida98 cant do it, but yeah would be hella funny lol
@homecell1325 3 жыл бұрын
@@JohnJones-fn9df i believe any fan of both to be biased, maybe max to a lesser degree but yeah nick and shannon def are but nick has good stats and info
@JP-op8et 3 жыл бұрын
Nick is to easy to debunk.. The man tell half truth like it nothing
@TheRiggedBA 3 жыл бұрын
This has the potential to become an all-time rant. Nick completely dismantled these skewed Jordan talking points that never really get challenged in the media.
@christio5874 3 жыл бұрын
Bro please make more vids 🙏
@jamesmurphy4089 2 жыл бұрын
He said all that about MJ but he’s still 6-0 in the finals...think about that. Still have more rings than Bron....Never lost a finals, never been to a game 7, always been the best player on the court OFFENSIVELY & DEFENSIVELY...
@TheRiggedBA 2 жыл бұрын
@@jamesmurphy4089 And Robert Horry is still 7-0 in the Finals. Horry has more rings than Jordan. Championships are team accomplishments. How many rings you have isn't indicative of how good or bad a player you are in a team sport.
@jamesmurphy4089 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheRiggedBA was Robert Horry the number 1 scoring option on any championship team?...
@TheRiggedBA 2 жыл бұрын
@@jamesmurphy4089 Not at all, and he still got more rings. Which, again, shows how meaningless rings are in a player comparison.
@johnnygarlics3540 3 жыл бұрын
This was an Ether to Chris Broussard. It's hard for me to pick one over the other because they are my favorite players but everything here is straight up facts
@brentt8940 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah nick and skip are pretty bad
@AR-zm8kd 3 жыл бұрын
If LBj would had lost there is no goat convo.... if he wins, oh i don't matter. Lmao. Haters will always hate. LBJ is BY FAR a better all around player than MJ. As the stats indicate. Case freaking closed
@AR-zm8kd 3 жыл бұрын
@nabil chowdhury well. Stats indicate that. More points. Rebounds. Assists. 3s. Etc. Only stat MJ is better at is free throws. Lebron still has 3 seasons left, by then , he will be ahead by 8k points. 6k rebounds. 6 k assists. And a shitload more 3s, blocks and steals. . So yeah. By far
@nickyborda3986 3 жыл бұрын
MJ HAS 0 triple doubles in the finals how is he better all around than LBJ who has 11!!
@AD-eq4kn 3 жыл бұрын
I like the 1-9 without pippen but nobody mentions the teams that jordan has played!!
@AD-eq4kn 3 жыл бұрын
@@nickyborda3986 stats are overrated!
@BlackOwnedDollars 3 жыл бұрын
So Bron went from arguably 6-8 to now being 5th. Oh okay
@ryanestabrooke111 3 жыл бұрын
As a Lakers fan and a Jordan fan, Nick brought some serious heat to Chris and Chris responded poorly. I’m all for this debate. Honestly, idk who’s goat. Nick presented great points, what it comes down to is really preference.
@Mercurial. Жыл бұрын
It was lot of waffling Nick made that and u are a LBJ choke fan and not a MJ fan or let alone even an NBA FAN! So let me rebuttal some of them "great points" u thought Nick W did .... 1. MJ a loser without Scottie? MJ played ALONE with 🗑️ teams vs HOF TEAMS that won Championships during the BEAST EAST in the 80's and yet MJ was the best player in the league! 2. Ate at MJ watch? NOBODY ate at MJ watch as that starts with ur 1st Finals apparences until ur last and MJ was from 91-93 (retired in between) 96-98 so thats 2 different 3PEATS! U welcome and stay out of basketball 🏀
@mobeasley8577 11 ай бұрын
Nick was just nit picking. The Eastern Conference was very tough in the 80s, Jordan didn't have the team around him to compete yet. That is what people forget about in these debates; it is a team game. Jordan's ascension to the top was much tougher than what Lebron had to go through. That is another reason why MJ is the GOAT.
@jrsmith1998 8 ай бұрын
No. Lebron is the GOAT. Doesn’t matter what anyone prefers
@ryanestabrooke111 8 ай бұрын
Nah because you could butcher the argument that lebron is the goat. It fs is a preference.@@jrsmith1998
@dimitrythomas4158 3 жыл бұрын
Some facts that might hurt Nicks feelings Lebron and Kobe Played a combined 37 Seasons in the league, with a combined 16 Hall of Fame teammates, to combine for 6 Finals MVPs 5 Regular Season MVPs 3 Scoring titles 0 DPOY Jordan Played 13 seasons with the Bulls, with a total of 2 Hall of Fame teammates, and won 6 Finals MVPs 5 MVPs 10 scoring titles 1 DPOY
@SalRubino82 8 күн бұрын
THATS A NICE TRY ALTHOUGH HALF OF THOSE HALL OF FAMERS WERENT HOF CALIBER WHEN LEBRON PLAYED WITH THEM KOBE DID YES JORDAN HAD PRIME HOF GUYS
@supadavedmg4490 3 жыл бұрын
Masterful work from my man nick today this was well played 💯
@nikosvault 3 жыл бұрын
"played" indeed.
@JP-op8et 3 жыл бұрын
Nick told a bunch of half truths
@derrrick7759 2 жыл бұрын
Nick Wrong lol
@thetruth-gy2lc 3 жыл бұрын
Nick added Hakeem, Drexler, Shaq, Kobe, Duncan & Robinson when Jordan was retired 😩🤣😂 this generation will run with any lie
@lifechanging9844 3 жыл бұрын
Shaq, Kobe,Duncan, Robinson happened when he went to the wizards and Hakeem, Drexler was when the bulls lost to Orlando and MJ avg 32 a game in that series
@LeChina 3 жыл бұрын
Nah he was right actually Jordan played in 1995, 2002 and 2003 when those guys won titles you all just pretend he didn’t lmao.
@thetruth-gy2lc 3 жыл бұрын
@@LeChina y’all counting a season when he came back for 20 gms? And the 39-40 yr old Wizards years? Lmfao what a reach
@LeChina 3 жыл бұрын
@@thetruth-gy2lc Just pointing out the ridiculous double standards that exist when scrutinizing Lebron’s career vs MJ’s that’s all
@jacksonraisbeck1934 3 жыл бұрын
@@thetruth-gy2lc Those Wizards Years Were Only His 14th & 15th Seasons Though. LeBron If He Ever Becomes The Undisputed GOAT will because of His Longevity & Consistent Dominance. Jordan Playing 3 Years in College Compared To LeBron Being 1st Team in The NBA At The Same Age in His 3rd Season, & Him Retiring Twice Due To Mental & Physical Fatigue After 3 Straight Finals while LeBron Has Made 9 Finals in 10 Years Has To Count In The Debate & Because Of Those Things, It Led To Jordan Finishing His 15th Season At 40, But Like I Said, The Fact That It Was Only His 15th Season Compared To LeBron Playing 17 Straight Has To Be A Pro For LBJ. Now I Agree Saying That Players During Those Years Won Championships "On His Watch" Is A Little Misleading & The Magic Series Is A Bit Of A Reach As Well, But Those Seasons Have To Count Towards His Resume & Players Made The Finals Those Years With Him In The NBA So Its Not A Fabricated Statement.
@PaperCutRhymesPhD 3 жыл бұрын
The argument for Jordan is always that his career was 6 years long and he won 6 times lol. Say what you will, but never talking about Jordan's failures is a disservice to every other player that ever suited up in the NBA. In truth we see these debates all the time, but no one ever sets the tone by how we are defining "greatest." What does that word actually mean and how is it truly measured?
@irishecker 3 жыл бұрын
exactly what I think!
@hananlevis-betancourt7362 3 жыл бұрын
Saed Hill i think it should be measured by how valuable the player is to his team and i think without question lebron is more valuable
@JahleelX-xx9wd 3 жыл бұрын
@@hananlevis-betancourt7362 and anybody with common sense would see that is what it actually means. If u are more valuable to your team then I don't see how u aren't a better player.
@suntansuperman26 2 жыл бұрын
Well Jordan does have the most accolades.
@jahleelx9270 2 жыл бұрын
@@suntansuperman26 actually he doesn't. Kareem does.
@andrewbrosius1791 3 жыл бұрын
I love this Nick Wright take!! 😂
@2sexy4you6996 3 жыл бұрын
“When Jordan won no one else did” great point Chris!
@drk.i.a.2969 2 жыл бұрын
Thsts obvious when you win that means someone lost. It's a self fulfilling statement.
@youngerudit2524 2 жыл бұрын
bro didn't Hakeem win a ring sweeping the guys who sent Jordan home in 95?? like was it a movie and not reality????
@Tojohiruma Жыл бұрын
That’s factually false, hakeem won the year Jordan came back, like your point is legit false information lol
@milo6011 Жыл бұрын
@@youngerudit2524 lol jordan got sent home by 23 yo shaq and 23 yo second year in the league penny when he scored 50 in the garden they said “he’s bacc” when he got whooped by the magic they said “he was rusty” 😂😂😂😂
@youngerudit2524 Жыл бұрын
@@milo6011 THANK YOU. I truly hate this delusional worship of mj. People say he was undeafeated and nobody won during his era because he’s "6-0 in the final" but the truth is bro couldn’t make the final one of those years and it had nothing to do with baseball considering he beat that same team he lost to the next year,while not playing as good as when he lost.
@rodrigobarba930 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry had to pause it after Jordan was called a total loser without Pippen. Nick Wright makes no sense. I'm out.
@evh4611 3 жыл бұрын
I am a HUGE MJ fan. Huge. But let's face it, LBJ will have all personal records when it's all said and done
@rolent23 3 жыл бұрын
Kareem already had the stats whats your point bro? MJ is the GOAT and after LBJ retires this debate will go away just like it did with Kobe and the media will hype the next person to take their shot at MJ.
@mikep1379 3 жыл бұрын
@@rolent23 lol who’s taking shots at mj?
@debking3064 3 жыл бұрын
Do you really think if Jordan didn't want all the records he would have them he didn't care
@rolent23 3 жыл бұрын
@@mikep1379 It was Kobe first getting his shot, next Lebron and after him we will see who the media wants to give the next shot to.
@CH-ud4ee 3 жыл бұрын
Lebron had stats to shoot for and he has been aiming and jordan stats so he can be the goat Jordan just got bored and retired and unretired
@Nixxtrr 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Nick Wright. These are facts that every "Air head" ignores. They make out Jordan only played 6 seasons with the 6-0 argument. Imagine how his resume would look if Pippen didn't sign that ridiculous contract? And signing Dennis Rodman, the guy who helped destroy the Bulls seems to fly under the radar as well. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Jordan fan but there is soo much smoke and mirrors people need to look past...
@JP-op8et 3 жыл бұрын
I bet 1k dollars you never even seen Jordan play a game in you life, that didn't take place on KZfaq. The 2011 nba finals removes Lebron from anything GOAT related
@jacobfarley247 2 жыл бұрын
Finally someone who knows what they’re talking abt
@jacobfarley247 2 жыл бұрын
@@JP-op8et u really like to ignore mj’s failures tho 😂
@gwarfanatik Жыл бұрын
@@jacobfarley247 When did MJ fail in the Finals?
@abbasbature3668 8 ай бұрын
Well wade, Bosh, kyrie, Anthony Davis, we’re all better than scotie piping? MJ didn’t form a superteam, if mJ wanted to chase rings, he would have teamed up with Phil Jackson when he went to lakers but didn’t, Scotty only averaged 20 points and never won any ring without MJ and MJ had scoring Titles and LBJ east was so horrible, thats y he kept getting swept, even in 2009 when LBJ won his 1st MVP there was a commercial highlighting LBJ vs KObe finals, only for LBJ to get eliminated by Orlando margic in the conference finals, Dhight Hayward, Kobe destroyed that Orlando team in jist 5 games
@ChroniclerOfJudah 3 жыл бұрын
espn also ran a pole after the last dance, who was the tallest player ever? Jordan won that with 83 percent of the vote, it's popularity not factual.
@JahleelX-xx9wd 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@carterbilbro4615 3 жыл бұрын
and he won who was the better passer
@SkinsFan902 3 жыл бұрын
No way this happened.... link or it's cap
@jacksonraisbeck1934 3 жыл бұрын
No Way
@PaperCutRhymesPhD 3 жыл бұрын
Right...remember when ESPN or whatever showed that poll result that MJ was the greatest college player of all time lmao? These polls are so stupid.
@JBuck8319 3 жыл бұрын
Nick Told the Absolute Truth! 💯
@ta4life27 3 жыл бұрын
No he did not
@Sf75178 2 жыл бұрын
Nick Wrong is a pathetic excuse for an analyst
@Xxxxxx28302 11 ай бұрын
@@ta4life27wtf are u listening to 😭
@mlamulikatide6853 3 жыл бұрын
People make too much of Jordan's 3-peat. Of the three 3-peats, the common thread was The Great Phil Jackson. Phil proved that the 3-peat success was repeatable, without MJ. Nick makes a great point that Jordan never got far without Pippen. However, Pippen got to the conference finals without MJ, and got success with the Blazers too. When Jordan retired that Bulls team was still great. But when LeBron leaves a team, they don't even make playoffs for years!
@nothingspecial8114 Жыл бұрын
the Heat tbf made the playoffs only a year after LeBron left and would’ve made it the year he did leave but Wade and Bosh especially missed 20+ games. Them loss of LeBron didn’t drop them off the map completely
@Iggy52 Жыл бұрын
Pippen did nothing for the Blazers. And Cavs stripped down the whole roster after Lebron left the 1st time. Get your facts together bro.
@abbasbature3668 8 ай бұрын
pipin is not better than wade, Bosh, kyrie and Anthony Divis, scotie averaged 20 points and MJ didn’t go and join superteams after Chicago and LBJ east was too weak, coz in 2007 the real finals was in the western conference and Phil Jackson didn’t treepeat twice, after the bulls and Miami still made deep playoff runs After LBJ left and if to say LBJ was in the west, in his early career he won’t make it past the 1st round, Sprur, Lakers, Phoenix, when he didn’t have any help, that’s y 2018 Rockets took warriors to 7 games, and LBJ got swept, and Tim Dunkan, almost swept Lebron in 2014, by the biggest margin, in a final’s history with an average margin of 18 points, b4 he ran back to Cleveland when wade and bosh started declining, b4 the warriors took over.
@alphonsothomas7141 3 жыл бұрын
Nick the truth, omg! Dude a boss on the low!
@meshachjones6909 3 жыл бұрын
Nick always keeps it a stack 💯💯 this man truly knows his stats.
@MeronT90 Жыл бұрын
Nick Wrong
@bencarter8423 Жыл бұрын
@@MeronT90 He knows his stats, but everything he said doesn’t matter. He said MJ never beat Bird, but completely ignored the fact that Bird had 4 other hall of famers playing with him. That while MJ was mostly by himself and was a baby. That’s like criticizing LeBron for losing in 2007 to the Spurs.
@willwes985 3 жыл бұрын
Nick destroyed them sorry 🤷🏾♂️
@nikosvault 3 жыл бұрын
a well prepared liar for sure.
@joslynrodrigues 3 жыл бұрын
Nick didnt destroy nobody bro. Nick got owned by all of them. His facts make no sense. Look at all of them laughing when nick speaks.. Its like Lebron pays this guy to talk good about him. Its so evident bro.
@willwes985 3 жыл бұрын
@@joslynrodrigues and it’s like Jordan payed all the rest because let them tell it Jordan did no wrong when there’s plenty of proven facts that’s not true 🤦🏾♂️
@alexiswilliams1492 3 жыл бұрын
Will Wes he destroyed himself. Pippen was a bench player getting 6 ppg the first year Jordan went to the eastern conference finals. Duncan , Robinson, shaq, Kobe won when Jordan was 40, drexler, Hakeem won when he retired. That’s a joke. Jordan never lost once he got one all star. Lebron lost 5 finals with atleast 2 other active all stars on his team. That’s the difference
@thelionsshare9994 2 жыл бұрын
Nick Wright just killed it!
@Sf75178 2 жыл бұрын
Nick Wrong is a pathetic excuse for an analyst
@mikepanton 3 жыл бұрын
LeBron's weakness is passing it to an open all-time great 3 point shooter
@vinnythewebsurfer 3 жыл бұрын
MJ’s weakness was pretty Obvious, he’s just like every other great player that still needed to have a team built around him And system to be the Cog of. Jordan never was his own system outside of ball hog to death, that’s what it was in Chicago before Jackson and Pippen came to town. Only people that pay attention to the 6 championship runs don’t understand that Jordan was mortal.
@futurekillerful 3 жыл бұрын
that's not a weakness lol... If you want to win you should play within a system....players like Bron and Wilt that decided to be the system never dominated their era...heck Wilt only won when he adjusted his game and played within a system. I'll give Bron credit tho...he's prob the only player to be able to win anything without adjusting his game whatsoever really lol...but it ultimately limited how much he could have won...
@CRMdrifter 3 жыл бұрын
It's possible that everyone will just trash this comment so I'm just gonna say it. Thanks for saying this and I agree
@JahleelX-xx9wd 3 жыл бұрын
@@futurekillerful agreed but LeBron has that over any player in history. And also u can't say they didn't dominate their eras. Because they did. Though sometimes it is to his detriment.
@dewayne33us 3 жыл бұрын
Everyone needs a team built around them to win. No one wins without a team. Wilt Chamberlain didn't win without it, neither did Michael Jordan, nor Magic Johnson and neither did Lebron James. You need a team to win a championship.
@CRMdrifter 3 жыл бұрын
@@dewayne33us but you can make a case that lebron has done better than anyone else when he hasn't had a co star
@J972M 3 жыл бұрын
Nick really just destroyed all 4 of them by himself lol imagine if he had unc with him
@Tgmagic99 3 жыл бұрын
No he didt
@J972M 3 жыл бұрын
@@Tgmagic99 yeah, he definitely did
@donteajones2638 3 жыл бұрын
He gave all facts like Chris said you have to nit pick and you have to do the same with Jordan yes Jordan had to 3 peats but you can’t act like nobody never won rings when Jordan was in the league that fair especially if made the playoffs and lost it still happened
@vincentjack735 3 жыл бұрын
@@Tgmagic99 Use logic not emotions and feelings
@deshawndodd7883 3 жыл бұрын
@@J972M He Definitely Didn't
@brandonsaunders5892 3 жыл бұрын
LeBron would have won more Championships but he ran into possibly one of the greatest teams ever the Golden State Warriors 4 years in a row....
@yotoulminville8705 3 жыл бұрын
Thank u...
@theyoistikertrapiz5184 3 жыл бұрын
Facts!
@JahleelX-xx9wd 3 жыл бұрын
Not to mention that team was formed because of him.
@saad1008 3 жыл бұрын
Because of weak KD
@tylers9476 3 жыл бұрын
@False Email straight facts!
@tyronethreat366 3 жыл бұрын
How ages from 16 to 34 going say Jordan the 🐐 😂 they never even really seen him play. I’m 32 and don’t remember Jordan playing before 95
@ChannelTENthousandBC 2 жыл бұрын
I always came back to watch The Great Nick breakdown a situatuon in less than 5 minutes
@adamkrauss8094 3 жыл бұрын
We seriously need a televised debate between Nick and either Chris or Skip
@EricMcBride323 3 жыл бұрын
@PRIME SHAQ Chris has better knowledge, Skip more entertaining and biased lol.
@macbenzo1677 3 жыл бұрын
My man Nick with The SMACK DOWN !!!!
@user-hu8tq2fh8k 3 жыл бұрын
Man, that was awesome. I Love Jordan, but Nick just killed the narrative point. Lbj is the Goat.
@katsu_papi 3 жыл бұрын
go get 'em Nick!!
@kingeriq 3 жыл бұрын
How do you nitpick lebron but don’t nitpick Jordan? I don’t understand how this goat debate works. Downplay everything lebron does so Jordan can keep his goat status? That’s basically what it sounds like
@jahleelx9270 2 жыл бұрын
Yea pretty much. The only arguments that ppl use is 6 finals losses. The best argument against lebron for goat is 2011. In fact that's truly the only real valid argument.
@wilson.omoniyi 3 жыл бұрын
this session will forever be known as Nick wright's greatest show ever. He absolutely torched Chris 'LEBRAWN' Broussard
@ultraego1892 Жыл бұрын
11:26 when lechock's team hoping to superteams comes out nick's voice cracks lmaooooooooooo
@jalensmith6127 3 жыл бұрын
Nick loves using out of context stats. Here’s some you could use against Lebron. -Pippen averaged 7.9 points a game his first year and 10 in the playoffs. Jordan averaged 42 in their first series together that they won. Larry Hughes, Donnell Marshal, and Ronald Murray all averaged more in Lebron’s first playoff series he won. -Jordan won 6 titles with 1 player making 6 All Star games with him. That was Pippen. Bosch and Wade made 8 total alone from 2010-2014 with the Heat. Lebron only won 2 in those 4 years. -Lebron has never won a NBA title without at least 2 HOF players on his roster or at least 2 Prime All Star players. Jordan won 3 with 1 All Star/HOF and another 3 with 2 HOF. And never lost with them in a full season. -Jordan never lost a playoff series in a season he started, where he had an All Star player on his roster. Lebron lost to 1 All Star(Dirk) with 2 Prime All Stars on his team. -Lebron is 0-8 in shots to tie or take the lead in the last 20 seconds of finals games. -Lebron James teammates have played in a combined 47 All Star games. Jordan’s teamates played in 11. -Lebron James has played with 10 players who will be in the Hall of fame. Jordan played with 2.
@Ryan-tu4gi 3 жыл бұрын
That’s weird. Lebron fans make it seem like Pippen was better than 2019 Kawhi his rookie year and carried Jordan.
@jalensmith6127 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ryan-tu4gi Lol, these stans are delusional
@dimitrythomas4158 3 жыл бұрын
Be careful with facts. Lebron stans are gonna start crying like Nick
@benidiasonama654 3 жыл бұрын
Just facts🙌 jordan get kicked off 6 times in playoffs(and was not even able to win a conference chip knowing that te east was weak too back in days) till pippen bicame allstar and The greatest coach of all time(🙌)took the command of his team. He never won when his team was not the best time in the league. But he was still the best player on the league all those years. That show you that if you want to win a chip u have to built the better team out of all the league. So why when its come to lebron u talking about all the finals he loose knowing evrytime his team get kicked off the playoffs(including finals) his team wasnt the better team(except in 2011, the only time it happen) but he was putting great number in all other time he gets kicked off(The same with MJ). MJ never chocked statistically while having a good team. Lebron does, one time only. But considering the facts lebron does exactly what jordan did back in day(dominate evry year and win the year his team is the best) longer than MJ prove that we can put him above MJ🤔
@dimitrythomas4158 3 жыл бұрын
@@benidiasonama654 that wasn’t that coherent but ok. You missed the whole point. The ridiculous defense of “Jordan only won when he had the best team” is ridiculous. They were the best team in the league because of him an show dominate he was. He didn’t need a team stacked with All Stars. He just needed one all star. And Phil Jackson won Championships only because he had Jordan for 6 and Shaq/Kobe / 3, Kobe/Gasol 2. Spolstra getting to a game 6 was as impressive than any single season Phil had. Larry Brown and Carslile are the only coaches to win a chip without a stacked team. Larry Brown was a better coach than Phil.
@wbbb1256 3 жыл бұрын
How the narrative changes in favor of MJ Chris: No one won rings on MJs watch Nick: *Names players that won rings while MJ was in the league* Chris: I meant once he started winning 🥱
@vintagemonte 3 жыл бұрын
When was Lebron’s era of dominance across the nba?
@dg1268 3 жыл бұрын
@@vintagemonte the entire LAST decade
@oblivious37 3 жыл бұрын
Once I won championships no one was champion 🤔🤷♂️
@UnexpectedWonder 3 жыл бұрын
Hakeem "the Dream", but they don't want to talk about that. 😏😏
@ferrarstokes7115 3 жыл бұрын
Kobe,shaq,duncan,and robinson won when he was 40 years old on the wizards and hakeem won after his dad died and he went to play baseball. Nick Wright is Nick wrong as always
@mikepanton 3 жыл бұрын
Jordan also had a really good team that stayed together for all those years
@crotchkicker666 3 жыл бұрын
The competition LeBron faced has to be absolutely considered. LeBron faces multiple super teams, 08 Celtics, 2013-14 spurs, 2016-17 warriors and beat them all at some point. Jordan never beat the big three Celtics or the bad boy pistons, and never faced another dynasty level team when he went on his title run.
@skipbayless4375 3 жыл бұрын
lol, Lebron formed superteams himself, i have no sympathy for him losing to other superteams. He picked his players. Lebron also had some pathetic eastern conferences
@guilhermevieira6010 3 жыл бұрын
@@skipbayless4375 08 celtics and 2014 spurs were not superteams and lebron played on superteams himself. Jordan sweept the bad boys pistons.
@Shady00018 3 жыл бұрын
That's because MJ kept teams from being Dynasties by beating them. Two three-peats! You know how hard it is to 3-peat? Even the Warriors failed to do that.
@devdagoat2574 3 жыл бұрын
@@Shady00018 yea against what competition? what team in the EAST did jordan play with hall of famers?
@devdagoat2574 3 жыл бұрын
what team did he play with multiple hall of famers i should say
@ZombieLegacy 3 жыл бұрын
I think longevity needs to be taken into account. While MJ might’ve had the highest Peek, LeBron was better than a lot of MJs career for much longer. So it’ll probably come down to if LeBron can win any more chips.
@creed200569 Жыл бұрын
At no point was Lebron ever better than Jordan 😂 Longevity is working against Lebron because he played 6 more full seasons and he is STILLS a full HOF career behind him
@wintercold8634 Жыл бұрын
I see this a year later and I don’t think longevity is a big thing in the goat debate because if is in another sport like hockey gordie Howe should be the goat since he played in his 50s
@emmanuelzanders1746 9 ай бұрын
@@creed200569 LeBron was better than LeBron from 1988-1990 and 98-2002
@santosonly7 5 ай бұрын
He doesn’t have to. He’s won 4 with 3 DIDFERENT teams. That’s already harder than the chip Jordan won because he was on the best team. When Jordan tried to win without Scotties Bulls, he lost 100% of the time. Facts! Bron’s 4 is greater than Jordan’s easier 6
@santosonly7 5 ай бұрын
Jordan played on the greatest team in NBA history during a less skilled era. Why do you think Jordan stayed up under Phil and a Scottie. Once he found himself without the greatest teams, Jordan lost 100% of the time.
@siddharthdevendrajoshi3918 3 жыл бұрын
"They weren't wrong but they weren't strong." 🤦♂️
@masatoplay999 3 жыл бұрын
I swear even THE BIG IF Lebron ended his career with 7 rings. MJ fans will say Lebron got it easy and MJ is the GOAT. I can see this is happening after they were bashing Lebron for having lesser rings in the past lmao
@ebanks3780 2 жыл бұрын
8:30 nah got me weak😭😂
@alfarouqaminufor3892 3 жыл бұрын
98'finals pippen scored 8 points. Jordan put up 45 points, stole the ball, hit the game winner. Seems to me he did it without him. Rewind back to the 98' regular season Pippen was injured for 48 games, MJ led the bulls to the playoffs by going 36-12 without him. Rewind back to pippens 1st two seasons where he averaged 8 points per game and was a bench warmer. Yes MJ was 1-9 "without pippen", but a solo MJ went against the 67 win celtics and the bad boy pistons. Lebron couldn't even make the playoffs his first two years.
@sportstalkonly1442 2 жыл бұрын
But he won more games
@samdaman105 3 жыл бұрын
We need to stop comparing and just appreciate greatness man........
@kiokomunyao1391 3 жыл бұрын
As great as Rondo was he ain’t in his prime so to say he has multiple hall of famers is unfair.
@kiokomunyao1391 3 жыл бұрын
@RFM Recordings my point exactly
@coreycokepolk9483 3 жыл бұрын
Howard is also going to be a hof'er.
@kiokomunyao1391 3 жыл бұрын
@@coreycokepolk9483 In a couple of years people are going to say “it took 4 hofers to beat an injured heat team” completely out of context.
@coreycokepolk9483 3 жыл бұрын
@Kioko Munyao let's see how they do next year when the Warriors, Brooklyn and Clippers are all healthy. This pandemic watered-down everything.
@kiokomunyao1391 3 жыл бұрын
@@JohnJones-fn9df Maybe because he was never a scorer, and one of his all-star years he averaged 8.8 points so for him to drop to 5 isn't crazy.
@salem9341 3 жыл бұрын
Why blaming Lebron only when he lost to Dallas, he was one of big 3 with Dwain Wade and Chris Bosh, Clippers meltdown PG is being blamed and not Kawhi
@dbreiden83080 14 күн бұрын
Jordan never stopped Hakeem from winning anything Chris..
@riverjao 2 жыл бұрын
Lebron was so great that it took the first ever mega-super team overcome him at his peak. Lebron took janitors and plumbers to the Finals multiple times. MJ was getting 30-52 teams to the playoffs because the East was so weak, and then getting swept! In the 1st round. Multiple times.
@cscarly Жыл бұрын
Wasnt weak it few teams in league People miss playoff 3 for jordan by time lbj joined league 7 teams . name other players i can believe but put mj over lbj crazy . Lbj in finals in 4 years Mj just beat pacers 1st win in playoff series guess who else 1st year scottie and horace Did lbj have anybody like that no way
@abbasbature3668 8 ай бұрын
How was the east weak? When their was the Celtics with bird, New York Nicks, who made the finals in 1994 Orlando margic with shaq and penny harderwah and teams with 30-52, was because there were few teams in the 80’s at that time, LBJ took trash to the finals in 2007? Jimmy butler took undrafted g league rejects to the finals & faced better opposition than LBJ did in 2007, eliminating, Gianas, Jelen brown. LBJ didn’t even make the playoffs in his 1st 2 seasons at Cleveland and getting swept in the 1st round by The Greatest Celtics team of all time, with bird, MJ still dropped 63 points on that Boston team, LBJ had better players, wade, bosh, kyrie, Anthony Davis, Ray Allen were better than Pippin and LBJ got swept by spurs in 2007, he got outplayed by Tony Parker, got blown out of the 2014 finals with an average margin of 18 points in 5 games and no meltdown like the 2011 finals, when he got outplayed by Jason Terry, LBJ got accused of quitting against the Celtics in 2010, when he could not beat them and formed a superteam
@shawnturner2404 3 жыл бұрын
I hate the part of Chris’ argument where he says that once Jordan started winning titles, no one won on his watch. Outside of the Lakers (and even they dealt with injuries), which team did Jordan face that was superior to the Bulls in the Finals? Now granted, a big part of the reason the Bulls were better than everyone else is because they had Mike, but other teams don’t stack up. Plus, if we put Jordan in LeBron’s shoes, he doesn’t accomplish what LeBron has. Jordan would’ve beat the Mavs if he was in LeBron’s place, for sure. But Jordan wouldn’t have taken the first or last Cleveland team to the finals. Wouldn’t have made a 3-1 comeback (but it can be debated if that team would’ve been in a 3-1 deficit), he would’ve won the same championships, and lost the same ones (outside of the Mavs one I already excluded). And if LeBron was in Jordan’s place, he would’ve won the same championships, and maybe more because he wouldn’t have retired. So the Finals record argument should really die because it’s a team sport and while they were both the best players during their eras, they both didn’t face the same level of competition in the Finals
@carterbilbro4615 3 жыл бұрын
@nabil chowdhury yeah but guys literally had to be together to eat. Jordan beat 1-2 star teams
@shawnturner2404 3 жыл бұрын
@nabil chowdhury Jordan wouldn’t have been able to carry those same weak teams in a weak conference. The weak east is another, separate conversation. I was only talking about one part of Chris’ argument
@dannysanchez4383 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t know why you’re playing what if’s... stick to facts
@shawnturner2404 3 жыл бұрын
@@dannysanchez4383 which team did Jordan face in the finals, was better than the Bulls
@bonganimkhwanazi2081 3 жыл бұрын
O.P you spoke my mind. It's like I wrote this, but you did.
@titan708 3 жыл бұрын
LETS GO NICK
@harrychrisjames9434 3 жыл бұрын
"Jenna which city is A.D from?" "uRrRr La?.."
@lionstigersbearsohmyanimal6741 3 жыл бұрын
For someone being the goat and couldn’t win a playoff game against bird doesn’t look good to me. Not game not a game maybe he needed more practice.
@kingclampz6081 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@ianneelcamel5954 3 жыл бұрын
yeah, good argument. but once he got his first chip, he couldn't LOSE in the NBA FINALS. it wasn't bron's fault he had loses in the NBA FINALS. losing in the finals doesn't look good too.
@mogtrader8 3 жыл бұрын
@@ianneelcamel5954 LBJ got BRONZE at the world stage with our BEST. His whole career was always about teaming up and quitting and bailing, like AD did to the Pelicans.
@thedailyidiot4817 3 жыл бұрын
mogtrader8 he has two gold medals with that bronze medal🤣🤣🤣
@mogtrader8 3 жыл бұрын
@@thedailyidiot4817 Exactly, he making excuses about team mates and he got Bronze at international play. He aint win no dunk contest, nor hit any big time game winners. People just delusional to even compare. Been on record that MJ saw challengers at his time and went out and beat them.
@wyattps4440 3 жыл бұрын
Chris really saying LeBron dominated the ball more than Jordan lmaoooo
@KyleAPemberton 3 жыл бұрын
Look at their usage rates.
@abbasbature3668 8 ай бұрын
And when he said, after the Detroit pistons, the entire east at that time had only 1 team with more than 1 hall of famer, but what he didn’t mention was that every eastern team Jordan faced in the playoffs, had at least 2 all stars that averaged double digit numbers.
@johncena4096 2 жыл бұрын
Jordan fans always sound dumb “No one won on jordans watch” what about 85-90? “I meant starting in 91!” Didn’t he lose in 95 02 03 “ “Stop being a bronsexusal and jordan hater” 😂🤣🤣
@menarudo6617 3 жыл бұрын
Nick killed Chris lol
@alphonsothomas7141 3 жыл бұрын
Omg, Chris tripping, Nick got it right right righ and right!
@avonbarksdale3387 4 ай бұрын
It’s soooo crazy to me how having a HIGH BASKETBALL IQ is such a weakness knowing when to make the right play is weak?…But y’all kno basketball is a team sport is insane 🤯😂😂😂😂😂
@SDG.12 3 жыл бұрын
Nick Wright bodied Jordan with the facts.
@SeanE2daJ1 3 жыл бұрын
Nick "The Goat" Wight
@grimhunter2223 3 жыл бұрын
Jordan kept Hakeem from winning? 🤣
@hellbent7062 3 жыл бұрын
The early years when the Bulls lost against Larry Bird and lost against the Bad boy Pistons, both of those teams will tell you that even though they won... they could not stop Michael Jordan. Before the 90's, Jordan was already the best player in the league but he was on a losing team. The teams that won will tell you that their strategy to win against the Bulls was simply to beat everybody else on Jordan's team except Jordan. No one could stop Jordan from getting his 40 to 60 points even when the Bulls lost. The problem was Jordan's first coach. He had the wrong strategy which was "get Jordan the ball on every play no-matter-what" That strategy dont work because it is effectively a one man against 5 strategy. Jordan started winning when they finally built a team around him, brought in Phil Jackson to coach and switched over to the Triangle Offense which forced the team to pass the ball and forced everyone to get involved in shooting. That's why Jordan's points average went down a little when he started winning championships. I must also point out that even when Jordans shooting average went down, it was still higher than the rest of the league.
@solareclipse1884 Жыл бұрын
Nick annihilated Chris Broussard, simple as that. KO.
@johnysclip4182 3 жыл бұрын
Back in Jordan years nobody was teaming up times are different
@carterbilbro4615 3 жыл бұрын
exactly. Player empowerment. Imagine if the Sonics got Malone or something
@vincentjack735 3 жыл бұрын
LeBron gave players the power to move. Before then it wasn't so easy
@yonelaposwa4932 3 жыл бұрын
For me, people should have recognized Bron's greatness when KD had to go for the super team of all superteams just to overcome Bron. Two MVPs, two of the greatest shooters ever and so many HoFers just to beat Bron. It's mad to me that we ignore this. MJ literally had the best player in his position as his number 2. Not even talking about how they had to recruit Rodman to get past the pistons. And then when they say MJ never cracked under the pressure? He retired. He took a break. I understand that his father passed but it wasn't just that. The pressure MJ faced being the face of the league and its greatest star was a lot. He caved and took a break. Bron has faced the most scrutiny any athlete ever has and has kept going. I don't care who you have as your GOAT but let's have a honest debate. Not this nonsense
@themindofsam 3 жыл бұрын
Rodman played for the Pistons when the Bulls beat them. Rodman was apart of the 2nd 3peat.
@ultraego1892 Жыл бұрын
lmao no lechock has to team hop and join super teams to win. lechock isn't even top 5 all time.
@abbasbature3668 8 ай бұрын
Rodman was still playing for Detroit, when they got swept my Michael in 1991 conference finals, he didn’t join the bulls untill 1996 and LBJ also had to recruit Wade and bosh to beat the big 3 Celtics and when Rodman joined the bulls, he was past his prime only averaging 5 points, but he was a good rebounder and Scottie pipin never made the finals after without MJ, even after MJ retired and MJ beat more 60 win teams in the players more than any other player in history and. Most of LBJ teammates were better than scotie Pippin.
@user-js7mo3wy4z 3 жыл бұрын
How u start off w/o Scottie 😂😂
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