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Stephen Curry was missing one thing heading into this NBA season, and that was a Finals MVP. Now that he has it, is LeBron James' GOAT status in question? Nick Wright and Chris Broussard discuss whether Steph Curry winning his 4th Championship with the Golden State Warriors, and his new Finals MVP award is a threat to LeBron's GOAT status.
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@FirstThingsFirst 2 жыл бұрын

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@DillonDees 2 жыл бұрын

Don’t promote that garbage on this good show.

@olivierdavid1016 2 жыл бұрын

Lebron James is in the same conversation as Jerry West and Wilt Chamberlain. Great players that lost more then anyone.

@leonorlegaspi9130 2 жыл бұрын

@@friend1766 llllllllllllllllllllplppppppppppp

@SapphicTwist 2 жыл бұрын

@@friend1766 Maybe. My point is, Steph just finished playing the best basketball of his life, and it was on a par with anything we've ever seen. So even if we're not used to the idea yet, if Steph continues this way, and perhaps even improves, two or three years from now we may be talking about him in the GOAT conversation...

@goldcoasttv1047 2 жыл бұрын

Y’all claim lebron so great yet in the erra of his so called greatness he has lost so many titles .he teamed up with other players and win how many ? He’s great but not as y’all making him

@tjleaf3510 2 жыл бұрын

Everything everyone does “STIRS UP” the Lebron GOAT debate 😂😂

@Mercurial. 2 жыл бұрын

Because of the CHEAT Lebron done for a DECADE!

@financialkevin 2 жыл бұрын

Anything involving lebron is great for the algorithm

@UptownAlonzo 2 жыл бұрын

Somehow someway and like the comment above alluded it's great for ratings

@josephdees6929 2 жыл бұрын

@@Mercurial. go outside

@Mercurial. 2 жыл бұрын

@@josephdees6929 And u get inside, of the game!

@martymcfly8449 2 жыл бұрын

Wildes laughing in the background is one of the best parts of this show 😂

@bfromohio8181 2 жыл бұрын

So sad that even if Steph get 8 they still will find a way to hate #30 will go down in history as the new logo and get a spot above Rushmore of his own

@munir9527 2 жыл бұрын

Bryant should be the logo but your right

@fabianbrooks5955 2 жыл бұрын

So right. They will find a way to belittle Steph smh

@fabianroberts5041 Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@CastroJr92 Жыл бұрын

fanfiction 😂

@SSC_GoffProdz Жыл бұрын

@deeboywoods1571 2 жыл бұрын

The disrespect on the late great Kobe Bryant never stops!!!

@massdagod 2 жыл бұрын

The disrespect started with Kobe’s 2000, 2001, 2004 and 2008 NBA Finals performance and also his 2011 WCSF’s performance…or lack there of. Kobe Bryant, on contrary to popular belief, played below averaged to poor in the most of his Finals appearances.

@robertwoodley7475 2 жыл бұрын

So annoying

@CALI_KINGCFC 2 жыл бұрын

@@massdagod lmao you don't know ball next you gonna tell me LeBron performed well against the spurs and mavs

@mxybeyesterdaygrip2568 2 жыл бұрын

@@CALI_KINGCFC he knows his stuff. Kobe is the reason the Lakers loss to the pistons in the finals. He was very inefficient at times

@CALI_KINGCFC 2 жыл бұрын

@@mxybeyesterdaygrip2568 putting the loss to the pistons solely on Kobe does not even paint a 1/3rd of what happened that series. Let's say Kobe was the reason the Lakers weren't performing what about an answer for the pistons on defense? I blame Kobe for certain things but I can't for that

@yeahaight1163 2 жыл бұрын

Steph curry is in a Tim Duncan category for me. Both selfless leaders that helped create a great organizational culture and maybe #1 all time at their position and both deserving to be in the top 10 all time. Their organization helped them realize their best potential and leaving that organization would have an affect on them.

@bjrnthebootybandit 2 жыл бұрын

Could say that for any top player

@johnwick8516 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly Steph is the new Duncan !

@nateolison7553 2 жыл бұрын

@@bjrnthebootybandit No you can't. I'll give you 2 examples. Shaq: Didn't create a great organizational culture. He hindered it. And openly admits that because of his selfishness, his Penny and Kobe teams never reached their full potential. Lebron: Wins rings with whatever organization he sets foot in. He maximizes the potential of organizations, not the other way around.

@JuanMorenoJr 2 жыл бұрын

steph curry is going to be dramatically underrated just like tim duncan. his willingness to be unselfish is going to be used against him. his team culture is going to be used against him. it’s insane.

@bjrnthebootybandit 2 жыл бұрын

@@nateolison7553 huh? Lakers hadn't won for a decade and Shad lead them to a 3 peat. That's hindering an organisation? He moves to Miami and they win again. Aite bet

@donniet348 2 жыл бұрын

The fact that Kareem and Magic played together is never brought up. But Kd winning with steph is 😆

@donniet348 2 жыл бұрын

Funny how nick mentioned it today 😆

@seanswinton6242 Жыл бұрын

I don't have a problem with Kareem and Magic because that pairing happened organic6 through the draft. While I do have a problem with the player empowered Super team spearheaded by LeBron, I don't blame KD because his actions were a response to LeBron's. He just did it better. Had LeBron not done it snd made a spectacle of it with a 1 hour TV special with his, "Not 1, Not 2,..." KD may have stayed put or moved without noise. However, KD did it. Playing chess while LeBron played checkers. I give much respect to Giannis who truly earned his chip the old fashioned way.

@20Javon10 2 жыл бұрын

Steph Curry Is watching this and watch him win 2 to 3 more rings!!!

@blender176 2 жыл бұрын

Facts! Lol

@0168196250 2 жыл бұрын

I am seriously curious what these clowns will say when Steph got his 5th. Bronsexual will lose their mind for sure 😂

@20Javon10 2 жыл бұрын

@Aaron9 Lol excuses is a hellava drug!

@gw3psidetl679 2 жыл бұрын

Recency bias is why I hate the watching the nba sometimes. Curry draymond and all of them getting older and younger teams are emerging in the west and curry is going to win three more rings??? Curry is going to be 35 next year btw

@ndjibukabengele973 Жыл бұрын

Even if He wins more, he will still not be in the same category as LBJ for the GOAT. Steph only has one finals mvp and Lebron has 4. Curry needs to win at least 3 finals MVP and 5 championships at least.

@SSJRome 2 жыл бұрын

I thought Chris would never stop lol can’t imagine if he ended up sayin “ if Steph wins 8 rings … “ 😭😭😭

@bezzleskyhirecords5088 2 жыл бұрын

I would have threw my phone 😂😂😂💀

@asieduy 2 жыл бұрын

He really exposed the Jordan fans on that one. Imagine thinking Steph isn't the GOAT after SEVEN rings and 4 finals MVPs. Basically no human will ever be able to surpass MJ in their eyes. 🤦🏾‍♂️

@marcuscarpenter7230 2 жыл бұрын

@@asieduy yea if Steph won 7 rings and 4 fmvp and wasnt the goat or at least incredibly close idk what people expect from players

@diogoserra988 2 жыл бұрын

@@asieduy He wouldn't surpass Jordan at all tho lol

@youtuber_00786 2 жыл бұрын

@@asieduy I mean Nick wouldn't have Steph above Lebron after 6 rings and 3 FMVPs, so he exposed himself/lebron fans lmao. But 7 and 4 would lol

@yourebreakingmyballs4787 2 жыл бұрын

Everybody that watches this show is gonna become a Warriors fan just so that Nick has to reluctantly call Steph Curry the GOAT 😂😂

@thomascrowniii1693 2 жыл бұрын

No one who knows basketball is ever going to call Curry the GOAT.

@yourebreakingmyballs4787 2 жыл бұрын

@@thomascrowniii1693 what if they won 4 straight? Jordan never did that

@ursula3438 2 жыл бұрын

@@thomascrowniii1693 You could argue pound for pound he is already the GOAT. Take away MJ's hangtime and Bron's bulldozing strength, and Steph clears them.

@osc-oldschoolclips5204 2 жыл бұрын

@@ursula3438 you gotta take something away from Steph too if you’re taking from everyone else lol

@thomascrowniii1693 2 жыл бұрын

@@yourebreakingmyballs4787 Bill Russell did. No one calls him the GOAT.

@ismaelmendoza2046 Жыл бұрын

Curry 3 rings: if curry won a finals mvp we can put him on the top 10 Curry finals MVP: if curry wins another ring we can talk about him being top 10 🤦🏽‍♂️they always got something to say

@SSC_GoffProdz Жыл бұрын

@spencerj4677 2 жыл бұрын

Steph's numbers are great, his win percentage is better, and he's absolutely changed the game. He's up there with Wilt and Jordan for the most influential players.

@keithjoseph128 2 жыл бұрын

He hasn't changed the game at all. Stop the Steven A ignorance.

@spencerj4677 2 жыл бұрын

@@keithjoseph128I miss when trolls used to be funny

@keithjoseph128 2 жыл бұрын

@@spencerj4677 miss when the media didn't run fake narratives.

@martyg2333 Жыл бұрын

I would put Magic and Bird in there as most influential players. Most kids wanted to be one of them when we played pick up. Bird's shooting and Magic's passing was legendary.

@sebastianchavezzumarraga9742 11 ай бұрын

Influetial inside the game ? Jordan didnt change the game common men he just make it popular

@suv3534 2 жыл бұрын

Nicks all about nuance until it’s time to explain why MJ has more all defensive selections and DPOYs than lebron in less years 🤷‍♂️

@erikpuka2627 2 жыл бұрын

He was a way better defender than Lebron man. Just got to watch their tape and it screams. Jordan was legendary on the ball. Best non big defender I done ever seen by far. Bron a nice help defender in his prime - nothing more - nothing less. Last 5 years - he can't guard an empty room. Its not just an award thing - its an ability thing. Jordan could really do it.

@Commentsofthemonth 2 жыл бұрын

And Kobe

@derbyking8475 2 жыл бұрын

@@erikpuka2627 well Jordan only played 15 years if he played 5 more seasons u would probably say the same thing about Jordan tho lebron in his prime is a lockdown defender he should have won dpoy too

@YungLanxx 2 жыл бұрын

Those are media vote based awards lol Jordan deserved more defensive selections tbh but anyone with common sense knows Lebron was robbed of a DPOY award when Marc Gasol won it yet was not even put on the first team all defence list. Also it’s a seasonal award, Bron never had a playoffs where he wasn’t a top defender in his 19 seasons. Jordan was a more consistent defender overall but judging and comparing them based on media votes is kinda weird bruh.

@ryedye335 2 жыл бұрын

bron is an elite defender who can guard 1-5. also he was robbed of DPOY

@Bork19 2 жыл бұрын

Ring counting didn’t start for Jordan, he was widely considered the GOAT in the early 90s. The belief in the 80s was if Jordan won 1 title then he could become the GOAT. It was more widely believed after the back to back and sealed after the 3 peat

@phatch5444 2 жыл бұрын

yeah MJ wasn't the goat til basically after he retired if we being real *98

@thedudeunchained7583 Жыл бұрын

@@phatch5444 I watch the NBA since 87...MJ was the GOAT after the first 3peat.

@trtmuslimmcgregor4200 Жыл бұрын

@@thedudeunchained7583 What's crazy is that Jordan at the end of the 80's said that he basically accepted that he might not win a championship by the end of his career. Crazy to hear MJ said something that. I forgot where I saw the interview

@jazzymars30 Жыл бұрын

@@thedudeunchained7583 definitely

@TheTonytone77 Жыл бұрын

If u really watched 90s ball the media mount Rushmore was bird mj and magic... They didn't start talking greatest of all time till 93.. Then he cemented in 98

@disizshard 2 жыл бұрын

Jordan was considered the goat because he was the first to three peat in the modern era , something magic bird or Thomas at the time couldn’t achieve. Then he did it again so it was no longer a question. His multiple scoring titles defensive player of the year retiring as the all time leading ppg record holder and others accolades and awards only added to it.

@bboiblack1948 2 жыл бұрын

in the expansion era. These ppl today face teams with both unicorn KD and steph on them. Personally i'd appreciate jordan more if he did exactly what he did in the era just before or just after with the emergence of shaq/kobe and athletic guards like iverson as opposed to.. so much of all this, especially in team sports is circumstance. Not that big a fan of lebron but his run on the cavs would have likely been some sort of 3 peat had it not been for multiple circumstances.

@disizshard 2 жыл бұрын

@@bboiblack1948 Jordan made the entire 90s draft class a believer he’s the goat by dominating . Shaq came in 92 kevin garnet 95 Kobe and iverson 96, Tim Duncan and Tmac 97. They all were in the league and witnessed Jordan win multiple rings back to back to back.

@dwilliams380 2 жыл бұрын

@@bboiblack1948 🤫🤫 people don’t like the expansion era logic. They’ll tell you you’re wrong, even though the evidence is easily available.

@rahkinggreen64 2 жыл бұрын

Bill Russell.....two handfuls..and forget modern era..because by using.that terminology you are saying until Mike came nothing counted??? Come on..

@disizshard 2 жыл бұрын

@@rahkinggreen64 when I say modern era I mean anything after the 79-80 season when the three point line was introduced. I have mad respect tho for the 60s and 70s players. Especially bill and wilt. I’m not one of those people who believe the 60-70 were plumbers. It’s common since they were great look at Kareem drafted in 69 he only won one ring in the 70s but 5 in the 80s. He also has a losing record against wilt laker teams 14-13. From his perspective the 80s was a cake walk

@ozonespec 2 жыл бұрын

"If Steph gets 10 rings, flys to Mars with Elon musk, become a president in 2024, then people will think about putting him ahead of LeBron." - Chris Broussard. 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣 I swear this is comical segment s

@rollandcurtis874 2 жыл бұрын

And Steph will still be behind Michael Jeffrey Jordan. 💪

@Kobe8DaGreat24 2 жыл бұрын

👎🏾

@Kobe8DaGreat24 2 жыл бұрын

@@rollandcurtis874 and Kobe

@mfcannon8876 2 жыл бұрын

They be dickriding Lebron James

@jetsettech8804 2 жыл бұрын

@@Kobe8DaGreat24 lol. Not even in the discussion

@aaronjwallace501 2 жыл бұрын

"They'll find a way to make this an extra ring for Michael" lol

@levels1937 2 жыл бұрын

Like Micheal needs any help whatsoever from Curry. It’s as simple as this. The majority people like me who actually saw Michael’s entire career and Lebron and Kobe’s and now Curry will almost always have MJ ahead. If you were too young to appreciate MJ you might pick Kobe. If you are like 25-30yrs old you might pick Lebron. If you are in your 20’s you probably think it is Curry.

@russell9411 2 жыл бұрын

He not lying tho bruh. Mj supporters really a cult and it comes off as cringy

@MR.__G 2 жыл бұрын

@@levels1937 Idky this is even debated. Every ranking poll that ever comes out has jordan number 1 by a staggering amount, by the players, coaches & fans…

@levels1937 2 жыл бұрын

@@MR.__G It’s debated along the demographics I showed. In another 10-20 years when the people who are in their 20-30’s now are in higher positions in media they will have Lebron and Curry as #1 and #2 it’s already begun really. Nick Wright is just the first wave. I think he was like 14 when Jordan retired the second time. It’s all good I know what I saw and lived through. Lebron was close but he squandered some opportunities and got checkmated by GSW when they got Durant. There is no shame in that.

@ursula3438 2 жыл бұрын

@@levels1937 I started watching in 96 and I think the main reason many of us still put MJ ahead of Bron is aesthetics. MJ was just so smooth in his movements they called him "His Airness" and "Black Cat" for a reason. His style made the NBA global and made Kobe, Tmac, Vince, AI, Dwade, Melo etc. wanna copy him (Kobe the closest obvi). Lebron may be just as good at bball than MJ (or even better if you wanna believe Nick and Shannon) but his game is, and please excuse the disrespect, kinda ugly in comparison.

@darrellhardy90 2 жыл бұрын

🤦‍♂️ I'm both a MJ and LBJ fan, think it's dumb people act like they can't appreciate both... but Jordan is the best player I've ever seen 💯 if u didn't see him maybe u don't understand what u missed

@marifeborja1678 2 жыл бұрын

I love it when Nick and Chris debate about MJ vs Lebron 😂😂

@KajinDMV 2 жыл бұрын

Steph haters sound like what Bron fans think Bron haters sound like. The LeBron debate wasn’t serious until it got serious. He just happened to fall short. So the Steph debate is not ridiculous. He’s the one that’s next in chasing the legends. He’s the only one left that can outside of Bron. With that said, Steph’s odds to improve his resume look really good.

@Johenz 2 жыл бұрын

Steph not on that level at all

@willseest3732 2 жыл бұрын

That loss in 2016, makes it pretty tough for Curry to surpass him. Curry also needs more MVPs

@Siooc 2 жыл бұрын

@@willseest3732 it’s almost like the lost in ‘15 with Lebron he lost his guys in a crucial series and or game and lost if draymond doesn’t get suspended they would def close it out in 6 but to los him and they win game 5 gave them all the confidence in the world to be like we can do this but no to belittle what Bron did he played the greatest basketball I’ve ever seen 3 games in a row

@drkdze 2 жыл бұрын

@@willseest3732 LeBron has more stains on his resume tho. the lost to Mavs is unforgivable I'm sorry. He's been swept in the finals, and this year just failing to make the playoffs with a stacked team.

@phantomt2427 2 жыл бұрын

@@drkdze by using your criteria.... 2016 is the biggest argument against steph even being in the conversation, losing like that "I'm sorry, it's unforgivable"

@Matt_Schwanda 2 жыл бұрын

Antoine barely had Steph top 30 a month ago, so I think he should sit this one out

@DrShwazz 2 жыл бұрын

Hey man maybe with that playoff run and the title and Finals MVP....he MIGHT move him to 29 lmao.

@cogginbenton 2 жыл бұрын

better to have him top 30 instead of top 12 or 10

@Matt_Schwanda 2 жыл бұрын

@@cogginbenton so you think the 2x MVP, 1st unanimous MVP, 4x champ, 1x finals MVP, 2x scoring champ, 1x steals leader, centerpiece of a dynasty, and the best shooter ever is closer to 30 than 12? You are out of your mind.

@cogginbenton 2 жыл бұрын

@@Matt_Schwanda look at the guys he’s played with, when he’s had success and when he hasn’t had success.

@camdonking1919 2 жыл бұрын

not even a month ago. in the finals he had him in the 20s

@selfrighteous88 2 жыл бұрын

I hope Curry gets 3 more just so I can see Nick choke on live national television while he proclaims Steph Curry the GOAT. The disrespect Tim Duncan and Kobe are getting is phenomenal. SMH

@teresa-oj9rq 2 жыл бұрын

It's about more than rings though. Team accomplishments is (not Enough )Mt Rushmore material

@BrokeEnt504 2 жыл бұрын

@@teresa-oj9rq team? yall act like curry just be going along for free championships like he’s not the best player on his team. like no curry no warriors. he makes the warriors a better team

@mr3000sr 2 жыл бұрын

@@BrokeEnt504 no but he only has the rings and best shooter argument… he not top 10 in either of the top categories

@aatiti2011 2 жыл бұрын

@@mr3000sr the ring and best shooter argument? do you watch him play?

@mr3000sr 2 жыл бұрын

@@aatiti2011 yeah I do what’s your point… he’s not top 10 in points rebounds or assists…. That’s what makes the top 5 all time the top 5…. Along with the rings and stuff…. Magic Kareem Jordan Bron ….

@k10e05h 2 жыл бұрын

I stopped listening to AW’s takes ever since he said Steph is only in his top 30

@Kobe8DaGreat24 2 жыл бұрын

That's high I have him top 100

@countertenorflor2107 Жыл бұрын

he's never been anywhere closer to curry's journey, he just does have the same experience and views in terms of success, curry is so out of his league and he can never understand who curry is, how he did it, why he succeed.

@countertenorflor2107 Жыл бұрын

@@Kobe8DaGreat24 I have you on my top 10 clown list

@JK-hj7cf 2 жыл бұрын

LePrincess needs to jump teams, cry when looses and trade his team to try and win Curry changed the game the last 3 decades with his offensive, LePrincess changed the game with jumping teams and trading players when looses

@actionjackson8689 Жыл бұрын

Also, people don't realize his team jumping caused KD to go to the Warriors, so there's that too...

@bigwill9910 2 жыл бұрын

Simply put who says Tim Duncan is better than Lebron James? The answer is the minority. We acknowledge team greatness plays into winning championships until we start talking about Michael Jordan which is Nicks point

@erikpuka2627 2 жыл бұрын

@UCPItZf7liabSel9cbkiV3Aw Lebron is a bad defender. Stop it. Everybody gets whatever they want vs him. They just hid his flaws. And he can't shoot much either. They got to space the floor and let him drive in an empty lane and kick it out to legendary 3 pt shooters cause he got limitations. They hide him on defense. You never had to worry about that with Duncan. For his position - he had way less flaws.

@awax9166 2 жыл бұрын

BUT tIM dUNCAN is better than Bron. That's the point

@bigwill9910 2 жыл бұрын

@@erikpuka2627 bro I honestly feel like you don’t watch basketball, if you wanna say that about his lakers years then yes, but Lebron was a lockdown defender in his time in Cleveland and Miami

@supdall345 2 жыл бұрын

@@erikpuka2627 Casual. Not taking away from Duncans defensive impact, he was a PF who anchored the defense. But saying LeBron is a bad defender is laughable. Sure, if you nit pick certain years and talk about him now when he's past his prime with the 2nd most miles on his legs of any player in history. There was a 5-6 year stretch where he was probably the best perimeter defender in basketball, 2009-2013, and even 2014. Finished 2nd in DPOY to Peak Dwight in 2009 and 2nd in 2013 to Marc Gasol (who didn't even make All-Defensive 1st Team, most agree he got robbed). He has a few other Top 5 DPOY finishes as well. You don't do that by not being an ELITE defender. All the film and defensive metrics back it up, he was a monster on that side of the ball. Elite perimeter defender, help defender, team defender, and solid 1 on 1 defender. Guarded 1-5 effectively for a few years, especially in Miami. Locked up elite PGs in the playoffs, D-Rose in the Conference Finals, Tony Parker in the Finals, did a good job on the best forwards in the league, and even managed to do a decent job on certain Centers. Prime for prime, LeBron was amazing defensively. And saying they had to "hide him on defense" is hilarious lmao. They never did that for LeBron, especially in his prime.

@DillonDees 2 жыл бұрын

@@bigwill9910 data still says he’s a net positive on defense even on The Lakers lol.

@sandman1008 2 жыл бұрын

Nick is wrong. MJ actually has LeBron beat in nearly every advanced stat. So, the analytics aren't really favoring LeBron.

@taheemtownsend1003 2 жыл бұрын

He was talking about Steph but mj has slightly higher stats against far worst competition not a good argument

@sandman1008 2 жыл бұрын

@@taheemtownsend1003 I was referring to Nick saying LeBron has the best analytics in history, which includes MJ. And MJ did not do it against weaker competition. I don't know where you got that nonsense from. The East was the best conference during MJ's time, so MJ was going through the gauntlet every year just to make the playoffs and reach the Finals. But advanced stats are focused on the regular season, which is what Nick was referring to. Again MJ has him beat in most advanced stats. But I'd mostly like to know how MJ was playing worse competition in the regular season.

@CALI_KINGCFC 2 жыл бұрын

@@taheemtownsend1003 you definitely haven't watched ball past 2010 and it shows

@mxybeyesterdaygrip2568 2 жыл бұрын

@@sandman1008 lies lol MJ played far weaker competition in the finals than LeBron James. LeBron played KD and the warriors which were the greatest team we had ever seen assembled

@sandman1008 2 жыл бұрын

@@mxybeyesterdaygrip2568 Notice in my comments, I specifically mentioned the Eastern Conference, and MJ having to go through the gauntlet just to REACH the Finals. I said it that way specifically because I agree in the Finals, LeBron faced tougher competition. However, that was in large part because MJ would typically face his toughest competition in the East playoffs. Whereas LeBron had an easy ride through the East until reaching the Finals, MJ would have to face stiff competition in the East just to reach the Finals. I am a firm believer that if LeBron had played in the West his whole career, he would not have made it to 10 Finals. I think he would have made it to 4 or 5 Finals. However, he would be 4-0 or 5-0 in the Finals. We don't have those same questions for MJ. For those 6 full seasons, we know that he would have gone to the Finals 6 times, and won all 6, regardless of what conference he was in.

@harmansandhu9753 2 жыл бұрын

Going down 3-1 in a NBA finals, and then getting one of the opposing teams starter suspended for game 5, and winning the finals by 4 points in game 7 isn’t decimating the team.

@phatch5444 2 жыл бұрын

getting back to back 40 point games in close outs for the warriors. then dominating game 7 with a 27 point triple double is youre a causal.

@hitek9too255 2 жыл бұрын

Kevin Love got injured for one game, so it's equal. Don't kick people in the nuts and you won't get suspended.

@tiktokexposed898 Жыл бұрын

lebron lead both teams in every stat. he decimated them

@STHHCalebBrewster Жыл бұрын

@@tiktokexposed898 Stats 🤣

@timothybrooklyn3496 2 жыл бұрын

Kobe better than LeBron anyway but Steph can become better than LeBron if he keeps winning and win more than LeBron

@tigerscott5929 Жыл бұрын

Explain to us why Kobe is better than LeBron as a player

@timothybrooklyn3496 Жыл бұрын

@@tigerscott5929 He just has the killer instinct and will to win and more skilled and his game looks better than LeBron and he's more of a leader he just is I can go on and on but that's My opinion and you have yours but both players are great but if you ask me who I rather have on my team I'm picking Kobe everytime

@tigerscott5929 Жыл бұрын

@@timothybrooklyn3496 I don’t agree at all about him being more skilled and having a better looking game. I loved watching Kobe growing up and I have him in my top 5. But it’s just not true that he was more skilled or talented than LeBron. Kobe had the work ethic and the will to win. I’ll agree to that. But to act like LeBron doesn’t have the will to win either is a little off. And to act like LeBron isn’t the better overall player with a game and a skill set that we’ve never seen before and that we’ll likely never see again is ridiculous. The leadership aspect is up for debate but I wouldn’t mind anyone arguing for either person. But if I’m asked to select the better overall player for my team, someone with the more complete package and someone who can literally do anything you ask him to, it’s obviously LeBron. Kobe had scoring on LeBron but that’s really about it as far as game. LeBron is a better rebounder, passer, and he’s more efficient.

@timothybrooklyn3496 Жыл бұрын

@@tigerscott5929 Is his defense better? Is he more reliable in the clutch? I definitely don't believe he's more skilled than Kobe. But I'm not a LeBron hater he's a great player I just don't believe he better than a few players

@mariannevandenbossche3621 2 жыл бұрын

Curry: 4 titles in 12 years / James: 4 in 19 years. Wright TRY at least to be reasonable

@Renegade77784 2 жыл бұрын

Asking Nick Wrong to show objectivity when discussing Lebron is virtually impossible lol.

@billpap.9669 2 жыл бұрын

If KD didn't join the Warriors Lebron would be sitting at 5 or 6 rings EASILY

@jaydot4956 Жыл бұрын

Who cares, he still ain’t better bron.

@TitanPardy808 2 жыл бұрын

Wildes has a point. It’s not about having more rings, BUT Steph would’ve won them “on Lebron’s watch.” Something to think about.

@bb-lq6dm 2 жыл бұрын

Good point. But I hold the Mavs loss against Lebron. The 3 losses against the Warriors in the finals. Not so much.

@mynutsonyourchin2806 2 жыл бұрын

Curry finally the best player in a finals series 👏

@ryedye335 2 жыл бұрын

bron is 37…

@youtuber_00786 2 жыл бұрын

@@bb-lq6dm and '14 against the Spurs too.

@jasperegan3625 2 жыл бұрын

I mean, when you create one of the top 5 teams to ever grace an NBA court, I think you have to win a couple rings. There has only been 1 that was really on lebrons watch that he could've done something about, and that's this season. The first one, kyrie and love were both hurt. The 2nd and 3rd was one of the most talented teams to ever play on the court together.

@samiosman7881 2 жыл бұрын

This segment was amazing!!! Very funny and entertaining!

@ZeroFallout1 2 жыл бұрын

Love how the so called analysts always try to prop up Lebron. 2015 "Gsw win cause Kyrie and love hurt". 2016 iggy and bogut out with injury. Steph was still injured. "GSW meltdown". Funny how narratives changed history. We all saw the master of Fopping Leflop. We all saw the phantom fouls called on GS. We all saw Lebron throw Draymond down no fouls. We all saw Cleveland tossing around 100lb steph no fouls. We all saw the bogus suspension.

@jasperegan3625 2 жыл бұрын

Wait, we really comparing bogut and iggy being out to kyrie and love being out?

@Jeazy1234 2 жыл бұрын

@@jasperegan3625 go look at them finals again bogut was a terrible injury for lebron to win easy cuz no rim protector

@hijodejames 2 жыл бұрын

The thing about Steph's injury is that while he did get hurt in the first round, he came back and dropped an OT scoring record against Portland and balled out against OKC in the WCF to close them out. He was definitely close to 100%

@zerokool-2058 2 жыл бұрын

The league didn’t want the Warriors to be champs.. period.

@milesaheadpodcast 2 жыл бұрын

@@hijodejames A sprained mcl is what kept kris Middleton out of the playoffs so no Steph wasn’t close to 100%

@kalanievans2341 2 жыл бұрын

We actually dont know if you can build a championship team around lebron because its never happened! All he's ever done is put together super teams.

@familychannel7050 Жыл бұрын

Lmao

@denimjeg Жыл бұрын

U should delete this comment

@jaydot4956 Жыл бұрын

Yeah because the first 7 years of Lebrons career was wasted on the cavs who failed to put a championship roster around Lebron. Even with that being said he still dragged a bunch of bums to the finals.

@solo26sky 2 жыл бұрын

0:26 Nicks face that we’re even having this conversation 😆

@dylanreynolds62 2 жыл бұрын

Steph Curry revolutionized the game on the court. Lebron revolutionized the game off the court in terms of taking control of your career.

@rollandcurtis874 2 жыл бұрын

And Michael Jordan revolutionized the game both on and off the court, thus Michael Jordan is head and shoulders better than both Steph and LeBron and both guys know that the world to this day still has never seen anybody like Michael freakin’ Jordan aka The GOAT!

@GreatMollyHatchet 2 жыл бұрын

@@rollandcurtis874 🤡 Head and shoulders?

@dylanreynolds62 Жыл бұрын

@@rollandcurtis874 I completely agree. I was just stating that in the context of today. MJ is the goat. He is the standard of greatness. He is the true NBA logo over Jerry West.

@everardoalvarez1061 2 жыл бұрын

Nobody ever brings up the fact that lebron was trying to recruit kd when he went to the warriors. Nobody wants to touch that

@user-dn8jk7vu6v 2 жыл бұрын

The difference is steph won all of his while Lebron was playing at a high level. No one won more while Jordan played

@D-money813 2 жыл бұрын

Lol what?? MJ didn’t win 15 rings

@johnbills3056 2 жыл бұрын

@@D-money813 Barkley, Malone, Stockton, Kemp, Hardeway, Miller,...think otherwise.

@jeru6722 2 жыл бұрын

@@D-money813 you're exactly right Jordan won 6 out of 15 years which means 9 years someone else won.

@Joeyz94z 2 жыл бұрын

@@jeru6722 You're missing the point which is no other player got more than Jordan's 6 while he was playing

@jeru6722 2 жыл бұрын

@@Joeyz94z the nba wasn't loaded with talent like it is today plus every team basically stayed the same for at least 3 years in which the Bulls was the best team every time in the finals he won 5 titles against opponents at .500 or less. Plus Golden State and the rest of the NBA was building teams to go against Lebron hence KD and the Bulls got 6 not just Jordan and nobody likes to admit the NBA was trash except about same 6 or 7 teams for 12 years I was watching back then not hearsay or highlights Lebron plays tougher teams better competition better athletes when he retire then we can access it better but for now stay tuned he'll get 2 more

@gametimesiv 2 жыл бұрын

You can see it written on all their faces 🥴 that was a mic 🎤 drop ending there by Nick! 😅👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 Any statement that starts with "I don't care what he does, he will never be..." is purely driven by a preference instead of objectivity.

@georgeth4421 2 жыл бұрын

nah, is was not a mic drop...it was easy for Nick to say since it is a scenario that is really unlikely to play out, so he does not risk anything...

@jasperegan3625 2 жыл бұрын

@@georgeth4421 if it was easy to say then Broussard wouldn't have done the opposite.

@emericas9 2 жыл бұрын

That means it’s too late. Steph went wrong asking kd to join and taking a backseat! He was supposed to comeback and take it from bron but it spelled fear begging kd to come tbh

@alouda-valorant9692 2 жыл бұрын

Yea you can tell it's purely driven by preference rather than objectivity. The fact that they're saying (except for Nick) Steph can never move up past mj and lebron regardless of how much he wins shows they just want MJ to be #1 forever and maybe Lebron #2.

@diegobromfield 2 жыл бұрын

Nick towards the end is the only one being objective. If Steph ends with 6 or 7 and LeBron doesn't win any more, I think its only fair to put Steph ahead of LeBron AND if he wins final MVPs the rest of the way, ahead of Jordan too.

@twodeepupyours508 2 жыл бұрын

MJ doesn't need any help with the 🐐 debate. Everybody knows MJ is the 🐐 Some people, like only a couple people, try to say MJ ain't the goat. Only a couple people

@LoftyXsWaGX34 2 жыл бұрын

“IF HE GETS SEVEN!!!!!!” 😂😂😂😂

@shawnchia3611 2 жыл бұрын

frankly, if curry really can get 7 rings and is the best player for those 3, ill put him over Lebron even tho its obvious Lebron is the more complete and dominant player individually

@Commentsofthemonth 2 жыл бұрын

@@shawnchia3611 its not obvious he’s not. Curry is so good these morons are claiming Steph has to get 3 more titles than Lebron to be better? That’s foul. Curry is more complete he plays better D than Lebron, he plays on the ball and he’s off the ball and don’t don’t need to bandwagon franchises too to get 4 rings.

@youraverage90sguys7 2 жыл бұрын

@@Commentsofthemonth plays better defense than bron 😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

@tylerwest3161 2 жыл бұрын

@@Commentsofthemonth bro stay off the drugs

@tylerwest3161 2 жыл бұрын

@@youraverage90sguys7 yeah he bugging for that

@AllBackends 2 жыл бұрын

This isn’t even a conversation

@munir9527 2 жыл бұрын

Jordan just has a greater resume than James 5 MVPs, 6 FMVPs, 6 Titles, 10 scoring titles, etc.

@reedcylear9404 Жыл бұрын

In a less talented era soo

@kevben706 Жыл бұрын

Yeah in the 90s lol

@johnjones528 Жыл бұрын

Jordan also has better advanced metrics and classic 8 stats as well.

@5280AcoGs 2 жыл бұрын

That was a slick upper cut Nick wright through at Chris broussards take at the end of the segment 😂

@justinsugay1149 2 жыл бұрын

Broussard showed the actual ability to be analytical. That's what makes him the easiest to listen to.

@kourt2469 2 жыл бұрын

If Steph wins 6 rings in the modern NBA where the competition is absolutely insane with so many elite players, yeah he's absolutely in the goat conversation.

@TheBlackestKnight21 2 жыл бұрын

No he’s not cause it’s ring culture. lebron has been a far better player for longer w more all nba first teams and more FMVPs and regular season MVPS. Rings aren’t the only thing that matter but stephen a and other media heads have made it seem like that. Steph will never be lebron even tho they both top 10

@kourt2469 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheBlackestKnight21 I never said it's the only thing that matters. But if curry keeps winning then you absolutely have to acknowledge his greatness. People act like winning titles is easy when it's clearly not

@kondamusa7553 2 жыл бұрын

@@kourt2469 it’s easy when you have a super team

@Leibaful 2 жыл бұрын

@@kondamusa7553 so LeBron didn't go to Miami? Oh ok 🤡

@Thedeso18 2 жыл бұрын

@@kourt2469 Exactly. I think people of got curry is younger than bron and has more time in his career left being a shooter. If he keeps winning chips and adding accolades he can def overtake bron. Every times he makes a 3 he sets a new record for crying out loud!

@kyletucker3811 2 жыл бұрын

"Dog doth protest too much, hit dogs holla."" 🤣🤣🤣

@hershelpogue1745 2 жыл бұрын

It hurts him now not later, this man is winning on LeBron James watch, and he's doing this with lesser talent than LeBron James had. It is impressive on all fronts. Stephen Curry also is a little man in a big man's game and he has out performed his contemporaries. It is allot to consider, and LeBron James ranking shouldn't be that high, when a contemporary has the same amount of rings and is quite likely to succeed him in titles. It must be given high regards and consideration.

@dparks2856 Жыл бұрын

So lebrons watch is his whole career? Mjs watch is only the 6 years he won?

@asoldierstwocentsrawuncut9611 2 жыл бұрын

So if Steph finishes with 7 titles and 4FMVPS, Nick will put him ahead of Lebron but Jordan having 6 titles and 6 FMVPS doesn’t put him ahead of Lebron?? 🤔 How does that even make sense?

@15kearrap 2 жыл бұрын

I agree

@sportstalkonly1442 8 ай бұрын

If he did that he'd be over jordan and lebron.

@sportstalkonly1442 8 ай бұрын

Yea because Jordan wasn't the better player. And he played weaker competition

@lloydprice3552 2 жыл бұрын

I’m a Steph fan, but they both are great. Do people realize that since 2011, last year was the only year that the Finals didn’t feature LeBron or Steph. Why is Toine Walker dismissing Steph like he’s average. He has No objectivity, because he said no matter what Steph does. No objectivity.

@Davidm-ou5mo 2 жыл бұрын

he saying steph is not on bron level

@blackjesus2082 2 жыл бұрын

@@Davidm-ou5mo and he definitely right

@phuynh 2 жыл бұрын

2021 finals no Lebron or Steph

@judyclarkson5887 2 жыл бұрын

@@Davidm-ou5mo There'll be such discussion *IF* Steph wins more than Bron. Whether you like it or not.

@Senza_1 2 жыл бұрын

Steph isnt even close to Lebron. Any kind of argument that tries to insinuate so is absolutely absurd.

@madratter 2 жыл бұрын

That right there was actually real funny stuff

@lvanb6111 2 жыл бұрын

I loved this debate, well done you all.

@Raven.Bloodrot 2 жыл бұрын

Moral of the story, Steph go win 7 XD

@chaitanyaadiga260 2 жыл бұрын

Stephs doing it in an era where free agency is at its greatest and players are actively teaming up or signing vet minimums to get a ring. Obviously he benefited from it as well, but if he ends up with 5 or even 6 during this era of talent, he deserves to at least have a seat at the table

@anthonymelendez333 2 жыл бұрын

Mmm yea but Steph ain’t have to play any of those teams this ring Boston arguably had the harder path and looked gassed at the end HOWEVER! Steph did beat all the young top up and coming talent and teams that will be getting rings and that’s arguably more impressive because the league is so much more than just a top heavy league now

@judyclarkson5887 2 жыл бұрын

Now he's *arguably* top 10, *definitely* top 15. But if he happens to win one more, he's *definitely* top 10. It's that simple

@WayneWilcots 2 жыл бұрын

Nah to be fair you talked down this era on the “teaming up and signing minimums” (which I understand) then brushed pass him benefiting. Literally no one was beating KD steph Klay Draymond in the finals. NO ONE EVER. They were selfless played good enough defense and obviously had lethal weapons 1-5 (wiseman) with that being said you gotta take away the two rings he got with KD. So Steph has two and we will see if he can win 3 more lol

@shivumagarwal 2 жыл бұрын

@GG GG Bron never beat a healthy Steph Curry so your point is invalid 😘

@teddricksmith3699 2 жыл бұрын

@@shivumagarwalcavs 2016

@TheUncannyOne 2 жыл бұрын

WALKER BE HATING ON STEPH! HE HATE LIGHTSKIN DUDES 😂🤦🏾‍♂️

@esimms5101 2 жыл бұрын

The issue is Lebron isnt in the convo with MJ or Steph, Magic or Bird as Championship Team Leaders. The problem is Lebron leap frogged a lot of players when he needed 2 allstars to win rings and easy eastern conference and if his finals opposition was a better TEAM he gets excuses. Lebron is a great player. His legacy is durability and longevity NOT being a CHAMPION.

@zinjgreen3398 2 жыл бұрын

oFc, if Lebron was Steph he would have trade himself away from GSW after that KD and Klay's injury

@cldaniels7632 2 жыл бұрын

Not in the conversation?! You just described literally every person who has ever won multiple titles. It baffles me that people say that LBJ needed two other all-stars, but everyone else in history needed at least two other all-stars to do the same thing. You don't win more than one title without consistent all-stars. Ever. And I don't know who you're talking about as far excuses, but LBJ is far and away the most scrutinized player in history.

@serialsbabydaddy8787 2 жыл бұрын

@@cldaniels7632 facts

@focuz4899 Жыл бұрын

Exactly! MJ, Pippen, and Rodman are 3 Hall of Famers that played together. Didn't Steph meet with KD after getting smashed by the G.O.A.T.

@ruelpile 2 жыл бұрын

If you took out Curry and replaced him with Lebron on the 2021-22 Warriors team, I don't think they end up winning the Championship this year. I think a Lebron lead Warriors team would have lost to the Grizzlies or the Mavericks.

@Hosk17 2 жыл бұрын

wait chris really did expose himself saying if steph wins 7 rings he still won't put him ahead of mj. he's only got like 5 years left. if he wins 4 rings in 6 years after he already had 3, he should be the goat lol

@DrShwazz 2 жыл бұрын

He’d certainly be in the top 3 convo with Jordan, Lebron, Kareem for sure lol. That’s unlikely but it’s fun to speculate.

@teresa-oj9rq 2 жыл бұрын

Fmvps,rbds,Defensive teams etc It's only about rings for mj in a good way .4-6 to descredit LeBron

@thelight3547 2 жыл бұрын

He got on a plane to get KD. LeBron disqualified for the same reason. He called wade. Competitive spirit matters. He was scared of a healthy cavs team.

@coops1992 2 жыл бұрын

If he wins 7 i'd easily put him close or even equal to MJ as the GOAT. But won't happen.

@nicholascole2613 2 жыл бұрын

@@thelight3547 Let's not do that because I'm sure had LeBron known that Wade's injuries would keep him in and out of the lineup that may affect the decision to go. We know the Cavaliers front office isn't the best, and there was no Pat Riley or Phil Jackson. Secondly, recruiting to Cleveland is hard..no one wants to live in Cleveland as opposed to some of these other organizations.

@Alart28 2 жыл бұрын

Chris been killin' Nick, and Rob ...I mean more than usual lately 😂😂🤣

@datyellaman447 2 жыл бұрын

Man Antoine laugh. Is great!

@FishLoaves 2 жыл бұрын

Players who was mediocre at best trying to say Steph ain't top 10.

@williesmith7148 2 жыл бұрын

If he top ten who you replacing him with

@udinelumbu2351 2 жыл бұрын

Having a rival match/surpass you in rings doesn't look good in your GOAT case. Michael never allowed his rivals anywhere near his ring count, that's why he's the GOAT. He dominated his competition.

@jamesadegboye7378 2 жыл бұрын

This is my favorite argument, do people realize MJ played 15 seasons in the NBA but only has 6 rings, what do we think happened the other 9 times?

@youraverage90sguys7 2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesadegboye7378 adding to that, its funny the 80 was the better decade, he wasnt doing anything, and 90s, when players openly admitted, and there are written records in newspapers, that it was weak diluted era due to expansion, he started winning then

@phillipgoat00 2 жыл бұрын

that's fair, but curry winning 6, changing the history of basketball (which Jordan didn't do) puts him ahead of Jordan easily. I don't believe he will win 6 tho,

@jaylenflanagan1295 2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesadegboye7378 Facts Mj meat lovers just brush that aside😂💯

@youraverage90sguys7 2 жыл бұрын

@@jaylenflanagan1295 also really want to dismiss what a overwhelming superteam he had

@LLPOF 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Nick, how many teams have come back from a 4-2 deficit in the playoffs?

@Says_me 2 жыл бұрын

Championships are a part of the GOAT factor… only Skip beats the 6 chips and 6 fMVPs exclusively. Most others say the it’s those things AND accolades… AND per game stats… AND per game metrics / analytics… AND clutch performances… AND eye test, and, and, and. Nick suffers from recency bias. It’s what he saw, so it’s all he really knows. He wants to say he was there and saw the best ever in real time.

@obedgutierrez3954 2 жыл бұрын

The real question they should be debating is we're. Do the warriors rank on the greatest teams of all time

@PaulMcGillTV 2 жыл бұрын

It has always been Steph vs. LeFraud. Curry is the only one who challenged LeFraud legacy and popularity. LeFraud had to change teams while Steph stayed with the same team and yes that matters. Steph changed the game. LeFraud took short cuts to solidify his brand.

@jeromeperry5472 2 жыл бұрын

I'm tried of yall comparing MJ & LeBron when they never played against each other.

@ahamarwahli5856 2 жыл бұрын

Nick about to cry 😢

@nbatalk714 2 жыл бұрын

Twan and Nick is right tho .. and mj did get the statue he only had 3 rings at the time, goal post always gets moved .. gil and tmac said it the mj media would never put nobody above mj no matter wat- same way chris said if curry gets 7 he still wont put him above mj when in all reality for curry to pull that off is goatish

@Says_me 2 жыл бұрын

The statue is irrelevant. It was put up in Chicago. Of course they did that. Citing a the statute is a distraction.

@nbatalk714 2 жыл бұрын

@@Says_me the statue said goat .. imagine they had a lebron statue wit goat wen bron got 3 titles would it be irrelevant? I dont think so everybody would go crazy

@ryedye335 2 жыл бұрын

fax

@ursula3438 2 жыл бұрын

MJ was seen as the GOAT on eye test alone by a lot of fans before he even won his first chip. People were just in awe of how beautiful he made the game look.

@oldheadperspective 2 жыл бұрын

@@nbatalk714 he didn’t have a statue is just had a banner on the arena you could see from Mars

@chrisper3148 2 жыл бұрын

Walker and allot of players like him are hating they are bigger stronger faster and still aren’t half the player Curry is

@acespittah 2 жыл бұрын

Preach

@noloc4246 2 жыл бұрын

Well I think it's an interesting subject, especially as it was brought up to begin with? I think the conversation is going to be getting started in that trajectory. You can't compare the positions, or the power, though the accomplishments and the way in which they're achieved can definitely be something that can be spoken about. We're talking four rings now in 8 years, and Steph looks great still. Who's going to really completely challenge and knock them off in the west next year? The East is going to be wide open, with everybody healthy, on all the previous teams that played this year as well. Giannis will definitely have something to say with Middleton healthy and anyone else they add during the offseason, etc etc. Miami Heat will surely do something to help out Jimmy as best they can. Philadelphia absolutely has to make a hard move this upcoming season for obvious reasons. It's not going to be a given that Boston will not only be there, take the whole thing as well? Great take on a very possible future outcome.

@Ma1n033 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Ant!!! Somebody with conviction in their statement

@street8009 2 жыл бұрын

Lebron had Wade and Bosh 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯 and only got 2😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 come on now n didn’t even hit the big shots Kyrie Ray Allen save him

@Itzyaboijay247 2 жыл бұрын

I think some people forgot that once upon a time 😂😂. And lost to one man named "the german jesus" Dirk

@ryedye335 2 жыл бұрын

Winning 2 is impressive when you consider after 2012 wade busted his knee and was washed and bosh barely put up 15pt with the heat.

@big10chevy79 2 жыл бұрын

MJ=GOAT!

@kingdavid4380 2 жыл бұрын

Lebron ICED game 7 with a free throw? I think Kyrie's 3pointer iced it. Nick needs a CAT scan lol

@keithballard5395 2 жыл бұрын

Steph did it on his own team. LeBron did it on everybody else's team. That's the difference, nobody wants to play for ol' James anymore. The media circus that surrounds him, people want to play with "easy going" Steph. LeBron is about Hollywood, one man show. Steph is about Basketball an team work.

@b.vanguard 2 жыл бұрын

More difficult to win with a variety of player combinations than it is to win with the team you’ve played on your whole life. Chemistry is not guaranteed unless you’re great.

@folkscrazyouthere3076 2 жыл бұрын

Chris just proved everyones point lol If Curry wins 7 rings and 3 to 4 finals MVPs and you still say he isn't better than Jordan or Lebron. That's the type of Bias stuff that irritates people suddenly rings wouldn't matter because He would have more than MJ is what Chris is saying . Chris wants to be apart of Michael Jordans media Entourage so bad lol

@phillipgoat00 2 жыл бұрын

For me Bron and curry are at the same level now, if curry wins 5, then he jumps one and the conversation will be who's better Jordan or Curry, if he wins 6 or 7 we're getting into Tom Brady's territory. Which won't happen because of free agency, but funny idea tho.

@jaust9077 2 жыл бұрын

Chris has never just made the rings argument. Only Skip makes that argument in the major media. It's a combination of things that in my opinion make MJ the GOAT. The winning is just part of the equation. MJ has more MVPS(5-4-in 7 less full seasons played), finals mvps(6-4), titles(6-4), DPOY's(1-0), scoring titles(10-1), steals titles(3-0), PPG, FT%, PPG in playoffs. Lebron is 2nd on my list behind him but he is hurt by a couple things(that awful Mavs series), and his free throw shooting in clutch situations.

@youtuber_00786 2 жыл бұрын

@@phillipgoat00 People will still diminish Curry's 2 rings with KD for being a superteam. But for some reason, Brady with arguably the best offensive weapons ever assembled and a top 10 defense gets a pass with that 7th ring. I don't think the difference between 6 and 7 is much when you have players from various sports with more (Russell with 11 nba titles, Richard with 11 stanley cups).

@diegochavez6203 2 жыл бұрын

Because he isn't he's always had 4-5 all stars that okay really good D out him on an average team dude never wins anything. He's a great shooter that's it .

@emericas9 2 жыл бұрын

@@phillipgoat00 u don’t know basketball lol

@AuburnFanSince2010 2 жыл бұрын

Imagine if Hakeem and Karl Malone teamed up in their prime. That's what KD and Steph did. The 2nd and 3rd best players teamed up to stop the best player in the league.

@gumballwaterson1957 2 жыл бұрын

20 years from now, no one except "old heads" will remember that. Just like no one talks about Moses Malone teaming up with Dr. J. No one talks about how the Lakers got lucky enough draft Magic when the had Kareem. No one cares about Wilt actually playing with other HOFers. Nuance gets lost in time.

@everardoalvarez1061 2 жыл бұрын

So did lebron d wade and bosh

@ryedye335 2 жыл бұрын

fax

@ryedye335 2 жыл бұрын

@@everardoalvarez1061 bosh was maybe a top 30 player lol, and wade fell off quick

@youtuber_00786 2 жыл бұрын

@@everardoalvarez1061 thank you. Lebron fanboys won't mention he joined another top 3 player and top 15-20 player. He choked hard against the Mavs. Imagine KD or Steph pulling a 2011 Lebron and losing one of those finals. Lebron not getting 3 or 4 rings with a superstar Heat team is on him and hurts his GOAT case immensely.

@louisreyes-layne5008 2 жыл бұрын

One of the things common among legends is that they all have an era named after them. We are currently in the Steph Curry era and have been for quite sometime now.

@jaycruz8027 Жыл бұрын

Thumbnail is hilarious. Bron airbruished Hi Res Curry Jaw unhinged goggles 😂😂😂

@onidtubes 2 жыл бұрын

Nick is worried it's going to be a Curry-Lebron debate no longer a MJ-Lebron debate.

@teresa-oj9rq 2 жыл бұрын

How? Rings ain't it.

@onidtubes 2 жыл бұрын

@@teresa-oj9rq It will be, especially the fact that Curry is 3-1 versus Lebron. I bet you when if he wins his 5th, Curry fans will be a nightmare for Lebron fans 🤣

@layishittu8217 2 жыл бұрын

I think it helps lebron tbh it would've had 2 more ring if KD didn't got to the warriors or He lost to arguably the best team of all time top 2 three-point shooters of all time and one of the best scores of all time KD. With a great defensive mind in draymond and an amazing back-office and coaching staff.

@ryandavis6290 2 жыл бұрын

Serious question. How do you know he would’ve had 2 more rings if KD didn’t go there?

@DillonDees 2 жыл бұрын

@@ryandavis6290 because when healthy the Cavs proved they were better than the Warriors.

@ryandavis6290 2 жыл бұрын

@@DillonDees how did they prove that? By beating them in a 7 game series by single digits. I’m not even gonna take into account all the circumstances that surrounded that finals. There is nothing that indicates that either team was so much better than the other that it was a forgone conclusion who would have won. If the warriors and cavs are both healthy and have all there players the whole series in 2017. It’s anyone’s series.

@erikpuka2627 2 жыл бұрын

@@DillonDees but if Bron didn't join the Heat - he 'd have 0. He 'd be a skinny Karl Malone with sone MVPs and some high all time scoring rankd

@DillonDees 2 жыл бұрын

@@erikpuka2627 I mean, he weighed more than Karl Malone for most of his career and they are roughly the same height so I’m a little confused about the “skinny” part lol. And how shocking, a good team is needed to win in a team sport, crazy stuff there lol.

@jesuschristisgod3970 2 жыл бұрын

Love this show. Always get a great laugh.Antoine Walker is great addition, he is a natural critic.

@vincentminott3250 2 жыл бұрын

He's delusional big time

@8mathdaddy 2 жыл бұрын

If they say Kobe is a duplicate of Jordan, how come Kobe is not the second best player ever instead of Lebron?

@princeflip7622 Жыл бұрын

Thank you

@limpsnips8876 2 жыл бұрын

Man we’ve seen some great players, BIRD, MAGIC, KOBE, SHAQ, CURRY, DUNCAN, KD, ETC, but the fact of the matter is that both MJ and Lebron dominated the sport at a level that none of these other guys can even touch. They’re both the GOAT. Two different eras. Complete and utter domination. It’s really just who you personally like more.

@camdonking1919 2 жыл бұрын

i woulndt say dominated. lebron lost more finals than he's won

@limpsnips8876 2 жыл бұрын

@@camdonking1919 he’d have two more chips if KD didn’t join a 73-9 team and create the greatest super team ever assembled. Lost 1 game TOTAL in 2017 playoffs. Swept the 2018 finals. KD Warriors were in a league of their own. Y’all can’t forget that. MJ never played a team like that. That’s just facts.

@johnwick8516 2 жыл бұрын

@@camdonking1919 yes but when you had context this argument is dumb ! We was the best player in this finals most of time when he lost ! Stop being dunb on purpose to make your argument !

@taraatkins4823 2 жыл бұрын

Kobe won 5 rings in 10 years that's dominant and when he wasn't winning he was setting records for most consecutive 40 point games most consecutive 35 point games most consecutive 30 point games along with dropping 81 along with a record of 27-14 in the playoffs vs teams with 50 wins or more vs LeBron record of 10-10. Kobe is the example of dominant

@nathanmulchandani2869 2 жыл бұрын

@@camdonking1919 if that’s the case then for Mike was a loser 9 out of the 15 seasons he played. If you’re only dominant 40% of the time then are you really dominant? See how stupid that sounds

@IconicUniverse4L 2 жыл бұрын

Nick, Michael was averaging 32/6/5 then in the playoffs of 1993 he averaged 35/6/6 to cap off a 3 peat which Lebron still hasn’t done. You don’t do research😂

@mr.r1622 2 жыл бұрын

LeBron is the ONLY player to average a triple double in the NBA finals the ONLY player to lead EVERY player in EVERY major statistical category on BOTH teams in the finals ....you don't do research 😂😂😂😂😂😂🖕

@santosonly7 2 жыл бұрын

It Jordan was limited to doing that only with Pippen. Without him Jordan couldn’t make it out of the 2nd round. This is such a fact that though Jordan signed a bunch of one year contracts, to keep,winning he kept resigning with Pippen. WHENEVER Jordan played without Pippen, relative to the finals, Jordan couldn’t even qualify for the Finals much less play in them and win. Lebron on the other hand is not limited in such a way. Bron has won a ring on EVERY team he’s played for and in both conferences. Something Jordan was not able to do.

@jamarjackson6745 2 жыл бұрын

Lol you really didn’t grasp what he was talkin about?

@IconicUniverse4L 2 жыл бұрын

@@santosonly7 same with every star who won, Kobe didn’t win without shaq or gasol, Bron never won without dwade, Bosh then kyrie and love, now he can’t win without AD. Everyone needs someone as a partner. The bulls drafted Scottie it’s not like he was a star and they traded for him

@IconicUniverse4L 2 жыл бұрын

@@jamarjackson6745 I did, my answer is the same wassup

@phillipgoat00 2 жыл бұрын

If steph wins 7 rings, I would put him ahead of tom brady lmfao. I don't think anyone will win 7 rings ever tho, because free agency is designed to stop that.

@pierre.rolex1141 2 жыл бұрын

Well said Antoine 🙌🏽

@dheerajsah 2 жыл бұрын

It absolutely does, GOAT means complete dominance, if you remember Jordan's retirement speech, he said off course they don't want me to retire because they want to get past me, but let me remind you they could never get past me, it was complete Bulls dominance during that period. Curry is challenging LeBron's dominance and is on at par with him, there was no other superstar comparable during MJ's dominance.... it's not even an argument anymore

@limpsnips8876 2 жыл бұрын

Lebron would have two more titles if KD didn’t go and join a 73-9 team and create the greatest super team ever assembled. The warriors lost 1 game TOTAL in the 2017 playoffs. Swept the 2018 finals. Jordan never had to contend with a team like that. I think they’re both the GOAT, just giving you some perspective.

@ceez4781 2 жыл бұрын

@@limpsnips8876 should've, would've, could've MJ could have had 2 more if he didn't retire the first time but hey it didn't happen

@TopTierHater 2 жыл бұрын

@@ceez4781 Not true. Hakeem is 6-1 against MJ and the Bulls had no one to stop him. There’s no guarantee that Bulls beat Rockets in 94 & 95even if they had Jordan. Also, MJ lost to Shaq & Penny in the 95 playoffs but ppl act like it never happened

@Maddogg500 2 жыл бұрын

@@limpsnips8876 he wouldnt and without the nba reff interference he would have won the one in cleveland or the one in maimi

@simple45679 2 жыл бұрын

@@limpsnips8876 Lebron would have 0 if he didn't go team hopping

@brandoncrockett9266 2 жыл бұрын

I know that Antoine Walker did it at the highest level, and has forgotten more about that life than I will ever know, but hearing someone of his caliber basketball-wise speak so dismissively about one of the greatest to ever do it just…doesn’t sit well with me.

@camdonking1919 2 жыл бұрын

hes so clearly biased

@jsmooth8655 2 жыл бұрын

Nah, we’re talking about top 10 all time. Literally since the beginning of the sport. Steph should be top 15 now probably closer to 10, but he’s not in that stratosphere

@brandoncrockett9266 2 жыл бұрын

@@jsmooth8655 He’s top 10 for me. I don’t see 11 guys in NBA history definitively better or more accomplished than him. Steph gets penalized because he’s a 6’3”, 200 lb point guard and his dominance confuses people. He’s not supposed to be what he is. But that’s part of what makes him revolutionary. It’s just amusing to me how, now that he’s done the one thing so many said he couldn’t do, there are still those in serious denial.

@TheBlackestKnight21 2 жыл бұрын

@@brandoncrockett9266 that’s the point, don’t get it twisted steph is 9-12 range but and kobe and lebron and others were just far better players than him. 4 rings but 1 FMVP? Did lebron ever play w a player better than him to get those accomplishments? Lebron carried a far worse team in his first stint in cleveland to multiple ECF and a finals and The 1 year steph had a awful team they miss the playoffs. Steph is an all time great but to put him on LEBRON level when he’s had a far better organization and team built around him is insane to compare.

@Travsice 2 жыл бұрын

Some of the worst "analyst" on television are recent players. But so many ppl wanna talk about how you can't talk about it if you didn't play it. Lmao it's funny to me

@blackbolt3423 2 жыл бұрын

Curry ha 4 rings and they are having a debate if he wins 7!?

@marlowstanfield6815 Жыл бұрын

Curry needs more mvps more fmvps more 1st team all NBA selections etc to make this a legit debate. LeBron has also made all NBA defense like 7x, Curry has never made all NBA defense once, not one time in his whole career..

@santosonly7 6 ай бұрын

How's that debate goin now? You guys. Always makin stuff up.

@xpaullemusic9885 2 жыл бұрын

How is it ok for LBJ to be less achieved than MJ and be the “Goat” but not Curry over LBJ? yall literally just like LBJ more, there is no logic otherwise

@xpaullemusic9885 2 жыл бұрын

If im not mistaken people had LBJ over MJ after his second in Miami. There is no logic its just that you like LBJ. Curry beat LBJ 3 times, the time he lost it took heroic efforts to beat him with another super star by 4. Like be real!

@johnwick8516 2 жыл бұрын

@@xpaullemusic9885 nobody had Lebron over MJ back then. Lebron started to make is entry in the GOAT convo after 2016.

@johnwick8516 2 жыл бұрын

Lebron is not “less achieved” than MJ. You can just look at rings and be done with it but you would put all the context aside. Context is what complete the story ! There is a reason why Lebron’s 2016 ring is more important than let’s say his second one with Miami ! Context.

@erikpuka2627 2 жыл бұрын

@@johnwick8516 Lebron never carried a team to a championship. Never. Not even close. Never like Kawhi in 2019 or Jordan everytime or Shaq in 2000 or Wade in 2006 or Hakeem in 94 or Dirk in 2011 or Giannis in 2021. Most those guys WITHOUT A SUPERTEAM. Always on superteams BARELY outplaying and barely outscoring the 2nd option by like 2 ppg or sometimes even less like Pierce in 2008. Most he outscored his 2nd option was ny 6 in 2012 and thats it. Out of top 10 Finals MVPs that outscored their 2nd option the most in a finals series Lebron is nowhere to be found even in the top 30. Jordan got 5 of those in top 10 and his 6th one is 13th on that list (1991). Kobe got one in top 10, Hakeem, Wade, Rick Barry, Shaq got the no.1 , Steph even and Jordan got 5. Jordan had to do with HIS OWN SUCCESS way more than Bron had to do with his. OutScored Scottie once by 19 and once by 21. Least he ever outscored him was 11 on 11% better from the field. Thats their smallest margin. Thats lile Bron winning it with Ilgauskas as his 2nd option. Bron Always on big duos and trios barely outscoring the 2nd option and sometimes having a worse FG% and often playing worse defense. In 2011 (didn't win it) he himself turned into the 3rd option. All rings are not created equal. If we going to NITCPICK for the GOAT Arguement - lets nitpick all the way. If we going to nitpick Steph for his lack of finals MVPs - lets nitpick Lebron for barely winning them. There is a difference between carrying YOUR OWN Team and beaing the best player on a stacked team and sneaking by FMVPs. Btw in 2017 KD outscored Steph by +8.5 ppg (Best bron did was +5.9) and Steph this yrs finals by like 11.5. Both bigger "carry jobs" than Bron ever did. Lets nitpick all the way.

@johnwick8516 2 жыл бұрын

Steph as won 3 rings against Lebron James. Yet with context you’ll know that in all those series Lebron was far better than Steph and in 2 of them Steph wasn’t even the best player on his team.

@rish5626 2 жыл бұрын

Curry will never be ahead of Bron ever stop this

@anonymoussec5441 2 жыл бұрын

if he wins 6, oh yes he’s ahead of Lebron!

@jasongroves8515 2 жыл бұрын

@@anonymoussec5441 nah

@gringoboy701 2 жыл бұрын

This is his very first finals of Curry being the best player on the floor. How are you gonna be better vs Lebron that always outplayed him every time they met in the Finals and half the time they met, Curry wasn't even the best player on his own team?

@te-co_debarge 2 жыл бұрын

@@anonymoussec5441 magic & Kobe got 5 & they not above him…. Russell has 11 & he not above Lebron

@Coachjay778 2 жыл бұрын

If curry wins 6 hes ahead of Lebron I’m sorry

@twodeepupyours508 2 жыл бұрын

The media lost it's way when they started talking about "WHAT IF" instead of reporting on WHAT IS

@MatteoRuberto 2 жыл бұрын

That’s because they really can’t talk basketball

@SirGenesis206 2 жыл бұрын

This is the type of conversation you “stir up” when the only major sport being played is baseball.

@danebalazs708 2 жыл бұрын

Antoine: “I’m not gonna have this conversation comparing Lebron and steph”…….. goes on and has a conversation about it

@andres413 2 жыл бұрын

Jordan is the GOAT not only because of his 6 rings, but because he ALSO changed the game!!! If you look back at Jordan highlights. I literally looks like he’s a player from the future who traveled back in time and started balling everybody up. And now that’s today’s basketball. Curry has now changed the game again!!

@ryedye335 2 жыл бұрын

bron is the goat

@andres413 2 жыл бұрын

@@ryedye335 You can’t be the goat when you’ve had the most help of any superstar ever. GOAT General Manager, sure.

@ryedye335 2 жыл бұрын

@@andres413 he’s literally known for having the least amount of help… he’s played for 19 seasons and has only had all stars for 5 of them… so wtf are you talking about?

@youraverage90sguys7 2 жыл бұрын

wilt exposed michael, he couldnt say anything but laugh, nba changes rules against wilt but in favor of jordan, to make it easier

@youraverage90sguys7 2 жыл бұрын

@@andres413 yeah youre a casual, dont know history of nba at all if thats your argument

@Project_N89 2 жыл бұрын

i never understand how much lebron pays these dude, they will question everything, Steph's rings, Jordan's rings, KD's rings but never Lebron's. lol. The dude went to join Wade and Bosch to win his two rings. Why is that not questionable?

@youtuber_00786 2 жыл бұрын

EXACTLY. It's not even about Lebron at this point, but his obnoxious fanbase and media support are too delusional and insufferable.