LED Floodlights - How to avoid installation problems

LED Floodlights - How to avoid installation problems - do's and don'ts

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LED floodlights the workhorse lighting of residential and commercial lighting installations. In this video, Joe Robinson explores the product details which can create a reliable long-life installation.
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00:00 Reliable installation of LED floodlights
00:21 See our part L CPD for more learning
00:40 The bizarre world of halogen floodlights
01:30 LED floodlights - What about quality
02:00 Choose your floodlight to match the environment #1
03:15 Select the correct IP rating for the application #2
04:20 Thermal management #3
04:40 Design for light pollution and trespass #4
05:50 What are your floodlighting tips ?
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@samuelchamberlain2584 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for mentioning light pollution , both on the wider scale and the neighbouring properties.

@efixx 2 жыл бұрын

Yup, it's a problem, bit of balance needed.

@johnhoward2104 2 жыл бұрын

A 500w tungsten lamp is still a baby. Back in the 80's I installed some fittings to light a farmyard that were 1000w Tungstens - I hope he's changed them since then given the price of electricity.

@1bigsyd 2 жыл бұрын

I have fitted many luceco led floodlights and find them an excellent product…I can honestly say I’ve (touch wood)never been back to replace a faulty unit

@efixx 2 жыл бұрын

Good to hear!

@TheChipmunk2008 2 жыл бұрын

till this video did not know luceco was a BG brand... To be honest, BG have variable quality... which might be good, means they're adapting. The weatherproof storm accessories are our go to... the consumer units, notsomuch (RCD failures are common). Luceco lights... yep. been pretty reliable. (also BG, now the sun is setting on the split load board, was there an issue with the RCDs that has since been fixed?)

@waynio67 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe if the manufacturers didn’t drive the LED’s so hard, heat dissipation and longevity wouldn’t be so much of a problem, see ‘Dubai lamps’ for properly designed lamps

@TheChipmunk2008 2 жыл бұрын

its a trade off, what will the customer support vs how cheap can we do this.

@Dog-whisperer7494 2 жыл бұрын

Great video as always Joe 👌 You mentioned that the old halogen lamps came in 150w and 500w , I remember back in 1995 I was working on a building site in London and I had to fit 1000w halogen lamps around the the scaffolding to light the pit for the still worker’s building the still cage for the foundations before the concrete was pumped in those lamps were quite big and heavy a bugger to install on your own. Fantastic video lots of useful information to think about 👍👍👍❤️

@efixx 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for commenting Sean, sounds like a really interesting job you were in there.

@Dog-whisperer7494 2 жыл бұрын

@@efixx it was an exstention to the Gloster hotel in South Kensington

@paultipton743 2 жыл бұрын

I once went out to a local farm before led lights were a thing to remove a damaged 500 watt halogen flood light. The light was mounted high up on an open barn facing inwards which was used as a lambing shed where lambs were being born and straw everywhere, the light had no glass cover had gotten knocked and the hot lamp landed on the straw setting the barn alight, luckily it was seen and dealt with quickly

@efixx 2 жыл бұрын

Farmer 👩‍🌾 maintenance ☠️

@pwaelectricalltd29 2 жыл бұрын

I remember those halogen lamps very well!

@efixx 2 жыл бұрын

Yup, me too!

@paultipton743 2 жыл бұрын

I replaced a small 10watt pir led flood light for a luceco recently at my parents place to shine on a corner path way as the led lamps had gone to an orange glow in the existing light fitting , the one thing I noticed is the pir sensor didn't have a very wide angle so it only detects going down the one pathway. I hadn't thought at the time and just saw the light fitting at the wholesalers so brought it spur of the moment , I should of checked the pir detection angle range.

@efixx 2 жыл бұрын

Lesson learned! 👍

@stephenrolfe6484 2 жыл бұрын

So if I have grey cabling going to old halogen lights can I use the same cable and join with a junction box to led lights because they all seem to come with black cabling installed . Thanks Steve

@dominicdodd9759 2 жыл бұрын

I have installed a lot of LED security and floodlights and I still learned a lot from this - thank you. I'll put my hand up to admit install these pointing upwards. I get lots of requests to light trees, ornamental features, etc and small floodlights are perfect. So it's a shame the design doesn't allow for this, as there doesn't appear to be much else on market for this application. Ground spike lights are ok, but are generally limited by the power of GU10 lamps most use. I've had one LED floodlight used to light a large shrub fail after 3 years - it has water behind glass ... now how did that get there :-( My tip on using them on walls is to have supply cable coming through or down an outside wall terminate inside a Wiska box (308 is a good size). Then mount the LED floodlight close by and connect the fitting lead in the box. The Wiska box can cover a cable coming straight out through wall, and generally looks neater. It also means you change change it more quickly if it fails or customer wants to change to higher or lower wattage. While I'm at it ... when is someone going to come up with a better way of setting up PIRs - replacing those stupid tiny knobs on bottom. Luceco's new range have the tiniest yet, and I have had two fittings fail when trying to turn them. Hands up who has set up a security light, had customer agree it, only to ask you to call back to make it run on 5 seconds longer? (Rant over).

@efixx 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment. This is a safe space for electrical rants!

@tomastank1030 2 жыл бұрын

I buy Wessex brand from Toolstation. The knobs are much easier to turn. www.toolstation.com/wessex-led-pir-floodlight-ip65/p21678

@andrewdale5473 2 жыл бұрын

I feel that people don't understand the difference between horizontal and vertical. With the old halogen fittings it was the tube that needs to be horizontal, the housing can be swivelled to reflect the light downwards and so not go into neighbours windows. Yet so many times you see the glass faceplate vertical.

@craigemmott4976 2 жыл бұрын

Loved how you kept a straight when you said older, less reliable technology. Luceco 30000 hour LED floods will be lucky if they've 100th of 30000 hours. After fitting 5 and all 5 go, something has to be said about the claim of 30000 hours. With that performance, I wouldn't trust Luceco again.

@TheChipmunk2008 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting point about facing up.... Back in the day that is what floodlights WERE used for architecturally.... I'm kind of glad the modern ones can't handle that because as you mentioned... Light pollution

@efixx 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

@TheChipmunk2008 2 жыл бұрын

@@efixx for very specific historical buildings its still a use case... but yeah, as a general thing, glad it's in the past

@adrianupnorth 2 жыл бұрын

I stopped using Luceco as they seem to fail after one winter. Warranty return was simple enough. I really hope this new ones are better, as they are well priced and are everywhere.

@efixx 2 жыл бұрын

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised!

@busman2000 2 жыл бұрын

Outside upward facing flood light requires an exterior surrounding case with a 45 degree sloping glass pane to keep the light weather proof.

@thattoolguy9432 2 жыл бұрын

Not a fan of floodlights on domestic, prefer more discreet lighting , great for industrial and site lighting .. i miss the old 500w halogen in winter , great for warming up plastic conduit ready for bending .. i've tried a few luceco products, so far so good

@efixx 2 жыл бұрын

Horses for courses. 👍

@Imakeelectronicchaos Жыл бұрын

Nice video. Question: is there any type of floodlight that you can mount on a ground and tilt up at a wall as you mentioned that you shouldn’t do that as it can let water in overtime.

@efixx Жыл бұрын

You probably need a higher end architectural grade fixture intended for “wall washing”

@Imakeelectronicchaos Жыл бұрын

@@efixx ok cool. Also the new Castra range by Luceco seems rubbish and it’s rather expensive compared to your average floodlight, for example a 10w luceco castra floodlight from screwfix is £19.98. Also the new luceco castra brackets are a bit strange compared to a regular floodlight. In my garden I have a LAP by screwfix 20w 2000lm floodlight with pir in my garden and it is excellent! It lights up the whole thing and only paid £12.98 for it. The lap ones are also extremely good quality and last very long and don’t let a single drop of water in so I think the LAP range is better, more reliable, and certainly cheaper than that luceco water filling rubbish. The luceco ones no matter how you mount them just attract lots of water and they are always flimsy plastic that will break at a tiny drop. A 10w luceco floodlight that I use to have couldn’t even light a small room nor a garden ffs luceco are USELESS

@ryano8768 2 жыл бұрын

00:41 Twin and earth and beautiful glanding there.

@efixx 2 жыл бұрын

😂 Not one of mine!

@bdblazer6400 2 жыл бұрын

Having a small drainage hole insted of a sealed box may help with water ingress in some conditions

@efixx 2 жыл бұрын

Fair point. 👍

@FistralG 2 жыл бұрын

Never had any problems with floodlights Halogen or LED but the integrated PIR sensors have been no end of trouble causing the light fittings to be scrapped prematurely. 🤬

@efixx 2 жыл бұрын

I believe they've changed the design of the PIRs as well. 👍

@TheChipmunk2008 2 жыл бұрын

There's a reason PIR's fail.... they have to use polyethylene for the window as it's the only common plastic that's infrared transparent. It's also not stable in UV light (those of us who have been on lots of sites remember the GPO armoured cable with the sheath that isn't present above ground level?.... they lost thousands of rolls of that cable in open air storage in the 70s... because nobody thought to check if it was UV stable) In short, PIR's WILL fail if exposed to sunlight.... if you're fitting a separate one ... try to bear that in mind

@justinwright6611 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheChipmunk2008 well explained. I always wondered why the windows turned to dust. Makes perfect sense.

@busman2000 2 жыл бұрын

I can't believe that you worked with a spark that thought "if others used more power, his power bill would be cheaper" I can't figure where that comes from. The more demand the higher the price per unit is the norm isn't it?

@efixx 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing but true

@christastic100 2 жыл бұрын

Only one reliable brand I have fitted is challenger five year warranty. One of the makes iv tried And fitted is the Luceco (old model) as a lower price opinion and had failure after failure. The failed units were always domestic and always fitted as per instruction. I’ve tried several brands and my experience is disappointment generally and annoying returning visits to replace.

@kevinpickett7249 2 жыл бұрын

I Dont agree with the life span of a fitting over the years I have found the more the light is switched on and off is the key.EXAMPLE I have fitted lights where they have been on 24/7 for the last 5 years ( led ) and they continue to work perfect but the same light fitting on a unit with a time switch has been replaced 3 times ( same supply ) Switching deffo reduced life of a fitting.

@abdullahseba4375 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe things should be built like they were in the old days. Everything is soo plasticity, cheap, doesn't last long, and isn't supposed to do this and that... Very few things 'just work' and last unless you pay a ton of money and know where to look. Even fittings used in the correct environment from so-called 'quality brands' don't last. I'm not saying we should go back to halogen, but at least they were so simple that the manufacturer didn't have much chance to make it go wrong with bad design (unless it had a PIR). A lot of stuff was over-engineered in the old days but that had many positive side effects on all sort of aspects of the product. Now everyone tries to shave on pennies and try to hit the very low bar of meeting 'standards'. Many brands ride on the success of their past and the name they made for themselves whilst not caring about what they do as they once used to.

@edc1569 2 жыл бұрын

Nothing quite like a knackered strobing LED floodlight mounted on the vertical. My local Jehovah witnesses have gone for this configuration. Almost as fun as cyclists who think strobe mode is a good idea at night….

@waynio67 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve got a head torch that strobes in my car and they get a dose of their own medicine, they soon turn it off when there’s a 5W led flashing right in their face 😂😂