Lee-Enfield No.4 7.62 Conversions: Sterling vs L8

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Bloke on the Range

Bloke on the Range

Жыл бұрын

A while back I made this video about my full-fat Sterling No.4 Lee-Enfield conversion to 7.62 NATO: • Sterling 7.62 NATO Lee...
Well, the Enfield L8 conversions are a little different. But why though? Here we've got an L39A1 doing stand-in duty, and we'll explain it with reference to Sterling's patent...
Here's a vid on the L39A1 that's in the video: • Official Enfield-Made ...
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@owensmith7530
@owensmith7530 Жыл бұрын
Finally this channel gets back to its proper purpose, namely discussing all things Enfield.
@matthewn4896
@matthewn4896 Жыл бұрын
Perfect timing. I'm picking up my first Lee Enfield tomorrow, and this is just the kind of nerdery I needed to get me salivating.
@johnqpublic2718
@johnqpublic2718 Жыл бұрын
Gotta get that pre-acquisition dopamine rush to placate your lust for more kit. Yay materialism!
@Sube-Tube
@Sube-Tube Жыл бұрын
I have a lend/lease enfield and it's by far the smoothest bolt action I've ever felt
@TheWirksworthGunroom
@TheWirksworthGunroom Жыл бұрын
"So now we get to the really interesting portion"......"let us nerd out.." This is why we're here Mike, it's all magnificent! Keep it up!
@monty5692
@monty5692 Жыл бұрын
... and near the end "nerdgasm"!!! LMAO Yeah it's all good stuff if you love Enfields
@Billy_Bad_Ass
@Billy_Bad_Ass Жыл бұрын
Yes!
@schmit6576
@schmit6576 Жыл бұрын
I did thoroughly enjoy the nerding out over patents, it was quite interesting how that language in the patent clamps down hard on what could infringe.
@timblack6422
@timblack6422 Жыл бұрын
bloke, you’re a nerd in all the right places. Prost, Mate!
@bumblebeebob
@bumblebeebob Жыл бұрын
I've had a No.4 Mk1 for many years. 15 or so. A late 1945 Faz. While cleaning all the cosmoline off it l found a brand new South African barrel! One of my favorite rifles. The only thing that would make it better would be 7.62 NATO chambering. But mostly because ammo availability.
@mothmagic1
@mothmagic1 8 ай бұрын
Another advantage of the 7.62 ammunition is a flatter trajectory. At 300 yards it's something like half that of a .303
@MrGrimsmith
@MrGrimsmith Жыл бұрын
Good grief that was a hell of a bodge job on that magazine! Marginally better than just having at it with a hacksaw but not far off :) Nice seeing the little details, they're often what makes all the difference.
@cheesenoodles8316
@cheesenoodles8316 Жыл бұрын
Additional comment, locked up in the basement with your rifles. 308 NATO Enfields, excellent choice.
@colinarmstrong1892
@colinarmstrong1892 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video as always, keep them coming 😁
@richardelliott9511
@richardelliott9511 Жыл бұрын
Nerdgasms are always welcome! I don't now or ever expect to own any Enfield rifles, but I am totally fascinated by them.
@nickb2179
@nickb2179 Жыл бұрын
I've got an L8 A2 that someone had a go at No FAUXT'ing at some point in it's past - scope mount holes in the wrong places....... but, it's a great shooter and it looks great - from 10 feet away :-)
@billmccrackin8825
@billmccrackin8825 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant! Thank you for the class!
@cmck472
@cmck472 Жыл бұрын
Well, not as nerdy as I was expecting, it all tied together at the end. It's only too nerdy when even needs find it boring!
@reasonablyknowledgeablemilsurp
@reasonablyknowledgeablemilsurp Жыл бұрын
Next time I have my L42 out I’m going to have to take a look at its back sight now.
@vetsurginc
@vetsurginc Жыл бұрын
Excellent review. More Enfield stuff please! Like reloading comments, commercial available (using that term loosely).
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Reloading is unfortunately an iffy topic for KZfaq, not devoid of risks..
@zoiders
@zoiders Жыл бұрын
The Sterling magazine seems to have a very similar profile to the 7.62x51 Ishapore Enfields.
@CAPNMAC82
@CAPNMAC82 Жыл бұрын
That was a cool video. Wrapped up a number of loose ends, like the bad blood for Sterling, the mentions of court cases and the like--the logic behind firearms history can get glossed over if the author does not dig into the minutae.
@timblack6422
@timblack6422 Жыл бұрын
“Cause - Newton”. Yes indeed!
@simonjones6128
@simonjones6128 Жыл бұрын
I used to play with my grandparents lee metcalf as a child and a martini Henry. 22 target rifle with a diopter rear sight
@JenniferinIllinois
@JenniferinIllinois Жыл бұрын
Out with the plastic; in with the wood. Hehehe...
@berettasp
@berettasp Жыл бұрын
My Enfield nerd side is now satisfied 😊
@strydyrhellzrydyr1345
@strydyrhellzrydyr1345 Жыл бұрын
Those are my definition of the perfect looking old rifles . I'd do anything to know how they feel... I have never even held an old rifle... And I want to soooo badly... I have only held a few 22s. Nothing bigger
@mikethomas5510
@mikethomas5510 Жыл бұрын
Welcome return of nerdery
@rosemaryblock7751
@rosemaryblock7751 Жыл бұрын
I love the idea of a .308 Enfield, I'd thought the MOD had developed a.kit to convert number. 4's to 7.62. Being a shooter instead of a collector, I'd prefer the peep sights of the #4 to the open notch of the Ishapore. Ah, well...
@ProjectPete
@ProjectPete Жыл бұрын
There's a peep sight made for the ishapore that will fit in the rear sight area and does improve shooting accuracy.
@Swaggerlot
@Swaggerlot Жыл бұрын
Very esoteric nerdery indeed.
@CAPNMAC82
@CAPNMAC82 Жыл бұрын
MB, I'm not going to mention what _I_ paid for a USMC '03 front sight cover for my Sedgeley .USMC barreled 1903. 'Cauz not an Gumby stan't in't stream wit brinks.
@cheesenoodles8316
@cheesenoodles8316 Жыл бұрын
Deep into the weeds, then it's the patent.
@simonsaorsa
@simonsaorsa Жыл бұрын
Yaay!
@Chlorate299
@Chlorate299 Жыл бұрын
Enfield nerdery - hurrah! Finding a gap in a patent into which you can slip a Rizla and lever it open is always good fun - aha no this doesn't infringe your patent because your patent says this! Possibly Sterling got a bit too descriptive in their patent, leaving rather more than a Rizla-thick gap for Enfield to exploit; but I suppose they wouldn't be able to secure a broader patent either - "converting a rifle from rimmed to rimless ammunition with different case dimensions" for example is not their invention.
@patrickvennard838
@patrickvennard838 Жыл бұрын
Great video not too nerdy! I thought the rear sights were not adjusted to meters as it was thought yards and meters were close enough as well?
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange Жыл бұрын
They're more than close enough for government work at realistic engagement ranges indeed.
@philstothard8333
@philstothard8333 Жыл бұрын
Unsurprisingly many older ranges just had the signage changed , moving those firing points might cost money !
@nickward1366
@nickward1366 Жыл бұрын
Wonderful video, my wife says stop biting your nails girls mmm
@sl600rt
@sl600rt Жыл бұрын
How do you tighten the front sight assembly to the barrel on a smle no4 mk1?
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange Жыл бұрын
The front sight band is pinned on and the protector just clamps around it.
@jeroylenkins1745
@jeroylenkins1745 Жыл бұрын
7.62 conversions? Every day we stray further from God's light.
@mooslionheart
@mooslionheart Жыл бұрын
And once expelled from the garden can enjoy the hell out of every bite of that apple - 🦊
@no-legjohnny3691
@no-legjohnny3691 Жыл бұрын
Don't get me wrong, I've shot a .303 Enfield once and it's a solid rifle, emphasis on "once". Because finding large quantities of reliable surplus .303 ammunition for anything short of a fortune is like finding a gun savvy boomer who isn't a Fudd. It exists, but good luck finding it. Even my brass-grubber uncle who reloads most of his ammunition for those surplus rifles struggles to find the brass, primer and bullets to reload for his Enfield.
@jeroylenkins1745
@jeroylenkins1745 Жыл бұрын
@@no-legjohnny3691 Perhaps it's easier in Canada then.
@no-legjohnny3691
@no-legjohnny3691 Жыл бұрын
@@jeroylenkins1745 Oh no kidding, considering Canada had the Enfield as their main service weapon till 1947, and the Canadian Rangers still use it today. In the United States, however, that's a completely different situation.
@mooslionheart
@mooslionheart Жыл бұрын
@@no-legjohnny3691 the winners stick together - whether finding ammunition, or non - Fuds of any generation. Time spent investing in both, whether a full ammo bunker, or Forgotten Weapon compatriots is worth the investment
@lawrencemartin1113
@lawrencemartin1113 Жыл бұрын
So...which system was better? Neither? As a relative non nerd to that level, I found that all very interesting. I especially was interested in the 'robbery and theft' perpetrated against Sterling with the sub machine gun production! Astonishing and so tragic they were not better protected at that point. Thanks for another great topic covered.
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange Жыл бұрын
The Sterling charger guide is much better and the mags feed a touch smoother, but other than that it's six-of-one, half-a-dozen-of-the-other...
@lawrencemartin1113
@lawrencemartin1113 Жыл бұрын
@@BlokeontheRange Thanks! My only Lee Enfield here in the UK is an early deactivated one hanging on the wall of my office! Maybe one day I will pick up a 7.62mm conversion live fire as I have two unused 7.62mm slots on my ticket!
@TomServo3006
@TomServo3006 Жыл бұрын
So do we know how the datum line adjustment was calculated? More broadly, how are ladder sight markings calculated in general? Everyone talks about the range ticks, but I don’t see any talk about the mathematics behind them.
@turbogerbil2935
@turbogerbil2935 Жыл бұрын
The ballistic curve of .303 MkVII was known in great detail before the No4 rifle was created. Thus the minutes of elevation rise for each range are known, and this angle is scaled down to match the sight base of the rifle. Hence on a No4 with a 28 1/2" sight base, the elevation change from 200 to 1300 yards is represented by about 13/16" height on the Mk1 rearsight (exactly the same as on a Parker Hale 5C target sight graduated for 303). The range hatches in between are calculated the same way. On a Mk1 sight, the screw pitch and six clicks per turn mean that each "click" represents about 0.87 minutes, so you can either use the sight hatch marks, or simply count off the clicks to match a change in range. E.g. 300 yards to 400 yards is 3 1/2 minutes elevation change for 303, or approximately 4 clicks on the rearsight.
@Brucesfuckinfoodreviews
@Brucesfuckinfoodreviews 6 ай бұрын
Where can I find these parts or rifles??? I’m aware of the Ishapore 2A1, but beyond that, I can’t find these anywhere.
@noahway13
@noahway13 5 ай бұрын
At 04:42, what is the purpose of that loop/ring that the top gun has that the bottom one does not? (Or at least I don't see it in this shot angle.) It is between the mag hole and the screw.
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 5 ай бұрын
For attaching a canvas action cover that buttons over the action to keep the mud out.
@Treblaine
@Treblaine Жыл бұрын
Oh and Sterling wouldn't like Enfield because Enfield was a government arsenal like Springfield.
@Zigcc21
@Zigcc21 Жыл бұрын
At about 14:55 you are talking about the difference in the datum line between 303 rear sights and 7.62 rear sight. I’m wondering what the distance between the different datum lines are? I have a 7.62 enfield with a 303 rear. Thinking i could mark where the 7.62 line would be.
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange Жыл бұрын
It's the difference between 200y minus 2 clicks and 400y.
@Sube-Tube
@Sube-Tube Жыл бұрын
Absolutely LOVE my no4 mk1*, really wish it was in a common caliber like this. 303 is just too expensive for my taste
@bruceinoz8002
@bruceinoz8002 Жыл бұрын
Ishapore mags will run in a No 4 with very little blacksmithing to the rifle and or the mag. There are alos "after-market mags alleged to fit the original Indian rifles. The two I examined were dimensionally pretty good, BUT the spring is ALL WRONG, being HEAVY like a FAL / L1A1 spring. This makes filling a chore and feeding distinctly unpleasant. A quick fondle of a real L42 mag or an original No 4 mag gives an indication of how little spring pressure is needed to lift ten cartridges of either .303 or 7.62 NATO, and at "bolt-action" speeds. HEAVY mag springs are needed to keep up with gas-operated cycling speeds. Anyone who has tried to use Ruger Mini-14 or 30 mags in a bolt-action conversion will have noticed this. The secret is to "wind" new springs of the came FORM, but from a lighter gauge piece of "music wire" (obtainable from all good "hobby shops" who sell it to people building flying model aircraft, etc. I run a home-brew "L-41 and a bit" in "sniper" matches. It started life as a "range-rifle in 303, then got "upgraded to 7.62 NATO and was then left mouldering in a cupboard, during which time its barrel "died". Hence its current stainless replacement. About the only things L-42 about it are the magazine and the extractor, and the general layout. Picatinny rail on top, because who in their right mind would try to precisely replicate the original optic and mount system? The "spare" mag is from an Ishapore 2A1 with just a few minor adjustments with an Eze-Lap stick to make it "click in" without resort to brute force. I milled the "relief cuts" into the interior of the body so the Kosher mag would also fit without damaging it.. Interestingly, the "proper" mag is sans the spot-welded "ejector" thingy. It still ejects, but I have not done the mud-test, yet, nor do I feel the need to do so at the moment.. That "welded-on" bit is probably hard steel to prevent wear and distortion from service "use". the mag bodies are basically mild steel and un-hardened, to prevent cracking and possibly because pressure forming the mag body from a "fancy" steel would be detrimental to the forming dies and require more steps to stress-relieve it, both after forming and after welding.
@michaelwhite9199
@michaelwhite9199 Жыл бұрын
I’m not sure I have ever seen a proper converse in the US. Truthfully, Lee-Enfields are so expensive in the country now they’re out of my price range.
@spets4265
@spets4265 Жыл бұрын
I really wish the 7.62 No.4's were more prolific in the States.
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange Жыл бұрын
The light barrel ones aren't prolific anywhere. The heavy-barrel gunsmith-made target rifle conversions are numerous and cheap in the UK, however.
@spets4265
@spets4265 Жыл бұрын
@@BlokeontheRange I think I saw a prototype or trials one for sale here during the pandemic. My only basis for that was the wood grain on the buttstock was identical from an old photo I saw and the rifle was in 7.62.
@TristanMorrow
@TristanMorrow Жыл бұрын
Is L8 just a nomenclature pun, calling it a LATE-model Enfield?
@kingerikthegreatest.ofall.7860
@kingerikthegreatest.ofall.7860 Жыл бұрын
I had an Indian one.
@gilbertvera1678
@gilbertvera1678 Жыл бұрын
Have you done any testing with a ishapore 2a enfield ? Reason why I ask is because I am restoring one here us stateside. Wanted to ask your opinion on them if they are good quality is that steel strong then a number 4 mark 1 reciever?
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange Жыл бұрын
I've seen a number and they're varying build quality, as is the same with all the Indian rifles. I've not got one of my own though.
@gilbertvera1678
@gilbertvera1678 Жыл бұрын
@@BlokeontheRange thank you, well will complete it and see I honestly can't wait to have the last parts over. Been wanting a smle for the 7.62, now do you think these rifle can handle 308 pressure or should I just use steel case 7.62 for lower pressures ?
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange Жыл бұрын
"steel case 7.62 for lower pressures" is an entirely new one on me... I've actually never seen a test as to whether the steel on the 2A's is better than normal SMLE steel, so couldn't comment.
@gilbertvera1678
@gilbertvera1678 Жыл бұрын
@@BlokeontheRange i see, for some reason I thought you would of had a video on a 308 smle from ishapore my mistake and sorry for the confusion. I go to you videos alot for the enfield knowledge and do enjoy them. Favorite is still the 7.62 x 39 enfield lol. Looks odd to me but man it seems like a beautiful good to shoot.
@Matt_The_Hugenot
@Matt_The_Hugenot Жыл бұрын
So that's the story behind that sight.
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange Жыл бұрын
I absolutely kicked myself and squee'd when I realised!
@Tallus_ap_Mordren
@Tallus_ap_Mordren Жыл бұрын
About that Parker-Hale conversion mag- what’s the Brit term for Bubba’ed?
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange Жыл бұрын
We've adopted the American term now!!! XD
@viewer112358
@viewer112358 Жыл бұрын
cack handed ?
@owensmith7530
@owensmith7530 Жыл бұрын
Bodge job?
@mauer594
@mauer594 Жыл бұрын
These seem like somewhat of an armorer's nightmare
@Irishpewtuber
@Irishpewtuber Жыл бұрын
Oooooooh, interesting. I wonder if there are spare mags for either of these available and will they fit my Ishapore 2A1, coz you know. That mag is kinda ugly.
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange Жыл бұрын
The mags are unicorns and cost well over £100 these days. And probably wouldn't fit anyway.
@Irishpewtuber
@Irishpewtuber Жыл бұрын
@@BlokeontheRange thanks. I'll just make do I suppose. The 2A1 mag works fine i'm just being picky
@7sq
@7sq Жыл бұрын
Please no shorts (they polute my stream ! ) .
@gabbarrf1745
@gabbarrf1745 Жыл бұрын
Huzzah
@stevep5408
@stevep5408 Жыл бұрын
I bought an Indian Lee-enfield that was produced in 7.62. I wanted a Lee-enfield but I didn't want to introduce another ammo type into my collection since I've stockpiled ammo for the rifles I have, 7.62 x 39 and 7.62 X 51. The Indians produced many fine quality firearms on British standards. The bolt is smooth as silk and cock on opening is such a great concept.
@philbyrd5561
@philbyrd5561 Жыл бұрын
they still didnt just give soldiers 10 round magazines?
@509Gman
@509Gman Жыл бұрын
100 rounds on chargers was still far lighter than 10 fully loaded mags for this rifle.
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange Жыл бұрын
And cheaper, and faster to reload cos nobody's yeeting empty mags in that era.
@zoiders
@zoiders Жыл бұрын
@@BlokeontheRange Soldiers can't yeet empty ones now to be fair.
@onpsxmember
@onpsxmember Жыл бұрын
Screwing over an arms company by making it themselves...how french of the brits to do so.^^
@jon1801
@jon1801 Жыл бұрын
Interesting thanks. However a SMLE is only a SMLE in .303.
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange Жыл бұрын
No SMLE's in this video ;)
@Gaviid
@Gaviid Жыл бұрын
@jon1801 however fudd, you have a tiny little package if you think you need to be an internet smart guy who incorrectly corrects people on KZfaq comment sections.
@zoiders
@zoiders Жыл бұрын
Is it a short rifle fed by a box magazine?
@patrickoconnell753
@patrickoconnell753 Жыл бұрын
@@zoiders What about rebarreling a shot-out P17 to 7,62 the cartridge base might just adapt to the extractor quite readily?
@7sq
@7sq Жыл бұрын
I will bitchute ,oddysee . unsub youtube ,good bye .
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