Lee Metford MkI: Great Britain's First Magazine Rifle

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The British went into the 1880s with plans to adopt the Enfield-Martini as its new rifle, a single shot Martini-action rifle with essentially a sidesaddle of ready-access cartridges on the side of the receiver. It would be chambered for a new .402 caliber black powder cartridge. However, the Small Arms Committee begin looking into the possibility of a magazine rifle instead, and trials of 40+ different systems found three worth considering: a Lee rifle with a box magazine, a Lee rifle with a Bethel Burton magazine, and the Owen Jones rifle. As these trials were concluding, the discovery of smokeless powder threw a wrench in the plans.
After study of the Swiss 7.5x53.5mm cartridge, the British opted to develop a small bore .30 caliber round themselves, which would be the .303 British. This round, originally loaded with compressed black powder before the use of cordite, rendered the plans for the .402 caliber Enfield Martini obsolete. What would have been a justifiable territorial and reserve rifle alongside a .402 magazine rifle was now an orphan. With the new rifle in .303 caliber, a .402 single shot Martini was just an added logistical overhead. Instead, existing Martini rifles would eventually be converted to .303 British.
At any rate, the Lee rifle and magazine were chosen as ideal, and in 1888 a batch was made for field trials across the British Empire. Widely positive reports led to its formal adoption and the beginning of production in 1889 as the Magazine Rifle MkI - later retroactively renamed the Lee Metford MkI and colloquially known as the Long Lee. The example we have today has two very rare original features; an intact manual safety and Lewes pattern sights. Both of these would be quickly removed or replaced in service, and a Mk I* and MkII pattern followed shortly after the adoption of the MkI.
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@Dreska_ 3 жыл бұрын

"We don't trust you not to waste ammunition. So anyway heres your volley sight & as an added bonus we got the velocity wrong"

@d4ngru5h83 3 жыл бұрын

Lol

@genericpersonx333 3 жыл бұрын

I can only imagine how embarrassing it was to some British officers when they learned that their supposedly superior engineers were sighting their rifles less accurately than the French were in 1867 with blackpowder guns that had an arc like a howitzer!

@myparceltape1169 3 жыл бұрын

@@genericpersonx333 It is exactly what you need on your new rifles. There is no need for everyone to have a telescope. Although you will not see the enemy, who is 3 miles away, fall over after the volley, be assured that they will.

@eizol568 3 жыл бұрын

A story about Enfield Armoury in WW2. Before my Uncle became a soldier in WW2, he worked at the armoury (parents lived in Enfield). One day during the Blitz, his Mother heard a massive explosion. My Uncle came home with dust all over him and a cigarette in his mouth and he said “Home early Mom, factory got bombed”. Got to love the British spirit 😀

@mjfan653 3 жыл бұрын

this reads like a start to a monty python sketch. quess they had met with the british as well

@xXPurpleGriffinXx 3 жыл бұрын

@@mjfan653 Monty Python is British bro

@Yellowman7 3 жыл бұрын

"mum"

@dotdashdotdash 3 жыл бұрын

Wouldn’t that have been “Mum”?

@dotdashdotdash 3 жыл бұрын

Nils Pochat “Britons”.

@rautavaara9194 3 жыл бұрын

Now I'm looking forward to seeing a video on the .402 Martini-Enfield with a hopper magazine.

@NOPEFROG 3 жыл бұрын

I wanna see the hopper Enfield or a reproduction thereof

@mauricestainsby196 3 жыл бұрын

Weren’t they all rebarreled to 577/450 and became mk4 MH?

@rautavaara9194 3 жыл бұрын

@@mauricestainsby196 According to the internet, it's a unicorn gun, but some examples should exist. Considering this is Forgotten Weapons, seems within the realm of possibility.

@derp-construction3341 3 жыл бұрын

Indeed, @@rautavaara9194. My Google-fu was not up to the task of finding any images.

@ScottKenny1978 3 жыл бұрын

@RDMrusher that was a Mauser, iirc

@Elmarby 3 жыл бұрын

I love that little detail about the upper handguard. The most frightening phrase to any military equipment designer must surely be "And then the troops got their hands on it."

@somersethuscarl2938 3 жыл бұрын

As a designer of miltary kit my father would be part of the team sent out to troop trails just to watch what happened so the kit could go back and be "squaddie proofed". There is nothing like a squaddie to find intresting and unthought of (by designers) ways to break stuff.

@51WCDodge 3 жыл бұрын

@@somersethuscarl2938 Squaddies consider it a matter of pride, and relives boredom:-)

@JW...-oj5iw 3 жыл бұрын

Trying to decipher the comments and replies gets to be headache inducing. Wish people would take a few moments to read what they've written to see if it needs adjustment. Hard to believe "information" when it is presented with so many mis-written or misplaced words. Yeah yeah yeah, I know. Dyslexia. English not original language.

@somersethuscarl2938 3 жыл бұрын

@@JW...-oj5iw You guessed it I am dyslexic. What are you confused by and I will try to correct it.

@somersethuscarl2938 3 жыл бұрын

@@JW...-oj5iw fired up the PC and run it all though spellchecking. All correct now

@baronofhell2277 3 жыл бұрын

"Hello, Mr. Lee" "Hello, Mr. Ford" *Lee met Ford*

@brendonbewersdorf986 3 жыл бұрын

I see what you did there

@kbjerke 3 жыл бұрын

You win the internets today.

@kurtb2522 3 жыл бұрын

too funny!

@poshboy4749 3 жыл бұрын

The hit comedy of the summer!

@iamjames8200 3 жыл бұрын

Underrated comment

@dak4465 3 жыл бұрын

These rifles are absolutely gorgeous.

@Taistelukalkkuna 3 жыл бұрын

You are right. Never seen one with dark stock, but it suits it well,

@dak4465 3 жыл бұрын

@@Taistelukalkkuna it really does

@gagool3434 3 жыл бұрын

Indeed, as a French I assume I'm more interested by British rifles than French or German ones

@Poolboy001 3 жыл бұрын

How? It's just another bolt action military rifle. They all look the same.

@roguegen5536 3 жыл бұрын

I agree. That's a sexy rifle.

@BoisegangGaming 3 жыл бұрын

British Weapons: How you'd think they work: Mark 1- 2 - 3 etc How they actually work Mark 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1* - 2 - Blimey, it's time to adopt a new gun

@51WCDodge 3 жыл бұрын

The * means a minor modification , often in manufactuer. The Mk designation changes when a major redesign is carried out.

@BoisegangGaming 3 жыл бұрын

@@51WCDodge I know. I was just making a joke.

@AsbestosMuffins 3 жыл бұрын

@@51WCDodge he's still not wrong, their naming convention was never particularly followed by their armorers

@51WCDodge 3 жыл бұрын

@@AsbestosMuffins Oh I agree life was to short:-)

@51WCDodge 3 жыл бұрын

@@BoisegangGaming Like the British nomaclature system then? :-) a lot o fpeople don't realise so it may help clarify.

@mrjockt 3 жыл бұрын

Amazingly enough the Lee Metford is still carried on ceremonial parades by Europe’s only remaining private “army”, the Athol Highlanders in Scotland.

@barryeaton8907 3 жыл бұрын

Never knew that we had a private army in the UK, thanks. BTW it Atholl

@Jake_Steiner 3 жыл бұрын

I was going to mention this! Unfortunately I think they've been permanently rendered useless as anything but large paperweights. As much as I complain about my life, I'm so very fortunate to be an American.

@Jake_Steiner 3 жыл бұрын

@@peterclarke7240 that's not the point I'm getting at all, I am a collector. My comment pertains to the actual collector dollar value of the pieces in question. I'm not certain if you have anyone that collects historical firearms in your homeland, but as a historical firearms collector, that is the lense in through which I view these pieces of history. Although one of my great grandfathers was a Highlander in the First World War, I won't pretend to know anything of Scottish laws or of their firearms culture(if any even remains after Culloden and everything else).

@johnkelinske1449 3 жыл бұрын

@@Jake_Steiner They went through hell and soldiered well, what else could be asked of them?

@brianmoreira7578 3 жыл бұрын

THE SCOTTS!!!!

@john-paulsilke893 3 жыл бұрын

Fun fact. Back in the day, (1980’s) if you bought or mail ordered a lower grade Lee Enfield, (shooter grade or parts gun) you would occasionally get a Lee-Metford in Canada. $90-$150.

@hehe3301 3 жыл бұрын

That smokeless powder thing really caused a boom in rifle design...

@ARandomCatOnAKeyboard 3 жыл бұрын

nice one

@TheWolfsnack 3 жыл бұрын

.....but that new fangled stuff will never catch on....

@hehe3301 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheWolfsnack yeah, our black powder Martini-Henrey will never be outclassed...

@lordsummerisle87 3 жыл бұрын

It was no mere flash in the pan.

@Gameprojordan 9 ай бұрын

Yes it made magazines actually viable

@SeptimusAugustusI 3 жыл бұрын

I hope that “martini-henry is the best gun ever” fella lived through the first half of the 20th century to see how wrong he was :)

@AleK0451 3 жыл бұрын

bruh

@demonprinces17 3 жыл бұрын

Him and his subordinates were around, just look for the dumb stuff leading to WW1

@51WCDodge 3 жыл бұрын

A lot of those old rifles didn't die! Why waste a brick outhouse of an action? Rebarrel and you have everything from .22 Training rifles, I learnt to shoot on one, to a .410 shotgun though I have seen a 12 bore single barrel version.

@myinfoisgone3868 3 жыл бұрын

I think he means the best gun ever in a way that it became the uncle of many great guns

@SeptimusAugustusI 3 жыл бұрын

51WCDodge And that is why I’ve always envied you Americans, especially those of you who had an opportunity to learn to shoot from a very young age :)

@maxman1602 3 жыл бұрын

Is this part of your next book, "From Brown Bess to SA80: British Military Rifles"?

@njones420 3 жыл бұрын

Thorneycroft to SA80: British Bullpup Firearms, 1901 - 2020

@forcea1454 3 жыл бұрын

The earliest rifle covered in detail in that book is the Thorneycroft rifle, which slightly post dates the Lee-Metford, and was designed in response to the lessons of the Boer War.

@frostedbutts4340 3 жыл бұрын

Brown Bess to SA80 sounds like a real downgrade to be honest

@forcea1454 3 жыл бұрын

@@frostedbutts4340 Even the L85A1 when performing at it's absolute worst will get more rounds downrange, with greater accuracy, at a greater range in a minute than the Brown Bess. Admittedly it is a very low bar to improve upon, given the maximum rate of fire for the Brown Bess is between 3 and 6 rounds per minute, and it's effective range against point targets is just over 100 yards, but I imagine the L85A1 could fire at least 6 rounds before jamming.

@maxman1602 3 жыл бұрын

@@frostedbutts4340 A Brown Bess never jams and can be used left handed.

@markrowland1366 3 жыл бұрын

Great to have you describe this important Lee, Metford. In ww2 New Zealand converted 1200 to light machine guns, each fitted with a Bren 20 shot magazine for home defence. We smile now but remember Britten had two German machine guns to guide their work on the Sten gun.

@williamsullivan9401 3 жыл бұрын

I see a copy of Johnson's "Rifles and Machine Guns" on the shelf. I have what is most likely a first edition, printed during WWII. My father picked up the book when he was in the Marine Corps during the war. He thought it would come in handy.

@brianmoreira7578 3 жыл бұрын

I love old stuff and books I'm particular. That book that he's a great insight into the thinking on especially machine guns of the time. I mean how else can we really understand how ppl thought and learn moving forward if not for those old books. Yours has some awesome history and it's really cool your Pop served in WW2. Anyway.

@williamsullivan9401 3 жыл бұрын

@@brianmoreira7578 He was sent in as a replacement rifleman during the Battle of Okinawa. He saw how bad the fighting would be in the invasion of japan, and always referred to Harry Truman as, "The man who saved my life." No regrets at all over the atomic bombs.

@WJS774 3 жыл бұрын

@@williamsullivan9401 Nobody who actually understands what the situation was back then does. As many US Marines as would have died in the invasion, far more Japanese would too, far more than died from the bombs. I have yet to meet anyone who can give a convincing argument as to why they should not have dropped them.

@MB-nn3jw 3 жыл бұрын

That’s a Mk I. No star. With safety catch, clearing rod and steel butt. In very nice condition too. Holy cow, that’s rare these days. Nice find, Ian.

@frederik5991 3 жыл бұрын

Makes sense why these rifles were so inaccurate in the second boer war if the sights was marked for "theoretical smokeless powder".

@51WCDodge 3 жыл бұрын

That was also quality control at the factories, front sights lined up with a corkscrew.

@mjfan653 3 жыл бұрын

@@iatsd makes sense. my first thought was how can you go off to war without first sighting in your rifle at the range? would undo any factory errors or theoretical load sightings... but I quess even a "common sense idea" has to start somewhere

@sh4dowchas3r 3 жыл бұрын

Wasn't it also the Metford rifling wore out much quicker than anticipated? Hence the switch to Enfield type rifling.

@51WCDodge 3 жыл бұрын

@@sh4dowchas3r Metford was black powder rifling, as I remember particullay with Ballisite the first smokless powder used by the British there was also excessive throat wear in the chamber, and pressures blew barreles. A Committe, in best Britsh style, finnised Nobel's patents, and developed CORDITE. Enfeild then developed the rifiling to match. Balliste blanks were still used for greande launching, henc the reinforced barrelas on some Great War SMLE

@AGS363 3 жыл бұрын

@@iatsd Bah! A good Tommy only needs guts an a bayonet!

@badpossum440 3 жыл бұрын

The word “speed” is certainly appropriate when describing the Lee-Enfield rifle but has reference to the co-developer of the arm rather than speed of operating the bolt. J.J Speed was an employee of Enfield Arsenal in England and developed the cutoff, 2-piece stock,and several other minor features of British Lee -Enfield rifles. The “Lee-Speed” marking appeared on some early long Lee rifles, and especially on copies intended for the commercial market.

@cean42 3 жыл бұрын

This rifle is the second most sexiest thing that came out of great Britain , the first place is for Nigella Lawson.

@johnkelinske1449 3 жыл бұрын

Sarah Miles was kinda cute way back when.

@sajedchowdhury2067 3 жыл бұрын

She just isn’t.

@odinswrath86 3 жыл бұрын

More like No. 1 Mk. III and Karen Gillan.

@cean42 3 жыл бұрын

@@odinswrath86 My man.

@zachleprieur2871 3 жыл бұрын

Hell yes! A man of great taste

@richardbruce8111 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much IAN .Down here in NZ we had a whole bunch of early models with repeated upgrades to confuse. Sparkbrook models I have seen have square cross hatching/checking ,grip grooves, and recessed cutoff access, a lot of mixed "repairs" An odd claim by reputable old hill men is accurate long-range kills with volly sights, yeah incredible especially with differing .303 propellents!

@PendragonDaGreat 3 жыл бұрын

"This rifle is the best thing ever and the new competition isn't that good anyways" Fudd Lore from before the time of Elmer Fudd.

@johnmorgan1629 3 жыл бұрын

I love the smell of Cordite in the morning.

@AndrewAMartin 3 жыл бұрын

* at tea time... :-)

@billmccrackin8825 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for a great presentation on the Lee-Medford Mk1.

@johnmorgan1629 3 жыл бұрын

Along comes Ian with yet another rifle, that if had the money would love to own. He costs me a fortune in fantasy arsenal guns.

@Activated_Complex 3 жыл бұрын

It’s remarkable how close they already had it to the versions that took the field as the best bolt-action service rifles ever made. The trigger, the bolt placement, the front locking lugs. Probably some rimlock issues with that single-feed magazine that were sorted out in the SMLE. Thanks for the video on this beauty.

@highpower3006 3 жыл бұрын

They a beautifully made rifle and smooth operating. I have a 1903 Mk1* that I picked up a few years ago and I feel lucky to have it. It is almost impossible to find an unaltered Mk1 like the one in the video.

@lptomtom 3 жыл бұрын

Such an iconic rifle, and it's legal to own without a licence in my country, unlike the Lee-Enfield... shame it's so expensive though!

@yurisv7315 3 жыл бұрын

Which country is that? I might want to move to another.

@armholeeio 3 жыл бұрын

Anything before 1939 are in the obsolete fire arms list in the U.K. so can hold them without a license

@wiimotecactus3124 3 жыл бұрын

@@yurisv7315 I know in america any non-automatic ww2 and older guns is legal to own without a license but it varies from state to state

@TheRockyRacoon92 3 жыл бұрын

Same legislation here, I saw one last year at a "militaria" event/market. The rifle was pristine, but expensive, and i had just bought a Swedish rolling block. Moreover, if you want to shoot it, 303 brass is easy to find ( especially compared to 12.7x44R for the Swedish rolling block ) . Hope I get the opportunity to buy one again.

@maxman1602 3 жыл бұрын

@@wiimotecactus3124 Not quite. Anything before 1898 is considered antique and exempt from state and federal laws, but anything after that is subject to all firearm laws. Some states require licenses and registration, some only require the NICS background check.

@johnfisk811 3 жыл бұрын

Lewes is pronounced Lewis as in the town of Lewes. I actually like the Lewes sight. Thank you for the video of the Rifle Magazine Lee Metford MkI.

@samuelclayton4405 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks man. My Son and I have a #1 mk 4 Lee Enfield made by Savage Arms in 1942. Absolutely a beautiful rifle. We have taken big game with it.

@Ashcrash82 3 жыл бұрын

No 4, Mk1...or No 4, Mk1* more likely. The naming system can be quite a load if gibberish at first.

@bethlaria812 3 жыл бұрын

Beautiful old rifle thx for another great vid Ian

@2sleeze 3 жыл бұрын

Ohh, we always enjoy the videos Ian. Thanks!

@kevinhendryx665 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent, informative video! Useful for some research I'm doing for a story involving these weapons. I only wish we'd seen some working of the bolt and the loading/firing processes.

@grhand82 3 жыл бұрын

Great video. I didn't understand at first that what I was looking was effectively using the 303 caliber. Once you started the close up shots of the rifle I noticed the design right away! I actually use a Mark II for deer hunting. I love my antique rifle! It runs so smooth and and takes a beating!

@deadlydeltox7323 3 жыл бұрын

Yesterday I watched the old live action 'the legend of tarzan' and said "that gun seems a bit too high tech for the 1800s" and now this video is made, what a coincidence.

@garytucker8696 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing Sir.

@loupiscanis9449 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you , Ian .

@kenwheeler3637 3 жыл бұрын

That was quite the pleasure seeing that rifle in such an original configuration.

@morbidcurios 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent Video! I can't wait till you talk about the Lee Metford Mk 1 *

@user-wf9rt3ds4r 4 ай бұрын

Thanks Ian first rifle i bought was SMLE south African railway police .last weapon i kept after sold my Mauser action rifle p14 Winchester lovely rifle . Eventually gave to a keen young hunter

@tegrin853 3 жыл бұрын

A box magazine would turn the mad minute into the furious moment.

@DavidM-um2uk 3 жыл бұрын

Amazing piece of history!

@ristoalanko9281 3 жыл бұрын

"And then there were the changes..." The British Army specification for ALL equipment ( weapons, bikes, tanks, uniforms, whatever) is called "List of changes" or LoC.

@kevinoliver3083 5 ай бұрын

Although the 1886 Lee-Remington rifles were supplied in .43 Spanish they were rebarrelled, by Enfield, to .402 before the competitive trials.

@brendonbewersdorf986 3 жыл бұрын

I love all this bolt action stuff recently like the carcano videos and now the lee metford I'm looking forward to an eventual beaumont vitali and vetterli vitali video they are pretty cool guns using the vitali magazine system

@gabbz4540 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for satisfying my daily lust for gun knowledge

@wrxs1781 3 жыл бұрын

Well done, the Enfield history to myself is fascinating, I have a small collection.

@user-wf9rt3ds4r 4 ай бұрын

Thanks Ian used to be very much into weapons.owned various. 303 over years and Mausers .Hunted with both .Had a 1906 Bambata long 303. Best 303 was P14 Remington.Boer weapon was his own and besides the 303 bolt and falling block used byZAR boers there must of been a number among Botha Natal boers and Smuts Cape rebels being British colonies

@troy9477 3 жыл бұрын

Nice. Great condition. The archetype of the dynasty, one might say. Upon seeing the bayonet, my first thought is that it looked modern for its day. Not excessively long in an era when sword bayonets were common. It is about the same length as the early Garand bayonets (the early '03 Springield bayonets were longer- 16" blades i think- we hadn't wised up yet). The Brits do get a little confusing with the marks and stars, but at least they weren't reluctant to make improvements. I have a No. 4 Mk1, and i can see wgere it made a fine battle rifle- robust, reliable, simple and effective sights, smooth fast bolt action, and 10 round capacity. With surplus ammo of unknown pedigree, i was getting center hits on the 100 yard gong the first occasion i fired it. Great rifle. Nice to see the great grandpa in such good, unaltered condition. Great video as always. Thank you

@Pcm979 3 жыл бұрын

Despite the spelling, Lewes is pronounced just like Lewis.

@randalldalton5475 3 жыл бұрын

Beautiful!

@WB8BRA 3 жыл бұрын

I have a British Enfield called the "Jungle Carbine." The barrel is shorter for jungle warfare. I got this Enfield in 1959 for 19 dollars. It came in box full of oil and stuff. What job to clean. It is a very fast bolt action rifle for sure. The main thing you must watch out for is loading the ammo. The rimes of the ammo have to be placed right or you cannot load the next round. Keep one rime ahead of the other to make sure you do not jam.

@kwongyeang 3 жыл бұрын

You have to love those volley sights. INDIRECT FIRE !!

@DSlyde 3 жыл бұрын

I hope the future video discusses the reasons for ditching metford rifling. Polygonal rifling is sold (in part) today on the idea that it prolongs barrel life, but they had the opposite effect on the Lee-Metford. I'd love to know why

@jonathanferguson1211 3 жыл бұрын

Simply, Victorian metallurgy.

@DSlyde 3 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanferguson1211 You'd be in the position to know, thanks! Interesting that it doesn't "scale" with metal "quality". Obviously theres a variety of factors that goes into barrel wear - hardness, toughness, temperature effects, etc and not every factor scales linearly, but I wonder what it is in this case. Throat erosion due to the inferior hot hardness maybe?

@DSlyde 3 жыл бұрын

@Wisty Boy modern polygonal rifling is also shallow so that doesnt answer the question. What the specific difference in material properties causes it is the question.

@stevenbaker8184 3 жыл бұрын

@@DSlyde it's a simple answer. The difference is the way the steel used in the two barrels are produced. Gun manufacturers and steel manufacturers didn't have the modern technology to adjust alloys for production. Old iron and steel deteriorated much faster. On top of that significant improvements in the heat treatment and hardening techniques in the modern era. Hence why old guns couldn't put anywhere near the amount of rounds down range. Think of the difference between the MG 34 barrels and the M60 barrels. Different production methods of the m60 increased barrel life significantly. Despite the m60 being design off the MG 34 and MG 42. Same principle applies to the Lee Metford and the Lee Enfield.

@jonathanferguson1211 3 жыл бұрын

@Wisty Boy With respect, it wasn't shallow rifling, it was polygonal rifling.

@maxkronader5225 3 жыл бұрын

Another great video! Once upon a time I thought I was pretty knowledgeable about firearms...then I started watching Forgotten Weapons.😀

@JamesThomas-gg6il 3 жыл бұрын

Omg youre not kidding about all the changes and markings being a nightmare. However skinnertons books help a whole lot. Still way more than i can even try to remember.

@Shrike200 3 жыл бұрын

One of these is hanging on the wall at a relatives house in sunny South Africa. Deactivated though, very sadly. I'll be keen to see your followup on this and identify it in greater detail.

@Astroman1990 3 жыл бұрын

Great video!

@RobertoDonatti 3 жыл бұрын

Outstanding!

@jeffjohansen4945 3 жыл бұрын

I would enjoy an episode on the BSA martini international series of .22 target rifles.

@razorsedge487 3 жыл бұрын

Interesting Fact about the ammo the lee metford fired it fired black powder 303 that was shaped into a compressed cylinder with hole in the center and was loaded into the brass before the neck was formed. The velocity was 2100 feet per second so almost the same as early smokeless.

@51WCDodge 3 жыл бұрын

When first used with smokless, Nobel's Ballisite the chambers melted and Metford rifleing tore out. The British Comitte for the Modifiaction of Ballasite. and some legal jiggery pokkery over patents, led to CORDITE. Enfeild developed a new rifiling pattern, the rest you know. Balliste blanks were kept for grenade launching, hence you see additional strapping on some SMLE barrels.

@captainswoop8722 3 жыл бұрын

@@51WCDodge the strapping is to stop the stock from cracking as the grenade is fired with the butt on the ground. it's nothing to do with the barrel. Wrapping wire round the stock would do nothing to strengthen a barrel.

@leonserya720 3 жыл бұрын

The Lee Metford is -the- best looking bolt-action rifle ever made.

@yakumoyukari4405 3 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, Lee-Methord the great uncle of legendary SMLE, a rifle advanced thanks to her magazine. If only MkI had stripper clips initially

@elijahmilan9084 3 жыл бұрын

Could you consider doing a pair of series detailing the history of US and British official service rifles through the years?

@kyleno4mk27 3 жыл бұрын

That's a very nice example!

@Mrkleanupguys2 3 жыл бұрын

The cool thing is I have an 1888 Bayonet that my great-great-grandfather got his hands on in the First World War somehow, he was in the Australian Army a rifleman served on the Western Front 1915-1919. it's still in a good way, the crown still there and was used a lot by my grandfather, as a farmers tool.

@stone9302 3 жыл бұрын

I wonder just how effective the notch on the front sight is. I would love to see a rifle with these type of sights on the 9 Hole Reviews practical accuracy course.

@webtoedman 3 жыл бұрын

My great Grandmother was born in 1888, the year this design was adopted. She died in 1988. Given that some Indian Police units still use the Lee Enfield, the design has out lived a human being by thirty two years. Strange, isn't it?

@cockedandlocked9765 3 жыл бұрын

I would love to see a video on the Lee-Metford mk ll*. I have one made in 1896 by Sparkbrook.

@supersmasha5560 3 жыл бұрын

I've always liked the darker stain the European rifles had from this era. I'm not sure if it's the age of the wood that turns it that color but it's so aesthetically pleasing to me.

@jacksoncz8536 3 жыл бұрын

Outstanding As anyone who might of read any of my comments will know, I consider the Lees to be the best Bolt action Battle rifles. The vast majority of problems were the results of English gentlemen making bad decisions. ie Sticking to the rim, after there was smokeless rounds. (Although there were reasonably good reasons when it was using black powder) The choice to not issue the extra magazines when they had the capability to make them was another, that is not the fault of the design. I know someone will comment that the mauser has a stronger action, and it does but for a Battle rifle using a very good round (.303) it didn't need to be stronger. The only reason the P-13 used a mauser type action was that it was designed for a ludicrously over powered round. lol okay don't with my early morning rant. Ian thank you for a great rifle and show, well done as usual. Who was responsible for the modifications to the magazine? I think I have asked before, were the made by James Paris Lee or Mr. Speed, or was there someone else? Maybe I should change from the CZ ( I love Chezce designed guns) to JacksonLee?

@GammaAKF 3 жыл бұрын

I was watching your whitworth muzzleloader sniper video yesterday and noticed that the front sights seemed to have a similar notched front post, was this used on and off on many rifles before?

@bmedlin00 3 жыл бұрын

i have a 1917 lee enfield and the safety is missing always wondered if that was a field modification or if it was broken/lost later in life..looks like it's been gone a long time

@51WCDodge 3 жыл бұрын

Should have it there. Who made it? There were local variations.

@johniksushibar165 3 жыл бұрын

we have an "owen jones" here in the UK at the mo, the less said about him the better

@gregharriage2792 3 жыл бұрын

was always curious as to what the damn sun dial looking widget was on the side of my 1915 Lithgow .303... Front volley sight?

@johnkelinske1449 3 жыл бұрын

Yes.

@Zeppflyer 3 жыл бұрын

"Owen Jones rifle". I'm surprised that a rifle invented by an American with such a super-Welsh name got as far as it did.

@m.j.mahoney8905 3 жыл бұрын

Why? The British didn't have any particular beef with the Americans and the Welsh are British.

@Zeppflyer 3 жыл бұрын

@@m.j.mahoney8905 They're British, but they're not *English*. And I'm surprised that an American design got so far, compared to domestic ones.

@johnkelinske1449 3 жыл бұрын

@@Zeppflyer Why? The Martini was basically an American design. The Snider as well.

@iceveins412 3 жыл бұрын

Sean O'Brien Peabody, who invented the basic action of the Martini was American. James Paris Lee was American. Maxim was an American.

@Zeppflyer 3 жыл бұрын

@@iceveins412 Valid points! I'd discount Maxim, though, since there was just no viable competition for the Maxim gun at the time.

@shubhojitghosh69 3 жыл бұрын

My uncle and dad own 4 of these along with rifles manufactured in Ishapore

@Curtislow2 3 жыл бұрын

I am wondering what history/ method of stock/forearms staining was used? As they all/mostly seem to be a dark finish.

@patrickseaman 3 жыл бұрын

Two thumbs up, Excellent!

@thomashall4232 3 жыл бұрын

Be awesome to see some volley sight shooting

@fatcat3211 3 жыл бұрын

Ian needs to do a video just on his book collection.

@shawnr771 3 жыл бұрын

He used to put out library and book reviews on Sundays.

@JamesDavis-ek5sq 3 жыл бұрын

That sling also used for bracing to aim? That would explain its position as well. Sorry if already commented.

@Sgtklark 3 жыл бұрын

You have shown several guns with volley sights. How did they work? When would they be used? Why not have just the one sight for all occasions?

@TheWraith1413 3 жыл бұрын

With Alex Zedra, Tony Sentmanat, and Tu Lam being added to COD MW operator rosters for being prominent members of the gun community I say they should ad Ian as well. I mean who better to make a K98 Mg38 loadout for. Just a thought

@mcqueenfanman 3 жыл бұрын

I was recently at a flea market, a guy had a box of military rifle stocks. In the pile of stocks of Mauser, M1, Mosin, and a (1)M14 stocks I found a SLME butt stock. Boy, that was a heavy piece of wood. I think the socket was still on it.

@demonprinces17 3 жыл бұрын

Any chance of seeing the other trial rifles?

@nathancole6678 3 жыл бұрын

Have you done a video on one of those hopper fed rifles?

@ScottKenny1978 3 жыл бұрын

Just on a couple German ones, IIRC.

@F1ghteR41 3 жыл бұрын

I'm quite surprised that Ian hasn't talked about Metford rifling at all.

@ForgottenWeapons 3 жыл бұрын

I cover that when I get to the change to Enfield rifling, in an upcoming part of the series.

@F1ghteR41 3 жыл бұрын

@@ForgottenWeapons Ah, I see, thanks a lot for answering! Given your close familiarity with the Arisaka family of rifles, can we expect some sort of in-depth discussion on the relative merits of both (i.e. Metford and Enfield) rifling systems? Also, since I've got the chance, thanks a lot for your content!

@WolfenKlaus 3 жыл бұрын

HEY IAN! I have a 1918 Lee Enfield SMLE mk3* my grandfather collected sometime after he served in WW2. Interestingly, where the brass circle that is normally in the stock was replaced with an American quarter minted in 1956. I was wondering if anyone knows of anything similar.

@Hawk1966 3 жыл бұрын

Sometimes I think about the age of these weapons and that they're still fully functional after so many years. I would have no qualms about taking my 1873/4 Colt New 22 out and shooting it. They made stuff to last back in the day.

@ericssmith2014 3 жыл бұрын

10:00 What, not a word about the classic Dymo label patina?

@marko11kram 3 жыл бұрын

the rabbit hole goes deep

@SvenTheSveed 3 жыл бұрын

Can’t find much about the 402 cartridges or the other rifles in the competition. Are you aware of any surviving examples in firing condition?

@oolooo 3 жыл бұрын

It looks soooooo much better than some of its succesors

@Feiora 3 жыл бұрын

What wood/finish was used on that gun to make it look so black from a distance?

@larrys3341 3 жыл бұрын

Very cool! And rare!

@flypaper2222 3 жыл бұрын

American exceptionalism.....magazine and action!

@moaceny946 3 жыл бұрын

next , a video on ''all types of side mounted magazine'' guns.

@jasonkeen3777 3 жыл бұрын

I own and still shoot a London Small Arms, Lee Metford Mk2 1896, but it has been rebarreled to a SMLE barrel.

@petercollingwood522 3 жыл бұрын

My grandfather. 111th Coy Imperial Yeomanry, was armed with a Lee Metford in the Boer War.

@alan-sk7ky 3 жыл бұрын

And how old are you? I think perhaps you mean great, or great-great grandfather.

@davidgillon2762 3 жыл бұрын

@@alan-sk7ky Grandfather would cover it quite easily, 2nd Boer War is 1899 to 1902. Let's say grandfather's birthdate of 1880 to keep it simple, and someone who has a child at 40, so parent's birthdate is 1920, then another child at 40 gives you someone born in 1960 and only 60 now. Younger still would be possible.

@petercollingwood522 3 жыл бұрын

@@davidgillon2762 Indeed. I'm 52. Never met my grandfather as he died in 1946. My father married in his 30's and I was born a decade later, so atypical in terms of normal continuity.

@francoistombe 3 жыл бұрын

Curious about the bore size .303. Did enfield armory just pull this out of the air or is it that they chose 7.7 mm for the bore and converted it to imperial to make it appear British.

@kevinoliver3083 5 ай бұрын

The British admired the 7.5mm Rubin bullet but wanted something heavier. Rather than mess with the aerodynamics, they kept the proportions of the bullet the same, while increasing the overall size. Resulting in an increase in calibre to 7.7mm.