your sentence lacks "a" or "the"

@@arishzager6999 shut up

​@@arishzager6999as it did, as Kain spewed it out.

As long as a single one of us stands, WE ARE LEGION.

Vae Victis!!!

And this was the terrible irony.

Personally I believe the Elder did not hate the Hylden, at least not until the vampires banished them. Once the Hylden were banished all of their souls were removed from the wheel and with the curse they afflicted on the vampires they too were removed from the wheel. I believe the Elder hated the vampires most for removing an entire race of his life energy as well as having no need for the vampires as their souls were also trapped and removed from the wheel. This is why he fell silent to the vampires and why he hates them so deeply. If not for the actions of the vampires his wheel would turn as he wished.

They do. Through Raziel. If you haven't, play all the games in the series. Blood Omen 2 gets a lot of hate for being too disconnected from the continuity of the others but personally I think it leaves the possibility open for more in depth explanation. I always hoped that would happen but I highly doubt it since so many of the original voice actors have died. Perhaps with some help from ai and recording this franchise can be revived. In case you didn't know already the games are Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain, Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver, Legacy of Kain:Soul Reaver 2, Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain 2, and Legacy of Kain Defiance. There were some spin offs and an mmo, I think, but those are the core to the series. If you haven't played them I highly recommend them. Graphics compared to modern games will likely be underwhelming but for their time they were decent.

I was thinking the very same while listening to this. Me wondering if the Elder God wanted the Hylden out of the way not only due to not caring for spirituality but as you mention, but possibly learning of the true existence of the eldritch parasite and revealing to the Vampires what they were truly hailing as a deity...

@CPTcast That's an interesting insight and may be one of the reasons why the Elder God drove the two races to war with each other. With them both being distracted by war, I suppose neither really had a chance to delve too deeply into what it was the Ancient Vampires were worshipping. Of course, given that the Hylden were using the Mass, an Eldritch Abomination for their experiments, perhaps they do have some understanding of the creature claiming to be god and thus were adamantly opposed to conforming to its will. It's fun to speculate.

This is the future, the scion's job. Unite what has been sundered. Get the two old species on the same page to fight the true enemy who's been keeping them apart this whole time.

It's confusing. At first I thought the Hylden were defying the elder god by being immortal. In blood omen 2 the Hylden lord says they are immortal because of the demon dimension

Yeah I think the developers did talk briefly about this. The Hylden weren't originally immortal but when they were banished to the Demon Realm, that place made it so they would never wither and die by natural means either. So their immortality is a bit different from the Ancient Vampires but by the time of Blood Omen 2, they're immortal none the less.

Love it! Very believable that the Hylden were working on achieving immortality and that they would use their unfinished research as a weapon against the Vampyres. I also think the Hylden would have accepted the blood thirst as the price of immortality. Based on the way they viewed humans - I imagine them herding and farming the people of Nosgoth like animals. And then the Hylden 'achieved' immortality anyway, because the demon dimension is outside of normal time and space.

Only wish Crystal Dynamics and Embracer Group were more passionate about this series - we really need more comics, TV Shows, and movies to keep LOK alive!

I agree. - Lily&

I think the blood thirst was part of the curse to destroy the vampyres. Consider this: The Hylden find early humans and breed them into a worker/slave caste, creating the humans we know. Humans then see the ancient vampyres come down and war against their masters and oppressors and humans treat the vampyres as saviors and gods and join the war against Hylden. The blood thirst is ment to make the vampyres turn against their human allies and even worse than the Hylden, raise humans to be food. Not workers or slaves but cattle. That seems rather horrible to me and fitting of a curse.

@@glenngriffon8032 in Defiance Janos explains to Raziel thst the real curse was immortality, since it separated them from the wheel of fate.

@@arx3516 Well of course a religious zealot that doesn't know his god is a great old one is going to say that that was the real curse but that was just an aspect of it. The whole package is that vampires can no longer breed, they can no longer join the wheel of fate and they must consume their own allies for food.

Love it! Very believable that the Hylden were working on achieving immortality and that they would use their unfinished research as a weapon against the Vampyres. I also think the Hylden would have accepted the blood thirst as the price of immortality. Based on the way they viewed humans - I imagine them herding and farming the people of Nosgoth like animals.

Will definitely do a vid on the Seer in the future 👍

Likely she's just a pure hylden, uncorrupted by the hellish demon world.

his undoing cited by kain and rebirth is a trait to his hylden origin , he can't be destroyed , he is immortal!

Im still laughing at this moment. Like, just fly away dumass

@@Brandelwyn His wings were broken.

@@Ieatpaste23 i don't remember that being the case

Birds can't fly out of a vortex. Evidence: green energy windmills kill 1000s of birds. Ooh there went another one. Mmmmm, green energy. Hylden tech on Earth.

@@Brandelwyn that's why he has him by the wings.

The Seer is indeed a mysterious character, so I figure she deserves a separate video for herself at some point.

​@strictlyfantasy she was interesting! Love nosgoth

If memory serves, the Demon Realm is supposedly a place of chaos where the normal rules of physics in the Material Realm don't apply. Assuming it also applies to the laws of time, it could be that despite them being banished for thousands of linear years, for the Hylden in the Demon Realm, it could only be a minute, a day, a week, a month or any other time frame. We know that time stops in the Spectral Realm as Raziel shifts. After all, when Kain was sent there after his fight with Raziel, the Hylden ask "Do you not think of this place, Vampire? Or are we truly forgotten?" so it could be that while there is some passage of time, either they just don't know how long or it's less linear than the Material Realm

​​​@@irishdc9523 Two Statements of Daniel Cabuco would indeed support your words. Quote one: _Further still they realized that they could not die from old age, essentially freezing them in time and space (I think unable to raise children as well. Realizing their eventual fall was due, they reached out to their old enemies and forged alliances, finding ways to breach the thinner passages to the Material Realm of Nosgoth. (Entropy has a way of making strange bedfellows) Lesser demons would have been enslaved, greater demons would have been in an uneasy alliance with the Hylden._ Quote two: _The Hylden aren't immortal, they just live in a dimension where time is warped and they age differently in relation to the material realm. Remember that Vampires weren't immortal until the Hylden cursed them so. How much they know and cooperate with the Elder God was still a mystery._

Thanks a ton! I confess I'm a bit of a perfectionist when it comes to making sure the editing and music are point. 😅

@@strictlyfantasy nothing wrong with striving to do it right man

That could very well be true. We just don't have enough evidence either way. But the fact that they were using an Eldritch Abomination (the Mass) for their own purposes may infer that they at least knew something about the Ancient Vampires' God's true nature.

@@strictlyfantasy Actually... The Elder God never wanted the Hylden banished. He constantly works towards not only removing all vampires from Nozgoth, but also towards the Pillars corruption and ultimate ruin. He actually wants the Hylden back, just as he wanted them to survive the ancient war. And, this is, imho, to a simple fact. The wheel of fate, is in fact a lie. There is no real circle of birth, death and rebirth. Otherwise, Kain wouldn't get the chance to ressurtect the Sarafan elite, Raziel included, after so many years after their deaths, their souls would have been reborn as something, over and over again. The truth behind the Elder God's method and plan is, perhaps more sinister. He's an eldritch creature, some Lovecraftian parasitic entity that, perhaps, originates from some other dimension, that feeds on souls. That much we all know from the games, but, what does that tells us? If the Elder God feeds on the souls, they never get reborn. When Raziel, or any other soul eating wraith, feeds on a mortal soul, they never get to live again, example being the various wraith turned vampires, that Raziel gets to fight. Not to mention, he needs an entire army of soul harvester wraiths, in order to feed on the souls inhabiting the spectral realm. Souls, that, had the wheel been real, would be instantly drawn to it, upon death, and spin back to a rebirth, not wander the spectral realm endlessly.He just wants conflict, hatred, and hostility, to fuel wars, that keep sending recently died souls to him to feast upon. And, in that aspect, it's safe to assume he spoke to both the Hylden, and Vampyres, presenting himselfdifferently to each race, igniting hatred for one another. And, given the chance, as soon as the humans finally got to rise to power, he did the same once more. He manipulated Moebius, and Mortanius, and kept the killing spree going on. Let's not forget the core of the "device" and eldritch abomination, most likely a gift from the Elder God to the Hylden. Should they succeed, they'd kill all vampyres, and all humans at the same moment, delivering all those souls to the squid to feed. He only turned his back on vampyres, when their new-found immortality made them inedible to him. And, a little twist , or theory, of my own. Both races had these Messiah figures foretold.But, through their preparations, machinations and plans, they, unknowingly perhaps, only worked towards exposing the truen nature of the Elder God, allowing them to unite against him, not just them, but the humans as well, and rid Nozgoth of the parasite. And, that is what the Elder God tried that hard to stop. Both Messiahs uniting into one. Kain, and the purified Reaver. The Vampyre messiah, and the Hylden, working as one.

the water was like a security feature, stopping just any old vamprie/any one else entering the portal

Whoa. Right! Once it was fountaining blood a vampire could dive in, but before that it was running water. Like an electric fence for vamps.

Square owns LoK currently. Given they were behind the Nosgoth release and the current remake fad. Better to leave the series where it is for now.

@@pious83 Isn't the Emracer Group holding the rights from Square Enix these days, though, given that they're not exactly stable either, I feel like Legacy Of Kain should be brought back under the proper care of Amy Hennig, whoever the dev might be story should be handled by her.

My pet theory has always been that the Elder was simply a primordial Sluagh that grew so large by devouring more souls than it's peers that it became unrecognizable from its original contemporaries. Once a being gains so much power it is able to repress any rivals from amassing that same power. This would certainly match (or rather _focus)_ Raziel's theory that the Elder is simply the biggest parasite of them all. Given that the immortality drove most of the Vampyre race to mass suicide and did indeed lead to the near extinction of their race despite its technical function I think it's fair to say that it was a calculated risk on the Hylden's part that paid off beautifully.

No, the elder god exists way before the hylden and vampires ever came to be. Probably this creature wasn't originally from the planet, maybe from another dimension or perhaps it's a mockery about blindly worshipping something you've never seen and what would happen if you actually got to see how grotesque is that creature, while defending it to the point of war.

​@@carlospandette8001ever seen the elder do anything that his human pillar guardians Mortanious and Moebius couldn't do? He's done everything that they can. I think he came from somewhere else possibly brought by a dimension guardian, got, or was given Moebius and Mortanious powers, and started existing in the material and spectral realm in every time period at the same time. So he didn't but then he did and always had

I like to think that he REALLY is the God of the setting. A God does not equal omnipotent or benevolent - just take look at all these Greek/Roman jackasses. Being stuck with a narcissistic deity that lets his function and temporal dominion go to its head and actively hates your guts, is par for the course for the crapsack world that is Nosgoth.

@@Fred63205 I'm confused with your reply, and even more confused what relation has to my comment, idk.

Soul Reaver 2 has the best dialogue in the series, I think.

Good theory - as it explains why the Builder was so remorseful. Like real world scientists who worked on atomic energy research only for it to be used as a weapon to kill millions.

doubt it

Why can all of the elder gods powers be explained by the powers of his two pillar guardian followers Mortanious and Moebius

There's no reason to suspect that the pillars made the Elder God weak. The changes in size can just as easily be due to "natural" growth. Remember that in cases we see the pillars pristine, it's in the past, the EG is simply younger. While the opposite certainly seems observable, that by weakening the pillars the EG grows much stronger. Could be that he's been syphoning the pillars' power somehow, or just that he grows fat from the rampant corruption and bloodshed - causing souls to cycle into death faster. I don't think it's his primary reason for weakening the pillars though. He wants the Hylden to be able to operate in Nosgoth unimpeded, as he's expecting them to serve better than the current vampires. Notice that as time progresses, we never see the pillars restored, so we cannot for certain say that restoring the pillars would directly weaken the EG.

But Kain has to be black and Raziel gay, lol. Better not

I have lots more ideas for Legacy of Kain content. These videos just take a long time to produce. Admittedly, this one has quite a bit of speculation, but there seems to be a good appetite out there for more of this lore.

@@strictlyfantasyNothing wrong with speculation. Look at all those Dark Souls lore channels.

Cast the pillars aside. The elder is obsessed with the death of Kain's future self from the Soul Reaver era. We know he just wanted Raziel to do it because Raziel was the only one that could do it. I don't think he wants the binding destroyed just to benefit the Hylden race. In Soul Reaver the pillars are rubble anyway. I think he has a different goal Kain's future self's death would bring

As Raziel himself says in SR2: it looks like the Elder god is trying to pull the pillars down from his place beneath them. If the elder god is imprisoned by the pillers, it serves his purpose to have the Hylden destroy them. They're just useful tools, like everything is.

​​@@SymbioteMulletRaziel is being clueless. At that the Hylden being active actors in the events is not yet revealed. EG is not imprisoned anywhere. You encounter pieces of him in multiple places all over Nosgoth and his mind is present anywhere and anywhen. The reason he is stronger post collapse is because the world went to shit in a hand basket, and as a result - he's eating gooooood, at least until later times, when everything that's left is Kain's necromantic vampires, a handful of humans and some scavenger animals, and he starts to starve..

​@@SymbioteMulletmy hypothesis is the elder came into nosgoth from some other dimension, fooled Mortanious and Moebius into following him gaining their powers somehow making him present in all times in the physical and spectral realms. Or instead of coming from somewhere else he came from some corruption. Odd that only a sword cleaned of corruption is the only thing that can harm him

Frederick! There's something to it, Elder grabbing at pillar powers. He doesn't stop at just 2: He does telepathy (Mind), he shapes archons (Nature), drives world wars (Conflict), opens spectral portals and has a cloaking device for his material realm body (Dimension), and if I haven't mentioned some pillars he could account for those with powers not yet revealed. This fits best with him not being the source of the pillars, but a scavenger siphoning abilities from them after they were raised. I don't think he wanted the war to end, and so didn't want the pillars. Why choose a future where hylden AND vampires end up immortal and their souls off the squid's menu? The vampires themselves chose that path out of desperation. They're the ones who just wanted the war to be over so they defied the will of the gods to do it, making gods of themselves. Their real offense. Pride before fall. Is the squid seen holding on to the pillars to avoid being Banished??? To steal these abilities from them via contact??? It's interesting that The Mass abomination is more like a dangerous amoeba, like a "before photo" and Elder is what can happen after an abonination is exposed to many more things like Time and Soul Feed. Look at how Janos goes from angel to demon after he's exposed to a "great underground machine." .....then look at how much distance Elder covers after his exposure to The Wheel, another great construct. Transformed from that amoeba starting point into a hyper-aware god who's less false every day.

I think the meaning is more literal: it meant the union of Raziel with the sword to arm Kain to defeat the Elder God