First Amendment Auditors Are Crazy

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@nonamegiven202
@nonamegiven202 Жыл бұрын
one of my favorite dark jokes "since people started carrying cameras in their pockets; aliens stopped visiting, Bigfoot disappeared, and the cops started killing innocent people"
@theduder2617
@theduder2617 Жыл бұрын
Yet "lizard alien people" somehow still exist and majority vote is incorrectly viewed as theft. Modern phones have only exacerbated the intentional ignorance which first began being an issue back in 1996.
@Bored_Barbarian
@Bored_Barbarian Жыл бұрын
@@spnyp33 yes. Audit the audit is certainly the most balanced approach. I’ve unfollowed others who were too reactive
@skoop651
@skoop651 Жыл бұрын
Sometimes I wonder if Democrats sole purpose is to spread crime. Supporting mass illegal immigration, hating police, supporting crime filled cities like Portland, New York, Los Angeles, D.C., Chicago, supporting drug use, hating Kyle Rittenhouse for killing a p*do that tried assaulting him. It all adds up.
@maddermax74
@maddermax74 Жыл бұрын
@notfiveo but the situation aint illegal so whats the problem cops are Law enforcement not Feeling enforcement , like everything there some bad apples out there but there a ton of good ones, and a lot of the good ones if it ever ends up in court they donate the money to charities and they just want the govement to act as they should
@420snoogins
@420snoogins Жыл бұрын
​@notfiveo doesn't matter, 1st Amendment is a Constitutional right, auditors are perfectly within their rights, if pigs get mad about being recorded they're the problem.
@theylied1776
@theylied1776 Жыл бұрын
Let's not forget that the Black Panthers were the first ones to conduct a 2nd amendment audit in California. The police showed up, and verify that every black panther member had permits for their guns. This act frightened the then governor, Ronald Reagan, so badly that he had the NRA write the most restrictive gun-control law in California history.
@alrightk
@alrightk Жыл бұрын
People love that movie star turned president. It’s a shame if you break it down and see the racism.
@coolphoton1234
@coolphoton1234 Жыл бұрын
@@alrightk To be fair, regardless of skin color, race, or creed I get more than a bit nervous when large groups of people show up with lots of guns. There is an intrinsic threat to a mass of people with weapons, regardless of there intent, and several bloodbaths have started because one idiot in a crowd did one violent thing and started a slaughter.
@Chic_Ken
@Chic_Ken Жыл бұрын
​@@coolphoton1234mass hysteria - with guns! No thank you
@brayanvelez2517
@brayanvelez2517 Жыл бұрын
@@coolphoton1234 still, it’s ridiculously ironic that Reagan convinced the NRA for that restrictive gun control law in California because of Black people exercising their 2nd Amendment right.
@tybooskie
@tybooskie Жыл бұрын
​@@coolphoton1234Not relevant in this context.
@timsawyer9231
@timsawyer9231 11 ай бұрын
12:15 Interesting that he left out the part where the cops were talking about how 5 years ago he would have been on the ground, while they walked away. They were recording talking about it on their own body cams.
@bmanagement4657
@bmanagement4657 10 ай бұрын
Lawyers are grifters too
@nickcompton5981
@nickcompton5981 10 ай бұрын
He left lots of info out on people. This guy put Long Island audit in the problem starter section, lol. Him or his research team clearly don't think very highly of auditors.
@rational_skeptic98
@rational_skeptic98 10 ай бұрын
@@nickcompton5981 You must not watch of lot that frauditors stuff, he is always trying to provoke someone and get a reaction like every other frauditor.
@avradio0b
@avradio0b 10 ай бұрын
@@nickcompton5981 It's the tricky part of these short-form videos. I think LegalEagle also tries to show both sides evenly, when both sides may not always have equal points.
@blacknosugarnocream
@blacknosugarnocream 10 ай бұрын
​@@bmanagement4657- Lawyers are grifters and ACAB.
@JM-pb4hf
@JM-pb4hf 11 ай бұрын
I don't like watching audit videos but I do enjoy the channel Audit the Audit, who breaks down possible arguments or laws of the interaction, giving the officers and the auditor a grade at the end for their conduct and approach to the interaction.
@craigstephenson7676
@craigstephenson7676 8 ай бұрын
Yeah, but I much prefer the videos where he reviews police encounters with non-auditors, as the circumstances they are in are more applicable to the average citizen.
@ericpatten6204
@ericpatten6204 5 ай бұрын
Yeah but what about who audits the one who audits the auditors 😂
@pugachevskobra5636
@pugachevskobra5636 4 ай бұрын
Audit the Audit is not a first amendment auditor and you know that. He covers interactions between regular citizens and overbearing and violent cops. Devin is specifically referring to the freak lunatics.
@maribaby
@maribaby 4 ай бұрын
You have stay out the way
@TheVoidofNothing11
@TheVoidofNothing11 4 ай бұрын
​@@ericpatten6204That's what I want. Someone who goes up to the auditor's and audit them to make sure they're the real deal, or doing it for clips.
@phobos258
@phobos258 Жыл бұрын
It's amazing how police misconduct magically started when video camera started being everywhere.
@dolfuny
@dolfuny Жыл бұрын
​@@-ThatGuy-ah the good ol days when violence never happened
@jamesb3497
@jamesb3497 Жыл бұрын
And it's really weird how Bigfoot disappeared around the same time.
@sezedal
@sezedal Жыл бұрын
​@@dolfuny I remember how peaceful time was... Until call of duty: world war got released and oh boy, shit started popping up out of nowhere.
@MagicManICT
@MagicManICT Жыл бұрын
@@-ThatGuy- Exactly. Nobody really got shot in gunfights in the 19th century!
@janemiettinen5176
@janemiettinen5176 Жыл бұрын
And how its cured in most cases by giving the officer in question couple days of paid vacation. Or just a stern “naughty, naughty” from their superiors. Or whats even more intolerable, just ignoring the problem completely.
@askbobcarson1141
@askbobcarson1141 Жыл бұрын
Honorable mention to afroman, being sued for filming police in his own home ✌
@GMDOCNICE
@GMDOCNICE Жыл бұрын
🎶I was gonna NOT film the cops...but then I Got High...🎶
@mcnultyssobercompanion6372
@mcnultyssobercompanion6372 Жыл бұрын
AfroMan's just another glib exploiter of what The First Amendment is designed for, ideally. A professional harasser cosplaying as an activist. I have stood up for him though. I saw a cop shove him hard against a cop car simply for turning his head. No need for that.
@trevorhegstrom2816
@trevorhegstrom2816 Жыл бұрын
Do you think they ever helped him repair his door?
@julietardos5044
@julietardos5044 Жыл бұрын
@@GMDOCNICE La da da da da
@bensmith4563
@bensmith4563 10 ай бұрын
​@trevorhegstrom2816 of course not they're sueing him
@jerseyshoredroneservices225
@jerseyshoredroneservices225 11 ай бұрын
One of my favorites is the Honor your oath guy, Jeff. he's the most non confrontational guy you could imagine. Just stands around holding a sign and inevitably somebody calls the cops on him. How the cops react is about a fifty-fifty split. Sometimes they tell him to carry-on and other times they try to tell him to move on...
@countzulu99
@countzulu99 10 ай бұрын
yeah I prefer good vibes versus personally insulting and demeaning people. TOO APREE is a good vibes guy I watch but im looking for more thanks for the recommendation
@septegram
@septegram 9 ай бұрын
_Honor_ Your Oath, by Jeff Gray.
@jerseyshoredroneservices225
@jerseyshoredroneservices225 9 ай бұрын
@@septegram Yes, that's him
@countzulu99
@countzulu99 9 ай бұрын
@@jerseyshoredroneservices225 been watching him off your recommendation (even if the name was a little wrong haha) and he’s great
@user-ob2mo9bb3v
@user-ob2mo9bb3v 8 ай бұрын
And yet, he gets the worse end of ignorant neanderthal cops who are a disgrace to their communities, the nation, and our fragile constitution. Sadly our system has degraded to back the blue over the highest law in the land.
@venus_de_lmao
@venus_de_lmao 10 ай бұрын
the guy literally standing in front of the bank saying "God willing, peace be with you 🤣
@SlavaEremenko
@SlavaEremenko 2 ай бұрын
but he is saying so in a scary tone!
@whitestarlinegoodnight
@whitestarlinegoodnight Жыл бұрын
In summary: every social and political movement will have grifters. First amendment auditors are no exception.
@utubepunk
@utubepunk Жыл бұрын
I enjoy watching 1A videos & while I don't like the antagonistic types who provoke, I'm curious what you think the grift is.
@unknowngamer37415
@unknowngamer37415 Жыл бұрын
A part of that might be that (especially on KZfaq because of warnings below the video) many sovereign citizens get lumped in with auditors and vice versa.
@Lobsterwithinternet
@Lobsterwithinternet Жыл бұрын
@@utubepunk Attention and affirming their own self-righteousness. Nothing too difficult to understand. Not even bringing in money.
@EV21
@EV21 Жыл бұрын
This is the correct response. Filming the police and ensuring they aren’t violating laws and are respecting rights is ALWAYS the right thing to do. Also, there are many people who don’t do that/don’t truly give af but claim to because they can make a buck
@tomc8888
@tomc8888 Жыл бұрын
@@utubepunk clicks and views and in at least one case (Long Island Audit), merch sales.
@Ichibushido
@Ichibushido Жыл бұрын
I generally support auditors who take the time to actually understand the law and who at least act as though they genuinely care about police accountability.
@Nerazmus
@Nerazmus Жыл бұрын
Those are few and far between. Most are idiots who are actually breaking the law.
@tomc8888
@tomc8888 Жыл бұрын
Seriously, I'd really like to know what marching into a post office or library claiming to be an independent journalist and pointing a smartphone at everybody and everything does to deal with the problem of police misconduct..
@Buttercar420
@Buttercar420 Жыл бұрын
Agreed! And it seems essential in a free society.
@Ichibushido
@Ichibushido Жыл бұрын
@@tomc8888 And that is why I put qualifiers in my statement.I Don't consume a bunch of that content, the channels I have seen generally showcase auditors who either know the law or comport themselves reasonably. I definitely agree a nut job running into a public space with the specific intent to cause a problem is extremely unproductive.
@danielpritchard510
@danielpritchard510 Жыл бұрын
Iv yet to see one that dosnt harass people trying to do their job 0 respect for people not wanting to be filmed just because u can legally do it dont mean your not an ass
@Tunasauce
@Tunasauce 11 ай бұрын
This is such a touchy subject. I love the idea of a first amendment audit I hate the execution online that is driven to get views. BTW, some are excellent and respectful. Like in life, not all are bad
@snowfrosty1
@snowfrosty1 10 ай бұрын
Most are meh to VERY BAD!. Yet obviously there are diamonds in the rough, like Audit the Audit, KIC & Honor your Oath.
@Thulzor
@Thulzor 9 ай бұрын
Well even douchebags have rights.
@brandonhammond3413
@brandonhammond3413 9 ай бұрын
⁠@@snowfrosty1I’d add Long Island Audit to that “Diamonds in the Rough” list.
@requisharockingham7580
@requisharockingham7580 9 ай бұрын
Yes I agree…. The Audit starts out wrong , by the way they approach
@ryandtibbetts2962
@ryandtibbetts2962 9 ай бұрын
Accountability For All, on the other hand, is a lump of coal.
@ambi3nttech
@ambi3nttech 10 ай бұрын
12:26 “shouts”??? lol He was so calm and polite in that video while the cop was an absolute bully for no reason.
@ShivaX51
@ShivaX51 Жыл бұрын
"The public is well aware of their Constitutional rights to film in public." Until it gets to court, then the cops not knowing it is a basis for a Qualified Immunity defense.
@LaMarcheFutilé101
@LaMarcheFutilé101 Жыл бұрын
Ignorance and violence, two tastes that go great with the American justice system!
@1SCme
@1SCme Жыл бұрын
*_Qualified immunity_** doesn't mean what many think it means.* For example, filming government workers has been tested in enough courts not to have qualified immunity as a valid defense.
@Tuffsmoygles
@Tuffsmoygles Жыл бұрын
@@1SCme so, yes and no. It doesn't cover "clearly established" law. But that's all subjective, and good luck getting a DA that works with that police force every day to prosecute them. Ending qualified immunity would make cops able to be personally sued for their crimes, so that we don't have to rely on DA's or suing an entire city (which costs the police nothing). They need to be balanced with a national SLAP law to prevent abuse.
@1SCme
@1SCme Жыл бұрын
@@Tuffsmoygles *_Qualified immunity_ definitely doesn't mean what many think it means. Criminal prosecutions isn't the only use of QI, filming government employees at work most definitely is NOT a basis to claim QI, QI and filming government workers in public is established law, you don't need to eliminate QI to personally sue LEOs for their crimes, you would still need a prosecutor for criminal charges (not effected by QI), QI can be claimed by the city in defense of a civil suit just as it can be claimed by the individual.
@ruthy08
@ruthy08 Жыл бұрын
​@@Tuffsmoyglesyou don't "sue" anyone for their crimes. QI doesn't protect criminal activity. Press charges, just like you would with anyone else. QI just protects government employees from personal lawsuits resulting from operating in official capacity. The sheer number of government employees who've been charged with and/or convicted of crimes should be all you need to realize that you don't know what QI is.
@lornenoland8098
@lornenoland8098 Жыл бұрын
I had to train security on this. Ignore the camera. Only address the bad behavior (loitering, harassing staff, disrupting operations, etc). They want to make it about the recording, but a person can’t go anywhere or do anything just because they’ve got a camera in hand that they couldn’t otherwise
@utubepunk
@utubepunk Жыл бұрын
Cops often use loitering as a threat to get people to stop filming them & make them go away. As long as you're in a publicly accessible area, you can film.
@Buttercar420
@Buttercar420 Жыл бұрын
Love the training! Keep it up. The broad assumsions at the end you can keep.
@WukongTheMonkeyKing
@WukongTheMonkeyKing Жыл бұрын
The best tip I can give security is "be boring". Boring generally doesn't make good content. Boring generally doesn't cause lawsuits. Boring generally results in less paperwork.
@1SCme
@1SCme Жыл бұрын
*There is a way around it.* Post signs saying _"no _*_electronic devices_*_ permitted without prior approval of staff."_ They are allowed to impose this restriction, this would eliminate video and audio recording and photography unless done with a mechanical camera or device.
@fredbays
@fredbays Жыл бұрын
@@WukongTheMonkeyKing Cop: but i like paper work I get ot do it while doing over time and so I make more $.
@MinecraftSurge
@MinecraftSurge 3 күн бұрын
shining camera lights in cops faces is bs. they regularly shine mega ultra bright flash lights in everyones faces, but then if anyone shines any light at them, they say they got disoriented and arrest you for battery. So knowing that crooked habit, it seems that "the camera light disoriented me" seems like in the same category of bs.
@indiemusicpress4091
@indiemusicpress4091 Сағат бұрын
EXACTLY!
@tristynmarie10
@tristynmarie10 5 ай бұрын
I can understand making sure government officials are upholding their oath. But people that go up to cops to verbally Assault them while doing theirs duty is very immature and annoying.
@alienbob21
@alienbob21 Жыл бұрын
I enjoy Audit the Audit. He holds the auditors and police or whoever accountable for their actions. And grades them on the interaction.
@elixier33
@elixier33 10 ай бұрын
Yeah and he actually knows what he's talking about.
@kosgoth
@kosgoth 10 ай бұрын
He used to, now he's an auditor lense licker. Repeats the false narrative that buildings are always public forums, they aren't. It's easier to get clicks and views hating on cops rather than always accepting the law.
@burningsnow9870
@burningsnow9870 10 ай бұрын
​@kosgoth I mean he states it based on the state's law the incident he's reviewing happened
@kosgoth
@kosgoth 10 ай бұрын
@@burningsnow9870 He also cuts out tons of the bad behaviour and ignores laws violated when it doesn't work for his narrative. He supported Direct D a career felon that has current warrants for his threats to police, and for his repeated offenses. He then dishonestly claimed Direct Dbag was denied council, when it was actually Direct D doxing and harassing 5 different councel and he was lying about how much he earned because his frauditing channel is in his wife's name. (direct D was claiming indigency when he's actually committing tax fraud) Support criminals like frauditors and you are trash. Audit the Audit is trash.
@storytime6263
@storytime6263 10 ай бұрын
Just follow the common sense of don't be a dick. You can be respectful and not a asshat and stand up for your rights. But some of these Auditors are just assholes and looking to make trouble.
@unknowngamer37415
@unknowngamer37415 Жыл бұрын
I started watching first amendment audit stuff a long time ago and after a while I realized how varied it was. Some people know every applicable law off the top of their head and some people who don't know laws that everyone should know. Ex - one guy was threatened with arrest for filming in the front of a post office even after showing the sign on the wall where it stated it was illegal to prevent filming in that area.(edit - the post office workers were fine with recording someone else called) Ex 2 one guy thought he could drive without a license plate or registration (sovereign citizen) and that by filming he would be let go Audit the Audit is good at checking the legal side of this stuff and has multiple videos on bad "auditors" but doesn't ignore when officer behavior.
@Katerine459
@Katerine459 Жыл бұрын
...and somewhere in the middle is the guy who walks into a government office building and harrasses the office workers who are just trying to get their work done. :/
@jayspeidell
@jayspeidell Жыл бұрын
Audit the Audit is an excellent channel. And they do a ton of leg work. No "it depends" answers, they cite relevant case law and dig deep into local laws.
@arsonistictarantula3036
@arsonistictarantula3036 Жыл бұрын
@@Katerine459 Walking around in public, quietly videotaping, isn't harassment, just to be clear.
@ExarchGaming
@ExarchGaming Жыл бұрын
There is this one dude, who acts like he knows all the laws, but he rarely if ever gets it right. There is a video about him (his name is Chille) from a channel called GunnerTV. He calls himself a law scholar even though he doesn't have any form of education. He's the type of dude that screams and hurls as much abuse at a cop as he possibly can, trying to provoke them intentionally. the video gunnartv released on him is called " The Obnoxious World Of Police Audits " there is also a follow up where chille tries to intimidate and scare gunner with a threat of a lawsuit.
@Katerine459
@Katerine459 Жыл бұрын
@@arsonistictarantula3036 I was specifically referring to one video I saw about a year ago, where a guy walked into a government office -- not just an office building, but an office, mind you -- and started videotaping and bothering an office worker (calling her things like "sweetheart") (by office worker, think, "clerk"), even after she asked him to stop. Just because somebody's paycheck happens to come from the government doesn't make them fair game for harrassment.
@howelljo1098
@howelljo1098 8 ай бұрын
Reyes is actually calm and polite. He is not abusive like many auditors. Danbury police were way out of line in their use of force and commentary afterward.
@marleylove510
@marleylove510 7 ай бұрын
Reyes sucks, his condescending attitude is awful, and just because he doesn’t yell, doesn’t not make him an a$$hole. And he puts out a lot of misinformation.
@brianjones7660
@brianjones7660 Ай бұрын
he is a convict, armed Robbery in NYS. Also a pedophile, impregnating a 14 yr old girl when he was 19. Not a fine citizen....
@utubepunk
@utubepunk Ай бұрын
@@brianjones7660 [Citation Needed]
@kingvire
@kingvire 5 ай бұрын
I think my main problem with the audit stuff is that typically people come looking for trouble and will film into offices and random people rather than actually trying to have a productive conversation.
@Jesus.X
@Jesus.X 2 ай бұрын
One auditor here would film women with their boyfriends at a restaurant then proclaim his right to film when the boyfriend confronted him at that point what they are doing is voyeurism.
@je2338
@je2338 Ай бұрын
There was one auditor that entered an office and filmed the secretary's breasts, like literally pointing his camera at them for an extended time.
@erice3525
@erice3525 13 күн бұрын
They are completely in their rights to do it. It's not illegal to make you feel uncomfortable, and you shouldn't feel like you have privacy in public ever. You are filmed 100's of times a day, why is it an issue when someone is physically holding it verses it being mounted on a building, or in car like a Tesla.
@je2338
@je2338 13 күн бұрын
@@erice3525 it may be legal (until they pass a threshold and it becomes trespass) and people are in fact recorded on cctv everywhere. But that cctv isn't in your face, recording your audio conversation (in most cases) and posting it on KZfaq for clicks. There's an ethical difference. Just like there's an ethical difference between auditors who lawfully recorded police interactions and auditors with criminal backgrounds (often child offences) who enter random businesses, sometimes ones that aren't publicly owned and acting irate, irrational all for clicks. Big difference.
@bherenow
@bherenow 12 күн бұрын
Yes, but there are plenty of auditors who genuinely try to start a dialogue leading to more respect for the public's rights. Long Island, Honor Your Oath, Battousai, to name just a few.
@WingedAsarath
@WingedAsarath Жыл бұрын
I'm an IT auditor for a living, and I had a tiny panic when I saw the video pop up in my feed before I realised we're talking a different type of auditor 😅
@nadnerb2k
@nadnerb2k Жыл бұрын
You've just increased the likelihood that Devin will go after your profession next......
@kellyc2425
@kellyc2425 Жыл бұрын
You're a REAL auditor. These other clowns are NOT.
@paulminshall8793
@paulminshall8793 Жыл бұрын
We are talking here about auditors who are apparently working for normal citizens, but were never appointed by the citizens.
@phoenixfire8978
@phoenixfire8978 Жыл бұрын
What does an IT auditor do? Make sure any sensitive information is being handled safely? Checking that a companies data storage and retention policy is performing as intended? That IT hardware is fit for purpose? Documenting the amount of B.S. IT techs have to deal with trying to get users to follow responsible password management?
@john2g1
@john2g1 Жыл бұрын
@@kellyc2425 Not every person that claims to be an auditor is the same. Please listen to the video again at 15:25 to the 16 minute mark.
@Ban-sidhe
@Ban-sidhe Жыл бұрын
Would love to see you do a video on Wizards of the Coast sending the Pinkertons to a man's house after he was accidently sent an unreleased Magic The Gathering set.
@sandybarnes887
@sandybarnes887 Жыл бұрын
I agree. Steve Lehto did a great video on it
@galacticgamer6635
@galacticgamer6635 Жыл бұрын
Oh I would love to see the youtuber's shifting story get taken apart.
@pnpgutterfold
@pnpgutterfold Жыл бұрын
omg did that really happen? that's WILD... I'm so glad they don't own the Pokemon TCG anymore
@sandybarnes887
@sandybarnes887 Жыл бұрын
@@pnpgutterfold yup. It's true
@matthewthomson6466
@matthewthomson6466 Жыл бұрын
It’s *wild* that the Pinkertons still exist, man. Their business was literally “we murder union leaders for money” and they somehow still exist. How.
@sarahs7669
@sarahs7669 4 ай бұрын
A Canadian guy tried doing this with Canadian cops but quoting American laws and, um. The laws aren’t the same here. Some people watch too much KZfaq and go to jail for that.
@robertshepard2117
@robertshepard2117 10 ай бұрын
A camera can't make you look good or bad,it's un unobjective witness. As far as "antagonizing police goes,if they cannot handle a person with a camera how well will they respond to a real emergency? The larger point is when the government restricts the citizens right to record public officials while performing their duties it restricts the publics ability to witness for themselves how our public servants are behaving and treating the citizens. If they take away your right to observe and film,what rights will they go after next? Trust me power doesn't want transparency, it just wants more power. This is why theese protections were put into the constitution to begin with.
@benjaminmatheny6683
@benjaminmatheny6683 Жыл бұрын
This is definitely something that can be done ethically. The issue is that the money is in the unethical confrontational style. Both to get you viral videos and to produce a police response severe enough to warrant a large payout in court. It's a corrupting incentive structure. The issue is that the government can violate your rights, but if they don't hurt you in the process you aren't getting much in a lawsuit.
@WitnessingTyranny
@WitnessingTyranny Жыл бұрын
What about the government workers getting promoted for false arrests and perjury?
@ExarchGaming
@ExarchGaming Жыл бұрын
you literally just took the words out of my mouth. This isn't about free speech or any sort of constitutional auditing, it's about clout, clicks, and money. I'd love to see some of these guys go try and enter a military base screaming about their rights. They won't do it (generally...) because they don't want a domestic terrorism charge or to get shot. So instead they go out on the streets and hurl as much abuse as they can possibly get out of their crooked ass throats and attempt to force an encounter.
@somebodyelse6673
@somebodyelse6673 Жыл бұрын
"police response severe enough to warrant a large payout in court" - is the problem. Legal ways of finding out your cops are that kind of ignorant thug, are not. You'd rather find out when the thugs brutalize someone not prepared for that?
@FnuMnuLnu
@FnuMnuLnu Жыл бұрын
Laws are not ethical and the auditing of our laws don't need to be done within an individuals ethical code. Please always remember that ethics are subjective.
@tomc8888
@tomc8888 Жыл бұрын
There's nothing ethical about how these guys conduct themselves, whether you're talking about Long Island Audits doing his act in a library or post office, or someone like the guy who goes by the name "Sidewalkboy 1A", who loudly harasses sidewalk diners in L. A. The whole genre is about clicks and views and KZfaq ad money.
@unwashedotaku
@unwashedotaku Жыл бұрын
Theres also a huge divide within the auditing community. I find that the auditors that peacefully assert their rights usually get better results and interactions and get the message out better those who go in hot. I know I certainly tend to stop listening to someone who screaming profanities at me. Even as ATA has said, "There's a time, place and manner in which to do these things"
@ArchibaldClumpy
@ArchibaldClumpy Жыл бұрын
Completely agree, although it's worth noting that even assholes have constitutional rights and confrontative auditors may provide valuable information about how police respect somebody's rights that make them impatient or genuinely inconvenience them. Although I still see videos like that and think the people are dumb shits.
@fredbays
@fredbays Жыл бұрын
Just what is a profanity what is profane to u is not to the next guy Remember it is a subjective term
@neeneko
@neeneko Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, given how the algorithm and, well, humans, work, one side of that divide gets a lot more attention.
@pmc1727
@pmc1727 Жыл бұрын
While it is human nature to get angry at people shouting at us. If an officer cannot handle one yahoo with a camera telling him what he/she can go do to themselves how do you think that officer will maintain their cool when 100 or 1000 are telling them to do so.
@0cypher0
@0cypher0 Жыл бұрын
Shouting profanities from 20ft away is one thing, creeping up on a police officer from behind, moving in between the officer and the suspect during a traffic stop or shining a bright light in their face at night is a wholly different matter. Also there are states with fighting words and disorderly conduct statutes that would allow the officer to issue a citation for such behaviour. I've seen a whole lot of misbehaviour just for clicks and views and to have something to e-beg over from frauditors.
@jollyroger6135
@jollyroger6135 Жыл бұрын
Let's make this simple. If you are standing in a publicly accessable space (public sidewalk, street, ect.) you are free to film anything in plain view (police, buildings ect). When you are on private property or in a building, it's dfferent but the general rule is there is no expectation of privacy in public. I'm a Deputy Sheriff and when somebody films me, I just wave and go about my business (my camera is on too).
@honestabe411
@honestabe411 11 ай бұрын
Hope you get what’s coming to you
@spanglishspeakingitinerant6631
@spanglishspeakingitinerant6631 10 ай бұрын
You are a gem in a basket full of trash. I applaud you.
@Inoffensive_name
@Inoffensive_name 9 ай бұрын
But you can delete and edit that footage, which you will absolutely do if you need to protect yourself or your other gang member friends when they commit crimes.
@jollyroger6135
@jollyroger6135 9 ай бұрын
@@Inoffensive_name no I can’t. Only the records department can redact footage. I couldn’t do that even if I wanted to
@ryandtibbetts2962
@ryandtibbetts2962 9 ай бұрын
​@@jollyroger6135but body cams can be turned off, covered up, or muffled, right?
@nerdjournal
@nerdjournal 8 ай бұрын
Reyes is actually one of the least confrontational auditors. The point was that they didn't have a right to restrict recording in there, and he absolutely didn't shout out why do you have to be a tyrant, he said it calmly because the cop was mocking him. I don't even agree with a ton of auditing, but Reyes from Long Island is the Gold Standard for what an Auditor should do.
@peterjeastman
@peterjeastman 8 ай бұрын
Yes! Spot on! LegalEagle should really issue a retraction!
@lakeozarkrei3767
@lakeozarkrei3767 6 ай бұрын
Agreed 💯
@lakeozarkrei3767
@lakeozarkrei3767 6 ай бұрын
@mrhistorybuff Terrible take... 'Confrontational'? By walking around in publicly accessible areas with a camera? He's ALWAYS respectful... even when the employees or police officers try to escalate the situation by having absolutely no clue as to what the laws are. Which is extremely egregious for 'law enforcement' officers. Seems like proper training would be in order for all people who are employed to serve the public. And just to clarify another point you're 100% wrong on... Mr. Reyes has never been to prison... he has been booked and released into jail several times. Of course, after the fact, he's been well compensated by these municipalities and counties for their lack of proper employee education. You should be thankful... during the course of his audits he's uncovered multiple levels of corruption in several municipalities. Of course by your reply you seem to be the type that would rather just bury their head in the sand. If you're going to call yourself 'mrhistorybuff' you'd be wise to do a little research on the history of corruption in our country if left unchecked.
@kosgoth
@kosgoth 5 ай бұрын
@@lakeozarkrei3767 Was he being respectful when he pushed past a guard and trespassed at danbury where he was found guilty? Was he being respectful when he tried to pay his fine in pennies? No, these guys are just baiting prank channels.
@Xpurple
@Xpurple 5 ай бұрын
@@kosgoth : Paying in pennies is a peaceful protest and should be perfectly legal. It's legal tender and they should accept it.
@kevinkibbe2679
@kevinkibbe2679 Жыл бұрын
Audit the audit is a channel I like for this sort of thing. It takes an educational approach to everything which I appreciate
@Meatball2022
@Meatball2022 Жыл бұрын
But he doesn’t go into a location and create a situation. He simply analyzes one that’s happened involving others. Huge difference.
@avacadomangobanana2588
@avacadomangobanana2588 Жыл бұрын
I like when he grades black people for how the reacted when they get racially profiled
@septicember
@septicember Жыл бұрын
@@Meatball2022 yea and more auditors should do that instead of creating public disturbances :')
@Meatball2022
@Meatball2022 Жыл бұрын
@@septicember the difference is simple. $. Most “auditors” have criminal records causing them not to be able to get real jobs. Thus they are willing to get arrested to make a few extra bucks
@TommyJonesProductions
@TommyJonesProductions Жыл бұрын
@@Meatball2022 - the auditors don't create the situation, though. It's the people trying to violate their rights who create the situation.
@TheRetroGamers
@TheRetroGamers Жыл бұрын
Love to watch "Audit the Audit". He comments on the legal situations in videos and does a great job of it.
@saddestchord7622
@saddestchord7622 Жыл бұрын
I'd like somebody to audit Audit the Audit. It seems really well researched and unbiased, but since I'm not a lawyer and he claims he's not a lawyer, I'm often wondering if he's correct or not.
@jimland7176
@jimland7176 Жыл бұрын
He isn’t bad, but has the same issue as a lot of auditors even if he isn’t one himself. He bends over backwards for the Auditor who is being needlessly provocative and anything from the police other than “understandable have a nice day” gets an F
@Gehrich_
@Gehrich_ Жыл бұрын
@@jimland7176 He weighs police conduct more strictly because they have policies that require them to remain respectful in their interactions. He gives many officers B grades for how well they handle themselves despite showing clear misunderstandings of the law, and he gives many auditors C or lower for using profanity, becoming belligerent, and/or practicing audits without understanding the law. He tends to give a letter grade bump to whoever was in the right, which is why some auditors get a B when doing only one of the things I listed. There's a pattern for how he weighs these things, though his lack of a systematic approach for such nuanced encounters leads to a clear variance in grade consistency.
@TheForeignNationalBornNatural
@TheForeignNationalBornNatural Жыл бұрын
​@@saddestchord7622he's a damn boot locker
@jonathanwagner3845
@jonathanwagner3845 11 ай бұрын
He actually leans against the police. Should just stay non biased. But he wouldn't have the following.
@42322
@42322 2 күн бұрын
I am glad they are here standing up for our rights. I personally can't afford to be arrested and go to court, so if my rights are infriged upon, i will comply like most citizens, so cops try to get away with to much a lot. This makes them rhink twice before abusing their power.
@hypercactus6489
@hypercactus6489 10 ай бұрын
Secerity guard should have at least got a charge of neglect discharge of a fire arm. You can’t shoot your wepon as a threat
@canadianbuttpunchgoddess3058
@canadianbuttpunchgoddess3058 10 ай бұрын
The system is that corrupt reality does not matter.
@Videogamer-555
@Videogamer-555 2 ай бұрын
I've heard that police training teaches you to NEVER fire your weapon, unless you are attempting to use lethal force. Discharging your weapon under any other conditions like a "warning shot" will get you immediately fired from the police force. But sadly it seems this one cop was NOT fired.
@williamatkins3465
@williamatkins3465 Жыл бұрын
I remember going up in the 60's - 70's and people driving around with police scanners and Super 8 video cameras doing exactly this so they could sell it to local news
@WitnessingTyranny
@WitnessingTyranny Жыл бұрын
The government is used to consistent and casual rights violations with no oversight. All the gov and legal systems make all their money off the innocent as well as the guilty. It's a sham. They've all been exposed. That's the real problem and need for the propaganda.
@LC-sc3en
@LC-sc3en Жыл бұрын
It isn't exactly this. Those people were recording actual interactions between police and citizens that they didn't instigate. These auditors create the situation they then record.
@tomc8888
@tomc8888 Жыл бұрын
Look up a very good and very underrated movie from a few years ago called "Nightcrawler" that deals with this. Woefully underseen movie, and maybe Jake Gyllenhaal's best screen performance.
@ShinobiSora
@ShinobiSora Жыл бұрын
An episode of Adam-12 has this exact plot.
@PC_YouTube_Channel
@PC_YouTube_Channel Жыл бұрын
@@LC-sc3en Did you watch the same video I did? Yes, some bad actors use the guide of auditing to do exactly this. But Auditors in general and in the purest sense do not.
@Ali-gator1
@Ali-gator1 9 ай бұрын
rights need to be exercised to maintain their relevance and effectiveness. In other words, if we don’t use our rights, we risk losing them.
@cc-yk6vr
@cc-yk6vr 24 күн бұрын
You don’t have the right to harass people.
@christopherwilson2785
@christopherwilson2785 3 ай бұрын
If cops just comply with the law, they have nothing to worry about.
@AdmiralKnight
@AdmiralKnight Жыл бұрын
Great video and ultimately the correct conclusion. There's a massive difference between recording yourself yelling racist slurs at a cop for 10 minutes and standing outside city hall with a sign that says 'God bless the homeless vets'
@ultraguy14
@ultraguy14 Жыл бұрын
No there isn't.
@futball51
@futball51 Жыл бұрын
No there isn’t
@msytdc1577
@msytdc1577 Жыл бұрын
No there isn't
@Eon2641
@Eon2641 Жыл бұрын
@@ultraguy14 Naw, there is lol.
@keithpedersen3653
@keithpedersen3653 Жыл бұрын
Not undet the law
@heartyunho0716
@heartyunho0716 Жыл бұрын
If im out with other officers on an arrest and i see someone recording, i will ask the arrestee/detainee if they know the person recording and if they are ok with it. Those are usually the only times i will ASK someone to stop recording. The only othe time was when a woman was having a mental health crisis where she took her clothes off and was walking around naked. We had to detain her until EMS got there to get her to the hospital (and they were taking FOREVER). We had to handcuff her and i ended up putting my raincoat over her to cover her up. I asked a woman to stop recording for the patient's privacy ask she was clearly having a mental health crisis. My department will periodically remind us to be aware of 1st Ammendment Auditors.
@utubepunk
@utubepunk Жыл бұрын
That's fair. Someone who continues to film in that circumstance is being exploitative.
@Steve-xo5pq
@Steve-xo5pq Жыл бұрын
As someone who has delt with mental health stuff for a while now I'm really thankful to you for being considerate and respectful!
@jbone665
@jbone665 Жыл бұрын
That is in general how these situations should be handled. We focus on the bad but forget there are far more out there trying to be good. One issue I have though is in many of the "bad" videos (I will use George Floyd as an example as it is widely known) we have one cop doing the assault but we have a number of others standing around doing nothing when the situation has gone too far. If you have any insight into this I am all ears but from my angle I see a lot of these situations with other cops just standing by while. It gets worse when police reports end up matching the events but the video shows something different. I do recognize that there isn't a one size fits all solution but I also think the police culture forces cops to stand by when things go to far and cover for each other in extreme cases.
@heartyunho0716
@heartyunho0716 Жыл бұрын
@jbone665 if you need to cuff someone on the ground, best practice is ALWAYS to cuff them and then sit them up, BECAUSE of the potential for position asphyxiation. This isn't a concern that was new with George Floyd. I think Chauvin got sucked in by his own ego and experience. I think some of the other officers were comfortable to let him take control. I think they all, at best acted with criminal negligence because theoughout that video, there is no reason why he shouldve been on the ground that long. Had a guy once who we had to cuff on the ground, we did that, he struggled, so one of the officers attempted to put his knee across the man's shoulders...I saw that it wasn't quite right so I tapped his knee and said "hey, bud, watch your knee" he moved his knee. We sat this guy up buy he struggled, got to his feet and we brought him to the ground again, but we placed him on his side and neither of us was on top of him. We were just using our hands to keep him in place.
@bennydave4160
@bennydave4160 Жыл бұрын
Sounds like a decent department
@randallminchew6780
@randallminchew6780 4 ай бұрын
Purposely harassing the cops is messed up. However, when the cops are bullying people that’s wrong as well.
@iansaviet600
@iansaviet600 Жыл бұрын
Would be really interested in you breaking down the charge of "Resisting Arrest"
@troyevitt2437
@troyevitt2437 Жыл бұрын
For one, there is NO LONGER the "Bed Elk v USA" protection to resist unlawful arrest by force. Even UNLAWFUL arrest must be submitted to at the time, and then you resolve the matter with Internal Affairs or the Civil Courts. There are NO lawyers that would EVER advise one to resist ANY arrest there in then at the time; it only digs the hole deeper and limits your chances for a positive redress of grievances and your lawyer getting you some sweet cash. Let the pigs pig for the moment, be the compliant good guy they wrongly f/ked with and let them look bad in court.
@annward7794
@annward7794 Жыл бұрын
Srsly
@troyevitt2437
@troyevitt2437 Жыл бұрын
@@annward7794 "Resisting Arrest" is a "shoehorn-charge"...that doesn't mean that sometimes there's not a legitimate application of the legal term. "Disorderly Conduct" and "Causing a Disturbance" are also applicable "shoehorn-charges". I DO NOT want to see police slapping "Disorderly Conduct" onto "Causing a Disturbance" every "abrogation" of Constitutional Rights, but I do want to give the cops less-lethal discretion to get the ABSOLUTE IDIOTS under control but once taken into custody, the idiots' Constitutional Rights FULLLY apply.
@mattalford3932
@mattalford3932 Жыл бұрын
4:10 he was arrested 4 times, and all charges were dropped is kinda proof of the effectiveness of filming cops.
@nikolailang4157
@nikolailang4157 2 ай бұрын
How do you resist arrest if you get jumped by cops and they start beating you?
@Videogamer-555
@Videogamer-555 2 ай бұрын
@@nikolailang4157 By not laying 100% limp on the ground. If the cops feel so much as the slightest movement of muscles in your body, they can legally claim resisting arrest, and file charges against you accordingly. And I'm pretty sure the law actually supports that interpretation of resisting. If it didn't, the cops wouldn't still claim resisting in such situations even to this day.
@alexv3866
@alexv3866 2 ай бұрын
Auditors are essential to ensure that criminal and corrupt police activities are kept in check. As a law enforcer, it is your duty to adhere to and uphold the law, especially when wearing the badge.
@lucasvieira8357
@lucasvieira8357 2 ай бұрын
I'm not from US, in my country we don't have the 1's amendment. Here you can be arrested for speech. So you guys should absolutely fight for you rights and for police accountability, before your country become like mine.
@jimmoynahan9910
@jimmoynahan9910 14 күн бұрын
So can Americans, genius.
@tessaarmstrong4770
@tessaarmstrong4770 Жыл бұрын
This reminds me of lower stakes instance years and years ago where a cop pulled over a woman right in front of our house while we were already outside and tried to tell us we were doing something illegal by witnessing his harassment of this woman. She was a neighbor so we were already familiar with her bright pink “save the tatas” breast cancer car and stayed out there sitting in the driveway while he desperately tried to find a reason to detain her for having a bright pink “save the tatas” breast cancer car without having three additional witnesses. I think at one point one of us started filming and he very quickly wrapped up and “let her go with a warning” (for what I don’t really know). She told us after that that particular cop pulled her over before because of the nature of her car but it was sponsored and she had a permit or something. Also she was a breast cancer survivor so it was something she wasn’t going to just give up on since it was totally above board and deeply personal to her.
@plnkfloydian7814
@plnkfloydian7814 10 ай бұрын
When I was younger I was drinking in my garage when a cop pulled up and asked to speak with me. I meet him in the street and get arrested for public intoxication.
@MegaRzen
@MegaRzen 10 ай бұрын
In Perry Educ. Ass’n v. Perry Educators’ Ass’n, 460 U.S. 37 (1983), the Supreme Court divided forums into three types: traditional public forums, limited or designated public forums, non public forums
@phoenix-rising-86
@phoenix-rising-86 10 ай бұрын
​@@plnkfloydian7814that was your mistake to leave private property, lesson learned tell them to kick rocks and only because they're always on a fishing expedition. ✌
@damien678
@damien678 10 ай бұрын
​@@phoenix-rising-86 It wasn't their mistake it was the pig taking the piss. That'd be like saying it a cop camped outside a pub it'd be cool for him to arrest anyone leaving it ffs
@phoenix-rising-86
@phoenix-rising-86 10 ай бұрын
@@damien678 the term is entrapment. You taught me nothing 🙄
@Menosfilms
@Menosfilms Жыл бұрын
What’s scary is here In Phoenix they were really pushing hard a law where you could not film police officers AT ALL, and if you did you would have to be 15 feet away or more. But knowing how officers are, they would just walk towards you and cuff you for recording. The law almost went into effect and then it just never did.
@tvrdabomb
@tvrdabomb 11 ай бұрын
It never went into effect because it was deemed unconstitutional and was blocked
@turc9808
@turc9808 11 ай бұрын
He talked about it dum my
@deantebritton
@deantebritton 10 ай бұрын
That's the stupidest law I've ever heard of
@President.GeorgeWashington
@President.GeorgeWashington 9 ай бұрын
​@@deantebrittondon't get worked up about it. There's no way it would have ever passed
@joshuaperrine2019
@joshuaperrine2019 8 ай бұрын
​@@deantebrittonyou must not have heard many laws
@drexellay5423
@drexellay5423 5 ай бұрын
Taking photographs and video of things that are plainly visible in public spaces is a constitutional right-and that includes transportation facilities, the outside of federal buildings, and police and other government officials carrying out their duties
@newhorizonsforfifty2833
@newhorizonsforfifty2833 9 ай бұрын
I want an "Audit the Auditor" situation.
@JLo83
@JLo83 8 ай бұрын
There's literally a channel called Audit the Audit and it's fantastic content.
@joshuaperrine2019
@joshuaperrine2019 7 ай бұрын
@@JLo83 It's honestly not. AtA leans heavily on the side of the frauditors.
@joshuaperrine2019
@joshuaperrine2019 7 ай бұрын
DummyKruger is a much better auditor of frauditors.
@antiunclematter9502
@antiunclematter9502 6 ай бұрын
why are you so obsessed? is this all you do with your time when you're not working 8-5 cleaning the floors at city hall?@@joshuaperrine2019
@nicodoe9396
@nicodoe9396 3 ай бұрын
That's a great idea lol. Get rid of these damn grifters. Or maybe take away their KZfaq monetization and see if they still want to do it 😂. It's always about money not protecting the 1st amendment I
@PlactorHesma
@PlactorHesma Жыл бұрын
I'm stunned that when you referenced the Long Island Audit video at the Danbury, CT library, you chose to highlight the auditor calling one of the cops a tyrant, and not the veteran cop caught saying, "20 years ago that m***f*** would be dead."
@rippspeck
@rippspeck Жыл бұрын
I noticed the same thing. What do you expect from a lawyer, those people are infamous for their disingenuity.
@AngelicHunk
@AngelicHunk Жыл бұрын
Because he makes relatively brief and focused videos, and that clip is beside the point. The point of him referencing that video was to show that auditors are sometimes assholes; the point you want to make is that one of those cops is an asshole (or maybe just has temperament issues...because of the auditor, and so shouldn't be a cop). He already points out that cops certainly infringe on peoples' rights, and that auditors have spurred positive change. The clip you want included wouldn't add anything to his point.
@zaper2904
@zaper2904 Жыл бұрын
He was just practicing his first amendment right :) I thought you didn't have a problem with that?
@Sunny-kt1ni
@Sunny-kt1ni Жыл бұрын
@@zaper2904 Freedom of speech isn't freedom from criticism. Obviously they have no problem with it, they're exercising their first amendment rights too. I know defending police and random youtubers is fun, but if you're going to be smug about it at least make sense.
@zaper2904
@zaper2904 Жыл бұрын
@@Sunny-kt1ni Yeah they have no problem with it which is why he posted a comment about it and heavily implied that him saying that constitutes some sort of misconduct.
@NathanTaub
@NathanTaub Жыл бұрын
Some context for the Furry Potato shooting: she was filming students being dropped off for class before she attempted to walk into the synagogue, tried to film through windows of classrooms, and attempted to enter the synagogue several times despite being told to leave by the security guard. Also, the Tree Of Life synagogue shooting had taken place three months before, which was why Etz Jacob had an armed security guard in the first place and why he was a bit on edge. She didn't deserve what happened, but her behavior was quite insensitive.
@troyevitt2437
@troyevitt2437 Жыл бұрын
In most such encounters, the "auditor" is generally okay to film private property ON public property...but in the case of Furry Potato/Zhoie Perez, the security told her to get OUT OF SIGHT of the synagogue. That' s/he was already on public property, the sidewalk, was NOT GOOD ENOUGH....she was expected to GET OUT OF THEIR SIGHT and stop doing ANYTHING which impacted on the school and the guard was right to fire a warning shot...he would have been right to DELIBERATELY shoot her non-fatally, like in the calf where the ricochet landed.
@wood9670
@wood9670 Жыл бұрын
@@troyevitt2437 There is nowhere in the U.S. you can legally shoot a warning shot at or near a person for filming you from public property. It's fine if you believe she was acting unethically and you get a cathartic high from the knowledge her actions led her to get shot but the guard should have legitimately been charged for what he did.
@troyevitt2437
@troyevitt2437 Жыл бұрын
@@wood9670 There is nowhere in the U.S. a transgender can legally put a private religious school into lockdown and not expect to get shot. F.P.'s shooting was a foreshadowing of what happened in Tennessee last March. I'm all for gender-affirming healthcare, but FA/FO.
@thecontinental8978
@thecontinental8978 Жыл бұрын
I didn’t see any kids in the video and I didn’t see Furry try to enter the building.
@troyevitt2437
@troyevitt2437 Жыл бұрын
@@thecontinental8978 You heard Zhoie repeatedly told to stop lurking around the synagogue/yeshiva but did s/he? No...the fact is the yeshiva's principal gave a statement following the security officer's arrest. They hired armed security following the Tree of Life Synagogue attack in Pittsburgh and Zhoie Perez's actions resulted into the school going into lockdown.
@PointTheJavelin
@PointTheJavelin 5 ай бұрын
"Cast themselves as patriotic." They are patriotic.
@tr8001
@tr8001 Жыл бұрын
I work for a county Health and Human Services Department and we had a First Amendment Auditor try to enter places where people were receiving therapy and children were receiving birth to 3 services. Needless to say the auditor was a complete jerk and had no understanding of how we couldnt allow him to record in private areas due to HIPAA. It was horrible for the people who attempt to help others and scared a lot of people.
@countbenjamin1442
@countbenjamin1442 Жыл бұрын
HIPPA only applies to the doctors and offices from giving out the medical information. My question is why were you discussing or giving medical procedures in an open public lobby?
@coolphoton1234
@coolphoton1234 Жыл бұрын
@@countbenjamin1442 read what they said again: "...had no understanding of how we couldnt allow him to record in *private areas* due to HIPAA"
@adamn5821
@adamn5821 Жыл бұрын
HIPAA is for the employees. HIPAA violation would be on the employees. It is up to to employees to create the privacy. That type of thing should be done in a restricted private area where the public can't go. A non employee in a public accesable area would not be subject to a HIPAA violation.
@tr8001
@tr8001 Жыл бұрын
@@countbenjamin1442 He has snuck past a locked door when someone else went through it was a recording essentially in a restricted area. HIPAA applies more to than just "medical procedures" and includes any identifiable information that some is receiving treatment including therapy. So if someone is recording in an area where someone walks out of an AODA therapists office that would be a violation and yes i understand that its on the provider to comply with HIPAA and thats why he was asked to stop and asked to leave but refused. He was also an anti-vax nut yelling about how we were hiding the truth about the vaccine so yeah.
@iamjustkiwi
@iamjustkiwi Жыл бұрын
I finally found the original comment thread. About a dozen porn bots copied and pasted your comment and are getting far, FAR more engagement on it.
@gl15col
@gl15col Жыл бұрын
Anyone with an ounce of common sense would understand why the synagogue would be very nervous with someone hanging around for no apparent reason. Recent events gives them a very good reason to act to protect their property and lives. Why the heck was he bothering someone behind a locked door in a religious compound anyway?
@iamjustkiwi
@iamjustkiwi Жыл бұрын
Views on what I'm sure is a monetized channel. It's a perverse incentive that just encourages the behavior of these "auditors" who are simply out for clout. If a channel is monetized, that's a pretty clear indicator of their actual goal. Not creative enough to make meaningful content? Just go harass people in public and record it.
@OlYables
@OlYables Жыл бұрын
And anytime somebody tries to reason with a KZfaq auditor using the "in this day and age" excuse gets scoffed and sneered at by them. The legality is the be-all end-all position for them. "Is what I'm doing arrestable? No? Then I will keep doing it. I do not care if it offends, confuses, or frightens others. The feelings of others are irrelevant to the legality of my behavior." Does this seem like a good way to engage civically or to get people to support your cause?
@ancientgamer3645
@ancientgamer3645 14 күн бұрын
As an American citizen and a veteran, I am all for public recording by AUDITORS and COP WATCHERS.
@tonysolar284
@tonysolar284 11 ай бұрын
A security guard firing a weapon as a warning and the ricochet hitting an auditor outside of a property's boundaries seems like a cause for a Neglect of a Firearm charge to be issued. Security Guards don't have Qualified Immunity.
@kingkazuma2239
@kingkazuma2239 4 ай бұрын
It's private property though so she got what she asked for
@matthewmiller6068
@matthewmiller6068 Жыл бұрын
I think my favorite incident I've ever seen with cameras-vs-cops was actually a TV news broadcast. Washington DC at Union Station one of the major news networks was interviewing management about the rules on taking pictures/videos at the train station or of trains, and while the official was explaining that its legal as long as the people are not interfering and otherwise allowed to be in the space...a security person puts their hand up in front of the camera and starts telling them how its illegal to record and refusing to listen to the fact they were media, with a media pass, doing an interview with the station management, about the legality of recording. I think the story is old enough its not anywhere I've found copies of video but it was extremely amusing.
@user-ob2mo9bb3v
@user-ob2mo9bb3v 8 ай бұрын
Interesting that you mention a "media pass" given they are not required and there is no such thing as a government issued mandatory media pass. Media credentials are for private invitation only events, they are NOT required for the general public or for every one of us who is considered civilian press. Our founders envisioned a country where ANYONE might witness and record someone of public interest. That is why they specifically did not require any "media credentials".
@Pretzil43
@Pretzil43 Жыл бұрын
Ever wonder what happens to the "I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you" school kids when they grow up?
@adamriddles
@adamriddles Жыл бұрын
they become LEOS
@tiffanywyatt5137
@tiffanywyatt5137 Жыл бұрын
​@@adamriddlesauditors lol
@landerson7348
@landerson7348 Жыл бұрын
@@tiffanywyatt5137 both. the answer is both.
@thomasbecker9676
@thomasbecker9676 Жыл бұрын
@@adamriddles You sound like Chillito.
@mssaraprek
@mssaraprek Жыл бұрын
​@@adamriddles no that's for the active bullies
@DrShawnBerry
@DrShawnBerry 7 ай бұрын
I got arrested for holding cameras at cops many times over the years.
@Zuginator
@Zuginator 5 сағат бұрын
I knew a guy who said "But the IDF says it hasn't done anything wrong" I replied "Sure, and I'll Believe that the same way I believe with the police said about Rodney King."
@Nic8479
@Nic8479 Жыл бұрын
PLEASE do one on sovereign citizens!!!!!
@unknowngamer37415
@unknowngamer37415 Жыл бұрын
Man I am not a legal field worker and it hurts me every time I hear an explanation of their views. I don't know if he could survive researching enough to make a video
@mcnultyssobercompanion6372
@mcnultyssobercompanion6372 Жыл бұрын
lol...sovcits. "I want to speak to your supervisor!" "I'm not driving I'm traveling!" "Statutes aren't laws!" "Can I see your oath of office?" "I do not wish to enter into joinder with your corporation." "I'm not an American I am an American national". "Where is the corpus dilicti"? "Why are your lights on is there an emergency?" "I'm putting a $10 million dollar lien on you and your police department". "I don't answer questions". The rabbit hole goes deep. :)
@mar91942
@mar91942 Жыл бұрын
They do enough to damage their own reputations lol
@markrichards9646
@markrichards9646 Жыл бұрын
LE has done a video on SC.
@alexm7777
@alexm7777 Жыл бұрын
​@@mcnultyssobercompanion6372 not answering questions does not make you a sovereign citizen. The 5th amendment gives you the right to not answer questions
@hail_seitan_
@hail_seitan_ Жыл бұрын
I love the "I'm a lawyer" under the find a lawyer button, I was really worried that guy might not actually be a lawyer
@jarlcarl_5148
@jarlcarl_5148 Жыл бұрын
That button is to join the team if the person clicking the button is a lawyer and would like to join the team.
@Revenem
@Revenem Жыл бұрын
That button actually leads to a signup form for lawyers to be entered into the database
@pseudonymble
@pseudonymble Ай бұрын
Auditing / protesting and Self-Interest / Promotion are NOT mutually exclusive. Their motivations can be multi-faceted; that doesn't erase or excuse the rights violations undertaken by public officials against them.
@williamko4751
@williamko4751 5 ай бұрын
Thank you, a lawful take on the subject. The root of the problem is outdated police training and not enough civil rights attorneys.
@CartoonHero1986
@CartoonHero1986 Жыл бұрын
Since I don't live in the USA the Amendment doesn't apply to what people do here. But I have to say I am actually kind of proud of my city's police department and how they react to recording. There was a video that went viral shortly after George Floyd was murdered from my city where the police appear to be using force to arrest a woman screaming her head off while the person record is asking them the police why they are being so rough. The officer asked the person recording to step back for safety reasons and even says; I will explain what's happening but first we need to get her in the car. They get her in the car, and then the officer comes right over and calmly explained that the woman had an outstanding warrant and attempted to flee the police, when restrained she became violent, so for the safety of the officers and her they placed her on the ground to cuff her. The officer even went on to explain that yes it is a rough way to handle someone but in cases where the person under arrest fights the police it is better to get the person to the ground and risk some cuts and bruises then it is to risk broken arms or other more serious injuries, and then asked the person filming if they were alright since it is a traumatic thing to witness and provided the person filming with their card (officers here have to carry business cards with all their information and their supervisors information on it so if we ask for the officer's information they can just hand us the card and there is no fumbling to write down a badge number and name) should they have anymore questions or concerns. The video that went viral was actually highly commended by the City and Police with the Police Chief commenting on it that "she was very proud of the officer's actions in the video, and how he followed the training for dealing with public reaction and recording to the letter keeping everyone safe and informed."
@mikeE997
@mikeE997 Жыл бұрын
What city was this?
@CartoonHero1986
@CartoonHero1986 Жыл бұрын
@@mikeE997 Hamilton Ontario. I think it happened just after George Floyd's murder
@jhonnycash6261
@jhonnycash6261 Жыл бұрын
@@CartoonHero1986 No expert but didn't George Floyd die of a heart attack due to being on Fentanyl and having a heart condition? If so, how is this murder?
@JunkieOSRS
@JunkieOSRS Жыл бұрын
that's pretty professional but i'm hoping they also act that way when cameras are not recording too!!
@Waxxumus
@Waxxumus 11 ай бұрын
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@SEAZNDragon
@SEAZNDragon Жыл бұрын
I have been on the receiving end of an auditor and it was weird. Some background: I'm a sheriff's deputy for a large metro department in Texas. My department constantly lectures us on 1A auditors reminding us they have the right to film us. State law allows for filming with a distance restriction (I think 25 ft if unarmed and 50 ft if armed). This would surprised no one here but my department is not a fan of 1A auditors and quite a few were gleeful when one local auditor got arrested for possession of child porn. My encounter occurred near the end of my shift one night. I went to my station to do some paperwork and the auditor came up to me and pointed out one of my coworkers had parked a patrol car in a handicap. Bad look especially considering the parking lot was fairly empty and the station was closed to the public at the time. I called my sergeant who found the deputy and had him move his car. For the most part the sergeant and I were the only people she directly encountered. The deputy with the parked car left without saying a word and a deputy constable told her to leave via PA but didn't linger. The whole thing seemed surreal in the "can't believe this is happening to me" way. In the end the auditor actually thanked me for my professionalism and left. Even posted it to KZfaq.
@utubepunk
@utubepunk Жыл бұрын
Do you know which law specifics the distance restrictions? I've heard 10 feet. 25 & 50 feet limits seem extreme. Not sure why it matters if a citizen is armed?
@LC-sc3en
@LC-sc3en Жыл бұрын
See this is the kind of thing I think is fine. She at least had a Legitimate complaint and was only recording how reporting it was handled. Once the complaint was dealt with she left. No mess, no fuss, no concocted scenario creating a problem or being intentionally obnoxious. Unless a person is injured or otherwise requires it they shouldn't park in handicap spots. When reminded, they should move their vehicle. But I won't lie to you and tell you I wouldn't be scared to remind a cop that.
@SEAZNDragon
@SEAZNDragon Жыл бұрын
@@utubepunk I can't seem to find it. I may have may misremembered a proposed law instead. The extension for armed was meant as general safety.
@Zorae42
@Zorae42 Жыл бұрын
"Bad Look", you mean fineable offense? I assume that person didn't suffer any consequences for it either eh?
@freelanceminion7396
@freelanceminion7396 Жыл бұрын
The parking was technically correct but I don't understand why they treat it like they've uncovered massive corruption. They sometimes also distract police about their parking DURING a traffic stop.
@BigRray
@BigRray 10 ай бұрын
its about not loosing your rights, not all but there are a lot of police that dont even know the constitution they took an oath to uphold. if you dont exercise your rights you will eventually loose them
@Meatball2022
@Meatball2022 Жыл бұрын
I’d love for you to do a follow up to this that better discusses the difference between traditional public forums and limited public forums and non public forums. Those differences are usually where the line is drawn regarding where you can record.
@WitnessingTyranny
@WitnessingTyranny Жыл бұрын
Because the government can't be bothered to know and follow the law and mark restricted spaces accordingly. Seen it too many times.
@tomc8888
@tomc8888 Жыл бұрын
Also, if a librarian can set rules and shush someone for speaking too loudly without violating the 1A rights of the speaker, how is that different from a head librarian setting rules against filming?
@unknowngamer37415
@unknowngamer37415 Жыл бұрын
Another big part is the expectation of privacy which I wish he had brought up
@willquoikapor
@willquoikapor Жыл бұрын
@@tomc8888 Disturbing others with loud noise and standing in a corner of the library filming are different. Everyone in the library is already being filmed, one more camera shouldn’t matter. Noise ordinances are a thing in most municipalities, filming can only be limited to public areas.
@tomc8888
@tomc8888 Жыл бұрын
@@willquoikapor The fact that the public library or post office has security cameras isn't the same as what LIA and other "auditors" are doing. No security camera I know of streams to a monetized KZfaq channel, and other than theft prevention, they don't have a profit motive. The act of filming *can* create a disturbance or disrupt the flow of business, and it often does. Also, someone, say a crime or domestic violence victim, may have a legitimate reason not to want to be filmed beyond personal preference, and many "auditors" like LIA announce where they're filming. Libraries also have a legitimate interest in protecting the privacy of their patrons. This interest is something probably more pronounced in other facilities that have been the subject of "audits", like health clinics and courthouses. Finally, a library or post office isn't a set for a TV show, let alone somebody's KZfaq video. Courts have held that libraries can have someone removed who isn't using the facility for its intended purpose (Kreimer v. Board of Police).
@Lievyon
@Lievyon 3 ай бұрын
Good video.. I do disagree with your ending question. Auditor can simultaneously want to uphold and constitution and enjoy the money they make doing that. Those things aren't mutually exclusive.
@jerryfick613
@jerryfick613 Жыл бұрын
The city of St. George in St. Louis county(MO) was long known as a community that made most of their revenue from speed traps. Their cops also had a reputation for intimidation, disrespect and abuse. Backnin the 90's one of their cops had targeted a young resident and pull him over any time they saw him. The kid set up a vhs camera in his car and caught the cop on camera threatening to charge the kid with anything liked. The video was released to local news and the fall out contributed to the disolution of St. George's PD and the city contracting with St. Louis county for law enforcement.
@jerryfick613
@jerryfick613 3 күн бұрын
I worked at the Amoco at Reavis and Union in the 90's(just outside of St. George's city limits We watched a St. George cop pull a car over, walk up and talk to the driver, then return to his car until a St louis county cop pulled up the two cops talked, St.Geo cop left, STL co cop spoke to the driver for just a moment, then both left. The driver happened to pull into our lot and told us what happened. St. George cop had pulled him over, but since he couldn't technically write the ticket as it was out of his jurisdiction, he told the driver he was holding him there until a cop who could write the ticket. The ticket was going to be for less than 10 mph over the speed limit. When the Stl Co cop arrived, he relieved the other cop then tod the driver, "I'm not wasting my time with this bullsh*t ticket, go away and slow down!"
@hadensnodgrass3472
@hadensnodgrass3472 Жыл бұрын
What does it say about society that the music industry being litigous is the main legal deterrent used by police. 😅
@simonteesdale9752
@simonteesdale9752 Жыл бұрын
There's also the use of Disney/Nintendo copyrighted images to troll the owners of bots scraping social media. (Usually to sell t-shirts).
@LaMarcheFutilé101
@LaMarcheFutilé101 Жыл бұрын
I thought the main legal deterrent the police used was shooting people and then claiming that they were "all scared and frightened."
@arthuralford
@arthuralford Жыл бұрын
That they understand how KZfaq will remove videos for copyrighted music without viewing it for context
@brokensystembrokentrust
@brokensystembrokentrust 10 ай бұрын
​@@arthuralford....thats not exactly true. The goal for the copyrighted music is so the video cant be monetized, therefore it will deter a "1a auditor" from recording them. In rare cases copyrighted work will shut down a live stream. Either way though, I see it as another egregious example of how cops INTENTIONALLY attempt to deprive somebody, rather than upholding their "right to press". It could and SHOULD (the way I see it) be considered an act of prior restraint and SHOULD result in a criminal charge (Section 242 Title 18 - Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law) against the oath breaking pig who tries it.
@devonmarr9872
@devonmarr9872 9 ай бұрын
God Bless The Homeless Vets This guy is perfect and highlights law enforcment violations and violating his rights. Even if they can sometimes be tools they are needed.
@SeeStuDo
@SeeStuDo Жыл бұрын
So glad you’re waging into this. I’m all for public auditors, but so many use it as a loophole to instigate confrontation. Document and move on, make your report or whatever.
@Shadowreaper5
@Shadowreaper5 Жыл бұрын
Instigating can also be a chargeable offense in the court of law. It's called "Inciting" I believe. Inflammatory speech is protected, but provoking is not. If you bait someone into a bar fight, for example, you are guilty of inciting that incident, regardless of who threw the first punch. This makes sense to me, since you are actively contributing to the problem, you should share in the outlays of punishment.
@dwaynepenner2788
@dwaynepenner2788 Жыл бұрын
@@Shadowreaper5 it’s also a matter of published case law that a reasonable police officer should be more immune to instigation than a non-police officer. This is another point of audits that is key…police are held to a higher standard, and both in my experience and as seen of film too often look like nothing more than a school ground bully.
@Lobsterwithinternet
@Lobsterwithinternet Жыл бұрын
@@dwaynepenner2788 I can same the same for the average citizen.
@dwaynepenner2788
@dwaynepenner2788 Жыл бұрын
@@Lobsterwithinternet you can say, but you would be wrong ( that darn established case law thing) and for three good reasons: one is the additional training and authority given to an officer, the are being paid, and they must maintain a position of neutrality to keep their role credible. Unless you mean the school yard bully… in that case I agree, but that behaviour from an officer is seen as more egregious by courts ( at least higher courts)
@Lobsterwithinternet
@Lobsterwithinternet Жыл бұрын
@@dwaynepenner2788 But then how can you expect your cops to be Barney Fife if the people they're serving are living like they're in Megacity One? It's one of the reasons why I would never be a cop: I don't respect people because they act like overgrown children most of the time and then cry the second they feel wronged.
@SiriusMined
@SiriusMined Жыл бұрын
I think your characterization of Sean Paul Reyes his own face. He's actually very cordial, and he does not instigate conflict. He does respond when it happens, but even then, he does his best to try to keep it cordial. Calling someone a tyrant because they're violating your rights to me is not out of bounds.
@OlYables
@OlYables Жыл бұрын
He's an egomaniac who creates his own problems, (loiters, disrupts business, argues, and then gets removed from a building, etc.), which then gets his fans all riled up when the video drops. It's a grift and people think he's a "good one" because he doesn't curse and he loves to tell people that he's been polite, cordial, etc. A KZfaq audit is inherently confrontational and not cordial or ethical behavior, with a few exceptions.
@SiriusMined
@SiriusMined Жыл бұрын
@@OlYables none of that is true. I've watched dozens of his videos. He doesn't disrupt anything. People reacting to him is not him "disrupting" anything. And he doesn't go into private businesses. So you are sorely misinformed.
@tiffanywyatt5137
@tiffanywyatt5137 Жыл бұрын
They need to call themselves that then. Many violate others 4th amendment rights
@tiffanywyatt5137
@tiffanywyatt5137 Жыл бұрын
​@@SiriusMinedcall me when he actually goes after the tyrants in office. Until then he's a joke and idiot
@OlYables
@OlYables Жыл бұрын
@@SiriusMined his presence in public buildings is inherently disruptive. He does not need ever need services. His purpose is to behave suspiciously until he receives a reaction he and his audience deem to be unprofessional or tyrannical. Then he really digs his heels in and insists upon his rights being violated. His insistence that he’s being polite and cordial does not mean that his behavior is ACTUALLY that.
@Eric-md3mp
@Eric-md3mp 7 ай бұрын
Any police officer that tries to say that its illegal to record them is just confessing that they are abusing their power and belong behind bars
@just701
@just701 24 күн бұрын
No defund this news board.
@williamlee9103
@williamlee9103 Жыл бұрын
If they are doing it within the letter of the law and are capturing legitimate undue restriction from public officials, it doesn't matter whether they're doing it for money, fame or the constitution. The result is the same
@mynameisben123
@mynameisben123 7 ай бұрын
I completely agree, the motivations are irrelevant. We entrust these people to protect us and we give them great power to do so. They need to be held accountable for their transgressions.
@Pmtd1234
@Pmtd1234 5 ай бұрын
But often auditors misrepresent the "letter of the law." Their right to record in govt buildings can be restricted, but they always lie that it cannot.
@hylomorpher
@hylomorpher 5 ай бұрын
​@@Pmtd1234 You're right that auditors are sometimes (often?) wrong about the law. But I don't understand how that's relevant. If an auditor is wrong about where the legal lines are, then that will be sorted out during the legal process--just like with a non-auditor who has a run-in with police and is confused about the law.
@Pmtd1234
@Pmtd1234 5 ай бұрын
@@hylomorpher Since the objective is confrontation, which increases YT hits aka more money, there is no sorting it out during the legal process. Go to a facility that prohibits photography, regurgitating the same rhetoric of their 1st Amendment right (which is not true) over and over, first with security personnel, then with the police. When threaten with arrest, the auditor typically leaves.
@evan-5227
@evan-5227 4 ай бұрын
@@Pmtd1234and then the auditor wins a lawsuit against the city or police department. That’s because no matter what policy they have, it does not trump the US constitution. If it’s publicly accessible, it can be recorded.
@dre3391
@dre3391 Жыл бұрын
Wow you really post the Sean Paul Reyes clip and said he trying to antagonize the police but didn’t post the police saying “10 years ago he would be dead and I’ll do it myself” and not happen to him.
@utubepunk
@utubepunk Жыл бұрын
Right? I didn't think that's a charitable portrayal of his work. By that time, he was being harassed by the cops so he was 100% right when he called them out. And filming in public & not bowing to bad cops isn't an offense worth the threat of murder.
@christopherpilcher6886
@christopherpilcher6886 2 ай бұрын
Wow this lawyer isn't biased much lol
@krane15
@krane15 2 ай бұрын
Sarcasm, I hope?
@MLMcCarren
@MLMcCarren 2 ай бұрын
A)Lawsuits wouldn't be successful if cops weren't found guilty. B) every Network news organization is monetized, what makes it wrong for independent journalist? C) A reality of living in a free society means people can and most likely will say and do things you do not agree, while staying in bounds of the law. D) An extremely high percentage of these encounters reveal most of the officers lack even a basic understanding of the law .
@Knotyoma
@Knotyoma 2 ай бұрын
💯
@shaggyplays5210
@shaggyplays5210 Жыл бұрын
This is why I like the channel Audit The Audit, kinda helps me understand do's and don'ts. Like most groups there are fools who take things too far and ruin the name for everyone else, and Audit The Audit tends to do a good job of showing examples of good audits and bad audits. Just my opinion tho.
@matthewthomson6466
@matthewthomson6466 Жыл бұрын
3:08 The fact that they are different in their origin does not make them different in scope, nor morality. It doesn’t matter that it’s marketable, it doesn’t matter that it’s antagonistic, it doesn’t matter that it’s intentional, and it doesn’t matter that there’s a backlash. Rights are rights, and those who would challenge them can and should be met with ridicule, shame, and impeachment. If the internet and its ability to ostracize is the only weapon you have against a group that is frequently cruel, abusive, and corrosive to your civil rights, then by god, you must use it.
@alexjamesbaker
@alexjamesbaker 4 ай бұрын
Just keep in mind the disconnect between how a rich lawyer views cops and how regular citizens do
@chriss-nf1bd
@chriss-nf1bd 5 ай бұрын
It also exposes bad training, education and low IQ policing.
@davidr2421
@davidr2421 Жыл бұрын
The Battosai is the best. He's mild-mannered and respectful, and he got new case law made while filming, from the interaction to the court case
@Bacteriophagebs
@Bacteriophagebs Жыл бұрын
The Battousai the best actual auditor I've found, but most of his content is from other auditors, and for audit aggregators, Audit the Audit and We the People University are better. Audit the Audit in particular researches case law and isn't afraid to call out auditors, police, and everyone else on their mistakes. WtPU is a former cop/deputy who at least cites relevant law, though he's nowhere near as good at it as AtA. I've unsubscribed from almost all the auditor channels I used to follow because they all started acting like jerks in order to keep making content. The Battousai is smart enough to aggregate in order to keep putting out content without having to compromise his auditor ethics.
@janemiettinen5176
@janemiettinen5176 Жыл бұрын
There are auditors who are honestly interested to make change for good and educate ignorant officers, but the grifters give everybody bad name. Battousai is certainly one of the best, too bad hes not as active as he used to be. I guess getting arrested for nothing gets old pretty fast, so I cant really blame him.
@Bacteriophagebs
@Bacteriophagebs Жыл бұрын
@@janemiettinen5176 He had a lot going on. He moved homes and had at least one court case, and I'm sure his lawyer told him not to talk about it or do much while the case was going on.
@adamriddles
@adamriddles Жыл бұрын
@@Bacteriophagebs I have to disagree with you. he simply hasnt done much content in past two years. But ya cant say his content belongs to others because hes the one with the actual case law that other lawyers use. He is the Turner in Turner vs Driver after all
@adamriddles
@adamriddles Жыл бұрын
@@janemiettinen5176 He really doesn't need to audit much anymore since hes the one that made the case law the rest use
@jcbtiller
@jcbtiller Жыл бұрын
Auditors who remain calm and respectful like long Island audit, and follow up with the appropriate complaints, are ones I follow. I reconise that the rude, disrespectful ones are more important though as they test the cops in more stressful situations. We did the same thing in the military, audits and tests are daily underway for small scale, and weekly for large scale things. You have a gun, you need to be able to do the right thing even when someone is upsetting you. And the best way to get better at it is to experience it. Best way to experience it is via audits where the stakes are low compared to an actual situation with say, someone having a mental break down or some kind of medical emergency. However that being said I can't watch auditors who are nearing harassment to get a reaction.
@msytdc1577
@msytdc1577 Жыл бұрын
Yeah the police should have to undergo training in CoD lobbies and in VR chat. Thin skinned reactionary hot heads deserve no place in law enforcement.
@CatieCarrier
@CatieCarrier Жыл бұрын
LIA is the most professional and organized in his approach. He's the best one I've seen. I think his stated intention is most congruent with his behavior. He's actually affecting change.
@MrAapasuo
@MrAapasuo Жыл бұрын
that just seems... well quite frankly stupid to me yes cops should be trained to work under pressure, even under straight up harassment however, and Im not from USA so I might be bit biased, the cops in USA are quite frankly not trained to that standart very often, or just ignore the conduct. so walking to cops to insult and harass them seems to be about as good of an idea as walking to honey badger and poke it with an stick to see if they get angry...
@OscarSommerbo
@OscarSommerbo Жыл бұрын
LIA is not the worst frauditor, but he most assuredly tries to escalate every encounter, and was arrested most recently for criminal trespass on April 4th. If you watch these guys long enough, they will slip up and try to escalate the situation to get a more spicy video.
@msytdc1577
@msytdc1577 Жыл бұрын
​@@MrAapasuo Hey, if that honey badger has a badge and is expected to not break the law or violate the rights of an individual in the course of their legal duties, well, then you may have a point.
@michaelross1464
@michaelross1464 5 ай бұрын
I’ve been riding that KZfaq wave for a bit so thanks for weighing in on this!
@jonathanfielding7387
@jonathanfielding7387 4 ай бұрын
Long Island Audit, is nothing but extremely respectful, sure he ended up calling that police officer a tyrant but that was only after they acted like Tyrants. In he is one of the most respectful auditors out there, and he's now won practically all of the cases against him with exception of a 85 dollar ticket which was a nothing burger. (with one or 2 still on going). Also you are allowed to film in libraries, regardless what the libraries policies are, that's been proven at that specific library due to Jean Paul, and at numerous other libraries across the USA. That all said... Many Auditors are complete arseholes. So I only try to watch the cool and collected individuals. And remember calmly standing up for your rights and refuses unlawful orders is not the same as being confrontational or disrespectful.
@t-man2612
@t-man2612 Жыл бұрын
I never understood how a public servant didn't want to be filmed doing their job in public. And now many departments made it mandatory to where cameras.
@WukongTheMonkeyKing
@WukongTheMonkeyKing Жыл бұрын
It's not just about being filmed. Lots of these guys will harass and troll and be as disruptive as possible while filming.
@Lobsterwithinternet
@Lobsterwithinternet Жыл бұрын
Because most people don't like being filmed by strangers, even in public or where they're on security footage. I know that if you stuck a camera in my face, they'd have to remove the shrapnel of what's left out of your body.
@willquoikapor
@willquoikapor Жыл бұрын
@@Lobsterwithinternet Then you’d be in jail and paying his medical bills.
@Lobsterwithinternet
@Lobsterwithinternet Жыл бұрын
@@willquoikapor Not if they never find your body, they wouldn't. 😈 So be a little more mindful of the fact that you live because you live in a society that protects you from most harm. And don't poke the tiger.
@skytek7081
@skytek7081 Жыл бұрын
@@WukongTheMonkeyKing The police get fancy special jackets, they get light-up cars to zoom around in, they get the assumption of innocence and truthfulness from the courts, they even-in theory- get special training for all these things. They should be mature and solid enough not to fly off the handle and assault or imprison someone for the non-crime of being annoying.
@skullfullofbooks7398
@skullfullofbooks7398 Жыл бұрын
I've dealt with one of those people at my job and it's really frustrating because the workplace has policies against recording, and this dude kept saying he's a "federal citizen" so he only follows laws. He was a jerk and it escalated because he kept trying to argue the law with someone who can't actually argue the law with him in yhe scope of their job. Like I am not the one, and you're just making my day terrible while also potentially harming random bystanders by recording in this place where confidentiality is important, so thanks. 😅
@lawrenceredmacher4382
@lawrenceredmacher4382 Жыл бұрын
confidentiality is the responsibility of the workplace, not random members of the public.
@troyevitt2437
@troyevitt2437 Жыл бұрын
The bottom line is don't be bamboozled. Government workers control what's what in their workplace the EXACT SAME as employees in the Private Sector. Trespassing is ANYTIME you're where you're not welcome to be. There's no magic loophole created by the US Constitution that holds you hostage to the whims of unwelcome persons.
@fluffylittlebear
@fluffylittlebear Жыл бұрын
Policies aren't laws. If it's a public place, those policies are unenforceable.
@jeffreycole2816
@jeffreycole2816 Жыл бұрын
were you in public or in a place he didn't have a right to be?
@troyevitt2437
@troyevitt2437 Жыл бұрын
@@jeffreycole2816 The issue is the photographer's demeanor and respect for his surroundings. Just because you're in a place you are by default understood to be welcome doesn't mean you define the space by your own expectations. "In a public space" does not automatically mean, "in a Quintessential Public Forum".
@ronaldkeown6737
@ronaldkeown6737 4 ай бұрын
The cops don't like it because like the 1 person said the cops said 5 years ago they have the guy on ground. If you watch some people get took to jail for no good reason.
@alexandermacgowan9951
@alexandermacgowan9951 9 ай бұрын
The higher courts have decided that "there is no expectation of privacy when in public or in a publicly accessible area" and also that "the eyes cannot be trespassed" so anything or anyone you can see while standing in a publicly accessible area can be photographed or video recorded." They have also come down with decisions stating that "you cannot make something lawful into something unlawful to support your argument"...meaning that "photography is not a crime, especially when in public areas. "Policy differs from rules or law. While the law can compel or prohibit behaviors (e.g. a law requiring the payment of taxes on income), policy merely guides actions toward those that are most likely to achieve the desired outcome. Federal and State laws overrule company policies. Your company policies must be in accordance with state and federal laws for it to be a valid policy. Typically, a business policy is not legally enforceable or binding, unless that policy is an essential term in a business contract. Policy is not law, but a proposed course of action. To make a policy legally binding, it needs to include several key elements: Offer and acceptance - One party needs to offer something (money, services, rights, etc.), and the other party needs to accept the offer. Consideration - The benefit that both parties receive. A business can establish policies for their employees and if the employees wish to continue their employment with that business they need to adhere to the company’s policies. The company cannot enforce their policies upon non-employees because nothing has been offered nor accepted as when a contract is in effect between the two parties involved. Article VI, Paragraph 2 of the U.S. Constitution is commonly referred to as the Supremacy Clause. It establishes that the federal constitution, and federal law generally, take precedence over state laws, and even state constitutions. The U.S. Constitution declares that federal law is “the supreme law of the land.” As a result, when a federal law conflicts with a state or local law, the federal law will supersede the other law or laws. This is commonly known as “preemption.” The Supreme Court relied on the Supremacy Clause to hold that the federal law controlled and could not be nullified by state statutes or officials. In Edgar v. MITE Corp., 457 U.S. 624 (1982), the Supreme Court ruled: "A state statute is void to the extent that it actually conflicts with a valid Federal statute”. The right to defy an unconstitutional law is also basic to our constitutional structure. Our Constitution guarantees civil rights and liberties to the individual-like freedom of speech, press, and religion. The First Amendment of our Constitution guarantees freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and freedom of assembly. The Fourth Amendment of our Constitution protects people from unreasonable searches and seizures by the government. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon [PROBABLE CAUSE], supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. It protects against arbitrary arrests, and is the basis of the law regarding search warrants, stop-and-frisk, safety inspections, wiretaps, and other forms of surveillance. No member of law enforcement at any level has the lawful authority to demand you produce identification or have you identify yourself unless they first have [REASONABLE SUSPICION] with [PRECISE ARTICULABLE FACTS] to support their claim that you have committed a crime, are in the process of committing a crime or will soon commit a crime, even in situations where States enforce “Terry Stops”. “Suspicion” and/or “Suspicious Behavior” is neither a misdemeanor nor a felony and does not support an officer detaining you or demanding you produce identification or give them your name or any other personal information. If the officer insists, you can verbally claim your Fifth Amendment Right to remain silent and protect yourself against self-incrimination. If an officer insists that you give up your identification, just tell him to ["Mirandize"] you and demand your attorney be present before you supply law enforcement with any information and remain silent. Any conversation between a member of the public and any member of law enforcement should be [CONSENSUAL ] by both parties. No one has to have a conversation with law enforcement at any time unless you have been [LAWFULLY DETAINED] or [ARRESTED} and then only if your attorney is present to counceel you. Law enforcement is NOT your friend! Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law! Always ask the officer if you are being [LAWFULLY DETAINED]. If he says “no”, you have the option to leave the scene or remain and continue doing whatever it was that you were doing prior to your confrontation with the officer. If law enforcement detains you without [REASONABLE SUSPICION] being established, it constitutes an [UNLAWFUL DETAINMENT] and is a breach of your Civil Rights which should eliminate the officer’s [QUALIFIED IMMUNITY] and make him personally liable in civil and possibly in criminal court as well. If he makes physical contact with you in any way to force you into handcuffs, pepper spray you, taser you or take you to the ground, it is considered [AGGRAVATED ASSAULT AND BATTERY] and the officer or officers involved can be prosecuted in a criminal court. If he puts you in handcuffs and/or restricts you movement or puts you in the back seat of his patrol vehicle, it constitutes an [UNLAWFUL ARREST] and [FALSE IMPRISONMENT] and he officer or officers can be prosecuted in criminal court. If he keeps you in his vehicle or transports you to his precinct, he is committing [KIDNAPPING], all prosecutable charges! Without the officer’s “get out of jail free” card (ie. “QUALIFIED IMMUNITY”) the officer or officers are personally prosecutable in civil and criminal courts as well as the department for which the officers are employed and the city in which the department is located! Every Citizen and tax payer in this country has the right and the obligation to redress and petition his government for grievances and monitor how his tax dollars are being spent by HIS “public servants” all of whom work for him! The tax payer pays his salary, he owns the vehicles they use while on duty and he owns the building they works out of…they are “public servants” who work for you so tell him to have some respect for his employer and lose the condescending attitude or look for another job! If you are making a video recording your interaction with your public servants then you are actually gathering content for a news story that interests and involves every Citizen of this country. By supplying the general public with your “news story”, you are making your personal experience available to each of those interested. This makes you a “Citizen Journalist”, a Civil Right guaranteed you by our Constitution! Members of the public are always interested to see stories about interactions with their “public servants” who are spending their tax dollars! Your personal experience offers them an unbiased opportunity to see how these public employees conduct themselves when interacting with the general public! By making your journalistic endeavors available to the general public through social venues such as KZfaq, you give every person who watches your video the opportunity to evaluate the job performance and character analysis of those individuals who appear in your video interactions. Through your experiences, they can measure how that public servant will most likely interact with them if and when they come in contact. Through your videos, every person can evaluate those individuals job performance and their abilities to socially interact with “public servants” and their “employers”, the tax payer!
@SalaciousCrmb
@SalaciousCrmb 9 ай бұрын
All you did was parrot the garbage that all auditors vomit. Pretty much everything you posted is wrong.
@QEsposito510
@QEsposito510 2 ай бұрын
“Brevity is the soul of wit.”
@Videogamer-555
@Videogamer-555 2 ай бұрын
However a person or a company can include in its policy a number of reasons they can kick you out of the building. If you violate policies and as a result are told to leave a privately owned piece of land (such as the physical building that is a store, or a house) and you refuse to leave, then you have just committed the crime of trespassing. And you can be arrested for that.
@halfbakedmedia
@halfbakedmedia 10 ай бұрын
12:15 I saw this one. That older cop says "30 years ago and he'd be dead."
@emeraldqueen1994
@emeraldqueen1994 Жыл бұрын
There are 3 sides to every story : yours, theirs & the truth…
@BrandEver117
@BrandEver117 Жыл бұрын
There's nothing technically wrong with auditors (other than that it can be dangerous), the biggest issue is a ton of these people think they are legal experts when they are very much NOT
@carljensen5730
@carljensen5730 11 ай бұрын
Most auditors are very knowledgeable about what they are doing. They don't have to be legal experts in every area of the law. They seem to know more about the basic Constitutional Laws than 99% of people, including cops.
@ROFT
@ROFT 11 ай бұрын
​@@carljensen5730strange, most of the frauditors I've seen are utterly clueless. For example they seem to think that the 1st amendment gives unrestricted freedom to record, while the supreme court has long held that this is a limited right. Many of them think that "the right to record" means they can gain access to areas which are restricted. Many of them think that "having business" with the agency they are harassing means they consider what they are doing to be their business, and thus somehow qualifies as having business. In my experience they are mostly wrong.
@gavinjenkins899
@gavinjenkins899 11 ай бұрын
​@@ROFTexamples?
@ROFT
@ROFT 11 ай бұрын
@@gavinjenkins899 yes, those were examples.
@gavinjenkins899
@gavinjenkins899 11 ай бұрын
@@ROFT No they were not. Examples would be actual youtubers and actual videos. In legal terms just for fun, since we're on a legaleagle video, that would be called a "Proffer", "I WILL give evidence of XYZ later, but here's the final conclusion I will make" =/= evidence
@Naoconsigometer1nome
@Naoconsigometer1nome 8 ай бұрын
Talking about the auditlong island at the library video and not saying that the high ranking cop resigned after a police bodycam that wasnt turn off recorded him saying that 20 years ago the auditor would be put 7feet under by the law and order blue gang 😮
@SHOWMESTATENEWSSHOW
@SHOWMESTATENEWSSHOW 10 ай бұрын
It's the people's government and our constitutional rights are for the people to use against the government if they forget that they work for us 🇺🇸
@Meat_Testicles
@Meat_Testicles 10 ай бұрын
I love how reinterpretations of the constitution has lead "patriots" to violate their own rights.
@canadianbuttpunchgoddess3058
@canadianbuttpunchgoddess3058 10 ай бұрын
@@Meat_Testicles explain it in detail.
@SHOWMESTATENEWSSHOW
@SHOWMESTATENEWSSHOW 10 ай бұрын
@@Meat_Testicles what are you referring to? Defending your self is not an act of violence.
@Meat_Testicles
@Meat_Testicles 10 ай бұрын
@@canadianbuttpunchgoddess3058 reread the op and ask them
@Meat_Testicles
@Meat_Testicles 10 ай бұрын
@@SHOWMESTATENEWSSHOW I'm not really sure why you'd ask, but I rest my case
@poprocket2342
@poprocket2342 Жыл бұрын
Resisting arrest is such a messed up charge. The vast majority of people are going to attempt to resist if being manhandled. Doesn't matter if youve done anything or not, if anything you're more likely to resist if you know you haven't done anything and it's so vague that it's a charge that can be added on to almost any interaction with the police
@LuckyBones77
@LuckyBones77 10 ай бұрын
Anyone being manhandled is gonna panic, and the human panic response is called ‘fight or flight’ for a reason. I wonder why resisting arrest usually involves running away or fighting back 🤔
@canadianbuttpunchgoddess3058
@canadianbuttpunchgoddess3058 10 ай бұрын
Cops claim dead people are resisting arrest. I have seen them do it.
@theuzumakis2624
@theuzumakis2624 10 ай бұрын
Naaah, that’s only partly true. People have no respect nowadays breathing good officers or other people in general. It absolutely should be a charge.
@canadianbuttpunchgoddess3058
@canadianbuttpunchgoddess3058 10 ай бұрын
@@theuzumakis2624 I just told you cops claimed a dead man was resisting arrest.If a corpse is capable of resisting arrest what chance does a living person have. It is a fake charge.
@canadianbuttpunchgoddess3058
@canadianbuttpunchgoddess3058 10 ай бұрын
@@theuzumakis2624 the promotion of an unlawful arrest as "chargeable" is something Nazis expected in the Holocaust, Nazi.
@nicolew2374
@nicolew2374 Жыл бұрын
As a librarian I find it so weird when these people audit libraries. What are they trying to catch us doing?
@utubepunk
@utubepunk Жыл бұрын
It's not about catching you, it's about will government employees violate their right to film in public.
@Lobsterwithinternet
@Lobsterwithinternet Жыл бұрын
@@utubepunk What about my right to not be harassed in public? Funny that they care so much about their rights but find it so easy to violate others’ rights.
@utubepunk
@utubepunk Жыл бұрын
@@Lobsterwithinternet Does your library have security cameras? You shouldn't be harassed in public, but filming isn't harassment unless they're shoving a camera inches away from your face & trying to provoke or intimidate. Most library audits I've seen have been low key, but the librarian still calls the police regardless.
@Lobsterwithinternet
@Lobsterwithinternet Жыл бұрын
@@utubepunk But most of the videos I've seen have been on the former rather than the latter. If they were more like the former, there wouldn't be as much of a problem with it. Most people wouldn't even notice it.
@mcnultyssobercompanion6372
@mcnultyssobercompanion6372 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, libraries are just soft targets for them. They're not activists, the core of what alleged "auditors" do is exploitation and provocation. Libraries are places where we're supposed to be quiet so it's easier for them to cause a scene- and libraries _usually_ attract people who won't be a physical threat once they start getting hostile. Of course children are often in libraries but "auditors" are indifferent; it won't stop them from getting belligerent. They'd likely lash out at a librarian for not teaching the kids "about their rights". My advice, if your library is targeted, would be to trespass them. Ask them to leave. They won't. So then call the cops. When the cops arrive, tell them you want the "auditor" trespassed. At that point, the "auditor" either leaves or they're in cuffs. They're legally allowed to film, so make it clear to the cops how *the main problem* is: you asked the "auditor" to leave but they refused. The First Amendment doesn't guarantee anyone the right to loiter in a library. Good luck. :)
@999cj.
@999cj. Ай бұрын
Ad at the very end that’s a new one , nice
@willykastilahn
@willykastilahn 11 ай бұрын
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
@Amanda-C.
@Amanda-C. Жыл бұрын
Whoah. Been watching this genre for a while. Not so much the raw stuff and the live streams... more the Audit the Audit style of dispassionate review, informed by research. Most auditor content leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth, one way or another. But I like a channel that does genuinely try to inform on the relevant legal precedent offers practical advice and constructive criticism.
@mordsythe
@mordsythe Жыл бұрын
LOVE Audit the Audit He breaks down the interactions giving credit where it’s due and criticizes when it’s needed. Also points out the laws and cases as proof. More people need to watch his videos
@TheJmccord
@TheJmccord Жыл бұрын
Audit the Audit is a god send
@jaxsom12
@jaxsom12 Жыл бұрын
Love audit the audit for the reasons you mentioned. He is so willing to point out what each sides does right and wrong. Makes it great for learning and seeing both sides
@delbomb3131
@delbomb3131 Жыл бұрын
Even though i understand what and why they're doing it, the entire thing comes off as a high stakes game of "not touching you" and there's NOTHING that will get me to watch it.
@mekeiawatson
@mekeiawatson Жыл бұрын
I like Audit the Audit too. It makes me think and research laws in my state
@TheVegasaur
@TheVegasaur Жыл бұрын
I've been waiting for you to cover this topic for ever
@TheVegasaur
@TheVegasaur Жыл бұрын
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