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Legendary Handmade New York Bagel Recipe and Technique

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Quick Easy and Delicious

Quick Easy and Delicious

Күн бұрын

Below is the original recipe and how to recreate the original union bakery process at home, for anyone that can't live without it or anyone that wants to experience what the real deal is supposed to taste like, and isn't near a real New York Bakery and not in the 20th century
This bagel baking video is my one departure from the "easy quick and delicious" format, because almost all the old post-WW2 European immigrant bakers and their apprentices are gone now, so I feel it necessary to share the the almost lost art of how to make a real handmade New York Bagel. You can bake best bagel in the world if you watch this and make the effort.
Some say it can't be made without New York water, but all the bakeries used tap water, not Artesian well water from the NY mountains. If you have BAD tasting water wherever you are it will matter so use any bottled water, otherwise your bagels will be just fine with whatever water you use.
What matters primarily is the flour mixture, and secondly the process. Both are revealed in step by step detail. An original union-made New York Bagel was only made as a plain bagel, with either salt, sesame seeds or no topping. These days everything and anything with a hole in the middle gets called a bagel. A legit NY bagel is more than just bread with a hole in the middle, its message for life is to NOT focus on the hole, but on the bagel!
Makes 12 90-gram Bagels (*****half recipe made in video*****)
680 grams High Protein (14% Min) Unbleached Flour
14 grams kosher or sea salt
2 grams Instant Yeast
22 grams Diastatic Malt Powder
355 grams Water
6 grams pure vegetable oil
Cold ferment/proof-Do not bulk rise or over proof
Bake at 425-460F for 11-18 min depending on your oven
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@victoriac1010
@victoriac1010 3 ай бұрын
Delightful to have from a former New Yorker! Just wondering why some NY-style recipes suggest that the type of malt that should be used is non-diastatic, rather than diastatic?
@carynorth2000
@carynorth2000 Жыл бұрын
Love this recipe. Always comes out perfect. I added 6 more grams of kosher salt, just my preference.
@johnsprague4914
@johnsprague4914 Жыл бұрын
OH! And thank you for a REAL bagel method and recipe. I can work out a % from it
@quickeasyanddelicious847
@quickeasyanddelicious847 Жыл бұрын
You are so welcome! The same principles apply to Pizza, so many I get taste like dough pie not Pizza. You get it, so by no authority vested in me I hereby bestow upon you an honorary Brooklynite ;-). My rise time vary but are usually about 12 hours around 38 degrees F. I should have added that I put the bagels in to boil after the dough has been out of the refrigerator long enough to rise to 58 degrees Farenheit, and always use a wooden board to rise them on because they never stick to the board.
@johnsprague4914
@johnsprague4914 Жыл бұрын
@@quickeasyanddelicious847 HAHA! That's fantastic! Thank you so much. I am humbled. As an honorary Brooklynite do I get a monthly stabbing/shooting? So, you're last (missing) step is a bench proof/warm them back up for an hour before boiling. Excellent. Do you have an opinion regarding starting with a preferment? I am going to try this on Monday and Tuesday. I have diastatic malt powder, liquid barely malt, a kitchenaid. I have some vital wheat protein and some king art's bread flour. I'm ready.
@quickeasyanddelicious847
@quickeasyanddelicious847 Жыл бұрын
@@johnsprague4914 You get as many as you want, just don't get caught or you won't be eating bagels in jail;-)::: We never did preferment the bagels, always set them up for the next day and then ran out...in NY the race goes to the swift. The Vienna bread dough recipe I recenly posted had a 6 hour preferment and was used for kaiser rolls and a few others, and of course rye bread fermented, but I'm alone and can't eat enough rye bread to keep baking it and keeping the culture alive. Maybe I''ll restart another to post a few rye versions because the bagels and rye were the main use of for hi-protein flour. Anyway I think the NY bagel magic happens during the long cool ferment, the boiling waking up the yeast and encapsulating the dough then restricting the oven spring, setting up the light but dense chew and varied hole size structure, so I wouldn't suggest preferment for the NYC version. I believe Montreal versions were pre-fermented, had some sugar and much shorter rise time, much easier to mass produce quickly. I haven't been there in many years but I remember their bagels being delicious, wood fired and longer boiled crispier crusts, still I'd rather watch Yankees over Expos.
@johnsprague4914
@johnsprague4914 Жыл бұрын
@@quickeasyanddelicious847 Roger that. I am doing this tomorrow. I will skip the preferment and just go with a cold proof. From what I've read the Montreal bagel uses honey in their boiling water as opposed to malt. That would certainly contribute to a flavor difference. I'm going to do a cinnamon raisin, everything and maybe a salt. I have some pretzel salt I plan to use. I think I am going to shoot for a 3.5 oz bagel and see what I get. I really don't know what weights result in what sizes. I have a crap electric oven and I do everything I can do ensure I don't run into temp problems. I think a smaller bagel is safer for me in my oven. I have a pizza stone and some burlap wrapped cedar planks (for salmon) which are unused. I will use them for boards. They's kinda short. 2 bagels per plank.... maybe 3. I will let you know how it goes.
@lowesgohigh2569
@lowesgohigh2569 28 күн бұрын
If you want to add fruit or flavors, etc.. at what point in the process should you do that?
@purpleunicorn9977
@purpleunicorn9977 Жыл бұрын
Thank you. Wonderful classic style. I'm subscribed now. Reminds me of the bagels at Wolfie's in Miami. Loved their pickles too. Maybe you have a good pickle recipe?
@quickeasyanddelicious847
@quickeasyanddelicious847 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, you Rascal! Cheney Bros. sells the flour 50# for $30.
@mdoooo7
@mdoooo7 3 ай бұрын
Couple questions you don't use a Diga / Poolish & when you boil it is it supposed to be barley malt ?
@johnsprague4914
@johnsprague4914 Жыл бұрын
I bake a good bit. Sourdough and some pastry stuff. I have been looking to make bagels and as you suggest, every video I see boasts about being faster "NY style bagels in 30 minutes"... ummm yeah.... from my sourdough experience, you just aren't going to get anything but a flour flavored clot of cooked dough. That's not going to give you any kind of decent flavor but everyone brags bout how fast they can make stuff and how few ingredients they use. I don't understand why those are attractive concepts to people. Here you go, how about a Master's Degree in 2 weeks? You think that's of any value? How about day old wine? yummmmmm!
@rickirizarry5079
@rickirizarry5079 Жыл бұрын
What is the purpose of the small amount of oil?
@johnsprague4914
@johnsprague4914 Жыл бұрын
So, interestingly... your recipe is 52% hydration. Claire Saffitz's recipe is 60% and babbish is 62%. Saffitz hand kneads. Babbish uses a Cuisinart (and ice water???).
@johnsprague4914
@johnsprague4914 Жыл бұрын
So.... 2 problems. First, your video is directions for 6 bagels and all mention of weights and measures in your video are for a batch of dough for 6 bagels. Your written recipe is for 12 bagels. Everything you say regarding amounts, finished weight etc if wildly off as a consequence. It makes the video not just a little confusing but alarming. "Your finished dough should weigh about 540 g".... mine is 1150g. Second, your water measurement is wrong in the written recipe. The dough is much drier than it should be relative to the other recipes I looked at based on a 60 (ish) percent hydration. I made Rose Levy Beranbaum's recipe at the same time I made yours. The hydration of yours is about 8% low. It doesn't look like in your video. I added water until it appeared very similar to hers and what yours looked like in the video. I found my complete lack of skill at shaping (these are my first bagels) made me so slow the dough started to dry out. That was my only big problem. I just wet my hands and wiped the dough with them (not dripping just damp) and that solved the problem. I have them in the fridge now. I have to wait for the other recipe to rise before refrigerating it. I will cook off both tonight after midnight so they will both have approximately 14 hours in the fridge.
@quickeasyanddelicious847
@quickeasyanddelicious847 Жыл бұрын
52% based on King Arthur Sir Lancelot (maybe 2% on weather). Buy a 50# for 1/2 the supermarket price and store in an airtight dog food bin from Chewy for $25. Some distributers have a will call so no shipping cost. Great for rye, pizza, pita, flatbreads too. Sorry for the confusion was one of the first vids, I no longer mention measurements in the vids because being alone I usually make much smaller batches than the recipe just to illustrate. Its all in the technique but worth it. 60%+ is usually commercial softness for the bagel shaping machines.
@johnsprague4914
@johnsprague4914 Жыл бұрын
@@quickeasyanddelicious847 The kind of flour is irrelevant to the hydration % of the dough. Oddly enough, I am using King Art. I have big buckets with resealable lids I store AP flour, Bread flour, White Sugar and Semolina to have on hand in the kitchen all the time. I ended up with 12, 92 g bagels. I will try them at breakfast tomorrow.
@johnsprague4914
@johnsprague4914 Жыл бұрын
@@quickeasyanddelicious847 oh, and my flip top kitchenaid did have a tough time, got hot on top. I gave it a couple of breaks. I made the executive decision to trickle a little water in. Eased up the dough until it looked like yours on the video. 52% is tooo stiff for that machine. Anyone, thank you very much. I enjoy the experience. I will make bagels again. I think I am going to use a poolish and go for a much longer cold rise to see if I can develop more flavor.
@HaloFan117_
@HaloFan117_ 2 ай бұрын
I've seen so many crazy comments on the internet throughout all topics. But this comment is the most unhinged ranting I've read. You coming for hydration levels is madness.
@johnsprague4914
@johnsprague4914 Ай бұрын
@@HaloFan117_ Clearly you don't know enough about baking or bread to comprehend so my comment makes no sense to you or you don't comprehend the import. It's not the comment or its content, the problem is your ignorance or lack of experience.
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