@jackofalldaves agreed.

Precisely. What's the point? The point of most hifi... SELL!!!!

Barry Rodgers - there is a major difference. These guys squeeze the snake extra hard

The difference? For one you pay extra!

It's not difficult. Simple engineering really. Even if they both uses the same components, more filtration = increased reduction of EMI. Could go from 20dB reduction to 40dB reduction within a system depending on the components. Lower is better. Simple as that.

Except each designer uses different level of implementation and quality. Some amps have poor filtering, some don't. You don't know how good your amp is at filtering EMI without trying a high quality power conditioner. If it makes a difference, then clearly your amp isn't quite as well designed as you thought. If the difference is inaudible, then it's a well designed amp. Also EMC standard differ depending on the product class. The standards are not designed around what humans can perceive, but what allows a product to work without fault and/or preventing said product from interfering with others. As long as X amp still works without any faults and/or it doesn't interfere with other electronics enough to cause them to have a fault - it's a pass. This is the bare minimum for EMC mitigation. Power conditioners aim to improve this beyond the bare minimum legal requirements, to the point where said product is performing at maximum performance.

@@campersruincod6134 I build and design my own amplifiers. Common mode choke\capacitor arrangements lack inductance and sufficient capacitance to block RF and lower frequency interference. I produce my own music, so interference is especially important. I usually have common mode chokes tuned at 1Khz, in addition to RF in series: low cost. Interference is particular issue with PWR converters, since sine wave is synthesised from switch mode, RF appearing at output. I still think snake oil is going on but assuming funds not an issue, it's harmless.

@@hoofbags it's definitely not snake oil so as long as it's an actually good power conditioner, say like a Furman Elite or Reference. Is it diminishing returns level of performance gain? Yes. You will hear larger difference from upgrading other parts of your system. It's more for people wanting to optimise the last bit of their system to maximise performance.

well said!!

Tom Faron went right over your head 😹

I saw that too ! :)

😅

He works with Audience so it would be one of these: audience-av.com/conditioners/ You can phone the company to get a recommendation for your system.

Tacima CS947 6 Way

dean setiono - looks like a brand new

I ordered Furman too,I'm too excited to see the differences.So how's yours?

Are there really a noticeable difference especially those 60hz hum?

Is there a difference ? I mean a noticible difference

The difference is tremendous. If you have Furman you see it, if you don't have it you do not see it.

Every amp does but each one varies in implementation and performance.

I think it has to do with weather we pay for music or get it free. Junk in junk out. Remastered doesn't mean anything I/you can put our version out there & call it Remastered. also how old the capacitors in our amplifiers are will cause it to constantly sound different

Can you read ?

@@MrSummitville don't be a prick

@@milesfantastic Don't be a lazy asshole ... READ !

Must have been a bad one.

That was a bad power conditioner.

I love my hair conditionner, it makes my hair smooth without cancelling the dynamics. It is Pantene Pro-V but the one with snake oil.

and none of these reviewers has been able to illustrate the difference in sound quality using a conditioner so from my point of view the reviewers are the trolls.

You want them to illustrate the difference via a KZfaq video? Wow.

Better yet, show amplifier output wave samples with & without the conditioner. Any amplifying system worth it's salt should have a differential input that rejects common-mode noise, like conducted noise in alternating current. Am I wrong?

@@DataWaveTaGo AFAIK a very noisy power supply can sometimes cause audible noise but it has to be REALLY noisy. Otherwise, you're all correct.

@@kacperuminski1547 OK. BTW, I've been designing & building HiFi for 54 years. I have some form of synesthesia that affects my hearing (and more) so I designed & built complete systems & tuned them until they produced a sound I found correct (pleasant if you like).

@@DataWaveTaGo Ok, good for you! How is it relevant to the discussion at hand?

@@DataWaveTaGo Just to clarify, I meant a noisy PS from another device that isn't in the system like a computer.

yes... how about this, everyone that has a garden hose deals with the approximately the same pressure; different brands and types of nozzles; greatly affect the type and how well it dose there are some better than others. I am just saying.

@@stilllooking39 That's a false analogy.

nope@@kacperuminski1547

@@stilllooking39 Yes, it is. The described situation hasn't got anything in common with the topic at hand. That is, by definition, a false analogy.

In Your eyes; or ears as the case may be... I bid you good day sir. @@kacperuminski1547

Mike Thomas placebo?

Mike Thomas factual, imperial, and methodology evidence is far superior than anecdotal proof, “I think my pc is cooler because I see temperature and it’s faster because someone on the internet said so”

Denmire I think you may have missed the sarcasm.

Mike Thomas oops my bad, I guess it wasnt obvious enough for me lol, good bait tho I deserve a wooosh

This was the comment I was looking for on this video. Thanks. :)