Finally someone that take in consideration also cad programs instead of just the editing programs

Let's take a moment to appreciate that Matthew is the only youtuber whom managed to spot the difference in display quality (10 bit vs 8 bit) between the P1 and X1 Extreme..

I think the X1 Extreme is the right answer for most people watching my videos but the P1 has its place too, especially in a corporate environment or if you have to edit 10-bit footage. What would you choose the P1 or X1? Also, when I was talking about GPUs i said the 1050ti had more CUDA cores. It actually has the same amount as the P2000. The 1050ti has higher memory clock speeds. Hit me up on discord if you have any questions! discord.gg/mattmoniz

1:14 You said it yourself, the X1 extreme has the X1 logo on top. Look again

I've been a P1 owner for a few months now. Love almost everything about it, but here are the few things I hope Lenovo will improve in the next version. 1. Screen brightness. It's OK for indoor use but outdoors, even in the shade, it's just not bright enough (I have the 1080p version) 2. Backlit keyboard. Unless you're looking at the keyboard straight down, the light leaking around keys is brighter than the light illuminating the characters. I would prefer to get rid of the light around keys completely. 3. Trackpad size. It would be nice if it was wider. Perhaps the same ratio as the display. I constantly run out of room when arranging the windows. 4. Ethernet cable dongle has it's own special port. Why not just give us another USB or Thunderbolt? 5. Lastly, and it not like anyone else is going this, but it would be nice to have the power port on both sides.. Or the back like on the P72.

ThinkPad is the definition of Pro laptop

you and your nipples hahahaha, great vid again!

Watching this on my X1. Picked up the 4k/HDR model, i7 8750, 8gb of ram all for under 1600 after tax with their black friday sale. Then I spent another 500 on amazon for 32gb Ram and Samsung 970 Pro SSD. Saved a few hundred by doing that. I love this machine! Battery life is meh but I understand why.

Got the P1 with XEON CPU and 64GB Ram for FinTech programming in R. Luckily there was £430 discount while I was filling the basket. Ended up P1 for a price of X1 :)

3:55 I can actually see the difference between 8 bit and 10 bit. 10 bit does visibly display more colour. That alone is a really tempting reason to get the P1 for.

This canadian guy comes outta nowhere and I just keep watching him... Hmmmmm

ECC isn't mandatory whatsoever. Having worked in investment banking for years, I have never had a computer with ECC despite having spreadsheets with calculations over billions of euros or dollars. Actually PCs check their calculations and the results that is stored in memory, results cannot really be wrong. The advantage of ECC is that you save yourself some result checking cycles which is good in big servers but fairly useless on personal workstations.

Hi Mathew, I find everyone speaks about graphic / video & gaming use but no one about music recording windows machines. Only Apple aggressively support the music industry with its Macs. Which one do u think is better for music recording studios? p1 or x1 extreme? Do I even need a Xeon processor with ECC for it?

1:49 Commodore 64 still going? Haha :-), The best.

Nice review thanks, cannot find p1 anywhere now what do you think of the P15.

Great video! Your original review of the X1 Extreme was the last piece that made me finally decide to buy one after considering the X1E for a while. It was well worth the almost 30 day wait for it to ship from Lenovo and I couldn't have been happier with my purchase until about 1 day in, when I decided to add a second SSD and load Linux on the second drive. Turns out the switching between integrated and Nvidia graphics doesn't play nice with Linux unless you boot via discrete graphics mode in the BIOS, install the Nvidia drivers, and you're off and running. Here's where the SH#T HIT THE FAN. Apparently, there's a fatal bug in the BIOS for these machines where if you select discreet graphics, it permanently bricks the BIOS and and Lenovo has been telling folks there is no way to recover other than sending machines in for a new system board. Apparently they have known about it for some time now but have been pretty silent and have not released a temporary BIOS update disabling the feature until they can fix it. If you're looking for an interesting topic to add to any future X1E or P1 updates, this may be one! Sounds like this has been affecting a bunch of people: forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-X-Series-Laptops/Another-X1E-BIOS-brick-Changing-graphic-mode-in-BIOS/m-p/4252501

Do that comparison again for this year models

Actually, the performance comparison of these two cards in professional app like solidworks should take the effect settings into account. With a consumer card, you will not be able to turn full effects on in preview. Even if you can, it would be very slow. The lighting, shadow and textures in solidworks all look horrible on my gtx1080, but look much better even on the previous-gen entry level k series quadro card. So yeah, frame rate is good, but rendering effects are basically non-existent.

The only video that gives profound deep look at the differences between P and X. Excellent job!

I am torn between getting a third generation P1 or a third generation X1 Extreme. What is the better machine for all around software development, WSL Linux and occasionally Adobe Creative Cloud? Both machines have been updated and I feel there is little difference. I like the carbon weave optics of the X1, though, I have to admit.

I’ve received my P1 last week. Almost deck out (4K display / Xeon / P2000 / 32GB ECC RAM / 2TB SSD) except I only choose 2TB*1 SSD instead of *2. I found that the heat management can be a really serious issue. I have updated my BIOS to latest, however last night it stay in CPU throttling for minutes. All I opened were chrome with less than 10 tabs (just website with text; no video stream), task manager, and Intel Extreme Utility (to monitor the status). Seems XTU doesn’t support undervolt for this Xeon CPU. I’ve ordered a laptop cooling pad but I won’t be optimistic. Considering repaste. Also, the fan blade with irregular interval was designed to be quieter, but it was ruined by the dust mesh attached on vent. High pitch when it’s under load (Solidworks / Creo) is so annoying that I can’t even take it to quiet study area in library w/o disturbing others. It’s such a top grade laptop and lightweight mobile workstation. I just don’t know how to fully utilize its potential.

Thanks for the comparison. I've been jumping back and forth between getting the P1 or the X1 (considering the HP Zbook Studio X360 too) for months now. I wanted to point out that you can get the P1 with the same CPU's as the X1, which would drop the price for people who don't need the Xeon CPU. I'm personally fond of the i7-8850h option - which could be had for either laptop - so then the choice would be between the Quadro or the GeForce GPU. As far as pricing goes, good luck with that. Lenovo's prices seem to change by the day, sometimes by the hour. But I did spot my dream P1, outfitted EXACTLY how I wanted it, for $2800 CDN during Lenovo's Black Friday sales. At the time that price was a little bit less than the price of a similarly spec'd X1.

As a workstation laptop I thought the P1 1.gen would be an upgrade from P50. It was NOT. Even my Dell Precision M4600 has the "instant" feel in windows use, but P1 does not. P1 will probably beat older generations in the usual benchmarks, but has this consistant lag, my feeling is this cpu is not able to breathe in this form factor. I'd take the extra weight from the P53 any day

Just found your channel, amazingly detailed reviews and great quality among tech reviewers. New subscriber right here, just wanted to let you know to keep doing what you do my man.

If I am buying a premium application or paying them for support, they better take me seriously.

I just bought a Thinkpad P1 Gen 4 with 1Tb Nvme, RTX A2000, i7 11800H, 4K XRite screen, and it does more than 6000 gb/s for write speed. I use it mainly to edit full feature movies with my Blackmagic 6K Pro footage or from my clients and rely on the XRite color cartification for color correction.. It's both The Beauty and The Beast. And as I´m also a heavy VFX and 3D animattion creator, I went with the P1instead of the X1. I also game and don't have any complains about it.

Turned into NSFW in no time

Great video again Mathew! Interesting comparison, What you recommend at of the two for Visual Studio Enterprise 2019? Thanks

What is the average price for a P1 used and new. I am looking into purchasing one. I appreciate any help. Thank You.

For that price, the X1 should have at least a gtx1060 6GB inside instead of a 1050ti.

I have ordered X1 extreme! Should be getting end of this week. I purchased it for 3D applications and light simulation testing. Will post results once I have it.

3:45 I'm dead haha

How is noise exactly the same. One is in the 50s and the other is 30 something. Idle without heavy tasks done I'm presuming.

Can you do X1 vs XPS 15 ?

Thank you for this awesome review! You are the only one who could really, properly explain what the differences are!! Wish I had stumbled upon it earlier

1:25 actually the X1 logo is on the device that you wrote as it was the P1

Here's the plan - 64GB RAM, 256SSD (upgrade to dual 2TB 970s myself), all options (4K, Smartcard, Ethernet). X1 - $3,127; P1-i7 - $3,329; P1-Xeon - $3,424. Upgrade from X1 to P1 is $200 for 10bit HDR and the P2 4GB. Then another $100 for Xeon. Worth it?

It does not make sense to talk about batteries in terms of mAhrs, since different packs in different computers may have different voltages. It makes more sense to talk about watt-hours (Wh) as that is the amount of energy, which is what you really care about.

P1 vs Precision 5540

the gen2 is out. what to you think about it!

Hello Commander Waterford, currently using The ThinkPad T480 and it seems to get the job done.

Thank you for doing a review of the p1 ! I've been comparing the two!

Did he just started the clip by saying “I did a fantastic video ...”. Lol

Hi Matt Which one would you recommend for running trading apps - charting platforms with live price data etc They are not very heavy but I need to run 2-3 of them simultaneously so need something robust Plus some additional web surfing etc

I just bought the X1 Extreme. I am now thinking if I should replace it for a P1

Thanks man for the review, i really need ones. However i wanna both of it for separated consumption 🤤

Hey mate, i am new in your channel...what do you think about these guys with face off with Toshiba Tecra X50?? Which is Mr. Endurance?? I am a gamer guy but a huge drooler fan of these tough guys!!

Is to much difference between the black paint and the black weave finish? worth it?

I just got my X1E four days ago, the 4k 100% aRGB screen is stunning! Your review video helps a lot! Thanks! By the way, if I would like to install the second SSD, do I have to purchase the same 1TB PM981due to the RAID setting (I don't have $ to buy two 970 pro or evo >

Kudos to you for slipping in a LOT of context that gets lost on buyers that dont deploy hardware for a living. I am actually going to show this vid to a couple clients that think they can shop better than me ;)

My X1 just arrived. So happy. Ticked all my boxes.. 👍👍 Thanks for the review and unboxing. All helped me make up my mind.

I like the way you cover every aspects of the laptop.keep it going.

We have people who use the P1 at work for Solidworks. They're not really happy with it compared to the P53. It's less bulky and lighter but the fans are very loud. Also Solidworks, being a OpenGL application kicks Windows into basic mode and numerous dialogs don't display properly due to scaling issues. So they use an external monitor. The machine is, however an extremely good Adobe truck and is brilliant for publishing and photography.

great video, also probably should mention the significant difference in GPUs though, P series GPU works differently and is better for any 3D/modelling stuff

Great video I have a question. I'm about to purchase the P1. My question is I am a music Producer. CPU is important to me for processing audio. I'm Like the build for sure. I use Reason and Ableton Live as my DAW. I have the MacBook Pro 2013 which is ok but want to switch to Lenovo i7 6core machine because the stability of the machines I remember from my programming days has always been great. Let me know your thoughts, please. here are the specs I'm considering: Processor: 8th Generation Intel® Core™ i7-8850H vPro 6 Core Processor (2.60GHz, up to 4.30GHz with Turbo Boost, 9MB Cache) Operating System: Windows 10 Pro 64 Operating System Language: Windows 10 Pro 64 English Display : 15.6” FHD (1920 x 1080) IPS anti-glare, 300nits Memory : 16 GB DDR4 2666MHz Graphic Card : NVIDIA Quadro P1000 4GB Camera : 720p HD Camera with ThinkShutter and microphone Keyboard : Backlit Keyboard - US English Fingerprint Reader : Fingerprint Reader Security Chip : Hardware dTPM First Hard Drive : 512GB Solid State Drive PCIe-NVMe OPAL2.0 M.2 Total Usable Storage Capacity : 512GB Battery : 4 cell Li-Polymer 80Wh Power Cord : 135W AC Adapter (2pin) WiFi Wireless LAN Adapter : Intel 9560 802.11AC vPro (2 x 2) & Bluetooth 5.0 Ethernet Dongle : Full RJ45 Gigabit Ethernet Extension Adapter vPro Certified Model : vPro Certified Display Shell : 15.6" FHD (1920x1080), IPS, No touch, 2D Camera, Mic, WLAN

At minute 1:24, the specs are placed on wrong laptops. Lol but, the specs are correct!!

Look, I had ordered the X1 Extreme, then I have canceled the order and I got the X1 Carbon instead. The reason is that the Extreme is too heavy, over 1.8 kg, compared to the 1.1 of the Carbon. It's a lot more heavy! Second, the 1050 ti Q-Max sucks, it's way too old and doesn't make any sense in 2019. Moreover these laptops are not meant for gaming: display response time is between 30/40 ms, 60 Hz. You can get a gaming laptop for 1300 pounds with a 1070 and a 1080p 144 Hz display. Another thing that I don't like about the Extreme is that the UHD panel comes with the touchscreen (why? it's not a tablet!). The X1 Carbon is much more portable, it is really like a feather. We usually use one hand to move the laptop from a desk to another one, from the table to the couch, and with my MacBook Pro mid 2015 is hard. It's 2.04 kg, less than 200 g more than the Extreme. Try that with the X1 Carbon and you will notice the difference. 700 grams on our body is nothing, but on a single hand is a lot of weight for a normal person. Every backpacker knows that lowering your base weight is important. You can notice a difference from a 2 kg bag, compared to one of 3 kg. These 700 grams of difference are a lot, especially if you add the weight of the power supply, which is smaller and lighter in case of the X1 Carbon. Another factor to be taken in consideration is that, with mostly the same configuration, you save 500 pounds on the X1 Carbon, which is the price of a (used) 1080 ti, that you can eventually use with Thunderbolt 3 as eGPU if you are a casual gamer. So, to recap I think the X1 Extreme doesn't worth the money. The P1, instead, is a desktop replacement for people using Fusion 360, Solid Works, etc.. The ECC memory is required by Xeon processors, but there is not really any reason to have it on a laptop otherwise. Xeon is a processor normally used in servers. To conclude, P1 may have a sense if you are an engineer or a designer searching for a very portable desktop replacement. In such a case you don't have real alternatives on the market. Between the Extreme and the Carbon, there is no doubt I would go with the Carbon for the reasons explained above.

Nice video Matthew!! I have been drooling at both of them and you really explained the differences. I think that these are some of the best laptops around. Great work!

What's your thought on X1 extreme Gen 2 core i9 vs P1 Gen 2 core i9?

Nice review. Would love to see how the P1 Gen 2 compares now.

X1 also has a touch display and you can use a pen with it, can't do so with P1

If Thinkpad had 4:3 display, they would become Macbook Pro killer.

You know what? I never say this, but you deserve more subs, so I'm subscribing.

watching this on my P1, i love it. I never thought it could continuously run cool and passive like the i5 xps I had before. It does everything.

Correct me if I'm wrong: 1. ThinkPad X1 Extreme is similar if not better then Apple MacBook Pro? 2. It has a dedicated graphics card or has a better integrated card? 3. Is the RAM DDR4 or DDR3?3?

Thanks man, this is what i've been waiting for.

Matthew, thing with Quadro (and FirePro for that matter) is that they use GDDR5 (at the very least) which has ECC (Error Correction Code) for stored frame/scene that is being rendered - therefore it is very unlikely to have artifacts on those GPUs. This is the difference that is required/requested by Quadro users - another thing is 'stability' - You can easily guess that this workload that You have run, is running on under clocked Quadro (possibly same chip or equiv.) just to avoid ANY possible hangs-ups during render. As because it is more important to be sure that system will complete the task, than complete it as fast as possible.

Are you having Fan or noise issues Matthew? Getting mine next week. A little concerned when seeing all the comments on forums about fan issues.

I got the P1 for mostly video editing. 32gb ram, 4k. Updated to a Samsung 970 pro 512 boot (Acronis truimage drive copy), wd blue 2tb secondary. Already had to send it out for repair, 4 days after arrival. The p2000 wasn't working, flagged in device manager. Tried all sorts of driver update methods direct from nvidia, through win update, etc. From the forums, looks like this is an issue with the hardware. Going to give it one more chance after it comes back, because it's a sweet laptop. Also, I was only seeing 3 hours battery life max, usually around 2 hours with no apps running. Screen turned all the way down, keyboard lights off and battery mode setting turned all the way down in battery saver settings. It has the 4k screen, but still was hoping a little more than that. But, it's still better than my previous msi ws60 xeon laptop that barely gets over an hour.

Which one you think is best for heavy photo editing ? Lots of lightroom and lots of 4k video editing on premiere? I was thinking of going with the P1

I can't decide which model has a better 4k sensor of beautiful colors, sharpness...? and in which sSDs settle a larger speed write, read ? P1 or X1 Extreme?

(Sorry my bad english) Quadro and Xeon.. its all about Stability.. not Speed.. Try It.. Geforce can run CAD program even faster on some condition.. But if you run heavy processing.. all your system will busy and make your computer heavy.. but with quadro and xeon it just light if you run 2 or more different works... speed just depend on your series..

Great video...Always clean,neat and compact review...Keep up the good work...

I get it but will those 3D modelling software work on X1 extreme smoothly ?

Great review! The X1 or P1 for Linux (mostly Debian and Red Hat) and virtualization? Bought the X1 2 gen today, but now I´m kind of regretting not buying the P1 instead....

Hi Matthew, I like your videos of the Lenovo P1 and the X1 Extreme. It seems you are one of the few people who has tested both so which one would be better useful for photo editors who use Photoshop and Lightroom?

Great video ! Could you please review the MSI PS42 laptop? Thank you !

Hey Matthew, loving your videos! Did you experience any high-pitched whine on the fans of either of these computers? It seems like it's a well-documented issue. In fact, my i5 X1 extreme is slowly driving my crazy with the jet turbine-like whine whenever the fan powers on. Have you a solution for this kind of issue? I'm planning on contacting lenovo to see if they can either replace the fan or the computer itself.

I need to something about the mouse use, what’s the difference with using the mouse for the laptop against a average office mouse use

I'm a cyber security researcher need to work on firmware/kernel dev, signal processing which uses dsp cores, virtualization multiple VMs at the same time.. What would you recommend P1 or X1 extreme?

Been waiting for this, thanks g

A very nice comparison. It would be a great if you mention the price differences as well.

I got an refurb X1 Extreme Gen 2 off ebay. I'm very impressed by it.

Which is best out of P1 and X1 for music production?

The screens are different sir. The x1 xtreme has very glossy screen, the P1 has an IPS, The speakers are actually quite nice compared with a lot of laptops in its class. Both can play games, just a little bit faster frame rates on the X1, actually not enough to make a huge difference. The 8850 is a good processor. I only have the P1000, but I am only a casual gamer so it is fine, with respectable frame rates and runs smoothly enough , not the tastest on video editing but fast enough. and unless you are a hard core gamer, then you should be looking elsewhere anyway I type and travel a lot, so it is find for me, and the price now in 2023 is a great value when looking at all these machines have to offer all the way around.

I view this on my iPhone, so is this mean my iPhone screen is 10 bit too because it able to show that extra colors of that 10 but screen on my phone screen?

if I'm not mistaken the Xeon CPU also utilizes ECC RAM so more stability in your data your working on.

Thanks Matthew for your video. About display, if I serious on color accuracy and high performance on photo editing.... I should go to P1 with 10-bit, right? If I compare among P1, X1 extreme and Macbook pro 15", which one should I go?

may I know which of them can set the dedicated video card as output source (disable integrated card)? Integrated card is hard to always keep fluent in 4K when you open too many applications in same time like windows switch animation and Task View, I'm using P51 and disabled integrated card in BIOS, that's pretty better than before

Enjoying this video on my freshly received X1 / i7-8850H / 1 TB with a whopping 64GB of RAM. The 35% rebate during Black Friday weekend was just making it impossible to skip on getting the most RAM. One day I'll add another faster SSD to the second slot. I must say, I was tempted by the P1, but couldn't get the 35% on it. Also, I didn't notice the difference between the screens until you mentioned it. The X1 has an HDR ( but it's still technically 8bit that the users sees) while the P1 has true 10bit ) it's a shame that I didn't spot that, but to be honest, it should affect me, but now I'm thinking again 🤪 (it'll pass) Thanks for the nice side by side review

Bro i love you for mentioning solidworks, alot of these KZfaqrs have no idea of solidworks

Hey Mathew, can you review few good Bluetooth wireless earbuds. Are there good ones coming in 2019?

Matthew (or anyone else!), as someone who spends a *serious* amount of time writing/typing and travelling I've been looking at either a ThinkPad X1 Carbon, X1 Extreme, P1, or waiting until the end of the year and a likely Surface Book 3 release. What would you recommend of the four for someone who needs a comfortable typing experience, a good productivity workhorse, rugged reliability, as well as the ability to game on the go - think single player games: DOOM, Witcher 3, Resi-Evil 2, etc. I like the idea of the Surface Book as being a traveller I'll have several devices in one, but I'm very attracted to the current ThinkPad lineup, any ideas?

"A few weeks ago I did a fantastic review on..." You're really like yourself, aren't you?

I'm an attorney and cyber security manager...which would should I get?

I am trying to decide between getting the Thinkpad X1 Extreme or the P1. I am a video professional who does a lot of 360 stuff. I do most of my editing in Premiere Pro. I'm currently using the Insta360 Pro camera to shoot my 360 videos. (May or may not be familiar) Insta360 says the the lowest graphic specs need to do the stitching is a GTX1050ti. I am wondering if the X1 Extreme would be sufficient or do I need to go with the P1? Currently editing on a 2011 top of the line Macbook Pro and It takes hours upon hours to stitch footage. Thanks

Pretty sure you could edit 10 bit footage on any environment you choose. Can use either temporal or spatial dithering to approximate 10 bit on an 8 bit panel (1080 on a 4k panel or 30fps on a 120hz panel etc)

I have Heckler & Koch P7 it good to say the least

P1 > X1

Going with the P1 Xeon professor the only thing I don’t know is whether I should get the 4K or the 1080p which is better?